Liz out
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Oh yes he is divisive. And I wish he would leave the stage. But he would absolutely win the nomination in the first place. Why? Because the field is going to be packed with a big bunch of Rinos some of which running with a conservative agenda DeSantis OR running just out of Trump hate. Like Liz Chaney the two opposite type of republicans. And they will split up the vote between five or six week candidates. The only guy unlike the rest of the pack will be Donald Trump. Just like last time. As to whether he'd win the presidency I disagree with you Bob, hard to tell what the country is going to look like in 24. But if the Democrats think Joe Biden is going to be any sharper than he is after 4 years in office I think they are dreaming.
By the way Bob it's always a pleasure discussing things with you we might not be supporters of the same party but I think you try to see the other side if possible.
WSS
WSS, agree.
FYI- I unregistered as Dem January 22nd 2021, after Biden signed all those Executive Orders.
The Dems kind of lost me, (probably many others) mainly due to a too far-left campaign. I honestly don't recall them touting union rights/working rights (important to me).
This administration seems to be the worst in my lifetime (I'm 59). Combine that with a lame Congress & lobbyists, it's gridlock city in DC.
What we Americans need, and who knows if it's possible in today's divisive political arena, is some candidate to unite us....think about it, it seems there's been investigations into our Presidents or Presidential candidates since Reagan left office. A total negative vibe for nearly 40 years.
WSS, agree.
FYI- I unregistered as Dem January 22nd 2021, after Biden signed all those Executive Orders.
The Dems kind of lost me, (probably many others) mainly due to a too far-left campaign. I honestly don't recall them touting union rights/working rights (important to me).
This administration seems to be the worst in my lifetime (I'm 59). Combine that with a lame Congress & lobbyists, it's gridlock city in DC.
What we Americans need, and who knows if it's possible in today's divisive political arena, is some candidate to unite us....think about it, it seems there's been investigations into our Presidents or Presidential candidates since Reagan left office. A total negative vibe for nearly 40 years.
Sure but I wouldn't mind if one or more of the two parties would just realign some of their positions. The last Democrat I could get behind was Paul Tsongas. The constant balkanization the endless lawsuits for nothing the pandering to minorities; what a bunch of s***. Also at some point whoever makes Economic Policy needs to be able to back it up and have the party be solidly behind it. Republicans had that opportunity at the beginning of the Trump Administration. And drop the ball.
Biden Administration didn't drop the ball they walked up and handed it over.
WSS
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So the trump humper that beat Cheney went on Fox and told them Cheney never conceded. Which surprise, surprise, surprise was a lie. Cheney knowing that lying is just what trump humpers do, recorded the message and released after the nut job went on Fox. Just garbage people and you cultists just love them.
Cheney releases concession call audio in tit-for-tat with her primary foe - POLITICO
Hageman told Fox News that Cheney had “left a very brief two-second message on my cell phone” Tuesday night, without addressing “any kind of concession or anything else.” According to audio provided by the Cheney campaign to POLITICO, however, Cheney called Hageman to concede the race at 8:13 p.m. on Tuesday night.
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Audible in the recording is an aide notifying Cheney that the Associated Press had just called the race for her opponent.
“Hi, Harriet, it is Liz Cheney calling,” Cheney is heard saying in the audio. “It is about 8:13 on Tuesday the 16th, I’m calling to concede the election and congratulate you on the win. Thanks.” -
So the trump humper that beat Cheney went on Fox and told them Cheney never conceded. Which surprise, surprise, surprise was a lie. Cheney knowing that lying is just what trump humpers do, recorded the message and released after the nut job went on Fox. Just garbage people and you cultists just love them.
Cheney releases concession call audio in tit-for-tat with her primary foe - POLITICO
Hageman told Fox News that Cheney had “left a very brief two-second message on my cell phone” Tuesday night, without addressing “any kind of concession or anything else.” According to audio provided by the Cheney campaign to POLITICO, however, Cheney called Hageman to concede the race at 8:13 p.m. on Tuesday night.
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Audible in the recording is an aide notifying Cheney that the Associated Press had just called the race for her opponent.
“Hi, Harriet, it is Liz Cheney calling,” Cheney is heard saying in the audio. “It is about 8:13 on Tuesday the 16th, I’m calling to concede the election and congratulate you on the win. Thanks.”So the trump humper that beat Cheney went on Fox and told them Cheney never conceded. Which surprise, surprise, surprise was a lie. Cheney knowing that lying is just what trump humpers do, recorded the message and released after the nut job went on Fox. Just garbage people and you cultists just love them.
Cheney releases concession call audio in tit-for-tat with her primary foe - POLITICO
Hageman told Fox News that Cheney had “left a very brief two-second message on my cell phone” Tuesday night, without addressing “any kind of concession or anything else.” According to audio provided by the Cheney campaign to POLITICO, however, Cheney called Hageman to concede the race at 8:13 p.m. on Tuesday night.
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Audible in the recording is an aide notifying Cheney that the Associated Press had just called the race for her opponent.
“Hi, Harriet, it is Liz Cheney calling,” Cheney is heard saying in the audio. “It is about 8:13 on Tuesday the 16th, I’m calling to concede the election and congratulate you on the win. Thanks.”The Horror!
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I thought this was funny......
oh, come on. I didn't - and I was born a goofy comedian child. lol The issue is, there is a deep state in this country going off the wall power hungry. It's scary similar to the deadly bureaucrats in the movie and serious "Shooter".
The very popular show got yanked off the air. Think about that after you watch it, and look at what the left is doing right now.
Lizzy "lizard" cheney is a dishonest hack, a willing new member of the old rino guard and deep state.
Dick Cheney? was so old guard/deep state in the earlier years, and liz is just making her father proud - by any dumbass move she can muster. In doing so, she turned her back on all Pres Trump and AMERICA supporters, she lied and lies, voted to impeach over a complete falsehood, was a motor hate mouth on the fake Jan 6th commission...
How long has that deep state (dangerouly powerful bureaucrats that stay around forever unelected) been growing in power?
Don't know. But it is far more powerful, far more brazen, far more dangerous since we elected a NON-deep state AMERICAN President that won't let them run him. He is OUR PRESIDENT, not the deep state. So, they had to destroy him and keep him from running again, if they can.
Interesting article here, folks:
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/deep-state-russia-investigation/
Yes, The Deep State Is Real — And Working To Undermine Our Nation
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(don't miss this part if you are short on time) :
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Sabotaging Trump
No, what they're really worried about is that Nunes is right. There are highly questionable connections between officials in the Justice Department, FBI, CIA and Hillary Clinton campaign. They suggest that U.S. officials actively used their offices and taxpayer funds to sabotage Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign. If so, it's a criminal conspiracy. People should go to prison.
Yet, shockingly, while Trump ordered the "immediate declassification" of the materials, the Deep State has other ideas. Justice, the FBI and the National Intelligence director's office are slow-walking the release. They plan to redact the documents, despite Trump's lawful order.
That's the Deep State in action.
But that's not all. James O'Keefe's Project Veritas has released a secretly shot video of a leftist Department of Justice employee admitting that "she does research on the home addresses and license plates of private individuals who are then targeted for loud protests at their homes by socialist demonstrators." The employee, Allison Hrabar, was one of the people who disrupted a private dinner by Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen while she ate in a Washington, D.C. restaurant.
Hrabar reportedly used a Justice Department LexisNexis account for her research, and others apparently do too. So taxpayers are helping to fund their anti-American, pro-socialist demonstrations.
That wasn't all, however. In yet another video, a State Department employee named Stuart Karaffa, a member of the Metro DC Democratic Socialists of America, talked about engaging in his far-left politics while working as a bureaucrat-diplomat.
In the video, Trump-hater Karaffa vows to "resist everything ... every level. F#@k sh#t up!" Now that's diplomacy! Who hires these people?
Deep State 'Resistance'
Karaffa gloats about committing his crimes. And, yes, both Karaffa's and Hrabar's actions are clear violations of the federal Hatch Act. "I have nothing to lose. It's impossible to fire federal employees," he said.
He's right. No one can fire him. And there are likely dozens, if not hundreds, just like Karaffa and Hrabar — as we've seen from looking at the damning FBI and Justice Department texts sent back and forth by high-level officials at those two agencies. They embed themselves in the bureaucracies, becoming a Deep State that undermines the democratic will of the people and subverts a duly elected U.S. president to enact their own agenda."
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Really?
Cheney was sent to Congress to represent the people of Wyoming.. Basically on the strength of her father's surname.. She decided her personal vendetta was more important. They voted her out as a result.. And you find this fucked up portrayal of the Wyoming people as Nazis funny?
Really?
So I guess most of Wyoming voters are Nazi's according to MJP?
So I guess most of Wyoming voters are Nazi's according to MJP?
That's not just Wyoming that's the Trump led arm of the New Republican party, not to be confused with the old time GOP people who are talking against Trump every single day both congressmen, former congressmen and others trying to get this mess straighten out.
I hope they are successful like I said before this country works best when both sides can cooperate to do the people's business without the extremists on both sides testing our fine Republic that has lasted over 200 years. It is shaken now worse than any time since the Civil War.
i still have faith in the system but these are trying times.
......edit add, I wonder what Trump's former CFO is going to say when he testifies soon, with more to follow.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
So I guess most of Wyoming voters are Nazi's according to MJP?
That's not just Wyoming that's the Trump led arm of the New Republican party, not to be confused with the old time GOP people who are talking against Trump every single day both congressmen, former congressmen and others trying to get this mess straighten out.
I hope they are successful like I said before this country works best when both sides can cooperate to do the people's business without the extremists on both sides testing our fine Republic that has lasted over 200 years. It is shaken now worse than any time since the Civil War.
i still have faith in the system but these are trying times.
......edit add, I wonder what Trump's former CFO is going to say when he testifies soon, with more to follow.
That's not just Wyoming that's the Trump led arm of the New Republican party, not to be confused with the old time GOP people who are talking against Trump every single day both congressmen, former congressmen and others trying to get this mess straighten out.
I hope they are successful like I said before this country works best when both sides can cooperate to do the people's business without the extremists on both sides testing our fine Republic that has lasted over 200 years. It is shaken now worse than any time since the Civil War.
i still have faith in the system but these are trying times.
......edit add, I wonder what Trump's former CFO is going to say when he testifies soon, with more to follow.
She lost because she sucks, not because the voters are Nazi's. That is the democraps.
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That's not just Wyoming that's the Trump led arm of the New Republican party, not to be confused with the old time GOP people who are talking against Trump every single day both congressmen, former congressmen and others trying to get this mess straighten out.
I hope they are successful like I said before this country works best when both sides can cooperate to do the people's business without the extremists on both sides testing our fine Republic that has lasted over 200 years. It is shaken now worse than any time since the Civil War.
i still have faith in the system but these are trying times.
......edit add, I wonder what Trump's former CFO is going to say when he testifies soon, with more to follow.
She lost because she sucks, not because the voters are Nazi's. That is the democraps.
She lost because she sucks, not because the voters are Nazi's. That is the democraps.
She lost because she put her country ahead of her party and their cult leader.
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'The FBI Raid On Melania's Closet Was Justified,' Says Merrick Garland Wearing Gorgeous New Evening Gown And Sun Hat
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lizzie's camp is really a nasty, dishonest piece of work -
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No. Just the Trump money machine and how it has (unfortunately) screwed up the Republican party. They are going to be screwed up for awhile until they get back to their roots, loyal old GOP members are discussing this everyday.
This country needs a healthy Democratic and Republican party to function well not all this extremist crap on both sides that has creeped in.
Also why I don't post here too much, it's too much my way or the highway again both sides. Have a good evening to everyone.
I don't see that at all. It's the left that ridiculed even my story about nearly dying as a kid. It's the left that gives out warning points and "time out" threats every time their belligerence is met with belligerence. It's the left that trolls asinine changes in subject because they can't defend what is going on.
Things might be more fair and peaceful around here, I think - except we still have a belligerent troll or two. Nobody else here is saying "my way or the highway" honest disagreement is great.
What do you think about 78000 more irs agents? the de-iinflation bill that snuck in as a global warming tax vendetta piece?
etc?
I don't see that at all. It's the left that ridiculed even my story about nearly dying as a kid. It's the left that gives out warning points and "time out" threats every time their belligerence is met with belligerence. It's the left that trolls asinine changes in subject because they can't defend what is going on.
Things might be more fair and peaceful around here, I think - except we still have a belligerent troll or two. Nobody else here is saying "my way or the highway" honest disagreement is great.
What do you think about 78000 more irs agents? the de-iinflation bill that snuck in as a global warming tax vendetta piece?
etc?
Your paranoia is showing Cal... Let me give you the news, since you're too delusional to realize it.... Uber Moderator Steve has your back 100%+ so go ahead and spew crap from Red State or Patriot Alerts- please, ramble on freely. While you're at it, go ahead and call me a drunk, or Woody a Woodpecker... FWIW, I think with 53,000+ posts you're a major Board Hog...
Well, here is what I think. I think it is way, way, way less a divisiveness that originates with Pres Trump. The divisiveness is the democrats and the deep state. More divisive than the left in control of our government? I don't get it, Bob - polls say about 70% or 80% or more, believe we are headed in the WRONG direction.
the fbi violated our Constitution in the dirty corrupt raid on Pres Trump's home.
If they ban AR-15s whatever else - it is in violation of our Constitution/Bill of Rights. The deep state/stalinist left weaponizing the fbi, doj, irs, dhs, epa to harass and ruin convervative groups......
etc etc etc.
So sorry delusional one... the Deep State is a figment of your imagination.. Just like Pizzagate was real. The FBI caught your hero with documents that he had no business having. And he even admitted to multiple people he had them....
2024... Will that be 20, 2, or 4 years in prison? I'll repost the suicide prevention # for you when he gets indicted for violation of three different federal statues.
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Mark Levin: "They Have Nothing On Trump," So They Did This "Maoist, Stalinist" Raid
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Interesting, I used "gestapo" and "stalinist" before I read articles saying the same thing. and everybody knows I've said "obaMAO" for years.
now, the obaMao/biden fbi - is going stalinist, and maoist.
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"MARK LEVIN: Now, this is day 3 on my national radio show here, on FOX on two appearances on Hannity, and of course on Levin TV, that what's going on here is even worse than overreaching on a document or documents.
This was a sleazy, backdoor effort by this U.S. Attorney and the Attorney General of the United States and the director of the FBI, among others, at the Department of Politburo, to abuse the warrant process against the next president, who might be a future president, to protect their boss Joe Biden from a Trump candidacy.
To carry out the demands of Democrats in Congress and Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, to carry out the demands of the media and the Democratic base. This was a sleazy, Stalinist, Maoist effort to abuse the search warrant process for 9 damn hours in that building, as if there's classified information in Melania's closet. That's what took place here.
They have nothing on Trump, nothing related to January 6, nothing, and so they've turned the law upside down. They're using a warrant for a different purpose, not the purpose they state, but a different purpose because they're aware of the Plain View Doctrine, obviously they do this stuff every day.
This was a way to get their hands on anything and everything they could at the president's home now. That is what should infuriate you. That is what should infuriate every Republican in Congress or out of Congress, that's is what should infuriate every American. That this is a grave abuse of power, a grave abuse of the warrant process, and let us be clear, the media are reporting that it's the Department of Justice that's going to court to unseal the warrant.
No, there are many media groups and Judicial Watch who got there first. And they have said to the judge to release the warrant, and the judge already told the Department of Justice they have until Monday to explain why he shouldn't. And so, the Attorney General, in another sleazy P.R. move announces today that they are encouraging the judge to release the warrant.
Now the problem is we don't know exactly what that means.
You've heard them [say] there's an affidavit that goes with the warrant. Somebody had to swear it. A warrant is a form, that in and of itself is not good enough. It gives us a little information, not enough. The receipt is a list of what they took, as far as we know, it could be box one, two, three, four, five, six. I don't believe they were there long enough, even 9 hours, long enough tough issue what which had documents they were looking at. We shall see. But I am telling you this is explosive. " -
7 days agoThe FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago was an abuse of prosecutorial discretion and a violation of the Fourth Amendment. It reveals political bias. Under the Fourth Amendment, a search warrant may only be issued from a court upon the establishment of "probable cause.". Under his Article II powers as Commander-in-Chief, the former president while still ...
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so, that makes dirty lizzie a stinking liar, the fbi and doj a corrupt farce, and the jan 6 commission a stupid fake "investigation"."russian collusion" in anybody's face that keeps getting thrilled by these garbage poltiical hack jobs - that come up with absolutely nothing.
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7 days agoThe FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago was an abuse of prosecutorial discretion and a violation of the Fourth Amendment. It reveals political bias. Under the Fourth Amendment, a search warrant may only be issued from a court upon the establishment of "probable cause.". Under his Article II powers as Commander-in-Chief, the former president while still ...7 days agoThe FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago was an abuse of prosecutorial discretion and a violation of the Fourth Amendment. It reveals political bias. Under the Fourth Amendment, a search warrant may only be issued from a court upon the establishment of "probable cause.". Under his Article II powers as Commander-in-Chief, the former president while still ...
What part of probable cause don't you understand? Not some fanciful right wing bullshit that's not going to stand up in court.
And BTW, there's certain documents Orangie couldn't declassify just by waving his hand over them. And declassified or not, he had no right to them once he left office. Delusion on.
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The president's detractors in Congress, the DOJ, and the intelligence community are likely to contest the president's arguments. But officials familiar with national security law said courts generally have held the president's power to declassify is far-reaching and that the process for how that happens can be more happenstance, something the Bush and Obama executive orders from 2003 and 2009 made clear.
Obama's executive order no. 13526, issued in 2009, laid out the stringent process all federal officials and agencies needed to follow for declassification, but explicitly exempted the sitting president and vice president from having to follow those procedures.
"Information originated by the incumbent President or the incumbent Vice President; the incumbent President’s White House Staff or the incumbent Vice President’s Staff; committees, commissions, or boards appointed by the incumbent President; or other entities within the Executive Office of the President that solely advise and assist the incumbent President is exempted from the provisions of paragraph (a) of this section," the Obama order stated.
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“Officials familiar with national security law said courts generally have held the president’s power to declassify is far-reaching and that the process for how that happens can be more happenstance, something the Bush and Obama executive orders from 2003 and 2009 made clear.”
(John Solomon – Just the News) Donald Trump’s office told Just the News on Friday that the classified materials the FBI seized from his Mar-a-Lago estate were declassified under a “standing order” while he was president that allowed him to take sensitive materials to the White House residence at night to keep working.
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