HERO WITH HANDGUN Police praise armed 'good Samaritan' who neutralized gunman during deadly rampage at mall
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They should absolutely require training for a CCW.
WSS
I was totally disgusted when the Texas legislature did away with the required CCL and it's successor the LTC. Now any damn fool watching cowboy movies can sling on a .45 and go blasting away with no training whatsoever nor proof of proficiency with the weapon they carry. That to me was a totally irresponsible change in the law and very dangerous in my opinion. I keep mine in force so I can carry when I go hiking the back country of Colorado like I did with my grandkid and grandniece just this morning. Didn't want no mad mama bears or cougars trying to snack on one of us for brunch to protect their young.
I was totally disgusted when the Texas legislature did away with the required CCL and it's successor the LTC. Now any damn fool watching cowboy movies can sling on a .45 and go blasting away with no training whatsoever nor proof of proficiency with the weapon they carry. That to me was a totally irresponsible change in the law and very dangerous in my opinion. I keep mine in force so I can carry when I go hiking the back country of Colorado like I did with my grandkid and grandniece just this morning. Didn't want no mad mama bears or cougars trying to snack on one of us for brunch to protect their young.
Ohio has had constitutional carry since June 13th. No gun battles in the super markets or on the streets yet since they have. ?
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They should absolutely require training for a CCW.
WSS
I was totally disgusted when the Texas legislature did away with the required CCL and it's successor the LTC. Now any damn fool watching cowboy movies can sling on a .45 and go blasting away with no training whatsoever nor proof of proficiency with the weapon they carry. That to me was a totally irresponsible change in the law and very dangerous in my opinion. I keep mine in force so I can carry when I go hiking the back country of Colorado like I did with my grandkid and grandniece just this morning. Didn't want no mad mama bears or cougars trying to snack on one of us for brunch to protect their young.
I keep mine in force so I can carry when I go hiking the back country of Colorado like I did with my grandkid and grandniece just this morning.
You need a concealed carry to bring a weapon in the back country of Colorado?
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Sadly 3 funerals < 10 funerals < 20 funerals.
I'm still shocked that he got his got his CCW pistol shots off and on target. He must have had a first shot on target......NOT an easy thing for a non trained private citizen. I used to target practice against a 55 gallon drum in my backyard and NOT got every shot exactly on target. And nobody was shooting back.
IF HE MISSED the killer would have cut him up to pieces.
Mission accomplished indeed. Whew !
They should absolutely require training for a CCW.
WSS
They should absolutely require training for a CCW.
WSS
I'm all for and feel so much better knowing that people who carry a loaded deadly weapon have a license. Having classroom and live shooting practice before getting a license to carry just makes sense.
BUT now in many states that is reduced to ZERO training. My nightmare scenario.
Guy goes from payday ---> gun store ---> night on the town ---> playing Dirty Harry. OK jerk, make my day !
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I keep mine in force so I can carry when I go hiking the back country of Colorado like I did with my grandkid and grandniece just this morning.
You need a concealed carry to bring a weapon in the back country of Colorado?
You need a concealed carry to bring a weapon in the back country of Colorado?
An LTC open carry is now allowed as of this year, but before that it was a CC state only and reciprocity with my LTC state made it CC only.
You act like you live in a movie where this will play out exactly the same every time. It was a miracle nobody else got hurt and he was able to kill the guy limiting the damage. I would not be proud of having to kill a maniac with a gun because our country is too fucked up to deal with the actual problem. I would tell them to not release my name.
You must not be very confident about your shooting skills. I am because I practice with it regularly and know the distances I can shoot effectively. I have also had to return fire (in a war) when others were shooting at me, so I know I can still be effective when under fire. No movie, just lessons from real life. I would have taken the guy on as well, but that's just how I'm made and was trained by my WW II small arms training expert father from a very early age on. And this is a stand your ground state where if you know what you are doing and can stop something immediately, you get no repercussions for doing so.
And the miracle here is really that there was someone there who could do exactly what he did and saved far more lives than he ever put at risk. There are a lot of grateful families in Indiana not having to go what those in other mass shootings are still going through years after the events. And if you are ever in such a situation, I hope you change your tune.
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This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.
This is bad on so many levels, I would not want my name to be associated with this. I would do what I was trained to do. Find a place to hide, lock the door, and call the police and wait for the shooting to stop. Only use my weapon if my life is at risk.
Neo, if there is a gunman letting loose in the same room you are, you wouldn't consider your life at risk?
What a low bar we've set where some are happy/content with an outcome where 4 people are dead and 2 more injured...
Arming everyone isn't a solution. It's hardly a bandaid.
Woody, you were pissed off about the response time in Uvalde. If you wait for the police response in this situation, then you are looking at a death toll in the double digits. The government cannot protect you from everything and everyone who is violent. Everyone ought to play a role in their personal safety instead of leaving it up to the people who are 15x more likely to beat their wives. Arming more people in the US is a more realistic solution than enacting what they did in Europe/Australia/NZ. You want our government to have much more severe, draconian overreach, and you're upset that people are happy that this good Samaritan saved lives. You can be both angry at the shooter and happy for the good Samaritan.
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it's complicated, you betcha. It depends on the situation.
In a crowded movie theater, run and hide - it would be impossible, probably to shoot amidst all the moving, to not shoot an innocent person - ricochet shots can kill and are irresponsible. In a mall - you might be cornered, can't really hide, a lone shooter is shooting people - no choice - take out the murderer.
It should be said that if a shooter is just then on the scene - the police haven't arrived - that is one thing.
If police are on the scene, or could be - they don't know if you are the murderer, or a good guy with a gun - you MUST take that into consideration.
If, anywhere I can carry - my job is to protect my Wife and I etc, - that's it. Electing to draw and shoot a murderer comes secondary - way secondary.
Too many "ifs" ....there could be a murderer right where you are running to, also - there could be more than one.
Best bet is situational awareness and situational avoidance if at all possible. I honestly believe nobody carries to try to be a hero because it would be "cool".
That is why training to know when to avoid confrontation etc, is just extremely important. Just my two cents.
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All of what cal said is true -and- takes training and practice, practice, practice.
You don't go to a gun store and become good with a gun. Not even close.
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You need a concealed carry to bring a weapon in the back country of Colorado?
An LTC open carry is now allowed as of this year, but before that it was a CC state only and reciprocity with my LTC state made it CC only.
You act like you live in a movie where this will play out exactly the same every time. It was a miracle nobody else got hurt and he was able to kill the guy limiting the damage. I would not be proud of having to kill a maniac with a gun because our country is too fucked up to deal with the actual problem. I would tell them to not release my name.
You must not be very confident about your shooting skills. I am because I practice with it regularly and know the distances I can shoot effectively. I have also had to return fire (in a war) when others were shooting at me, so I know I can still be effective when under fire. No movie, just lessons from real life. I would have taken the guy on as well, but that's just how I'm made and was trained by my WW II small arms training expert father from a very early age on. And this is a stand your ground state where if you know what you are doing and can stop something immediately, you get no repercussions for doing so.
And the miracle here is really that there was someone there who could do exactly what he did and saved far more lives than he ever put at risk. There are a lot of grateful families in Indiana not having to go what those in other mass shootings are still going through years after the events. And if you are ever in such a situation, I hope you change your tune.
You must not be very confident about your shooting skills. I am because I practice with it regularly and know the distances I can shoot effectively.
What the fuck does my ability to shoot have to do with engaging a target "at distance" in a mall? ? It still hasn't set in it's not about how good you are, it's about making smart decisions with a gun. It worked out for this guy, good for him, I'm glad for the people he saved. I don't know what he saw, maybe he had a window of opportunity or maybe he just pointed in the guy's general direction and started squeezing. Where are we as a country that we can't even agree that somebody playing hero with a gun is really really not a good thing. It's actually quite embarrassing that we have a police force and we can't rely on them for anything.
I am because I practice with it regularly
Wow good for you, because I can't afford to go to the range regularly and practice. What do you want a medal?
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If the guy isn't standing directly in front of me pointing his gun at me or somebody else then I'm not going to hunt him down, it's not my fucking job. I'm not John McClane fucking Die Hard.
Now it's up to me to stop an armed gunman because the police can't? If he is not a direct threat to me or someone around me, I'm not getting involved. And who knows in this age potentially opening up the door to a lawsuit. This was pure luck and nothing else that this didn't go another direction, the "hero" could have accidentally killed a bystander.
The hero had been trained from an early age. You can bet he knew what he was doing and he definitely saw this guy killing people with him as the only known person standing a chance to stop it from continuing. He shot from a pretty long distance initially as he put people running away behind him including his girlfriend whom he shoved down behind cover. To effectively take down a shooter at that range tells me his skills were well trained and kept up which is what anyone with a CC or LTC should be doing regularly on a range.
Here's the real questions for you. If you carry do you keep up your skills? Given the situation that there were in fact many people directly in front of the shooter, would you have stayed and tried to put down effective fire being very careful to be sure your well train ability would not hit an innocent person?
From the article below: "I will say his actions were nothing short of heroic," Ison said. "He engaged the gunman from quite a distance with a handgun, was very proficient in that, very tactically sound, and as he moved to close in on the suspect he was also motioning for people to exit behind him."
From another: "Many people would have died last night if not for a responsible armed citizen that took action very quickly within the first two minutes of this shooting."
Police said Eli learned to shoot from his grandfather and that he had no military or police training.
Here's the real questions for you. If you carry do you keep up your skills
1st time back at the range today in almost a year and a half maybe longer. Hands shaking firing as fast as I can with the target as far back as it goes. 1911 Commander 45. I think I'll fuckin manage.
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You need a concealed carry to bring a weapon in the back country of Colorado?
An LTC open carry is now allowed as of this year, but before that it was a CC state only and reciprocity with my LTC state made it CC only.
You act like you live in a movie where this will play out exactly the same every time. It was a miracle nobody else got hurt and he was able to kill the guy limiting the damage. I would not be proud of having to kill a maniac with a gun because our country is too fucked up to deal with the actual problem. I would tell them to not release my name.
You must not be very confident about your shooting skills. I am because I practice with it regularly and know the distances I can shoot effectively. I have also had to return fire (in a war) when others were shooting at me, so I know I can still be effective when under fire. No movie, just lessons from real life. I would have taken the guy on as well, but that's just how I'm made and was trained by my WW II small arms training expert father from a very early age on. And this is a stand your ground state where if you know what you are doing and can stop something immediately, you get no repercussions for doing so.
And the miracle here is really that there was someone there who could do exactly what he did and saved far more lives than he ever put at risk. There are a lot of grateful families in Indiana not having to go what those in other mass shootings are still going through years after the events. And if you are ever in such a situation, I hope you change your tune.
You must not be very confident about your shooting skills. I am because I practice with it regularly and know the distances I can shoot effectively
Same deal same distance with my glock 43. I only bought 2 targets. I am MUCH better than this.
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You're fucking dickhead NEO.
You're fucking dickhead NEO.
You'd probably shoot yourself with your own gun ??
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You're fucking dickhead NEO.
You'd probably shoot yourself with your own gun ??
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Nah, I've spent over 20 years in the military and in combat, unlike your pussy lying ass.
"I spent 20 years in the military" blahah blah. Fucking pussy. I bet one punch would drop you like a sack of shit.
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Nah, I've spent over 20 years in the military and in combat, unlike your pussy lying ass.
"I spent 20 years in the military" blahah blah. Fucking pussy. I bet one punch would drop you like a sack of shit.
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All talk, but really just a c u n t.
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