Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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The NFL, led by investigator Lisa Friel, does its investigative work. In this case, it literally took months and months because of the sheer volume of accusers. From there, once the investigation has concluded, Friel and her team turn over their findings and recommendation for punishment to a third party mediator by the name of Sue L. Robinson, a former U.S. district judge who is jointly appointed by the league and the NFL Players Association under the conduct policy.
ok, See pg.3/4.. of Sue's report with the start of.."Watson allegedly* worked with more than 60....
dear lord..215 pages from a former sex crimes prosecutor of the NFL's choice in Lisa Friel .. And the best she could do is find 5 (decides to boot one) & only 3 of 4 holds a business therapist license..
Folks.. we have some ambulance chasers, that got their chasing $$, while hurting their own shady business feelings
Go on Roger/NFL, to only listening to your paid media meatheads.. we'll wait
Yet:
"Mr. Watson is hereby suspended for six (6) regular-season games without pay," she ruled. "Although this is the most significant punishment ever imposed on an NFL player for allegations of non-violent sexual conduct, Mr. Watson's pattern of conduct is more egregious than any before reviewed by the NFL."
She ruled according to the precedent the NFL had set, but it almost seems like the NFL has her blessing should they choose to appeal.
Yet:
"Mr. Watson is hereby suspended for six (6) regular-season games without pay," she ruled. "Although this is the most significant punishment ever imposed on an NFL player for allegations of non-violent sexual conduct, Mr. Watson's pattern of conduct is more egregious than any before reviewed by the NFL."
She ruled according to the precedent the NFL had set, but it almost seems like the NFL has her blessing should they choose to appeal.
You leave out the part about it being for alleged non-violent sexual conduct.
The part you highlight isn't saying this is the most egregious case the NFL has reviewed.
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Question.......if she didn't "want to" how did she end up with semen on her dress and FACE????!!! Must have been pretty close for someone who wasn't consenting!
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Slap on the wrist for someone called egregious and predatory. Still this is the judge the NFL hand picked. Whether they appeal or not could the league be any more incompetent?
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Can't find this posted.. so
Here's Sue Robinson's 16 pages of findings..(pg.5)
Can't find this posted.. so
Here's Sue Robinson's 16 pages of findings..(pg.5)
I'm using my tablet now, the full report is on Cleveland.com I'll post the link later. Read all 16 pages. It's obvious Deshawn was using these sessions with at least "some" sexual intent, and the "therapists" were warned ahead of time he wanted them to massage certain areas of his body.
Of note: Ms. Robinson stated what the NFL was alleging was poorly defined. And as I've said before, 6 games is the max penalty for personal conduct policy violations. Sorry Roger, you can't retroactively change that. If him and the NFL try to, it will certainly be challenged in court by the NFLPA.. and the NFL will almost certainly lose. The NFL "might" try to hit Deshawn with a big fine, and the NFLPA "might" be OK with that... We'll find out soon enough.
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“Rubs off” ?
What a poor choice of words when referring to DW.
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OK... Cleveland.com article + 16 page complete ruling..
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Honestly? Nah, nothing short of this never occurring would make me feel strongly. To say it a bit differently and appropriately, if I could magic wand this I'd much rather have rolled with Baker and rolled the dice on how the season went.
If you would have preferred to roll the dice with Baker then this will make you feel even worse...sorry!
If you would have preferred to roll the dice with Baker then this will make you feel even worse...sorry!
I'm going to pull a Zombo... And start a thread where guys can discuss a former Browns player to your heart's content...
Will Baker follow a Drew Brees career path, of an Andy Dalton one, where he can win a playoff game or two if everything around him is perfect? Tia has pointed out with his screen shots, if Mayfield wants to be another Drew Brees, there's obvious flaws in his came he needs to correct.
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Berkowitz, speaking three hours after the ruling, reasoned that a year-long suspension was “the minimum that should have been put into place, given the seriousness of [Watson’s actions].”
“There's no length that will make up for the harm that he's done to these dozens of women,” he said. “But I think at least a year makes a pretty strong statement that this is not gonna be tolerated.”
The six games, on the other hand, “unfortunately mirrors what we experience in the criminal justice system,” Donisha Greene, the director of community engagement at the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, said in an interview. “It sends a message to the community that those who are in a position of power and celebrity are not held accountable for their actions when they commit violence against others.”
Violence? I don't agree with the reasoning the above two people have for advocating a yearlong suspension. Behaving in a lewd manner is not rape.
Berkowitz, speaking three hours after the ruling, reasoned that a year-long suspension was “the minimum that should have been put into place, given the seriousness of [Watson’s actions].”
“There's no length that will make up for the harm that he's done to these dozens of women,” he said. “But I think at least a year makes a pretty strong statement that this is not gonna be tolerated.”
The six games, on the other hand, “unfortunately mirrors what we experience in the criminal justice system,” Donisha Greene, the director of community engagement at the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, said in an interview. “It sends a message to the community that those who are in a position of power and celebrity are not held accountable for their actions when they commit violence against others.”
Violence? I don't agree with the reasoning the above two people have for advocating a yearlong suspension. Behaving in a lewd manner is not rape.
Too bad The Gipper isn't around anymore to comment... Robinson had to use the NFL's version of what "violence" is, not the legal version of one. You can read the report of what was considered "violence", I'm not going to repeat it here. However, for it to be "indecent exposure" it has to be in public, but I'm not a lawyer.
Yeah, it wasn't just a "massage" it was thinly veiled prostitution. But how many other NFL players have visited The Chicken Ranch or it's equivalent multiple times in the past?
And this reeks of nth degree hypocrisy Mr. Kraft.. You got off scot free...
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If I worked at NFL headquarters, I would highly recommend not appealing the decision. A statement reading that the NFL wanted a year is good enough. I know that’s already out there (which I call “tampering” and would be pissed off if I were the Players Union) but the response shows both intent (for more) and respect for both the judge and the CBA. The NFL basically says to critics “we don’t like the decision either, but that’s what the judge ruled”. The NFL has either this option or open a can of worms ... and we all know their house isn’t clean.
i also think that through both formal and informal channels, all parties agreed to this. We’d be naive to think otherwise. The union already said they’d accept the ruling and sue the NFL if they didn’t. Why would they do that? Also, Deshaun could sue for discrimination claiming that the owners got off without a penalty because they were white. No scenario ends well for the NFL except to accept the ruling.
I could be wrong ... they could be really stupid. And we know they are - just read Kraft’s quote. How two-faced of him to say that.
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https://www.profootballrumors.com/2022/08/nfl-appeals-deshaun-watson-suspension
He's getting more time. I just hope this drags the owners in the mud too. Let them all burn.
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Just to make it more of a clusterfuck.
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Not unexpected...The NFL was busy yesterday putting the hammer down on the Dolphins... Next in line... Deshaun...
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Not unexpected...The NFL was busy yesterday putting the hammer down on the Dolphins... Next in line... Deshaun...
Not unexpected...The NFL was busy yesterday putting the hammer down on the Dolphins... Next in line... Deshaun...
Hopefully the Texans are next. You know, spread the wealth. Haha
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To be honest, my thought of why this wasn't going to happen is that Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and Dan Synder can (and should) come up in the lawsuits that will be coming when they increase the suspension I'm guessing, though, the legal calculus was done insomuch they determined they could skirt around airing the owners dirty laundry out while laying the hammer down on Watson. . Make no mistake, the NFL is going to say a year or maybe indefinite and I'm not sure any legs Watson or the NFLPA have to stand on. I'd be shocked if it was less strict.
Easy decision to go get Jimmy G in my opinion. This team can win now, and big, with that dude for a year. Give up a 5th and eat most of the salary (we have room as I understand).
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Hopefully the Texans are next. You know, spread the wealth. Haha
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We'll find out soon what the NFL has in mind for appropriate punishment... As I've been saying Steve, if the CBA contract language has a six game max suspension- it's going to be pretty hard for a Federal Judge to say that contract language doesn't matter.
Yeah it's about to get real ugly. Millionaires fighting Billionaires.
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I wonder if the end result will be same number of games but some hefty fine like 10 million dollars. If this goes to court they risk DeShaun playing the whole season until it gets resolved. Add the fine, work with the NFLPA to set some standards for such incidents and move on. Whats the purpose of the independent judge if you can appeal and do whatever decision you want anyways.
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