HERO WITH HANDGUN Police praise armed 'good Samaritan' who neutralized gunman during deadly rampage at mall
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This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.
This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.
So you'd rather have your name associated with "the guy who had gun but hid in the closet waiting for the shooting to stop"?
Before reading your post I've always took for granted that those having the desire to walk around with guns were not afraid to use them.
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Arming everyone isn't a solution.
This is what they want, right? Have the "good guys" and "bad guys" shooting it out in malls, on the streets, in schools, like the old west.
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So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.
EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?
If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard.
Yes it's bad on many levels, that our government can't come up with a solution to combat violence.
That ordinary people becoming the "hero" and becoming another shooter in an already fucked up situation
That we as Americans have to worry about getting shot at churches, schools, malls, pretty much anywhere
That a bunch of armed cops standing around in a hallway of a school while a gunman kills students
Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander.
If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard.
Yes it's bad on many levels, that our government can't come up with a solution to combat violence.
That ordinary people becoming the "hero" and becoming another shooter in an already fucked up situation
That we as Americans have to worry about getting shot at churches, schools, malls, pretty much anywhere
That a bunch of armed cops standing around in a hallway of a school while a gunman kills students
Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander.
You're more worried about the hero possibly shooting a bystander over the certainty of the gunman killing more people. That is your example of this incident "going sideways"? Dear Lord.
True, police can't stop the gunman but only because in most cases damage has been done before they can arrive on the scene.
So yes, it's up to you. Don't act as though Ulvave is the norm to support your position.
Thirdly, and most importantly, it is not the job of the police to protect you or anyone.
The US Supreme Court has made it clear that law enforcement agencies are not required to provide protection to the citizens who are forced to pay the police for their "services."
You want to talk about lawsuits. Law enforcement agencies cannot be on the hook for every violent act committed by private citizens.
The police motto "To Serve and Protect" is a misnomer. They are not constitutionally obligated to do so.
So again, it's up to you if you have a gun.
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If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard.
Yes it's bad on many levels, that our government can't come up with a solution to combat violence.
That ordinary people becoming the "hero" and becoming another shooter in an already fucked up situation
That we as Americans have to worry about getting shot at churches, schools, malls, pretty much anywhere
That a bunch of armed cops standing around in a hallway of a school while a gunman kills students
Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander.
You're more worried about the hero possibly shooting a bystander over the certainty of the gunman killing more people. That is your example of this incident "going sideways"? Dear Lord.
True, police can't stop the gunman but only because in most cases damage has been done before they can arrive on the scene.
So yes, it's up to you. Don't act as though Ulvave is the norm to support your position.
Thirdly, and most importantly, it is not the job of the police to protect you or anyone.
The US Supreme Court has made it clear that law enforcement agencies are not required to provide protection to the citizens who are forced to pay the police for their "services."
You want to talk about lawsuits. Law enforcement agencies cannot be on the hook for every violent act committed by private citizens.
The police motto "To Serve and Protect" is a misnomer. They are not constitutionally obligated to do so.
So again, it's up to you if you have a gun.
You're more worried about the hero possibly shooting a bystander over the certainty of the gunman killing more people. That is your example of this incident "going sideways"? Dear Lord.
True, police can't stop the gunman but only because in most cases damage has been done before they can arrive on the scene. So yes, it's up to you. Don't act as though Ulvave is the norm to support your position.
Uvalde is one rare case out of hundreds that went horribly wrong.
This the Indiana case is one very rare case of the private citizen taking down a well armed killer.
Let's leave it at that, it ended quickly here.
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This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.
So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.
EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?
So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.
EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?
That's the Progressive counter terrorism training.?
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You're more worried about the hero possibly shooting a bystander over the certainty of the gunman killing more people. That is your example of this incident "going sideways"? Dear Lord.
True, police can't stop the gunman but only because in most cases damage has been done before they can arrive on the scene. So yes, it's up to you. Don't act as though Ulvave is the norm to support your position.
Uvalde is one rare case out of hundreds that went horribly wrong.
This the Indiana case is one very rare case of the private citizen taking down a well armed killer.
Let's leave it at that, it ended quickly here.
Uvalde is one rare case out of hundreds that went horribly wrong.
This the Indiana case is one very rare case of the private citizen taking down a well armed killer.
Let's leave it at that, it ended quickly here.
Yes, he only murdered three people...
Mission Accomplished
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.
EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?
If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard.
Yes it's bad on many levels, that our government can't come up with a solution to combat violence.
That ordinary people becoming the "hero" and becoming another shooter in an already fucked up situation
That we as Americans have to worry about getting shot at churches, schools, malls, pretty much anywhere
That a bunch of armed cops standing around in a hallway of a school while a gunman kills students
Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander.
If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard.
Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander.
The hero had been trained from an early age. You can bet he knew what he was doing and he definitely saw this guy killing people with him as the only known person standing a chance to stop it from continuing. He shot from a pretty long distance initially as he put people running away behind him including his girlfriend whom he shoved down behind cover. To effectively take down a shooter at that range tells me his skills were well trained and kept up which is what anyone with a CC or LTC should be doing regularly on a range.
Here's the real questions for you. If you carry do you keep up your skills? Given the situation that there were in fact many people directly in front of the shooter, would you have stayed and tried to put down effective fire being very careful to be sure your well train ability would not hit an innocent person?
From the article below: "I will say his actions were nothing short of heroic," Ison said. "He engaged the gunman from quite a distance with a handgun, was very proficient in that, very tactically sound, and as he moved to close in on the suspect he was also motioning for people to exit behind him."
From another: "Many people would have died last night if not for a responsible armed citizen that took action very quickly within the first two minutes of this shooting."
Police said Eli learned to shoot from his grandfather and that he had no military or police training.
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So if you are in a position to shoot an asshole who is killing people all around you, then you will just take care of yourself and everyone else can just die. You're right. That is just bad on so many levels.
EDIT: BTW who the fuck trained you to that?
That's the Progressive counter terrorism training.?
That's the Progressive counter terrorism training.?
For some reason I suspect you are not talking about the Rough Riders training of Progressive Party leader Theodore Roosevelt.?
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That's the Progressive counter terrorism training.?
For some reason I suspect you are not talking about the Rough Riders training of Progressive Party leader Theodore Roosevelt.?
For some reason I suspect you are not talking about the Rough Riders training of Progressive Party leader Theodore Roosevelt.?
I think he may be more talking about the new Progressive Party which are known as the Rump Riders. Might be Eleanor not Teddy.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
For some reason I suspect you are not talking about the Rough Riders training of Progressive Party leader Theodore Roosevelt.?
I think he may be more talking about the new Progressive Party which are known as the Rump Riders. Might be Eleanor not Teddy.
WSS
I think he may be more talking about the new Progressive Party which are known as the Rump Riders. Might be Eleanor not Teddy.
WSS
I’m positive they wear man buns.
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For some reason I suspect you are not talking about the Rough Riders training of Progressive Party leader Theodore Roosevelt.?
I think he may be more talking about the new Progressive Party which are known as the Rump Riders. Might be Eleanor not Teddy.
WSS
I think he may be more talking about the new Progressive Party which are known as the Rump Riders. Might be Eleanor not Teddy.
WSS
LOL LOL
I asked my CCW training friend about this - he said that in a mall, a lot of people - that is a far more serious situation.
Without a clear, safe shot, you don't shoot. I still want to get more training - but hiding and letting a lot of other people get murdered because it's only about you....when you have your CCW.....
can't buy that one.
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If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard.
Yes it's bad on many levels, that our government can't come up with a solution to combat violence.
That ordinary people becoming the "hero" and becoming another shooter in an already fucked up situation
That we as Americans have to worry about getting shot at churches, schools, malls, pretty much anywhere
That a bunch of armed cops standing around in a hallway of a school while a gunman kills students
Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander.
You're more worried about the hero possibly shooting a bystander over the certainty of the gunman killing more people. That is your example of this incident "going sideways"? Dear Lord.
True, police can't stop the gunman but only because in most cases damage has been done before they can arrive on the scene.
So yes, it's up to you. Don't act as though Ulvave is the norm to support your position.
Thirdly, and most importantly, it is not the job of the police to protect you or anyone.
The US Supreme Court has made it clear that law enforcement agencies are not required to provide protection to the citizens who are forced to pay the police for their "services."
You want to talk about lawsuits. Law enforcement agencies cannot be on the hook for every violent act committed by private citizens.
The police motto "To Serve and Protect" is a misnomer. They are not constitutionally obligated to do so.
So again, it's up to you if you have a gun.
True, police can't stop the gunman
it is not the job of the police to protect you or anyone.
So defund the police , right? There is a drug epidemic where I live. People dying from overdoses so fast that they need freezer trucks for all the dead bodies. So what else are they good for except boosting the cities coffers with my hard earned money? Instead of paying the police, use that money to fix our damn streets that have been full of pot holes for the past 50 years so I speed like a demon in my 500+ HP car that I worked hard for.
desire to walk around with guns were not afraid to use them.
Who said I was afraid to use it? If I'm not directly in danger, it's my discretion. If you come in my house uninvited, you're leaving in a body bag.?
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This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.
So you'd rather have your name associated with "the guy who had gun but hid in the closet waiting for the shooting to stop"?
Before reading your post I've always took for granted that those having the desire to walk around with guns were not afraid to use them.
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If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard.
Yes it's bad on many levels, that our government can't come up with a solution to combat violence.
That ordinary people becoming the "hero" and becoming another shooter in an already fucked up situation
That we as Americans have to worry about getting shot at churches, schools, malls, pretty much anywhere
That a bunch of armed cops standing around in a hallway of a school while a gunman kills students
Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander.
You're more worried about the hero possibly shooting a bystander over the certainty of the gunman killing more people. That is your example of this incident "going sideways"? Dear Lord.
True, police can't stop the gunman but only because in most cases damage has been done before they can arrive on the scene.
So yes, it's up to you. Don't act as though Ulvave is the norm to support your position.
Thirdly, and most importantly, it is not the job of the police to protect you or anyone.
The US Supreme Court has made it clear that law enforcement agencies are not required to provide protection to the citizens who are forced to pay the police for their "services."
You want to talk about lawsuits. Law enforcement agencies cannot be on the hook for every violent act committed by private citizens.
The police motto "To Serve and Protect" is a misnomer. They are not constitutionally obligated to do so.
So again, it's up to you if you have a gun.
That is your example of this incident "going sideways"? Dear Lord.
This could have gone bad in more ways than just hitting a child or another bystander. Hero shoots gunman, hero #2 hears gunfire and doesn't see hero #1 shoot the suspect and sees hero#1 with a gun and shoots him in the back. I'm sorry, but I'm just not going to get in a gunfight at a mall unless it is absolutely the last resort.
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Yes, he only murdered three people...
Mission Accomplished i
Sadly 3 funerals < 10 funerals < 20 funerals.
I'm still shocked that he got his got his CCW pistol shots off and on target. He must have had a first shot on target......NOT an easy thing for a non trained private citizen. I used to target practice against a 55 gallon drum in my backyard and NOT got every shot exactly on target. And nobody was shooting back.
IF HE MISSED the killer would have cut him up to pieces.
Mission accomplished indeed. Whew !
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Yes, he only murdered three people...
Mission Accomplished i
Sadly 3 funerals < 10 funerals < 20 funerals.
I'm still shocked that he got his got his CCW pistol shots off and on target. He must have had a first shot on target......NOT an easy thing for a non trained private citizen. I used to target practice against a 55 gallon drum in my backyard and NOT got every shot exactly on target. And nobody was shooting back.
IF HE MISSED the killer would have cut him up to pieces.
Mission accomplished indeed. Whew !
Sadly 3 funerals < 10 funerals < 20 funerals.
I'm still shocked that he got his got his CCW pistol shots off and on target. He must have had a first shot on target......NOT an easy thing for a non trained private citizen. I used to target practice against a 55 gallon drum in my backyard and NOT got every shot exactly on target. And nobody was shooting back.
IF HE MISSED the killer would have cut him up to pieces.
Mission accomplished indeed. Whew !
They should absolutely require training for a CCW.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Sadly 3 funerals < 10 funerals < 20 funerals.
I'm still shocked that he got his got his CCW pistol shots off and on target. He must have had a first shot on target......NOT an easy thing for a non trained private citizen. I used to target practice against a 55 gallon drum in my backyard and NOT got every shot exactly on target. And nobody was shooting back.
IF HE MISSED the killer would have cut him up to pieces.
Mission accomplished indeed. Whew !
They should absolutely require training for a CCW.
WSS
They should absolutely require training for a CCW.
WSS
Sounds like you hate freedom
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They should absolutely require training for a CCW.
WSS
Sounds like you hate freedom
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Can't really tell, I've never experienced it.
???
WSS
That's not true. You play PIB. That's pure, unfiltered American freedom
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That is your example of this incident "going sideways"? Dear Lord.
This could have gone bad in more ways than just hitting a child or another bystander. Hero shoots gunman, hero #2 hears gunfire and doesn't see hero #1 shoot the suspect and sees hero#1 with a gun and shoots him in the back. I'm sorry, but I'm just not going to get in a gunfight at a mall unless it is absolutely the last resort.
This could have gone bad in more ways than just hitting a child or another bystander. Hero shoots gunman, hero #2 hears gunfire and doesn't see hero #1 shoot the suspect and sees hero#1 with a gun and shoots him in the back. I'm sorry, but I'm just not going to get in a gunfight at a mall unless it is absolutely the last resort.
You're just digging a deeper hole to hide in. People were running away from the original shooter and past the guy trying to kill him. The chances of someone trying to kill the shooter getting shot by another when he is actively signalling people to go around behind him are just about nil. Trade in your man card for a wimp card.
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