Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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Just some on the other side embrace woke? Then they're stupid too, which obviously doesn't qualify me as hypocritical. The woke culture is of the left, by the left, and for the left. It seems to me being more a case of you being in denial than of me being hypocritical.
I agree with your take media sensationalism and click bait. The media been the root for much of the discord we have today.
Overall I think we agree what is going on with the outcry in the Watson situation. Our disagreement lies in the word woke and I can respect you don’t like or agree with the term or how I’ve applied it. I haven’t and won’t call you or others stupid because we disagree. I think it’s no less wrong to directly call someone stupid when their opinion differs than it is to call a broader group “woke”.
I think it’s no less wrong to directly call someone stupid when their opinion differs than it is to call a broader group “woke”
Thank you for agreeing to end your use of the word "woke" .
in some quarters it's going to be viewed as a Kangaroo Court
Not quite a Kangaroo Court.. A Woke Court! It was a long way to go but we finally got there. I'll see myself out.
The ridiculous part is that anything resembling a long suspension will definitely go to federal court - and discovery will be a female dog, hopefully as positive for NFLPA as alex jones, who will now be immortalized as a law school case study in perjury. Probably wouldn't appeal if it was 7 or 8 but I'd pull the cord even at 9.
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https://www.aol.com/nfl-warned-deshaun-watsons-suspension-030239558.html
It was a revelation that arbitrator Sue L. Robinson delivered, sources said. It instantly established an eyebrow-raising blow to the NFL’s effort to impose a l...
wSS
https://www.aol.com/nfl-warned-deshaun-watsons-suspension-030239558.html
It was a revelation that arbitrator Sue L. Robinson delivered, sources said. It instantly established an eyebrow-raising blow to the NFL’s effort to impose a l...
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Read the article Steve. If the person hearing the appeal gives the NFL exactly what they've wanted all along, it's see you in Court. I would hope that there would be some room for compromise, like a couple extra games and a $5 million fine.
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To be honest, my thought of why this wasn't going to happen is that Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and Dan Synder can (and should) come up in the lawsuits that will be coming when they increase the suspension I'm guessing, though, the legal calculus was done insomuch they determined they could skirt around airing the owners dirty laundry out while laying the hammer down on Watson. . Make no mistake, the NFL is going to say a year or maybe indefinite and I'm not sure any legs Watson or the NFLPA have to stand on. I'd be shocked if it was less strict.
Easy decision to go get Jimmy G in my opinion. This team can win now, and big, with that dude for a year. Give up a 5th and eat most of the salary (we have room as I understand).
Any lawyers out there? It will probably start with an injunction being filed against the NFL to go pound salt. I'll use a dirty word in this Forum "Political"... What I've learned in my adventures in that sphere, the defense (in this case the NFLPA) can use a process called "discovery"... You can bet the ranch the player's association will drag up all the shit that the above owners (who are supposed to be held to a higher standard) got away with essentially scot free... I have NO doubts the NFLPA's lawyers are already working overtime at producing a mountain of paperwork that will take a judge weeks to wade through.
Any lawyers out there? It will probably start with an injunction being filed against the NFL to go pound salt. I'll use a dirty word in this Forum "Political"... What I've learned in my adventures in that sphere, the defense (in this case the NFLPA) can use a process called "discovery"... You can bet the ranch the player's association will drag up all the shit that the above owners (who are supposed to be held to a higher standard) got away with essentially scot free... I have NO doubts the NFLPA's lawyers are already working overtime at producing a mountain of paperwork that will take a judge weeks to wade through.
It's still possible that Watson and the NFL reach an agreement before anything goes to court, what you've posted certainly gives the NFL motivation to do so. From what I heard on a podcast, the NFL's minimum was 12 games + fines and Watson's maximum was 8 games. Maybe they just split the difference and agree to 10 games + a smaller fine than what the NFL wanted.
Wow. So the commissioner doesn't want to honor the CBA he signed off on.
Media pressure, particularly from profootballtalk.com, drove this. I think it makes Goodell look weak as hell
Our world just keeps on getting crazier, & it's not a good thing.
Sadly, the CBA allowed for the NFL (and the NFLPA) to appeal the ruling made by the independent judge. The NFLPA tried to make it so NFL could make the initial ruling but any appeal would go to the independent judge (as it is in MLB) but they wouldn't agree to that.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
https://www.aol.com/nfl-warned-deshaun-watsons-suspension-030239558.html
It was a revelation that arbitrator Sue L. Robinson delivered, sources said. It instantly established an eyebrow-raising blow to the NFL’s effort to impose a l...
wSS
Read the article Steve. If the person hearing the appeal gives the NFL exactly what they've wanted all along, it's see you in Court. I would hope that there would be some room for compromise, like a couple extra games and a $5 million fine.
Read the article Steve. If the person hearing the appeal gives the NFL exactly what they've wanted all along, it's see you in Court. I would hope that there would be some room for compromise, like a couple extra games and a $5 million fine.
Could be anything.
I want 17 games and Garoppolo.
On the other hand I want a lot of s*** that I probably won't ever have. ?
WSS
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So the league has bowed to the media crying last 2 days. If I'm the Union...GAME ON...I'm playing Watson game 1. I wish the same media members had the same energy for Kraft(WHO HAD A VIDEO), Snyder, Jerry Jones, Texans FO....
So the league has bowed to the media crying last 2 days. If I'm the Union...GAME ON...I'm playing Watson game 1. I wish the same media members had the same energy for Kraft(WHO HAD A VIDEO), Snyder, Jerry Jones, Texans FO....
I wouldn't play Watson game 1... My strategy would be to sit out the 6 games... I'd rather have Watson available in the latter half of the season.. Assuming we make the playoffs...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
https://www.aol.com/nfl-warned-deshaun-watsons-suspension-030239558.html
It was a revelation that arbitrator Sue L. Robinson delivered, sources said. It instantly established an eyebrow-raising blow to the NFL’s effort to impose a l...
wSS
Read the article Steve. If the person hearing the appeal gives the NFL exactly what they've wanted all along, it's see you in Court. I would hope that there would be some room for compromise, like a couple extra games and a $5 million fine.
Read the article Steve. If the person hearing the appeal gives the NFL exactly what they've wanted all along, it's see you in Court. I would hope that there would be some room for compromise, like a couple extra games and a $5 million fine.
Roger Goodell won’t hear the NFL’s appeal of Deshaun Watson’s six-game suspension, report says
- Updated: Aug. 04, 2022, 2:06 p.m.|
- Published: Aug. 04, 2022, 1:59 p.m.
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Apparently, Goodell has decided to appoint someone else to hear one of the most controversial and highest-profile appeals in the history of the NFL.
Florio speculated that perhaps Goodell might appoint Mary Jo White, former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, or Condoleezza Rice, the former U.S. Secretary of State and current director of the Hoover Institute at Stanford who recently became part of the Denver Broncos ownership group.
A lifelong Browns fan, Rice recently weighed on Watson’s situation...
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Read the article Steve. If the person hearing the appeal gives the NFL exactly what they've wanted all along, it's see you in Court. I would hope that there would be some room for compromise, like a couple extra games and a $5 million fine.
Could be anything.
I want 17 games and Garoppolo.
On the other hand I want a lot of s*** that I probably won't ever have. ?
WSS
Could be anything.
I want 17 games and Garoppolo.
On the other hand I want a lot of s*** that I probably won't ever have. ?
WSS
Yeah, I wanted that drop dead beauty I had a conversation with on the Metro in Barcelona too. And I had the perfect pitch about how poor my Spanish was and then proceeded to use it for 10 minutes. But................I had to watch her leave alone anyway.?? Maybe I should have asked if she did massages.? LOL!
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Any lawyers out there? It will probably start with an injunction being filed against the NFL to go pound salt. I'll use a dirty word in this Forum "Political"... What I've learned in my adventures in that sphere, the defense (in this case the NFLPA) can use a process called "discovery"... You can bet the ranch the player's association will drag up all the shit that the above owners (who are supposed to be held to a higher standard) got away with essentially scot free... I have NO doubts the NFLPA's lawyers are already working overtime at producing a mountain of paperwork that will take a judge weeks to wade through.
It's still possible that Watson and the NFL reach an agreement before anything goes to court, what you've posted certainly gives the NFL motivation to do so. From what I heard on a podcast, the NFL's minimum was 12 games + fines and Watson's maximum was 8 games. Maybe they just split the difference and agree to 10 games + a smaller fine than what the NFL wanted.
Wow. So the commissioner doesn't want to honor the CBA he signed off on.
Media pressure, particularly from profootballtalk.com, drove this. I think it makes Goodell look weak as hell
Our world just keeps on getting crazier, & it's not a good thing.
Sadly, the CBA allowed for the NFL (and the NFLPA) to appeal the ruling made by the independent judge. The NFLPA tried to make it so NFL could make the initial ruling but any appeal would go to the independent judge (as it is in MLB) but they wouldn't agree to that.
It's still possible that Watson and the NFL reach an agreement before anything goes to court, what you've posted certainly gives the NFL motivation to do so. From what I heard on a podcast, the NFL's minimum was 12 games + fines and Watson's maximum was 8 games. Maybe they just split the difference and agree to 10 games + a smaller fine than what the NFL wanted.
Sadly, the CBA allowed for the NFL (and the NFLPA) to appeal the ruling made by the independent judge. The NFLPA tried to make it so NFL could make the initial ruling but any appeal would go to the independent judge (as it is in MLB) but they wouldn't agree to that.
I feel like the "happy medium" is for the NFL to add a fine that the two sides can agree to on top of the 6 games. This should please the majority of the folks who thought the penalty was not enough. We have to understand that a certain number of the folks are simply never going to be happy regardless of the severity of the penalty short of a lifetime ban and that's not happening. I honestly was surprised Sue Robinson offered no fine and truly wonder if that was back channel discussion with the league to give them a fine as an out.
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“there were NO clear definitions that the NFL went by in making their determinations of Watson's misbehavior... OTOH, they made it up on the fly.”Quoting Hoorta,
this is a MASSIVE problem for the NFL. If/when this goes to Court this will get picked apart. The dictator decides. Yeah okay.
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It's still possible that Watson and the NFL reach an agreement before anything goes to court, what you've posted certainly gives the NFL motivation to do so. From what I heard on a podcast, the NFL's minimum was 12 games + fines and Watson's maximum was 8 games. Maybe they just split the difference and agree to 10 games + a smaller fine than what the NFL wanted.
Sadly, the CBA allowed for the NFL (and the NFLPA) to appeal the ruling made by the independent judge. The NFLPA tried to make it so NFL could make the initial ruling but any appeal would go to the independent judge (as it is in MLB) but they wouldn't agree to that.
I feel like the "happy medium" is for the NFL to add a fine that the two sides can agree to on top of the 6 games. This should please the majority of the folks who thought the penalty was not enough. We have to understand that a certain number of the folks are simply never going to be happy regardless of the severity of the penalty short of a lifetime ban and that's not happening. I honestly was surprised Sue Robinson offered no fine and truly wonder if that was back channel discussion with the league to give them a fine as an out.
I feel like the "happy medium" is for the NFL to add a fine that the two sides can agree to on top of the 6 games. This should please the majority of the folks who thought the penalty was not enough. We have to understand that a certain number of the folks are simply never going to be happy regardless of the severity of the penalty short of a lifetime ban and that's not happening. I honestly was surprised Sue Robinson offered no fine and truly wonder if that was back channel discussion with the league to give them a fine as an out.
This is exactly how I feel.
I keep going back to the numbers… and ironically the supporters of a longer suspension do too.
you hear 66 therapist…24 or 26 cases….the masses are just eating these numbers up and seeing a monster. “Well 24 women rounded up by an ambulance chaser don’t lie”
But the grand jury heard half of those…why? NFL heard 5…no only 4…why?
And The NFL needs a lawyer to draft their personal conduct policy. It is sloppy as all hell and may do them in when they go to court
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https://www.aol.com/nfl-warned-deshaun-watsons-suspension-030239558.html
It was a revelation that arbitrator Sue L. Robinson delivered, sources said. It instantly established an eyebrow-raising blow to the NFL’s effort to impose a l...
wSS
Read the article Steve. If the person hearing the appeal gives the NFL exactly what they've wanted all along, it's see you in Court. I would hope that there would be some room for compromise, like a couple extra games and a $5 million fine.
Read the article Steve. If the person hearing the appeal gives the NFL exactly what they've wanted all along, it's see you in Court. I would hope that there would be some room for compromise, like a couple extra games and a $5 million fine.
The policy to be upheld leaves room for a higher fine. It does not leave any room for a longer suspension. 6 games plus more money it will likely be, and the NFL looking even more foolish.
If the imposed ruling were not to be in accordance with the policy, Watson's legal team has an open and shut case in court. They have the legal equivalent of a gun to the NFL's temple.
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So, here's something to consider. The NFL conducted its investigation...and passed their findings on to Judge Sue...or did they??
There have been 25 civil complaints filed; there were I believe only 24 which had been filed at the time of the investigation. Of these 24, 12 refused to talk to the NFL or in some way could not be contacted. Now, first of all what up with that? You say this man sexually violated you, traumatized you to the point you needed therapy, a career change, couldn't sleep at night, etc and you don't have a problem putting your name down in a lawsuit where you might have to testify and will almost certainly get paid $$$ , but you DON'T want to talk to the NFL, who you know full well is trying to punish to the fullest to the best of their ability the man you say sexually violated you, but there is no chance of any $$$ for you. This is your chance to strike back at the son of a bitch that violated you - and you only have to talk privately to an NFL investigator not face the accused in open court - and you take a pass? This case was ALL about numbers. Everyone says Deshaun's guilty because of how many women there were - but when it comes down to talking with investigators instead of talking to Buzbee now half of them don't have anything to say or cannot be found. Further, of the 12 they NFL DID contact, the NFL themselves didn't feel that the information they garnered in SEVEN of those cases to be I guess you'd say "helpful" to the cause of getting Deshaun indefinitely suspended. Does that mean the NFL didn't deem there was sufficient evidence in these 7 cases? Did it mean they found glaring contradictions of the assertions being made in those cases? Are there written recommendations on a case by case/woman by woman basis by the NFL investigator(s) submitted to their higher-ups/Goddell about which cases/women should be forwarded to Judge Sue and which ones should not? If the NFL is sued by the NFLPA and Deshaun Watson, would ALL of this information (not about the four cases that made it to Sue's desk, but ALL the ones that DIDN'T make it to Sue's desk and WHY they didn't make it to Sue's desk) be subpoenaed by the NFLPA? It seems to me highly suspect that Judge Sue can make the sweeping "indictments" she made about Deshaun - which, in fairness, may be totally on the money - WITHOUT considering the entire picture, which is what is up with the OTHER 20 accusers and why is the NFL withholding what they learned about them from their forwarded findings to Judge Sue? If 20 people filed civil suits claiming Deshaun was guilty of sexual impropriety and the NFL discovered many of these didn't have enough merit to be sent to the judge, shouldn't the judge and public be made of aware of those fine particulars? The judge mentioned "mitigating factors" in her report - she couldn't mention as a mitigating factor that the NFL didn't find enough merit in 20 other women's claims because the NFL didn't forward to her any information about their investigations into those 20 other women. If we had the whole entire picture, people - including the judge herself - might be feeling differently. Maybe. But we DON'T.
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Could be anything.
I want 17 games and Garoppolo.
On the other hand I want a lot of s*** that I probably won't ever have. ?
WSS
Yeah, I wanted that drop dead beauty I had a conversation with on the Metro in Barcelona too. And I had the perfect pitch about how poor my Spanish was and then proceeded to use it for 10 minutes. But................I had to watch her leave alone anyway.?? Maybe I should have asked if she did massages.? LOL!
Maybe I should have asked if she did massages
Did she offer you a senior discount??
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Maybe I should have asked if she did massages
Did she offer you a senior discount??
Did she offer you a senior discount??
Ida paid triple that rate. She was that good looking and humorously engaged in conversation about her hometown with this old fart. I think she brought out my best Spanish for sure.?
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Some of the women's groups are not happy or satisfied with this ruling in this case or the NFL's stance on penalties involving the treatment of women.
This might not be 100% over involving some of the women involved in this and other cases.
We'll see what if anything happens next.
We know what happened. Media pressure from some commentators and outraged women's groups that the punishment was insufficient, and the socially conscious NFL couldn't fold fast enough. Ban the scumbag for life!!! Don't try and tell me that the NFL doesn't bend over backwards trying to engage women who might be vaguely interested in football. The pink Critical Catch thing is just one example.
We know what happened. Media pressure from some commentators and outraged women's groups that the punishment was insufficient, and the socially conscious NFL couldn't fold fast enough. Ban the scumbag for life!!! Don't try and tell me that the NFL doesn't bend over backwards trying to engage women who might be vaguely interested in football. The pink Critical Catch thing is just one example.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Literally the only pocket of people who are outraged that he's going to get a much longer suspension is Browns fans.
Geez, I wonder why?
The Browns deserve every bit of the never-ending shit circus they brought to town ON THEMSELVES. They are not victims, they sold their souls, and they'll deal with the consequences.
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Well Goddell is smart.
He’s known the optics from Day 1
when the suspension is increased it was handed down by a member of the NFL's diversity advisory committee.
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Well Goddell is smart.
He’s known the optics from Day 1
when the suspension is increased it was handed down by a member of the NFL's diversity advisory committee.
Well Goddell is smart.
? Nah,nah, No! that had to be a typo
start over
(the business of the nfl shield has a unlimited cap space.. paying smarter people than God_ _ _ _ )
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Some of the women's groups are not happy or satisfied with this ruling in this case or the NFL's stance on penalties involving the treatment of women.
This might not be 100% over involving some of the women involved in this and other cases.
We'll see what if anything happens next.
We know what happened. Media pressure from some commentators and outraged women's groups that the punishment was insufficient, and the socially conscious NFL couldn't fold fast enough. Ban the scumbag for life!!! Don't try and tell me that the NFL doesn't bend over backwards trying to engage women who might be vaguely interested in football. The pink Critical Catch thing is just one example.
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