Watson Suspended for 11 Games and Fined $5 Million / and a bit OT and back.
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It's finally over. By the first week of December, when Watson comes back, I predict this will all be forgotten because by then they'll be another NFL fiasco to be talked about.
it won't be forgotten by a lot of folks who are disgusted with all this.
it won't be forgotten by a lot of folks who are disgusted with all this.
Yes it will.
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Not to be a buzz kill. As much as people keep talking about all of the talent on this team, neither of the 1st 2 teams Amari Cooper played for kept him around for another contract. DPJ remains untapped despite what that long hook-up for a TD vrs Cincy showed. I like his 17.56 yards a catch. Schwartz is still the same waste of time he was last year. This is supposed to be a TE friendly offense and yet Hooper was a big disappointment. Njoku got a huge contract for his improvement; but this was a 1st round pick that hasn't given this team anything close to the consistency/reliability a guy like Travis Kelce has provided even before Mahomes arrived.
So, how do the Browns do when/if all they can do is run the ball vrs opponents that are well prepared for this reality? If we have nothing to fear on the perimeter, this doesn't help whoever is playing QB.
I think when we talk about talent, the primary in mind are the things that make a team competitive...
- strength in the trenches
- running game
Save for my concerns about the IDL, the Browns have a pair of the best guards in the NFL and a functional set of tackles. That's not including Conklin coming back and being healthy (dear god, please)
We also have a great pass rush, and our running game speaks for itself.
Jacoby hasn't been part of a team as a starter with that sort of blessing since his time in New England, and even then they have more role players than dominant individual skill players. And yes, Miami's Oline was pretty spotty.
Cooper, despite being traded to the cowboys and then us, is still a pretty proven vertical commodity. DPJ is an enigma that I'm hoping catches on. And Njoku was an athlete who is finally flashing glimpses of the complete player we've been hoping he'd grow into. The last 3 years, his drop rates have all declined significantly, his blocking both inline and on the perimeter has improved as well. I believe it's not a giant leap of faith to say he can produce more when we have an offense that is QB and volume centric. Which we won't see probably until this time next year.
So there is a bit of projection on the talent available here. But not such a stretch to say it isn't a reality that can be realized.
To me, David Bell is the gear that could make this engine really go in time. He just has that pro style look to his game where, nothing he does is flashy, but he consistently wins his routes and gives his QB a friend at almost every level of the field between his footwork, height and hands.
Schwartz is a luxury. If he develops, that's great. If not, I would consider him on punt returns and possibly making him a weapon for field position. But if I can't trust you to catch, then I can't trust you to field returns cleanly.
I think when we talk about talent, the primary in mind are the things that make a team competitive...
- strength in the trenches
- running game
Save for my concerns about the IDL, the Browns have a pair of the best guards in the NFL and a functional set of tackles. That's not including Conklin coming back and being healthy (dear god, please)
We also have a great pass rush, and our running game speaks for itself.
Jacoby hasn't been part of a team as a starter with that sort of blessing since his time in New England, and even then they have more role players than dominant individual skill players. And yes, Miami's Oline was pretty spotty.
Cooper, despite being traded to the cowboys and then us, is still a pretty proven vertical commodity. DPJ is an enigma that I'm hoping catches on. And Njoku was an athlete who is finally flashing glimpses of the complete player we've been hoping he'd grow into. The last 3 years, his drop rates have all declined significantly, his blocking both inline and on the perimeter has improved as well. I believe it's not a giant leap of faith to say he can produce more when we have an offense that is QB and volume centric. Which we won't see probably until this time next year.
So there is a bit of projection on the talent available here. But not such a stretch to say it isn't a reality that can be realized.
To me, David Bell is the gear that could make this engine really go in time. He just has that pro style look to his game where, nothing he does is flashy, but he consistently wins his routes and gives his QB a friend at almost every level of the field between his footwork, height and hands.
Schwartz is a luxury. If he develops, that's great. If not, I would consider him on punt returns and possibly making him a weapon for field position. But if I can't trust you to catch, then I can't trust you to field returns cleanly.
I’m interested to see how much room we give Jacoby. For instance, if we start 0-2 and his play just “meh”. Do we make a move for a guy like Jimmy G. Or just start trading away guys on short term deals prior to the deadline and essentially punting this year. Lots of parallels to the Niner offense and our offense. Maybe pressure to win now with some of the “vets” on this team
If we can’t competently gameplan against Baker and beat Flacco and the Jets at Home it is onto 2023. Enjoy the Buckeyes and have no expectations on Sunday. So I’m obviously for purging short term assets.
We have the same coaching staff now three straight years we have to and should come out swinging
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I'm expecting the Browns to play a lot better than most are. I know I'm sick and tired of Watson's baggage and the players are no different, so it should be an us vs everyone mentality.
Jacoby will manage the games just fine and surprise a lot of people. I'm expecting similar results from a healthy Baker, just with less peaks and less valleys.
Kevin needs to call better games this season both in terms of plays and game day Head Coach decisions... time to pull up your big boy panties there Mr. Dreamy.
I'm expecting the Browns to be in every game deep into the 4th, and that's good enough for me.
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I don’t believe the decision to bring DW to Cleveland falls squarely on the shoulders of AB. I think this whole thing reeks of Jimmah sticking his nose into the football decisions once again.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I don’t believe the decision to bring DW to Cleveland falls squarely on the shoulders of AB. I think this whole thing reeks of Jimmah sticking his nose into the football decisions once again.
I don’t believe the decision to bring DW to Cleveland falls squarely on the shoulders of AB. I think this whole thing reeks of Jimmah sticking his nose into the football decisions once again.
Well they didn’t care for Baker so if the Watson option was out there you think AB and Stefanski weren’t on board?
When you get past the how someone should act off the field- Watson has an elite skill set.Meanwhile, we’ve learned that Wilson gave us the middle finger.
So what is an organization to do at the most important spot when you have a window of opportunity closing?
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Ok, it's been settled, punishment has been doled out. So how long are the people going to hold on to this? How many snarky comments about Watson do I have to read on anything Browns related that don't have anything to do with Watson? Because we all know how many perfect people there are out there with nothing to hide.
Just because its settled it does not mean we have to like the sleazeball..
Just because its settled it does not mean we have to like the sleazeball..
You're right. I guess there are things that we can't help like you being a crybaby dickwad about every little thing. I bet you will be in the crowd to boo him at Browns stadium when he comes back for his first game because we all know your shit doesn't stink.
I just want to get back to Browns football.
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I think when we talk about talent, the primary in mind are the things that make a team competitive...
- strength in the trenches
- running game
Save for my concerns about the IDL, the Browns have a pair of the best guards in the NFL and a functional set of tackles. That's not including Conklin coming back and being healthy (dear god, please)
We also have a great pass rush, and our running game speaks for itself.
Jacoby hasn't been part of a team as a starter with that sort of blessing since his time in New England, and even then they have more role players than dominant individual skill players. And yes, Miami's Oline was pretty spotty.
Cooper, despite being traded to the cowboys and then us, is still a pretty proven vertical commodity. DPJ is an enigma that I'm hoping catches on. And Njoku was an athlete who is finally flashing glimpses of the complete player we've been hoping he'd grow into. The last 3 years, his drop rates have all declined significantly, his blocking both inline and on the perimeter has improved as well. I believe it's not a giant leap of faith to say he can produce more when we have an offense that is QB and volume centric. Which we won't see probably until this time next year.
So there is a bit of projection on the talent available here. But not such a stretch to say it isn't a reality that can be realized.
To me, David Bell is the gear that could make this engine really go in time. He just has that pro style look to his game where, nothing he does is flashy, but he consistently wins his routes and gives his QB a friend at almost every level of the field between his footwork, height and hands.
Schwartz is a luxury. If he develops, that's great. If not, I would consider him on punt returns and possibly making him a weapon for field position. But if I can't trust you to catch, then I can't trust you to field returns cleanly.
I’m interested to see how much room we give Jacoby. For instance, if we start 0-2 and his play just “meh”. Do we make a move for a guy like Jimmy G. Or just start trading away guys on short term deals prior to the deadline and essentially punting this year. Lots of parallels to the Niner offense and our offense. Maybe pressure to win now with some of the “vets” on this team
If we can’t competently gameplan against Baker and beat Flacco and the Jets at Home it is onto 2023. Enjoy the Buckeyes and have no expectations on Sunday. So I’m obviously for purging short term assets.
We have the same coaching staff now three straight years we have to and should come out swinging
I’m interested to see how much room we give Jacoby. For instance, if we start 0-2 and his play just “meh”. Do we make a move for a guy like Jimmy G. Or just start trading away guys on short term deals prior to the deadline and essentially punting this year. Lots of parallels to the Niner offense and our offense. Maybe pressure to win now with some of the “vets” on this team
If we can’t competently gameplan against Baker and beat Flacco and the Jets at Home it is onto 2023. Enjoy the Buckeyes and have no expectations on Sunday. So I’m obviously for purging short term assets.
We have the same coaching staff now three straight years we have to and should come out swinging
Only way this team makes a move for Jimmy G is if San Fran eats a ton of the contract along with Jacoby looking functionally retarded. (Not PC there)
3 weeks from the start of the season, would be smarter getting Brisset all the reps now and, like you said, come out swinging. If this team gets a QB that throws 61-62% and minimizes turnovers, .500 ball is very do-able.
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I want to see more of QB Josh Dobbs. I was impressed with the first pre-season game. Very bright guy with a degree in Aerospace Engineering from Tenn. And he can run like a deer. We got nothin' to lose by seeing what he can bring to the table.
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Until the day he's no longer a Cleveland Brown. I'm not a perfect person and have a few skeletons in my closet, but I also didn't have a quarter hundred women accuse me of sexual violence and misconduct. I'm truly baffled that's so hard for people to understand.
I'm not suggesting most people, even for heinous crimes, don't deserve some sort of second chance. But that doesn't mean I will ever forget, be happy, or root for this POS.
That's just it, they are accusations. He was never convicted of a crime. To me it looks like another classic example of a young man that has access to tons of money and fame and doesn't know what to do with it and made some stupid mistakes and people are looking to cash in. Just hope he learned his lesson.
That's just it, they are accusations. He was never convicted of a crime. To me it looks like another classic example of a young man that has access to tons of money and fame and doesn't know what to do with it and made some stupid mistakes and people are looking to cash in. Just hope he learned his lesson.
and there's nothing more I can say to you if you think 66 massages that he actively sought out and 25 women accusing him of sexual misconduct is a 'stupid mistake'. Forgetting your lunch at home is a stupid mistake. Having one too many beers and throwing up is a stupid mistake. This is a willing and able piece of shit.
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11 games to many.
It's all kind of crazy, -0- games ? 5 games ? 11 ? 17 ? More ?
And stop and think what individual that you know of has been fined $5,000,000 and can pay it like you'd pay a speeding ticket.....courtesy of our Cleveland BROWNS thank you.
And he will be forever branded a freak-o person wearing a Cleveland BROWNS starting quarterback uniform on every snap -or- just ev everyday all 365.
Makes me sick about the whole sordid story.
think what individual that you know of has been fined
Just a public service reminder that Watson was paid his $10.5m salary in 2021.
Think of it more as half what he was paid to watch Netflix last year.. and, apparently, eat lobster dip, because he did look a few fried chickens heavier than he was in 2020. Hopefully he's got a few dozen windsprint sessions scheduled between now and week 11..
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That's just it, they are accusations. He was never convicted of a crime. To me it looks like another classic example of a young man that has access to tons of money and fame and doesn't know what to do with it and made some stupid mistakes and people are looking to cash in. Just hope he learned his lesson.
and there's nothing more I can say to you if you think 66 massages that he actively sought out and 25 women accusing him of sexual misconduct is a 'stupid mistake'. Forgetting your lunch at home is a stupid mistake. Having one too many beers and throwing up is a stupid mistake. This is a willing and able piece of shit.
and there's nothing more I can say to you
Shouldn't be hard considering you didn't say much to begin with.
This is a willing and able piece of shit.
Well if he makes you cry on the inside there are other things to do in the fall.
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I don’t believe the decision to bring DW to Cleveland falls squarely on the shoulders of AB. I think this whole thing reeks of Jimmah sticking his nose into the football decisions once again.
Well they didn’t care for Baker so if the Watson option was out there you think AB and Stefanski weren’t on board?
When you get past the how someone should act off the field- Watson has an elite skill set.Meanwhile, we’ve learned that Wilson gave us the middle finger.
So what is an organization to do at the most important spot when you have a window of opportunity closing?
So what is an organization to do at the most important spot when you have a window of opportunity closing?
That window is closing fast, and the Browns pushed all of the chips in the middle of the table.
If they don’t win big this year, that open window gets smaller and smaller with each passing season.
I have a feeling the Browns go bust on this gamble and the team is set back several years.
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So what is an organization to do at the most important spot when you have a window of opportunity closing?
That window is closing fast, and the Browns pushed all of the chips in the middle of the table.
If they don’t win big this year, that open window gets smaller and smaller with each passing season.
I have a feeling the Browns go bust on this gamble and the team is set back several years.
That window is closing fast, and the Browns pushed all of the chips in the middle of the table.
If they don’t win big this year, that open window gets smaller and smaller with each passing season.
I have a feeling the Browns go bust on this gamble and the team is set back several years.
Rodgers, Wilson - pipe dreams.
Watson - potential baggage elite skill set
Jimmy G. - very slight baker upgrade
2022 Draft QB class- disappointing
can you think of anyone else?
The roster is ready and you have key components in their prime years.
Were you on board with the Baker Mayfield rollercoaster ride?
Im saying all this because Its not far from thinking AB and Stefanski didn’t co-sign the deal with Watson. Don’t act like this is all Haslem
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That window is closing fast, and the Browns pushed all of the chips in the middle of the table.
If they don’t win big this year, that open window gets smaller and smaller with each passing season.
I have a feeling the Browns go bust on this gamble and the team is set back several years.
Rodgers, Wilson - pipe dreams.
Watson - potential baggage elite skill set
Jimmy G. - very slight baker upgrade
2022 Draft QB class- disappointing
can you think of anyone else?
The roster is ready and you have key components in their prime years.
Were you on board with the Baker Mayfield rollercoaster ride?
Im saying all this because Its not far from thinking AB and Stefanski didn’t co-sign the deal with Watson. Don’t act like this is all Haslem
Rodgers, Wilson - pipe dreams.
Watson - potential baggage elite skill set
Jimmy G. - very slight baker upgrade
2022 Draft QB class- disappointing
can you think of anyone else?
Matt Ryan is killing it at Colts camp..
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That's just it, they are accusations. He was never convicted of a crime. To me it looks like another classic example of a young man that has access to tons of money and fame and doesn't know what to do with it and made some stupid mistakes and people are looking to cash in. Just hope he learned his lesson.
and there's nothing more I can say to you if you think 66 massages that he actively sought out and 25 women accusing him of sexual misconduct is a 'stupid mistake'. Forgetting your lunch at home is a stupid mistake. Having one too many beers and throwing up is a stupid mistake. This is a willing and able piece of shit.
if you think
And.. if you think 2 different grand juries failing to indict him assuming all the evidence is true was entirely a nothingburger I really don't know why you keep repeating ..
Fact: Grand juries start with the premise that if evidence is introduced, it's true. The purpose of a grand jury is to answer a [relatively] simple question.. IF the evidence is true, is this enough to move forward? Here's the law/the standard in one hand, here's our evidence in the other. Do they match.. that's it. Conviction isn't a consideration.
Prosecution swung and missed --- because there literally isn't a thing here.
and 25 women accusing
And what were they saying?
If a person works 25 jobs each for 1 year, they had 1 year of experience 25 times. Point being that the felony requires something substantial to happen, and running up the score on the number arranged doesn't get to the things that would be a felony.
The grand jury is just as much a "Jury Of Peers" as a trial jury is ---- grand jury actually views more evidence against the defendant because a defense attorney is going to strike, rule out etc many pieces from the trial jury as compared to the grand jury.
And both of the grand juries said no dice. These are Texas grand juries.. the state with the highest prison population in the US.
This makes me think they don't have the goods.
I spent months of my life on a grand jury.. this isn't random, I've been there.
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I don’t believe the decision to bring DW to Cleveland falls squarely on the shoulders of AB. I think this whole thing reeks of Jimmah sticking his nose into the football decisions once again.
don’t believe the decision to bring DW to Cleveland falls squarely on the shoulders of AB. I think this whole thing reeks of Jimmah sticking his nose into the football decisions once again.
That's an easy conclusion to come to. I'd like to know what DePodesta thought/thinks about making the trade.
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Rodgers, Wilson - pipe dreams.
Watson - potential baggage elite skill set
Jimmy G. - very slight baker upgrade
2022 Draft QB class- disappointing
can you think of anyone else?
Matt Ryan is killing it at Colts camp..
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Rodgers, Wilson - pipe dreams.
Watson - potential baggage elite skill set
Jimmy G. - very slight baker upgrade
2022 Draft QB class- disappointing
can you think of anyone else?
Matt Ryan is killing it at Colts camp..
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As for the prospect of Jacoby doing really well making the decision to sit him down a difficult one:
No doubt this is a conspiracy theory but I would not be shocked if Jimmy Haslam ordered Stefanski to stay away from plays that might make Brissett look too good.
BTW a little more of the same
https://www.audacy.com/theteam980/sports/florio-watsons-new-denials-could-compromise-reinstatement
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