Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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Well hold on…I’ve heard “for now” by every talking head with an agenda.The NFL has three days to start the appeal process, if they want to, correct?
The NFL has three days to start the appeal process, if they want to, correct?
Correct.
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It is important to let this play out.
Things to note:
The owners are not subject to the CBA which this falls under.
The gambler is not subject to the Personal Conduct Policy which this falls under.
The PED user is not subject to the Personal Conduct Policy which this falls under.
The ball deflator is not subject to the Person Conduct Policy which this falls under.
All those comparisons are not applicable in this instance.
However, all of those comparisons are applicable in the court of public opinion.
The MOST notable legitimate comparisons are Big Ben (1 accusation - 6 games) and Zeke Elliot (1 accusation - 6 games)
Sue Robinson's quote "Egregious misconduct"
I think this will be upped by 2-6 games and he will be fined and he will be required to attend counseling (which he should do regardless).
The NFL won't want to look weak, but will not want this drawn out all season again. So they won't go for the full season, but they will increase it. But not by so much as to draw appeals from the NFLPA.
8-12 games.
IMHO
It is important to let this play out.
Things to note:
The owners are not subject to the CBA which this falls under.
The gambler is not subject to the Personal Conduct Policy which this falls under.
The PED user is not subject to the Personal Conduct Policy which this falls under.
The ball deflator is not subject to the Person Conduct Policy which this falls under.
All those comparisons are not applicable in this instance.
However, all of those comparisons are applicable in the court of public opinion.
The MOST notable legitimate comparisons are Big Ben (1 accusation - 6 games) and Zeke Elliot (1 accusation - 6 games)
Sue Robinson's quote "Egregious misconduct"
I think this will be upped by 2-6 games and he will be fined and he will be required to attend counseling (which he should do regardless).
The NFL won't want to look weak, but will not want this drawn out all season again. So they won't go for the full season, but they will increase it. But not by so much as to draw appeals from the NFLPA.
8-12 games.
IMHO
I see your points, but I respectfully disagree. The NFL "may" try to lengthen the suspension to appease certain women's groups that would want nothing less than a lifetime ban and castration.
BUT.. as Ms. Arbitrator wrote in her opinion, the Personal conduct policy agreed on in the player's contract says 6 game max for a violation. You can't change the rules retroactively. Take it to the bank if Goodell and the NFL TRY to add more games, the NFLPA is going to raise an unprecedented holy stink about it. It could drag out in Federal courts for months.
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It is important to let this play out.
Things to note:
The owners are not subject to the CBA which this falls under.
The gambler is not subject to the Personal Conduct Policy which this falls under.
The PED user is not subject to the Personal Conduct Policy which this falls under.
The ball deflator is not subject to the Person Conduct Policy which this falls under.
All those comparisons are not applicable in this instance.
However, all of those comparisons are applicable in the court of public opinion.
The MOST notable legitimate comparisons are Big Ben (1 accusation - 6 games) and Zeke Elliot (1 accusation - 6 games)
Sue Robinson's quote "Egregious misconduct"
I think this will be upped by 2-6 games and he will be fined and he will be required to attend counseling (which he should do regardless).
The NFL won't want to look weak, but will not want this drawn out all season again. So they won't go for the full season, but they will increase it. But not by so much as to draw appeals from the NFLPA.
8-12 games.
IMHO
The NFL won't want to look weak, but will not want this drawn out all season again. So they won't go for the full season, but they will increase it. But not by so much as to draw appeals from the NFLPA.
8-12 games.
If I were an owner, and Roger GoToHell disregarded what Sue Robinson had ruled and upped the penalty, I'd have to ask, "Then what the hell are we paying Robinson for!?"
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The NFL won't want to look weak, but will not want this drawn out all season again. So they won't go for the full season, but they will increase it. But not by so much as to draw appeals from the NFLPA.
8-12 games.
If I were an owner, and Roger GoToHell disregarded what Sue Robinson had ruled and upped the penalty, I'd have to ask, "Then what the hell are we paying Robinson for!?"
If I were an owner, and Roger GoToHell disregarded what Sue Robinson had ruled and upped the penalty, I'd have to ask, "Then what the hell are we paying Robinson for!?"
Even if the player has an owner who gave him a fully guaranteed contract, which as a fellow owner you want nothing to do with?
I bet you might think differently, in that hypothetical situation.
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If I were an owner, and Roger GoToHell disregarded what Sue Robinson had ruled and upped the penalty, I'd have to ask, "Then what the hell are we paying Robinson for!?"
Even if the player has an owner who gave him a fully guaranteed contract, which as a fellow owner you want nothing to do with?
I bet you might think differently, in that hypothetical situation.
Even if....
What. My question is something you wouldn't ask? If you were an owner? I mean, put aside what you think about Haslem. You wouldn't be asking your buddies, "So then, why did we bring in that chick judge?" I mean, I can picture the Steelers front office after they hear that GoToHell changed the suspension to a full season, "Yeah!!! Fuck them Browns!!! But...not for nothin' guys, what's that Robinson chick good for?"
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Ruling on Deshaun Watson was Never Going to be Satisfying
https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/unsatisfying-deshaun-watson-ruling
The only guarantee with a resolution to Deshaun Watson's investigation by the NFL is it would be unsatisfying, dispiriting. Coming up with an adequate punishment for a series of charges with little proof was an impossible needle to thread, but the league was once again exposed for how ill equipped they are to deal with violence and mistreatment of women, despite countless opportunities to form a policy. Sports leagues are never going to be an effective substitute for the criminal justice system and even though they are operating based on the preponderance of evidence as opposed to innocent until proven guilty, it was a system fraught with problems before Watson getting to the NFL was a consideration...
...Vague guidelines allow the league to protect its owners while being able to punish players inconsistently and often more harshly. In this case, it came back to haunt them. The same rules that enabled them to avoid any meaningful punishment for New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, caught on camera soliciting prostitution in Florida, allowed Robinson to default to the same punishment for Watson as Ben Roethlisberger and Ezekiel Elliott despite 24 women accusing him of sexual assault and misconduct.
The NFL has allowed Washington Commanders owner Daniel Snyder to operate almost with impunity despite accusations that have been piling up for a decade which includes sexual assault. Until the league is willing to put pen to paper on a real policy that outlines punishments for both players and owners, they will continue to get what they view as unsatisfying results in cases like Watson.
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It is important to let this play out.
Things to note:
The owners are not subject to the CBA which this falls under.
The gambler is not subject to the Personal Conduct Policy which this falls under.
The PED user is not subject to the Personal Conduct Policy which this falls under.
The ball deflator is not subject to the Person Conduct Policy which this falls under.
All those comparisons are not applicable in this instance.
However, all of those comparisons are applicable in the court of public opinion.
The MOST notable legitimate comparisons are Big Ben (1 accusation - 6 games) and Zeke Elliot (1 accusation - 6 games)
Sue Robinson's quote "Egregious misconduct"
I think this will be upped by 2-6 games and he will be fined and he will be required to attend counseling (which he should do regardless).
The NFL won't want to look weak, but will not want this drawn out all season again. So they won't go for the full season, but they will increase it. But not by so much as to draw appeals from the NFLPA.
8-12 games.
IMHO
I see your points, but I respectfully disagree. The NFL "may" try to lengthen the suspension to appease certain women's groups that would want nothing less than a lifetime ban and castration.
BUT.. as Ms. Arbitrator wrote in her opinion, the Personal conduct policy agreed on in the player's contract says 6 game max for a violation. You can't change the rules retroactively. Take it to the bank if Goodell and the NFL TRY to add more games, the NFLPA is going to raise an unprecedented holy stink about it. It could drag out in Federal courts for months.
I see your points, but I respectfully disagree. The NFL "may" try to lengthen the suspension to appease certain women's groups that would want nothing less than a lifetime ban and castration.
BUT.. as Ms. Arbitrator wrote in her opinion, the Personal conduct policy agreed on in the player's contract says 6 game max for a violation. You can't change the rules retroactively. Take it to the bank if Goodell and the NFL TRY to add more games, the NFLPA is going to raise an unprecedented holy stink about it. It could drag out in Federal courts for months.
Six games for "a" violation? Hmmm... 6 games X 24 violations = 144 games.
I'd say he got off with less than a slap on the wrist but rather a pat on the head saying "now run along and be a good boy Deshaun."
Interesting. It's likely he would have received the same punishment had he only been accused of misbehaving one time. That doesn't seem right.
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Hopefully Watson appeals and gets it reduced another two games down to four games.
Complete and total garbage that Watson is getting railroaded like this, but the NFL is trying to protect their image. TWO grand juries would not indict him because there is not one shred of proof of any wrong doing. People are simply using group think to reach the conclusion that "Twenty-six is too many!!!!". Then why didn't TWO grand juries think so? Especially in Texas where they have express lanes to convict people. Bull. Crap.
But moving forward to the season, if Jacoby can get us to 3-3 then Watson will be in good shape to take over and get us to the playoffs. Here we go Brownies, here we go!!!
Dear Lord I can't believe people still aren't getting it.
Two grand juries would not indict him because he did nothing ILLEGAL, not that he didn't do anything wrong.
From the NFL personal conduct policy:
Everyone who is part of the league must refrain from “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in” the NFL. This includes owners, coaches, players, other team employees, game officials, and employees of the league office, NFL Films, NFL Network, or any other NFL business.
It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. We are all held to a higher standard and must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, promotes the values of the NFL, and is lawful.
The perv had not been railroaded and deserved what he got.
Dear Lord I can't believe people still aren't getting it.
Two grand juries would not indict him because he did nothing ILLEGAL, not that he didn't do anything wrong.
From the NFL personal conduct policy:
Everyone who is part of the league must refrain from “conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in” the NFL. This includes owners, coaches, players, other team employees, game officials, and employees of the league office, NFL Films, NFL Network, or any other NFL business.
It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. We are all held to a higher standard and must conduct ourselves in a way that is responsible, promotes the values of the NFL, and is lawful.
The perv had not been railroaded and deserved what he got.
More than that..you're downplaying it. i worked for a criminal defense attorney for 7 years after I left law school. .a grand jury will indict ANYONE...as the saying goes a ham sandwich. Ask Tyson...3 years in prison, no DNA, girl came to his hotel room alone at 1 am, had proven to falsely scream rape before....Watson was in TEXAS. The Freedom project which is young attorneys getting people out of prison who are falsely convicted exists because grand juries are little more than the prosecutor's fan club. Find 1 case where someone was facing more than just 10 charges and not 1 stuck. Watson had 22.....saw twice. Something was greatly wrong with their testimony(s)
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NFLPA stated they will go to court
This bleeds into first week easily
Then get to the DISCOVERY portion of the case. NFL is horrified of this. This is what make them pay Kapernick 50 mill when they were being tough at first. This means owner's text messages, emails, under oath testimony...etc. 1 case opens up another ...look at Gruden. Now see Snyder, Jones, Kraft...etc.
You're going against 2 grand juries and a judge's rulings. Not just other judges despise you attempting to bring other judges decisions to them but you agreed to this crafting of NFL issues being decided by this female judge. She intimated if Watson acted remorseful in public he probably would've gotten less games...
Good luck. Watson might not get a game...I worked for a defense attorney for 7 years out of law school. Court house is a different reality. It's the ultimate "F around and find out" scenario. The court house is not a Democracy. Judge is the King...or Queen. Period
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He and the NFL PA already said they would accept her decision and not appeal. Now it's up to the commish to not be a hypocrite vis a vis punishment to owners for conduct unbecoming.
It would look real bad for Goodell to agree with the NFLPA on having an independent arbitrator hear disciplinary cases, and then right out of the gate say- six games isn't enough.
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Even if....
What. My question is something you wouldn't ask? If you were an owner? I mean, put aside what you think about Haslem. You wouldn't be asking your buddies, "So then, why did we bring in that chick judge?" I mean, I can picture the Steelers front office after they hear that GoToHell changed the suspension to a full season, "Yeah!!! Fuck them Browns!!! But...not for nothin' guys, what's that Robinson chick good for?"
What. My question is something you wouldn't ask? If you were an owner? I mean, put aside what you think about Haslem. You wouldn't be asking your buddies, "So then, why did we bring in that chick judge?" I mean, I can picture the Steelers front office after they hear that GoToHell changed the suspension to a full season, "Yeah!!! Fuck them Browns!!! But...not for nothin' guys, what's that Robinson chick good for?"
In so many words, she did a great job of pointing out that her ruling could not exceed the precedent.
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It would send a message of why even bother with the arbitrator.
I do get why the NFLPA went with this set up. If goodell does overrule, in court they will have a much easier time hammering that the commish imposes penalty with prejudice and isn't unbiased in his dealings with players and owners.
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I see your points, but I respectfully disagree. The NFL "may" try to lengthen the suspension to appease certain women's groups that would want nothing less than a lifetime ban and castration.
BUT.. as Ms. Arbitrator wrote in her opinion, the Personal conduct policy agreed on in the player's contract says 6 game max for a violation. You can't change the rules retroactively. Take it to the bank if Goodell and the NFL TRY to add more games, the NFLPA is going to raise an unprecedented holy stink about it. It could drag out in Federal courts for months.
Six games for "a" violation? Hmmm... 6 games X 24 violations = 144 games.
I'd say he got off with less than a slap on the wrist but rather a pat on the head saying "now run along and be a good boy Deshaun."
Interesting. It's likely he would have received the same punishment had he only been accused of misbehaving one time. That doesn't seem right.
Six games for "a" violation? Hmmm... 6 games X 24 violations = 144 games.
I'd say he got off with less than a slap on the wrist but rather a pat on the head saying "now run along and be a good boy Deshaun."
Interesting. It's likely he would have received the same punishment had he only been accused of misbehaving one time. That doesn't seem right.
Yeah, some folks IMHO pushing the "Me Too" agenda would rather see their team in the shitter for years, instead of realizing the opinion of an independent arbitrator (and former Federal judge)- this is what it is. Couldn't hand out a longer suspension, because it's in the CBA. Should Goodell & Company try for a lengthier time out, the NFLPA will take it to Federal Court faster than you can say "Deshaun Watson". Count on it.
The other side wanted NO suspension at all. Said it earlier, I'm OK with six games.
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I would just accept the punishment and move on... Enough money was wasted in this....tiesP
I would love for someone or group to get all of the attorney fees, court costs and fees NFL penalties, costs, fees and and attorney fees and other miscellaneous costs that ive missed so far. there and any other hidden fees (I'm sure they're plenty) and news coverage costs see what this whole miserable mess has really cost everyone.
I don't know about you but I'm completely sick and tired of this whole miserable mess. If you agree please let us know about what YOU think about this Deshaun Watson national travesty.
~AND~ are you ready for some football ? Remember that the NFL HOF Thursday Night Football Game is on iat 8 pm. LAR versus JAX. just - 2 - days with the introduction of this year's inductees shown throughout the game !
Me too.
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GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Six games for "a" violation? Hmmm... 6 games X 24 violations = 144 games.
I'd say he got off with less than a slap on the wrist but rather a pat on the head saying "now run along and be a good boy Deshaun."
Interesting. It's likely he would have received the same punishment had he only been accused of misbehaving one time. That doesn't seem right.
Yeah, some folks IMHO pushing the "Me Too" agenda would rather see their team in the shitter for years, instead of realizing the opinion of an independent arbitrator (and former Federal judge)- this is what it is. Couldn't hand out a longer suspension, because it's in the CBA. Should Goodell & Company try for a lengthier time out, the NFLPA will take it to Federal Court faster than you can say "Deshaun Watson". Count on it.
The other side wanted NO suspension at all. Said it earlier, I'm OK with six games.
Yeah, some folks IMHO pushing the "Me Too" agenda would rather see their team in the shitter for years, instead of realizing the opinion of an independent arbitrator (and former Federal judge)- this is what it is.
I can tell you without a moment of hesitation that I'd rather watch shitty football than win with Watson. I'll always be a fan of the Browns, but any success associated with Watson will feel like a tarnished crown to me. I just don't how on Earth I'll be able to cheer, or even be happy, assuming he has success playing the position.
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I would just accept the punishment and move on... Enough money was wasted in this....tiesP
I would love for someone or group to get all of the attorney fees, court costs and fees NFL penalties, costs, fees and and attorney fees and other miscellaneous costs that ive missed so far. there and any other hidden fees (I'm sure they're plenty) and news coverage costs see what this whole miserable mess has really cost everyone.
I don't know about you but I'm completely sick and tired of this whole miserable mess. If you agree please let us know about what YOU think about this Deshaun Watson national travesty.
~AND~ are you ready for some football ? Remember that the NFL HOF Thursday Night Football Game is on iat 8 pm. LAR versus JAX. just - 2 - days with the introduction of this year's inductees shown throughout the game !
Me too.
️
I would love for someone or group to get all of the attorney fees, court costs and fees NFL penalties, costs, fees and and attorney fees and other miscellaneous costs that ive missed so far. there and any other hidden fees (I'm sure they're plenty) and news coverage costs see what this whole miserable mess has really cost everyone.
I don't know about you but I'm completely sick and tired of this whole miserable mess. If you agree please let us know about what YOU think about this Deshaun Watson national travesty.
~AND~ are you ready for some football ? Remember that the NFL HOF Thursday Night Football Game is on iat 8 pm. LAR versus JAX. just - 2 - days with the introduction of this year's inductees shown throughout the game !
Me too.
️
Don't forget incurred taxes!
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NFLPA stated they will go to court
This bleeds into first week easily
Then get to the DISCOVERY portion of the case. NFL is horrified of this. This is what make them pay Kapernick 50 mill when they were being tough at first. This means owner's text messages, emails, under oath testimony...etc. 1 case opens up another ...look at Gruden. Now see Snyder, Jones, Kraft...etc.
You're going against 2 grand juries and a judge's rulings. Not just other judges despise you attempting to bring other judges decisions to them but you agreed to this crafting of NFL issues being decided by this female judge. She intimated if Watson acted remorseful in public he probably would've gotten less games...
Good luck. Watson might not get a game...I worked for a defense attorney for 7 years out of law school. Court house is a different reality. It's the ultimate "F around and find out" scenario. The court house is not a Democracy. Judge is the King...or Queen. Period
NFLPA stated they will go to court
This bleeds into first week easily
Then get to the DISCOVERY portion of the case. NFL is horrified of this. This is what make them pay Kapernick 50 mill when they were being tough at first. This means owner's text messages, emails, under oath testimony...etc. 1 case opens up another ...look at Gruden. Now see Snyder, Jones, Kraft...etc.
You're going against 2 grand juries and a judge's rulings. Not just other judges despise you attempting to bring other judges decisions to them but you agreed to this crafting of NFL issues being decided by this female judge. She intimated if Watson acted remorseful in public he probably would've gotten less games...
Good luck. Watson might not get a game...I worked for a defense attorney for 7 years out of law school. Court house is a different reality. It's the ultimate "F around and find out" scenario. The court house is not a Democracy. Judge is the King...or Queen. Period
And they are putting out their poorly drafted and egregiously interpreted Players Conduct Policy. Reading the opinion yesterday that was definitely flagged by the Judge.
If this is appealed and then a lawsuit follows I believe he plays the whole year next season and the optics of that look worse for the NFL especially down the road when they lose badly.
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I see your points, but I respectfully disagree. The NFL "may" try to lengthen the suspension to appease certain women's groups that would want nothing less than a lifetime ban and castration.
BUT.. as Ms. Arbitrator wrote in her opinion, the Personal conduct policy agreed on in the player's contract says 6 game max for a violation. You can't change the rules retroactively. Take it to the bank if Goodell and the NFL TRY to add more games, the NFLPA is going to raise an unprecedented holy stink about it. It could drag out in Federal courts for months.
Six games for "a" violation? Hmmm... 6 games X 24 violations = 144 games.
I'd say he got off with less than a slap on the wrist but rather a pat on the head saying "now run along and be a good boy Deshaun."
Interesting. It's likely he would have received the same punishment had he only been accused of misbehaving one time. That doesn't seem right.
Six games for "a" violation? Hmmm... 6 games X 24 violations = 144 games.
I'd say he got off with less than a slap on the wrist but rather a pat on the head saying "now run along and be a good boy Deshaun."
Interesting. It's likely he would have received the same punishment had he only been accused of misbehaving one time. That doesn't seem right.
If I can add one bit of understanding to this situation. As a rich man (which I am not but I know a few) Settling a civil case is not an admission of guilt. Yet we have “intelligent” media members repeatedly bringing this up. You are certainly better off with an upcoming 350M payout paying a “victim” 100K than sitting in front of a jury that is aware of your known wealth. Honestly if he was truly guilty they would have much much more and/or their lawyer stinks. He seems like a d@mn good ambulance chaser to me
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Six games for "a" violation? Hmmm... 6 games X 24 violations = 144 games.
I'd say he got off with less than a slap on the wrist but rather a pat on the head saying "now run along and be a good boy Deshaun."
Interesting. It's likely he would have received the same punishment had he only been accused of misbehaving one time. That doesn't seem right.
If I can add one bit of understanding to this situation. As a rich man (which I am not but I know a few) Settling a civil case is not an admission of guilt. Yet we have “intelligent” media members repeatedly bringing this up. You are certainly better off with an upcoming 350M payout paying a “victim” 100K than sitting in front of a jury that is aware of your known wealth. Honestly if he was truly guilty they would have much much more and/or their lawyer stinks. He seems like a d@mn good ambulance chaser to me
If I can add one bit of understanding to this situation. As a rich man (which I am not but I know a few) Settling a civil case is not an admission of guilt. Yet we have “intelligent” media members repeatedly bringing this up. You are certainly better off with an upcoming 350M payout paying a “victim” 100K than sitting in front of a jury that is aware of your known wealth. Honestly if he was truly guilty they would have much much more and/or their lawyer stinks. He seems like a d@mn good ambulance chaser to me
Settling is not necessarily an admission of guilt neither is failure to indict a statement of Innocence. A legal system that forces you to go bankrupt defending yourself against BS or real allegations if that's what they are is a big big problem. That's life. It is what it is he got what he got time to live it or live with it.
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