Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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https://www.aol.com/nfl-warned-deshaun-watsons-suspension-030239558.html
It was a revelation that arbitrator Sue L. Robinson delivered, sources said. It instantly established an eyebrow-raising blow to the NFL’s effort to impose a l...
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I'm not seeing the woke mob
That's because it's not a thing. It's just word salad added to something else which is tangible. If there's "A Mob" that mob is present because of a policy dispute or historical event which is real. It has no specific definition because "woke" is Whatever The Person Saying It Dislikes.
"Woke" is something stupid people say.. it's a value-free and meaning-free term that wastes both space and time.
It's the adult equivalent of the 4th grade insult "I'm not stupid, You're stupid."
I'd ask people to have the self-respect to stop using that word, but that's an insult to the people on this forum who have no self-respect.
That's because it's not a thing. It's just word salad added to something else which is tangible. If there's "A Mob" that mob is present because of a policy dispute or historical event which is real. It has no specific definition because "woke" is Whatever The Person Saying It Dislikes.
"Woke" is something stupid people say.. it's a value-free and meaning-free term that wastes both space and time.
It's the adult equivalent of the 4th grade insult "I'm not stupid, You're stupid."
I'd ask people to have the self-respect to stop using that word, but that's an insult to the people on this forum who have no self-respect.
It's used because folks like the person who said this are being told all day, every day, that the shit they disagree with is "woke culture". It's absolutely insane how much it's used in the news folks like that listen to and it clearly works.
Anywho-I don't think I'm going to disagree that this process is stupid. The fact that Goddell has the power over an arbitrator, let alone one who is a federal judge, is insane. I strongly disagree with her opinion, but that should have been the end of it for better or for worse. But, that doesn't mean what the NFL is saying is untrue. This is according to them the "most egregious" violation of the conduct policy in NFL history, and I'm inclined to agree. I could see a world where they bargain for 12 games to show 'good faith' that they will work with the NFLPA and somewhat respect the arbitrator, but I doubt it. It seems evident they want to make an example out of Watson, and I can't argue that they shouldn't.
There's no more debate to be had with any of you if you think 25+ women formed a cabal to railroad a dude for strictly money. All I can say is go listen to some Bill Cosby standup and watch a Harvery Weinstein film with your fingers in your ears.
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I'm not seeing the woke mob
That's because it's not a thing. It's just word salad added to something else which is tangible. If there's "A Mob" that mob is present because of a policy dispute or historical event which is real. It has no specific definition because "woke" is Whatever The Person Saying It Dislikes.
"Woke" is something stupid people say.. it's a value-free and meaning-free term that wastes both space and time.
It's the adult equivalent of the 4th grade insult "I'm not stupid, You're stupid."
I'd ask people to have the self-respect to stop using that word, but that's an insult to the people on this forum who have no self-respect.
That's because it's not a thing. It's just word salad added to something else which is tangible. If there's "A Mob" that mob is present because of a policy dispute or historical event which is real. It has no specific definition because "woke" is Whatever The Person Saying It Dislikes.
"Woke" is something stupid people say.. it's a value-free and meaning-free term that wastes both space and time.
It's the adult equivalent of the 4th grade insult "I'm not stupid, You're stupid."
I'd ask people to have the self-respect to stop using that word, but that's an insult to the people on this forum who have no self-respect.
Agree, Woke is something stupid people say, as in #staywoke, actually an old term brought back to life and used exclusively by the stupidity on the left side of the aisle. Anyone else using it is only to mock.
Again, I don't see the woke crowd coming to Watsons aid. No whining about "racism" or him being discriminated against.
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That's because it's not a thing. It's just word salad added to something else which is tangible. If there's "A Mob" that mob is present because of a policy dispute or historical event which is real. It has no specific definition because "woke" is Whatever The Person Saying It Dislikes.
"Woke" is something stupid people say.. it's a value-free and meaning-free term that wastes both space and time.
It's the adult equivalent of the 4th grade insult "I'm not stupid, You're stupid."
I'd ask people to have the self-respect to stop using that word, but that's an insult to the people on this forum who have no self-respect.
Agree, Woke is something stupid people say, as in #staywoke, actually an old term brought back to life and used exclusively by the stupidity on the left side of the aisle. Anyone else using it is only to mock.
Again, I don't see the woke crowd coming to Watsons aid. No whining about "racism" or him being discriminated against.
Agree, Woke is something stupid people say, as in #staywoke, actually an old term brought back to life and used exclusively by the stupidity on the left side of the aisle. Anyone else using it is only to mock.
Again, I don't see the woke crowd coming to Watsons aid. No whining about "racism" or him being discriminated against.
Your judging everyone using the term “woke” as stupid is hypocritical. There are plenty of folks on the left and some on the other side who embrace and own the term woke for themselves. That said perhaps it’s the wrong term to use here. Call it anything you like but the click bait media sensationalism and the me too crowd jumping on the bandwagon disregarding facts are continuing to escalate this. It truly is mob frenzy.
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Agree, Woke is something stupid people say, as in #staywoke, actually an old term brought back to life and used exclusively by the stupidity on the left side of the aisle. Anyone else using it is only to mock.
Again, I don't see the woke crowd coming to Watsons aid. No whining about "racism" or him being discriminated against.
Your judging everyone using the term “woke” as stupid is hypocritical. There are plenty of folks on the left and some on the other side who embrace and own the term woke for themselves. That said perhaps it’s the wrong term to use here. Call it anything you like but the click bait media sensationalism and the me too crowd jumping on the bandwagon disregarding facts are continuing to escalate this. It truly is mob frenzy.
Your judging everyone using the term “woke” as stupid is hypocritical. There are plenty of folks on the left and some on the other side who embrace and own the term woke for themselves. Whether you call it woke or mob mentality this crowd along with click bait media sensationalism are continuing to escalate this.
Just some on the other side embrace woke? Then they're stupid too, which obviously doesn't qualify me as hypocritical. The woke culture is of the left, by the left, and for the left. It seems to me being more a case of you being in denial than of me being hypocritical.
I agree with your take media sensationalism and click bait. The media been the root for much of the discord we have today.
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Your judging everyone using the term “woke” as stupid is hypocritical. There are plenty of folks on the left and some on the other side who embrace and own the term woke for themselves. Whether you call it woke or mob mentality this crowd along with click bait media sensationalism are continuing to escalate this.
Just some on the other side embrace woke? Then they're stupid too, which obviously doesn't qualify me as hypocritical. The woke culture is of the left, by the left, and for the left. It seems to me being more a case of you being in denial than of me being hypocritical.
I agree with your take media sensationalism and click bait. The media been the root for much of the discord we have today.
Just some on the other side embrace woke? Then they're stupid too, which obviously doesn't qualify me as hypocritical. The woke culture is of the left, by the left, and for the left. It seems to me being more a case of you being in denial than of me being hypocritical.
I agree with your take media sensationalism and click bait. The media been the root for much of the discord we have today.
Overall I think we agree what is going on with the outcry in the Watson situation. Our disagreement lies in the word woke and I can respect you don’t like or agree with the term or how I’ve applied it. I haven’t and won’t call you or others stupid because we disagree. I think it’s no less wrong to directly call someone stupid when their opinion differs than it is to call a broader group “woke”.
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Watson loses 1 million dollars in salary if he is suspended the entire season this year.
Watson loses 1.5 million plus for EACH GAME if he files an injunction and drags this out until next year.
No judge will rule against the CBA. It is negotiated and agreed upon by both parties.
CBA says basically that both parties could appeal to Goodell and he will use the facts from the case by Sue Robinson. She clearly found him "guilty" of violating the Personal Conduct Policy. Also, the NFL will say Watson's actions are unprecedented.
Worst thing Watson and NFLPA can do is appeal in federal court and get an injunction. He will lose a ton more money.
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Welp, he will be playing game 1....the NFLPA will now sue, injunction, then Discovery and the league will fold just like with kapernick because they don't want to give their text, emails...etc. The judge will probably be super angry the NFL brought this case to them because there's already been 2 grand juries and a retired federal judge they had an agreement with.
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Congratulations Roger, you managed to make a system look more foolish than Congress.
Take a bow douchebag.
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Welp, he will be playing game 1....the NFLPA will now sue, injunction, then Discovery and the league will fold just like with kapernick because they don't want to give their text, emails...etc. The judge will probably be super angry the NFL brought this case to them because there's already been 2 grand juries and a retired federal judge they had an agreement with.
Welp, he will be playing game 1....the NFLPA will now sue, injunction, then Discovery and the league will fold just like with kapernick because they don't want to give their text, emails...etc. The judge will probably be super angry the NFL brought this case to them because there's already been 2 grand juries and a retired federal judge they had an agreement with.
The NFLPA did not appeal the 6 game suspension.
So the debate is for week 7 this year or week 1 next year.
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Welp, he will be playing game 1....the NFLPA will now sue, injunction, then Discovery and the league will fold just like with kapernick because they don't want to give their text, emails...etc. The judge will probably be super angry the NFL brought this case to them because there's already been 2 grand juries and a retired federal judge they had an agreement with.
Welp, he will be playing game 1....the NFLPA will now sue, injunction, then Discovery and the league will fold just like with kapernick because they don't want to give their text, emails...etc. The judge will probably be super angry the NFL brought this case to them because there's already been 2 grand juries and a retired federal judge they had an agreement with.
I love gumby's comment that the NFL threw their agreed upon arbiter Sue Robinson under the bus... Because they didn't like her decision.
As I opined earlier in this thread, Goodell & the NFL had better appoint someone not affiliated with the league to hear their appeal, if they don't- in some quarters it's going to be viewed as a Kangaroo Court hellbent on imposing whatever punishment they wanted to meet out on Watson in the first place.
Anything significantly more- say 12 games or a humongous fine will certainly be challenged in Federal Court by the NFLPA.
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First six games... Panthers (A), Jets (H), Steelers (H), Falcons (A), Chargers (H), Patriots (H).
Then the fun starts with Watson's first game back on the road against the Ravens.
Some of the women's groups are not happy or satisfied with this ruling in this case or the NFL's stance on penalties involving the treatment of women.
This might not be 100% over involving some of the women involved in this and other cases.
We'll see what if anything happens next.
Some of the women's groups are not happy or satisfied with this ruling in this case or the NFL's stance on penalties involving the treatment of women.
This might not be 100% over involving some of the women involved in this and other cases.
We'll see what if anything happens next.
We know what happened. Media pressure from some commentators and outraged women's groups that the punishment was insufficient, and the socially conscious NFL couldn't fold fast enough. Ban the scumbag for life!!! Don't try and tell me that the NFL doesn't bend over backwards trying to engage women who might be vaguely interested in football. The pink Critical Catch thing is just one example.
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Just some on the other side embrace woke? Then they're stupid too, which obviously doesn't qualify me as hypocritical. The woke culture is of the left, by the left, and for the left. It seems to me being more a case of you being in denial than of me being hypocritical.
I agree with your take media sensationalism and click bait. The media been the root for much of the discord we have today.
Overall I think we agree what is going on with the outcry in the Watson situation. Our disagreement lies in the word woke and I can respect you don’t like or agree with the term or how I’ve applied it. I haven’t and won’t call you or others stupid because we disagree. I think it’s no less wrong to directly call someone stupid when their opinion differs than it is to call a broader group “woke”.
I think it’s no less wrong to directly call someone stupid when their opinion differs than it is to call a broader group “woke”
Thank you for agreeing to end your use of the word "woke" .
in some quarters it's going to be viewed as a Kangaroo Court
Not quite a Kangaroo Court.. A Woke Court! It was a long way to go but we finally got there. I'll see myself out.
The ridiculous part is that anything resembling a long suspension will definitely go to federal court - and discovery will be a female dog, hopefully as positive for NFLPA as alex jones, who will now be immortalized as a law school case study in perjury. Probably wouldn't appeal if it was 7 or 8 but I'd pull the cord even at 9.
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https://www.aol.com/nfl-warned-deshaun-watsons-suspension-030239558.html
It was a revelation that arbitrator Sue L. Robinson delivered, sources said. It instantly established an eyebrow-raising blow to the NFL’s effort to impose a l...
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https://www.aol.com/nfl-warned-deshaun-watsons-suspension-030239558.html
It was a revelation that arbitrator Sue L. Robinson delivered, sources said. It instantly established an eyebrow-raising blow to the NFL’s effort to impose a l...
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Read the article Steve. If the person hearing the appeal gives the NFL exactly what they've wanted all along, it's see you in Court. I would hope that there would be some room for compromise, like a couple extra games and a $5 million fine.
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To be honest, my thought of why this wasn't going to happen is that Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and Dan Synder can (and should) come up in the lawsuits that will be coming when they increase the suspension I'm guessing, though, the legal calculus was done insomuch they determined they could skirt around airing the owners dirty laundry out while laying the hammer down on Watson. . Make no mistake, the NFL is going to say a year or maybe indefinite and I'm not sure any legs Watson or the NFLPA have to stand on. I'd be shocked if it was less strict.
Easy decision to go get Jimmy G in my opinion. This team can win now, and big, with that dude for a year. Give up a 5th and eat most of the salary (we have room as I understand).
Any lawyers out there? It will probably start with an injunction being filed against the NFL to go pound salt. I'll use a dirty word in this Forum "Political"... What I've learned in my adventures in that sphere, the defense (in this case the NFLPA) can use a process called "discovery"... You can bet the ranch the player's association will drag up all the shit that the above owners (who are supposed to be held to a higher standard) got away with essentially scot free... I have NO doubts the NFLPA's lawyers are already working overtime at producing a mountain of paperwork that will take a judge weeks to wade through.
Any lawyers out there? It will probably start with an injunction being filed against the NFL to go pound salt. I'll use a dirty word in this Forum "Political"... What I've learned in my adventures in that sphere, the defense (in this case the NFLPA) can use a process called "discovery"... You can bet the ranch the player's association will drag up all the shit that the above owners (who are supposed to be held to a higher standard) got away with essentially scot free... I have NO doubts the NFLPA's lawyers are already working overtime at producing a mountain of paperwork that will take a judge weeks to wade through.
It's still possible that Watson and the NFL reach an agreement before anything goes to court, what you've posted certainly gives the NFL motivation to do so. From what I heard on a podcast, the NFL's minimum was 12 games + fines and Watson's maximum was 8 games. Maybe they just split the difference and agree to 10 games + a smaller fine than what the NFL wanted.
Wow. So the commissioner doesn't want to honor the CBA he signed off on.
Media pressure, particularly from profootballtalk.com, drove this. I think it makes Goodell look weak as hell
Our world just keeps on getting crazier, & it's not a good thing.
Sadly, the CBA allowed for the NFL (and the NFLPA) to appeal the ruling made by the independent judge. The NFLPA tried to make it so NFL could make the initial ruling but any appeal would go to the independent judge (as it is in MLB) but they wouldn't agree to that.
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https://www.aol.com/nfl-warned-deshaun-watsons-suspension-030239558.html
It was a revelation that arbitrator Sue L. Robinson delivered, sources said. It instantly established an eyebrow-raising blow to the NFL’s effort to impose a l...
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Read the article Steve. If the person hearing the appeal gives the NFL exactly what they've wanted all along, it's see you in Court. I would hope that there would be some room for compromise, like a couple extra games and a $5 million fine.
Read the article Steve. If the person hearing the appeal gives the NFL exactly what they've wanted all along, it's see you in Court. I would hope that there would be some room for compromise, like a couple extra games and a $5 million fine.
Could be anything.
I want 17 games and Garoppolo.
On the other hand I want a lot of s*** that I probably won't ever have. ?
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So the league has bowed to the media crying last 2 days. If I'm the Union...GAME ON...I'm playing Watson game 1. I wish the same media members had the same energy for Kraft(WHO HAD A VIDEO), Snyder, Jerry Jones, Texans FO....
So the league has bowed to the media crying last 2 days. If I'm the Union...GAME ON...I'm playing Watson game 1. I wish the same media members had the same energy for Kraft(WHO HAD A VIDEO), Snyder, Jerry Jones, Texans FO....
I wouldn't play Watson game 1... My strategy would be to sit out the 6 games... I'd rather have Watson available in the latter half of the season.. Assuming we make the playoffs...
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https://www.aol.com/nfl-warned-deshaun-watsons-suspension-030239558.html
It was a revelation that arbitrator Sue L. Robinson delivered, sources said. It instantly established an eyebrow-raising blow to the NFL’s effort to impose a l...
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Read the article Steve. If the person hearing the appeal gives the NFL exactly what they've wanted all along, it's see you in Court. I would hope that there would be some room for compromise, like a couple extra games and a $5 million fine.
Read the article Steve. If the person hearing the appeal gives the NFL exactly what they've wanted all along, it's see you in Court. I would hope that there would be some room for compromise, like a couple extra games and a $5 million fine.
Roger Goodell won’t hear the NFL’s appeal of Deshaun Watson’s six-game suspension, report says
- Updated: Aug. 04, 2022, 2:06 p.m.|
- Published: Aug. 04, 2022, 1:59 p.m.
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Apparently, Goodell has decided to appoint someone else to hear one of the most controversial and highest-profile appeals in the history of the NFL.
Florio speculated that perhaps Goodell might appoint Mary Jo White, former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, or Condoleezza Rice, the former U.S. Secretary of State and current director of the Hoover Institute at Stanford who recently became part of the Denver Broncos ownership group.
A lifelong Browns fan, Rice recently weighed on Watson’s situation...
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