Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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Yeah, some folks IMHO pushing the "Me Too" agenda would rather see their team in the shitter for years, instead of realizing the opinion of an independent arbitrator (and former Federal judge)- this is what it is.
I can tell you without a moment of hesitation that I'd rather watch shitty football than win with Watson. I'll always be a fan of the Browns, but any success associated with Watson will feel like a tarnished crown to me. I just don't how on Earth I'll be able to cheer, or even be happy, assuming he has success playing the position.
I can tell you without a moment of hesitation that I'd rather watch shitty football than win with Watson. I'll always be a fan of the Browns, but any success associated with Watson will feel like a tarnished crown to me. I just don't how on Earth I'll be able to cheer, or even be happy, assuming he has success playing the position.
The guy got some hand jobs, big frigging deal. They are money grubbers trying to get as much as possible. Watch someone else then.
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I can tell you without a moment of hesitation that I'd rather watch shitty football than win with Watson. I'll always be a fan of the Browns, but any success associated with Watson will feel like a tarnished crown to me. I just don't how on Earth I'll be able to cheer, or even be happy, assuming he has success playing the position.
Then how fast you've forgotten 1-15, 0-16... ? Whoopee!!! Let's go back the the good old days of being the NFL doormat.
Look, I'm not thrilled about Watson's past- yeah, it's disgusting... But I believe he deserves a second chance. And that second chance will be his last- if you've caught on to what the arbitrator wrote.
There's Browns fans who aren't Browns fans anymore... Plenty like you who may hold their noses and still root for the Browns in spite of the Watson stink. Count me in that group, what's done is done, not a damn thing that I can do about it. It's a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There's plenty of high character guys on the Browns like Nick Chubb & Joel Bitonio, you want players like them to lose just because you feel that Watson is an unforgivable sleaze ball?
Then how fast you've forgotten 1-15, 0-16... ? Whoopee!!! Let's go back the the good old days of being the NFL doormat.
Look, I'm not thrilled about Watson's past- yeah, it's disgusting... But I believe he deserves a second chance. And that second chance will be his last- if you've caught on to what the arbitrator wrote.
There's Browns fans who aren't Browns fans anymore... Plenty like you who may hold their noses and still root for the Browns in spite of the Watson stink. Count me in that group, what's done is done, not a damn thing that I can do about it. It's a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There's plenty of high character guys on the Browns like Nick Chubb & Joel Bitonio, you want players like them to lose just because you feel that Watson is an unforgivable sleaze ball?
As I've used before, all I'm going to say in response is "a rotten apple spoils the bunch". Further, this isn't JUST Watson-it's owners and an organization who made a conscious choice to go this route.
I haven't forgotten those awful days, at all. But that doesn't change my mind at all either.
The guy got some hand jobs, big frigging deal. They are money grubbers trying to get as much as possible. Watch someone else then.
“Watson then started to masturbate," the suit said, and the woman immediately stopped the massage. “Apparently responding to the look of shock on (the woman’s) face, Watson said to (the woman) ‘Relax. It is okay to touch it.' ” the suit said.
When she refused, Watson stood and “continued masturbating more aggressively,” the suit said.
As he did so, he also asked the woman, “Where do you want me to put it?” the suit said, adding that the woman was “in complete shock and could not speak. She froze.”
Watson then quickly ejaculated, the suit said, and “some of his ejaculate got on (the woman’s) chest and face,” the suit said.
The woman immediately left the room to clean up. Watson dressed, “offered no apology or explanation for his conduct,” left and paid her $150 via Cash App.
The woman called her close friend afterward and told her what happened. “They were both mortified by Watson’s conduct,” the suit said.
Sure, just handjobs. At least admit you are ignoring things.
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So, is this the end of day 2? Of the 3 days that the NFL has to appeal?
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So, is this the end of day 2? Of the 3 days that the NFL has to appeal?
Per The Dan Patrick show.. This Thursday 9am is the cutoff time.. I chose to wait this out..
This whole 'process' is a suits cluster-fuk imo.. Sue Robinson is not the blame here.. D. Watson is..
while the NFLPA should have never signed anything on letting players, loss games/fines get back into God-dell's 'process' on appeal.
Tick. Tick.tick
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It is important to let this play out.
Things to note:
The owners are not subject to the CBA which this falls under.
The gambler is not subject to the Personal Conduct Policy which this falls under.
The PED user is not subject to the Personal Conduct Policy which this falls under.
The ball deflator is not subject to the Person Conduct Policy which this falls under.
All those comparisons are not applicable in this instance.
However, all of those comparisons are applicable in the court of public opinion.
The MOST notable legitimate comparisons are Big Ben (1 accusation - 6 games) and Zeke Elliot (1 accusation - 6 games)
Sue Robinson's quote "Egregious misconduct"
I think this will be upped by 2-6 games and he will be fined and he will be required to attend counseling (which he should do regardless).
The NFL won't want to look weak, but will not want this drawn out all season again. So they won't go for the full season, but they will increase it. But not by so much as to draw appeals from the NFLPA.
8-12 games.
IMHO
I see your points, but I respectfully disagree. The NFL "may" try to lengthen the suspension to appease certain women's groups that would want nothing less than a lifetime ban and castration.
BUT.. as Ms. Arbitrator wrote in her opinion, the Personal conduct policy agreed on in the player's contract says 6 game max for a violation. You can't change the rules retroactively. Take it to the bank if Goodell and the NFL TRY to add more games, the NFLPA is going to raise an unprecedented holy stink about it. It could drag out in Federal courts for months.
as Ms. Arbitrator wrote in her opinion, the Personal conduct policy agreed on in the player's contract says 6 game max for a violation. You can't change the rules retroactively.
'nuff said.....in reality, right? If they want to amend the policy, well, there's probably a procedure in place for that. But what changes may or may not be put forth in the future doesn't apply in the here and now.
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So, is this the end of day 2? Of the 3 days that the NFL has to appeal?
Per The Dan Patrick show.. This Thursday 9am is the cutoff time.. I chose to wait this out..
This whole 'process' is a suits cluster-fuk imo.. Sue Robinson is not the blame here.. D. Watson is..
while the NFLPA should have never signed anything on letting players, loss games/fines get back into God-dell's 'process' on appeal.
Tick. Tick.tick
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Yeah, some folks IMHO pushing the "Me Too" agenda would rather see their team in the shitter for years, instead of realizing the opinion of an independent arbitrator (and former Federal judge)- this is what it is.
I can tell you without a moment of hesitation that I'd rather watch shitty football than win with Watson. I'll always be a fan of the Browns, but any success associated with Watson will feel like a tarnished crown to me. I just don't how on Earth I'll be able to cheer, or even be happy, assuming he has success playing the position.
I can tell you without a moment of hesitation that I'd rather watch shitty football than win with Watson. I'll always be a fan of the Browns, but any success associated with Watson will feel like a tarnished crown to me. I just don't how on Earth I'll be able to cheer, or even be happy, assuming he has success playing the position.
Although I don't find myself going to that extreme, I don't blame you at all for feeling the way you do.
But how would you feel if Watson was to serve a full year suspension rather than a six game?
Rizzo on KNR played a montage of media taking heads expressing their opinion on the suspension, and one believing Watson deserves a one year suspension stuck out as making a lot of sense....
He said that upon completion of Watsons lengthy one year suspension, fans most conflicted about Watson would come around and be of the mindset that the man has paid his dues ...and that it is now time forgive and forget and get back to playing football, and that's exactly how I would feel.
At this point he still remains a scumbag to a lot of Browns fans.
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Then how fast you've forgotten 1-15, 0-16... ? Whoopee!!! Let's go back the the good old days of being the NFL doormat.
Look, I'm not thrilled about Watson's past- yeah, it's disgusting... But I believe he deserves a second chance. And that second chance will be his last- if you've caught on to what the arbitrator wrote.
There's Browns fans who aren't Browns fans anymore... Plenty like you who may hold their noses and still root for the Browns in spite of the Watson stink. Count me in that group, what's done is done, not a damn thing that I can do about it. It's a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There's plenty of high character guys on the Browns like Nick Chubb & Joel Bitonio, you want players like them to lose just because you feel that Watson is an unforgivable sleaze ball?
As I've used before, all I'm going to say in response is "a rotten apple spoils the bunch". Further, this isn't JUST Watson-it's owners and an organization who made a conscious choice to go this route.
I haven't forgotten those awful days, at all. But that doesn't change my mind at all either.
The guy got some hand jobs, big frigging deal. They are money grubbers trying to get as much as possible. Watch someone else then.
“Watson then started to masturbate," the suit said, and the woman immediately stopped the massage. “Apparently responding to the look of shock on (the woman’s) face, Watson said to (the woman) ‘Relax. It is okay to touch it.' ” the suit said.
When she refused, Watson stood and “continued masturbating more aggressively,” the suit said.
As he did so, he also asked the woman, “Where do you want me to put it?” the suit said, adding that the woman was “in complete shock and could not speak. She froze.”
Watson then quickly ejaculated, the suit said, and “some of his ejaculate got on (the woman’s) chest and face,” the suit said.
The woman immediately left the room to clean up. Watson dressed, “offered no apology or explanation for his conduct,” left and paid her $150 via Cash App.
The woman called her close friend afterward and told her what happened. “They were both mortified by Watson’s conduct,” the suit said.
Sure, just handjobs. At least admit you are ignoring things.
As I've used before, all I'm going to say in response is "a rotten apple spoils the bunch". Further, this isn't JUST Watson-it's owners and an organization who made a conscious choice to go this route.
I haven't forgotten those awful days, at all. But that doesn't change my mind at all either.
“Watson then started to masturbate," the suit said, and the woman immediately stopped the massage. “Apparently responding to the look of shock on (the woman’s) face, Watson said to (the woman) ‘Relax. It is okay to touch it.' ” the suit said.
When she refused, Watson stood and “continued masturbating more aggressively,” the suit said.
As he did so, he also asked the woman, “Where do you want me to put it?” the suit said, adding that the woman was “in complete shock and could not speak. She froze.”
Watson then quickly ejaculated, the suit said, and “some of his ejaculate got on (the woman’s) chest and face,” the suit said.
The woman immediately left the room to clean up. Watson dressed, “offered no apology or explanation for his conduct,” left and paid her $150 via Cash App.
The woman called her close friend afterward and told her what happened. “They were both mortified by Watson’s conduct,” the suit said.
Sure, just handjobs. At least admit you are ignoring things.
I'm certainly not ignoring that... And the other sleazy instances... She never saw a guy beat off before in her life though? Eventually got way more than $150 bucks to help her get over the shock... High five $$$$$ figures?
Regarding the Browns Office & coaching staff who signed off on bringing DW into town, they had better be right about his playing ability, or they're all going to be looking for employment elsewhere.
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As I've used before, all I'm going to say in response is "a rotten apple spoils the bunch". Further, this isn't JUST Watson-it's owners and an organization who made a conscious choice to go this route.
I haven't forgotten those awful days, at all. But that doesn't change my mind at all either.
“Watson then started to masturbate," the suit said, and the woman immediately stopped the massage. “Apparently responding to the look of shock on (the woman’s) face, Watson said to (the woman) ‘Relax. It is okay to touch it.' ” the suit said.
When she refused, Watson stood and “continued masturbating more aggressively,” the suit said.
As he did so, he also asked the woman, “Where do you want me to put it?” the suit said, adding that the woman was “in complete shock and could not speak. She froze.”
Watson then quickly ejaculated, the suit said, and “some of his ejaculate got on (the woman’s) chest and face,” the suit said.
The woman immediately left the room to clean up. Watson dressed, “offered no apology or explanation for his conduct,” left and paid her $150 via Cash App.
The woman called her close friend afterward and told her what happened. “They were both mortified by Watson’s conduct,” the suit said.
Sure, just handjobs. At least admit you are ignoring things.
I'm certainly not ignoring that... And the other sleazy instances... She never saw a guy beat off before in her life though? Eventually got way more than $150 bucks to help her get over the shock... High five $$$$$ figures?
Regarding the Browns Office & coaching staff who signed off on bringing DW into town, they had better be right about his playing ability, or they're all going to be looking for employment elsewhere.
I'm certainly not ignoring that... And the other sleazy instances... She never saw a guy beat off before in her life though? Eventually got way more than $150 bucks to help her get over the shock... High five $$$$$ figures?
Regarding the Browns Office & coaching staff who signed off on bringing DW into town, they had better be right about his playing ability, or they're all going to be looking for employment elsewhere.
Something tells me some staff might have started that already. Who knows. Good night everyone.
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I don't know about "remorseful".. At least publicly. Was I wrong hearing it somewhere Judge Robinson said he might have gotten off lighter with an apology, instead of continually harping "I didn't do anything wrong"?
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Can't find this posted.. so
Here's Sue Robinson's 16 pages of findings..(pg.5)
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Berkowitz, speaking three hours after the ruling, reasoned that a year-long suspension was “the minimum that should have been put into place, given the seriousness of [Watson’s actions].”
“There's no length that will make up for the harm that he's done to these dozens of women,” he said. “But I think at least a year makes a pretty strong statement that this is not gonna be tolerated.”
The six games, on the other hand, “unfortunately mirrors what we experience in the criminal justice system,” Donisha Greene, the director of community engagement at the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, said in an interview. “It sends a message to the community that those who are in a position of power and celebrity are not held accountable for their actions when they commit violence against others.”
Violence? I don't agree with the reasoning the above two people have for advocating a yearlong suspension. Behaving in a lewd manner is not rape.
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I would just accept the punishment and move on... Enough money was wasted in this....tiesP
I would love for someone or group to get all of the attorney fees, court costs and fees NFL penalties, costs, fees and and attorney fees and other miscellaneous costs that ive missed so far. there and any other hidden fees (I'm sure they're plenty) and news coverage costs see what this whole miserable mess has really cost everyone.
I don't know about you but I'm completely sick and tired of this whole miserable mess. If you agree please let us know about what YOU think about this Deshaun Watson national travesty.
~AND~ are you ready for some football ? Remember that the NFL HOF Thursday Night Football Game is on iat 8 pm. LAR versus JAX. just - 2 - days with the introduction of this year's inductees shown throughout the game !
Me too.
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I would love for someone or group to get all of the attorney fees, court costs and fees NFL penalties, costs, fees and and attorney fees and other miscellaneous costs that ive missed so far. there and any other hidden fees (I'm sure they're plenty) and news coverage costs see what this whole miserable mess has really cost everyone.
I don't know about you but I'm completely sick and tired of this whole miserable mess. If you agree please let us know about what YOU think about this Deshaun Watson national travesty.
~AND~ are you ready for some football ? Remember that the NFL HOF Thursday Night Football Game is on iat 8 pm. LAR versus JAX. just - 2 - days with the introduction of this year's inductees shown throughout the game !
Me too.
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Yeah well the Cleveland Browns have been a whole miserable mess since they returned.
After this is over, it will be something else.
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Six games for "a" violation? Hmmm... 6 games X 24 violations = 144 games.
I'd say he got off with less than a slap on the wrist but rather a pat on the head saying "now run along and be a good boy Deshaun."
Interesting. It's likely he would have received the same punishment had he only been accused of misbehaving one time. That doesn't seem right.
If I can add one bit of understanding to this situation. As a rich man (which I am not but I know a few) Settling a civil case is not an admission of guilt. Yet we have “intelligent” media members repeatedly bringing this up. You are certainly better off with an upcoming 350M payout paying a “victim” 100K than sitting in front of a jury that is aware of your known wealth. Honestly if he was truly guilty they would have much much more and/or their lawyer stinks. He seems like a d@mn good ambulance chaser to me
Honestly if he was truly guilty they would have much much more and/or their lawyer stinks. He seems like a d@mn good ambulance chaser to me
The NFL, led by investigator Lisa Friel, does its investigative work. In this case, it literally took months and months because of the sheer volume of accusers. From there, once the investigation has concluded, Friel and her team turn over their findings and recommendation for punishment to a third party mediator by the name of Sue L. Robinson, a former U.S. district judge who is jointly appointed by the league and the NFL Players Association under the conduct policy.
ok, See pg.3/4.. of Sue's report with the start of.."Watson allegedly* worked with more than 60....
dear lord..215 pages from a former sex crimes prosecutor of the NFL's choice in Lisa Friel .. And the best she could do is find 5 (decides to boot one) & only 3 of 4 holds a business therapist license..
Folks.. we have some ambulance chasers, that got their chasing $$, while hurting their own shady business feelings
Go on Roger/NFL, to only listening to your paid media meatheads.. we'll wait
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Honestly if he was truly guilty they would have much much more and/or their lawyer stinks. He seems like a d@mn good ambulance chaser to me
The NFL, led by investigator Lisa Friel, does its investigative work. In this case, it literally took months and months because of the sheer volume of accusers. From there, once the investigation has concluded, Friel and her team turn over their findings and recommendation for punishment to a third party mediator by the name of Sue L. Robinson, a former U.S. district judge who is jointly appointed by the league and the NFL Players Association under the conduct policy.
ok, See pg.3/4.. of Sue's report with the start of.."Watson allegedly* worked with more than 60....
dear lord..215 pages from a former sex crimes prosecutor of the NFL's choice in Lisa Friel .. And the best she could do is find 5 (decides to boot one) & only 3 of 4 holds a business therapist license..
Folks.. we have some ambulance chasers, that got their chasing $$, while hurting their own shady business feelings
Go on Roger/NFL, to only listening to your paid media meatheads.. we'll wait
The NFL, led by investigator Lisa Friel, does its investigative work. In this case, it literally took months and months because of the sheer volume of accusers. From there, once the investigation has concluded, Friel and her team turn over their findings and recommendation for punishment to a third party mediator by the name of Sue L. Robinson, a former U.S. district judge who is jointly appointed by the league and the NFL Players Association under the conduct policy.
ok, See pg.3/4.. of Sue's report with the start of.."Watson allegedly* worked with more than 60....
dear lord..215 pages from a former sex crimes prosecutor of the NFL's choice in Lisa Friel .. And the best she could do is find 5 (decides to boot one) & only 3 of 4 holds a business therapist license..
Folks.. we have some ambulance chasers, that got their chasing $$, while hurting their own shady business feelings
Go on Roger/NFL, to only listening to your paid media meatheads.. we'll wait
Yet:
"Mr. Watson is hereby suspended for six (6) regular-season games without pay," she ruled. "Although this is the most significant punishment ever imposed on an NFL player for allegations of non-violent sexual conduct, Mr. Watson's pattern of conduct is more egregious than any before reviewed by the NFL."
She ruled according to the precedent the NFL had set, but it almost seems like the NFL has her blessing should they choose to appeal.
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As I've used before, all I'm going to say in response is "a rotten apple spoils the bunch". Further, this isn't JUST Watson-it's owners and an organization who made a conscious choice to go this route.
I haven't forgotten those awful days, at all. But that doesn't change my mind at all either.
“Watson then started to masturbate," the suit said, and the woman immediately stopped the massage. “Apparently responding to the look of shock on (the woman’s) face, Watson said to (the woman) ‘Relax. It is okay to touch it.' ” the suit said.
When she refused, Watson stood and “continued masturbating more aggressively,” the suit said.
As he did so, he also asked the woman, “Where do you want me to put it?” the suit said, adding that the woman was “in complete shock and could not speak. She froze.”
Watson then quickly ejaculated, the suit said, and “some of his ejaculate got on (the woman’s) chest and face,” the suit said.
The woman immediately left the room to clean up. Watson dressed, “offered no apology or explanation for his conduct,” left and paid her $150 via Cash App.
The woman called her close friend afterward and told her what happened. “They were both mortified by Watson’s conduct,” the suit said.
Sure, just handjobs. At least admit you are ignoring things.
I'm certainly not ignoring that... And the other sleazy instances... She never saw a guy beat off before in her life though? Eventually got way more than $150 bucks to help her get over the shock... High five $$$$$ figures?
Regarding the Browns Office & coaching staff who signed off on bringing DW into town, they had better be right about his playing ability, or they're all going to be looking for employment elsewhere.
I'm certainly not ignoring that... And the other sleazy instances... She never saw a guy beat off before in her life though? Eventually got way more than $150 bucks to help her get over the shock... High five $$$$$ figures?
Regarding the Browns Office & coaching staff who signed off on bringing DW into town, they had better be right about his playing ability, or they're all going to be looking for employment elsewhere.
TBH my friend, making the statement "she never saw a beat off before" is missing the point. It doesn't matter if she has (or hasn't), it's that they clearly did not want a man doing this in their professional work place. I can have sex with 100 people, if I don't want to have sex with a person who forces me to it's still assault.
Regarding the settlements, I just hope you and others bear in mind a settlement for crimes like this make a lot more logical sense than dragging themselves through the context of a trial. These crimes are notoriously (and unfortunately) hard to prove, and settlements serve as a logical conclusion when criminal prosecution won't occur. It isn't, for many, about just the money.
Although I don't find myself going to that extreme, I don't blame you at all for feeling the way you do.
But how would you feel if Watson was to serve a full year suspension rather than a six game?
Rizzo on KNR played a montage of media taking heads expressing their opinion on the suspension, and one believing Watson deserves a one year suspension stuck out as making a lot of sense....
He said that upon completion of Watsons lengthy one year suspension, fans most conflicted about Watson would come around and be of the mindset that the man has paid his dues ...and that it is now time forgive and forget and get back to playing football, and that's exactly how I would feel.
At this point he still remains a scumbag to a lot of Browns fans.
Honestly? Nah, nothing short of this never occurring would make me feel strongly. To say it a bit differently and appropriately, if I could magic wand this I'd much rather have rolled with Baker and rolled the dice on how the season went.
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Geez, I just want to see the Browns win a Lombardi in my lifetime.. ?
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