Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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To be honest, my thought of why this wasn't going to happen is that Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and Dan Synder can (and should) come up in the lawsuits that will be coming when they increase the suspension I'm guessing, though, the legal calculus was done insomuch they determined they could skirt around airing the owners dirty laundry out while laying the hammer down on Watson. . Make no mistake, the NFL is going to say a year or maybe indefinite and I'm not sure any legs Watson or the NFLPA have to stand on. I'd be shocked if it was less strict.
Easy decision to go get Jimmy G in my opinion. This team can win now, and big, with that dude for a year. Give up a 5th and eat most of the salary (we have room as I understand).
Any lawyers out there? It will probably start with an injunction being filed against the NFL to go pound salt. I'll use a dirty word in this Forum "Political"... What I've learned in my adventures in that sphere, the defense (in this case the NFLPA) can use a process called "discovery"... You can bet the ranch the player's association will drag up all the shit that the above owners (who are supposed to be held to a higher standard) got away with essentially scot free... I have NO doubts the NFLPA's lawyers are already working overtime at producing a mountain of paperwork that will take a judge weeks to wade through.
Any lawyers out there? It will probably start with an injunction being filed against the NFL to go pound salt. I'll use a dirty word in this Forum "Political"... What I've learned in my adventures in that sphere, the defense (in this case the NFLPA) can use a process called "discovery"... You can bet the ranch the player's association will drag up all the shit that the above owners (who are supposed to be held to a higher standard) got away with essentially scot free... I have NO doubts the NFLPA's lawyers are already working overtime at producing a mountain of paperwork that will take a judge weeks to wade through.
What's your opinion on this. Not my words, got it from another site.
if the NFLPA sues then Watson plays this year BUT...
If I were Watson, I wouldn't allow the NFLPA sue. If that happens, then the whole process goes to litigation with an injunction on any decision and Watson will be allowed to play pending the outcome. The league can then toll the decision until after the end of the 2022 season, at which time Watson’s suspension could include a fine on his 2023 salary ($40+ million), instead of his 2022 $58k per game check.
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https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2022/08/03/deshaun-watson-appeal-suspension/
The NFLPA had announced before the decision that they would not appeal but that announcement is not binding.
Now that the NFL has appealed the suspension, Roger Goodell can decide who hears that appeal including deciding he is the person to do so.
It has been known that the NFL has wanted at least a year suspension since the discipline hearing started. We also found out the two sides tried to settle before Robinson’s decision but couldn’t find common ground.
During that settlement talk, the NFL wanted a 12-game suspension and a huge fine while Watson’s side was more open to a six to eight-game discpline.
According to multiple reports, which started with Adam Schefter’s appearance on ‘Get Up’, the reason the NFL wants Watson out for at least 12 games is that they don’t want him playing in Houston this year:
As it has seemed with the NFL in a variety of situations, public relations seems to be a primary motivator once again. Whether someone believes that Watson deserves a longer suspension or not, extending it for this reason is not about doing the right thing.
With the appeal from the NFL in, the NFLPA has two days to respond before the appeal process begins. That process may not take too long before a new punishment is enacted. From there, Watson may choose to pursue a federal lawsuit ala Tom Brady.
More uncertainty and, seemingly, more PR spin while Browns training camp carries on.
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again..
Rodger has been playing this same Bullshit card since he told every player/fans, since standing at a Ray Rice suspension in 2014.. "We have to get these right" While Sue proved, His conduct policy is hot garbage when it comes down to deciding games suspended and fines to the matters at hand .. (and now let's pull Sue, out from under your bus Rodger)
I certainly don't want Rodgers pack of goon'd suits doing his 'dirty work' that Sue Robinson preformed..
Robinson did her professional job finding of what Watson did... Than found out Rodger was a dip-shit when it became time to handout fines/suspensions given...
Now Rodger does not like agreed upon appointed officials either... ?
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Maybe next time Eli & Peyton Manning can agree on suspended games ?
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I would absolutely love to see what some of your wives and daughters would think of what some of you have written about this subject.
I would absolutely love to see what some of your wives and daughters would think of what some of you have written about this subject.
My wife recognizes it for what it is. Gold digging and woke mob frenzy.
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I agree... with going after Jimmy G.... Hedge your bets that the NFL will be able to make a lengthy suspension stick. As we've seen on the Federal level, the wheels of justice turn real slowly... Anyone want to hazard a guess that the NFL's appeal won't even get to court for at least a month?
& a PS to runyon... Already said that in another thread... The NFL has a better chance of making a hefty fine hold up than adding more games to the suspension.
Maybe not until next season.
My feeling is it isn't about the number of games Watson was suspended. It is more about how much money he will lose during the suspension. The NFL may not appeal for more games, they make see an additional fine.
The problem is the NFL suspends for games. Games hurt teams and fans, not players. Losing the check is what hurts players. You start fining players based on 1/17 of their salary, then you don't have to even fool with games. As it stands Watson will lose around $58,000 per game suspended. Even all 17 he is out $1,000,000.
At 6 games he is out around $350,000. I can't say that is enough compared to what other players are losing by being suspended. The NFL may not seek a longer suspension. They may seek to have monetary damages assessed.
Maybe not until next season.
My feeling is it isn't about the number of games Watson was suspended. It is more about how much money he will lose during the suspension. The NFL may not appeal for more games, they make see an additional fine.
The problem is the NFL suspends for games. Games hurt teams and fans, not players. Losing the check is what hurts players. You start fining players based on 1/17 of their salary, then you don't have to even fool with games. As it stands Watson will lose around $58,000 per game suspended. Even all 17 he is out $1,000,000.
At 6 games he is out around $350,000. I can't say that is enough compared to what other players are losing by being suspended. The NFL may not seek a longer suspension. They may seek to have monetary damages assessed.
100% agree. I believe the entire penalty structure needs to be changed to financial only. I say that when it’s “conduct detrimental” not for actual criminal convictions. Game suspensions penalize far to many innocents including teammates and fans. Secondly the definition needs to be far less subjective and the entire process needs to be independent of the league office.
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I would absolutely love to see what some of your wives and daughters would think of what some of you have written about this subject.
I would absolutely love to see what some of your wives and daughters would think of what some of you have written about this subject.
Have any of these hot take radio phone callers, ever claimed to have wives or daughters in the professional massage business? NO !
They hate anything to do with the Browns.. than they call the next radio show, claiming the same ?
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I would absolutely love to see what some of your wives and daughters would think of what some of you have written about this subject.
Have any of these hot take radio phone callers, ever claimed to have wives or daughters in the professional massage business? NO !
They hate anything to do with the Browns.. than they call the next radio show, claiming the same ?
Have any of these hot take radio phone callers, ever claimed to have wives or daughters in the professional massage business? NO !
They hate anything to do with the Browns.. than they call the next radio show, claiming the same ?
My sister in law is a professional masseuse. She thinks this is all a sham. As she relayed to me any true professional would never have had a second appointment if they were so horrified by the first one. If someone asked her about a happy ending or rubbing his groin she’ would ask them to leave and never make another appointment. Every other legit pro would too.
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Have any of these hot take radio phone callers, ever claimed to have wives or daughters in the professional massage business? NO !
They hate anything to do with the Browns.. than they call the next radio show, claiming the same ?
My sister in law is a professional masseuse. She thinks this is all a sham. As she relayed to me any true professional would never have had a second appointment if they were so horrified by the first one. If someone asked her about a happy ending or rubbing his groin she’ would ask them to leave and never make another appointment. Every other legit pro would too.
My sister in law is a professional masseuse. She thinks this is all a sham. As she relayed to me any true professional would never have had a second appointment if they were so horrified by the first one. If someone asked her about a happy ending or rubbing his groin she’ would ask them to leave and never make another appointment. Every other legit pro would too.
Thanks for sharing this info also^^ this Sham just got real..
I was driving back from my mail route yesterday.. Got caught by a train & had to detour thru downtown...Wouldn't you know it...
I see this run down shack of a house with a paper sign in the yard offering 3 prices/types of massages.. ?
Legal right turn on red quickly.. as I saw enough details..
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Any lawyers out there? It will probably start with an injunction being filed against the NFL to go pound salt. I'll use a dirty word in this Forum "Political"... What I've learned in my adventures in that sphere, the defense (in this case the NFLPA) can use a process called "discovery"... You can bet the ranch the player's association will drag up all the shit that the above owners (who are supposed to be held to a higher standard) got away with essentially scot free... I have NO doubts the NFLPA's lawyers are already working overtime at producing a mountain of paperwork that will take a judge weeks to wade through.
What's your opinion on this. Not my words, got it from another site.
if the NFLPA sues then Watson plays this year BUT...
If I were Watson, I wouldn't allow the NFLPA sue. If that happens, then the whole process goes to litigation with an injunction on any decision and Watson will be allowed to play pending the outcome. The league can then toll the decision until after the end of the 2022 season, at which time Watson’s suspension could include a fine on his 2023 salary ($40+ million), instead of his 2022 $58k per game check.
What's your opinion on this. Not my words, got it from another site.
if the NFLPA sues then Watson plays this year BUT...
If I were Watson, I wouldn't allow the NFLPA sue. If that happens, then the whole process goes to litigation with an injunction on any decision and Watson will be allowed to play pending the outcome. The league can then toll the decision until after the end of the 2022 season, at which time Watson’s suspension could include a fine on his 2023 salary ($40+ million), instead of his 2022 $58k per game check.
Yup, Watson will 100% take any lumps this year when by comparison his 2022 salary is peanuts compared to 2023... If he was suspended this entire season, he's only out $1 million... Next year, if he's only suspended 6 games that number jumps up to around $14 million.
100% agree. I believe the entire penalty structure needs to be changed to financial only. I say that when it’s “conduct detrimental” not for actual criminal convictions. Game suspensions penalize far to many innocents including teammates and fans. Secondly the definition needs to be far less subjective and the entire process needs to be independent of the league office.
If you read Robinson's report... she said exactly that- there were NO clear definitions that the NFL went by in making their determinations of Watson's misbehavior... OTOH, they made it up on the fly....
And FWIW Mr. Patriots owner Bobbie Kraft... You somehow think Deshaun deserves more punishment, but somehow you figure getting caught red-handed visiting a house of prostitution isn't "conduct detrimental to the image of the NFL"? And you got away with it. Maybe since they retroactively want to change the rules for DW, they can retroactively fine Kraft about a million or two and suspend him for 1\2 the season..... However, Rodger the Dodger knows who signs his paychecks, fat chance of THAT ever happening.
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What's your opinion on this. Not my words, got it from another site.
if the NFLPA sues then Watson plays this year BUT...
If I were Watson, I wouldn't allow the NFLPA sue. If that happens, then the whole process goes to litigation with an injunction on any decision and Watson will be allowed to play pending the outcome. The league can then toll the decision until after the end of the 2022 season, at which time Watson’s suspension could include a fine on his 2023 salary ($40+ million), instead of his 2022 $58k per game check.
Yup, Watson will 100% take any lumps this year when by comparison his 2022 salary is peanuts compared to 2023... If he was suspended this entire season, he's only out $1 million... Next year, if he's only suspended 6 games that number jumps up to around $14 million.
100% agree. I believe the entire penalty structure needs to be changed to financial only. I say that when it’s “conduct detrimental” not for actual criminal convictions. Game suspensions penalize far to many innocents including teammates and fans. Secondly the definition needs to be far less subjective and the entire process needs to be independent of the league office.
If you read Robinson's report... she said exactly that- there were NO clear definitions that the NFL went by in making their determinations of Watson's misbehavior... OTOH, they made it up on the fly....
And FWIW Mr. Patriots owner Bobbie Kraft... You somehow think Deshaun deserves more punishment, but somehow you figure getting caught red-handed visiting a house of prostitution isn't "conduct detrimental to the image of the NFL"? And you got away with it. Maybe since they retroactively want to change the rules for DW, they can retroactively fine Kraft about a million or two and suspend him for 1\2 the season..... However, Rodger the Dodger knows who signs his paychecks, fat chance of THAT ever happening.
If you read Robinson's report... she said exactly that- there were NO clear definitions that the NFL went by in making their determinations of Watson's misbehavior... OTOH, they made it up on the fly....
I don't believe Robinson should have qualified to be judging game suspensions nor fines..Turning this back to a single NFL choice has to go also...
Robinson than agreed to follow by the NFLPA's request of past suspension findings of players.. (instead of NFLPA owners claims..they were used as Sue's pawns) ...
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https://www.profootballrumors.com/2022/08/nfl-appeals-deshaun-watson-suspension
He's getting more time. I just hope this drags the owners in the mud too. Let them all burn.
As I posted in Steve's thread... The NFLPA is going to come out with guns blazing in Court.... You (the NFL) want to put the hammer down on Deshaun, but Bob Kraft is caught on camera visiting a prostitute, and crickets? Suspend him for an equal number of games.
As I posted in Steve's thread... The NFLPA is going to come out with guns blazing in Court.... You (the NFL) want to put the hammer down on Deshaun, but Bob Kraft is caught on camera visiting a prostitute, and crickets? Suspend him for an equal number of games.
In the first place it's two different issues. A prostitutes job is to suck your weiner. A massage therapists job is to rub your back. A prostitute isn't likely to be offended if you jerk off on them. A massage therapist or a barista or a Dollar General Clerk possibly will.
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First six games... Panthers (A), Jets (H), Steelers (H), Falcons (A), Chargers (H), Patriots (H).
Then the fun starts with Watson's first game back on the road against the Ravens.
I see four teams that can beat themselves even if we aren’t functioning well.
1 team that we can bludgeon between the tackles.
and 1 team that is extremely well coached and probably not going to make a lot of mistakes.
I see four teams that can beat themselves even if we aren’t functioning well.
1 team that we can bludgeon between the tackles.
and 1 team that is extremely well coached and probably not going to make a lot of mistakes.
As to your first statement I guess if Watson had only beaten himself we wouldn't be having this problem.
WSS
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Berkowitz, speaking three hours after the ruling, reasoned that a year-long suspension was “the minimum that should have been put into place, given the seriousness of [Watson’s actions].”
“There's no length that will make up for the harm that he's done to these dozens of women,” he said. “But I think at least a year makes a pretty strong statement that this is not gonna be tolerated.”
The six games, on the other hand, “unfortunately mirrors what we experience in the criminal justice system,” Donisha Greene, the director of community engagement at the Cleveland Rape Crisis Center, said in an interview. “It sends a message to the community that those who are in a position of power and celebrity are not held accountable for their actions when they commit violence against others.”
Violence? I don't agree with the reasoning the above two people have for advocating a yearlong suspension. Behaving in a lewd manner is not rape.
Too bad The Gipper isn't around anymore to comment... Robinson had to use the NFL's version of what "violence" is, not the legal version of one. You can read the report of what was considered "violence", I'm not going to repeat it here. However, for it to be "indecent exposure" it has to be in public, but I'm not a lawyer.
Yeah, it wasn't just a "massage" it was thinly veiled prostitution. But how many other NFL players have visited The Chicken Ranch or it's equivalent multiple times in the past?
And this reeks of nth degree hypocrisy Mr. Kraft.. You got off scot free...
Too bad The Gipper isn't around anymore to comment... Robinson had to use the NFL's version of what "violence" is, not the legal version of one. You can read the report of what was considered "violence", I'm not going to repeat it here. However, for it to be "indecent exposure" it has to be in public, but I'm not a lawyer.
Yeah, it wasn't just a "massage" it was thinly veiled prostitution. But how many other NFL players have visited The Chicken Ranch or it's equivalent multiple times in the past?
And this reeks of nth degree hypocrisy Mr. Kraft.. You got off scot free...
Wow the entire league and not just Cleveland ?
Do you agree ? Even coming from Kraft.
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As I posted in Steve's thread... The NFLPA is going to come out with guns blazing in Court.... You (the NFL) want to put the hammer down on Deshaun, but Bob Kraft is caught on camera visiting a prostitute, and crickets? Suspend him for an equal number of games.
In the first place it's two different issues. A prostitutes job is to suck your weiner. A massage therapists job is to rub your back. A prostitute isn't likely to be offended if you jerk off on them. A massage therapist or a barista or a Dollar General Clerk possibly will.
WSS
In the first place it's two different issues. A prostitutes job is to suck your weiner. A massage therapists job is to rub your back. A prostitute isn't likely to be offended if you jerk off on them. A massage therapist or a barista or a Dollar General Clerk possibly will.
WSS
Not really Steve.. Part of the NFL's case against DW was conduct besmirching the "Shield". Kraft certainly did. But him and the other owners sign Goodell's pay checks. Double standard there.
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Too bad The Gipper isn't around anymore to comment... Robinson had to use the NFL's version of what "violence" is, not the legal version of one. You can read the report of what was considered "violence", I'm not going to repeat it here. However, for it to be "indecent exposure" it has to be in public, but I'm not a lawyer.
Yeah, it wasn't just a "massage" it was thinly veiled prostitution. But how many other NFL players have visited The Chicken Ranch or it's equivalent multiple times in the past?
And this reeks of nth degree hypocrisy Mr. Kraft.. You got off scot free...
Wow the entire league and not just Cleveland ?
Do you agree ? Even coming from Kraft.
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I would absolutely love to see what some of your wives and daughters would think of what some of you have written about this subject.
My wife recognizes it for what it is. Gold digging and woke mob frenzy.
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As I posted in Steve's thread... The NFLPA is going to come out with guns blazing in Court.... You (the NFL) want to put the hammer down on Deshaun, but Bob Kraft is caught on camera visiting a prostitute, and crickets? Suspend him for an equal number of games.
In the first place it's two different issues. A prostitutes job is to suck your weiner. A massage therapists job is to rub your back. A prostitute isn't likely to be offended if you jerk off on them. A massage therapist or a barista or a Dollar General Clerk possibly will.
WSS
In the first place it's two different issues. A prostitutes job is to suck your weiner. A massage therapists job is to rub your back. A prostitute isn't likely to be offended if you jerk off on them. A massage therapist or a barista or a Dollar General Clerk possibly will.
WSS
In addition to what @hoortasaid, soliciting prostitution is actually a crime in Florida, whereas whatever DW is accused of is so far from a crime, Grand Juries won't even start a trail.
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I'm not seeing the woke mob
That's because it's not a thing. It's just word salad added to something else which is tangible. If there's "A Mob" that mob is present because of a policy dispute or historical event which is real. It has no specific definition because "woke" is Whatever The Person Saying It Dislikes.
"Woke" is something stupid people say.. it's a value-free and meaning-free term that wastes both space and time.
It's the adult equivalent of the 4th grade insult "I'm not stupid, You're stupid."
I'd ask people to have the self-respect to stop using that word, but that's an insult to the people on this forum who have no self-respect.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
In the first place it's two different issues. A prostitutes job is to suck your weiner. A massage therapists job is to rub your back. A prostitute isn't likely to be offended if you jerk off on them. A massage therapist or a barista or a Dollar General Clerk possibly will.
WSS
Not really Steve.. Part of the NFL's case against DW was conduct besmirching the "Shield". Kraft certainly did. But him and the other owners sign Goodell's pay checks. Double standard there.
Not really Steve.. Part of the NFL's case against DW was conduct besmirching the "Shield". Kraft certainly did. But him and the other owners sign Goodell's pay checks. Double standard there.
That much is true. But the two situations are apples and oranges. Actually the Dan Snyder case is closer because he actually did have women filing complaints. They did come down on the Dolphins.
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