Tale of the Tape - Browns @ Panthers
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"Brissett has almost everything you want in a quarterback: the size, the big arm, and a good grasp on how to play the position. There’s just one problem: His accuracy is horrendous. That may sound a little harsh, but I can’t think of a more appropriate word to describe it. Brissett just can’t get the ball to go where he wants it to. His poor aim and cavalier decision-making leads to some ugly interceptions, which makes it hard for any coaching staff to trust him."
His poor aim and cavalier decision-making leads to some ugly interceptions, which makes it hard for any coaching staff to trust him."
But the not trusting the QB is something that I don't think is new to this year. When we're up on teams, Stef does everything he can to take the ball out of Baker's hands. I know we have a good running game, and it's the thing to do to run the clock down, but Stef seems to take it to another level to keep his QB (Baker) from throwing the ball. And I'll bet that'll be his plan with Brissette. Mix things up early on...and if ya can get a lead, milk it for the whole 2nd half. Run, punt, and play D until either the clock runs out or you are forced to do something else.
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His poor aim and cavalier decision-making leads to some ugly interceptions, which makes it hard for any coaching staff to trust him."
But the not trusting the QB is something that I don't think is new to this year. When we're up on teams, Stef does everything he can to take the ball out of Baker's hands. I know we have a good running game, and it's the thing to do to run the clock down, but Stef seems to take it to another level to keep his QB (Baker) from throwing the ball. And I'll bet that'll be his plan with Brissette. Mix things up early on...and if ya can get a lead, milk it for the whole 2nd half. Run, punt, and play D until either the clock runs out or you are forced to do something else.
But the not trusting the QB is something that I don't think is new to this year. When we're up on teams, Stef does everything he can to take the ball out of Baker's hands. I know we have a good running game, and it's the thing to do to run the clock down, but Stef seems to take it to another level to keep his QB (Baker) from throwing the ball. And I'll bet that'll be his plan with Brissette. Mix things up early on...and if ya can get a lead, milk it for the whole 2nd half. Run, punt, and play D until either the clock runs out or you are forced to do something else.
Then were no better off than last year...
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It's going to be a great game to watch - so tough to predict, so many questions.
Offhand, I think the Brown's running game won't dominate the game at all. The browns passing game -
who knows - the Panthers' secondary is going to be greatly improved, I think, and the qb facing them isn't known for his accuracy. With new wr's, who knows how that will go.
With the Panther's oline greatly improved, qb greatly improved, with TE's being very, very solid blockers, with
McCaffery healthy sp?, I think it's offense - Panthers advantage, regardless of the outstanding duo at rb.
Defense - the Panthers are very much improved, and they were excellent early on last year vs the run, etc.
Defense - don't know advantage for browns or not. It's complicated. Might be a great game for the browns defense...or not.
The biggest problem I predict is Stefanski for the browns.
The biggest advantage for the Panthers is improvements on offense....
and more importantly, Ben McAdoo. OC. he is far more brilliant that Stefanski, with far more experience.
without turnovers dooming one team or the other, I think the Panthers win based on players added and returning from injury, improved defense, and then McAdoo, I think, makes the major difference for the win.
Just my guess - with qb accuracy a definite advantage with Baker healthy - and a more attacking offense, unpredictable offense by Carolina - it's going to be a fascinating game to watch. Carolina wins. I think. Who knows.
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It's going to be a great game to watch - so tough to predict, so many questions.
Offhand, I think the Brown's running game won't dominate the game at all. The browns passing game -
who knows - the Panthers' secondary is going to be greatly improved, I think, and the qb facing them isn't known for his accuracy. With new wr's, who knows how that will go.
With the Panther's oline greatly improved, qb greatly improved, with TE's being very, very solid blockers, with
McCaffery healthy sp?, I think it's offense - Panthers advantage, regardless of the outstanding duo at rb.
Defense - the Panthers are very much improved, and they were excellent early on last year vs the run, etc.
Defense - don't know advantage for browns or not. It's complicated. Might be a great game for the browns defense...or not.
The biggest problem I predict is Stefanski for the browns.
The biggest advantage for the Panthers is improvements on offense....
and more importantly, Ben McAdoo. OC. he is far more brilliant that Stefanski, with far more experience.
without turnovers dooming one team or the other, I think the Panthers win based on players added and returning from injury, improved defense, and then McAdoo, I think, makes the major difference for the win.
Just my guess - with qb accuracy a definite advantage with Baker healthy - and a more attacking offense, unpredictable offense by Carolina - it's going to be a fascinating game to watch. Carolina wins. I think. Who knows.
It's going to be a great game to watch - so tough to predict, so many questions.
Offhand, I think the Brown's running game won't dominate the game at all. The browns passing game -
who knows - the Panthers' secondary is going to be greatly improved, I think, and the qb facing them isn't known for his accuracy. With new wr's, who knows how that will go.
With the Panther's oline greatly improved, qb greatly improved, with TE's being very, very solid blockers, with
McCaffery healthy sp?, I think it's offense - Panthers advantage, regardless of the outstanding duo at rb.
Defense - the Panthers are very much improved, and they were excellent early on last year vs the run, etc.
Defense - don't know advantage for browns or not. It's complicated. Might be a great game for the browns defense...or not.
The biggest problem I predict is Stefanski for the browns.
The biggest advantage for the Panthers is improvements on offense....
and more importantly, Ben McAdoo. OC. he is far more brilliant that Stefanski, with far more experience.
without turnovers dooming one team or the other, I think the Panthers win based on players added and returning from injury, improved defense, and then McAdoo, I think, makes the major difference for the win.
Just my guess - with qb accuracy a definite advantage with Baker healthy - and a more attacking offense, unpredictable offense by Carolina - it's going to be a fascinating game to watch. Carolina wins. I think. Who knows.
You lost me way at the top and then you made my head spin when you put McAdoo doo and brilliant in the same sentence. He does have far more experience…running franchises into the ground
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It's going to be a great game to watch - so tough to predict, so many questions.
Offhand, I think the Brown's running game won't dominate the game at all. The browns passing game -
who knows - the Panthers' secondary is going to be greatly improved, I think, and the qb facing them isn't known for his accuracy. With new wr's, who knows how that will go.
With the Panther's oline greatly improved, qb greatly improved, with TE's being very, very solid blockers, with
McCaffery healthy sp?, I think it's offense - Panthers advantage, regardless of the outstanding duo at rb.
Defense - the Panthers are very much improved, and they were excellent early on last year vs the run, etc.
Defense - don't know advantage for browns or not. It's complicated. Might be a great game for the browns defense...or not.
The biggest problem I predict is Stefanski for the browns.
The biggest advantage for the Panthers is improvements on offense....
and more importantly, Ben McAdoo. OC. he is far more brilliant that Stefanski, with far more experience.
without turnovers dooming one team or the other, I think the Panthers win based on players added and returning from injury, improved defense, and then McAdoo, I think, makes the major difference for the win.
Just my guess - with qb accuracy a definite advantage with Baker healthy - and a more attacking offense, unpredictable offense by Carolina - it's going to be a fascinating game to watch. Carolina wins. I think. Who knows.
You lost me way at the top and then you made my head spin when you put McAdoo doo and brilliant in the same sentence. He does have far more experience…running franchises into the ground
You lost me way at the top and then you made my head spin when you put McAdoo doo and brilliant in the same sentence. He does have far more experience…running franchises into the ground
McAdoo is bungling idiot!... I remember Shep loved him.. LOL!
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I hear the NFL Network talking heads raving about this explosive Carolina offense…I don’t see it week 1.
The smart game plan is rolling away from Myles, short quick pass game to CMC, maybe catching us off guard up the middle on pass downs with running plays and isolating their TE against our backer not named JOK
What most non-local media whiffs on? is not talking enough about the Panthers overall #2 ranked defense of last season..
The Panthers lead the league in net passing yards per game (173.7 yards), they're fourth in the league in third-down percentage allowed (33.1 percent) and tied for fourth in the league in sacks (27).
But they're still somewhat susceptible to teams who want to body them up and run the ball, the way the Cowboys and Vikings did. They rank 12th in the league in rushing yards allowed per game (107.0), numbers that got out of whack in a few games. The Cowboys ran for 245, the Vikings 198, and the Patriots 151. In half of their games, they've held opponents to fewer than 82 rushing yards, and under 50 three times.
DT Derrick Brown left the last preseason game with an oblique injury << good news if* he's limited.. the only major Panthers loss on a good defense from last season? Haason Reddick is now a Eagle
The Browns defense will need good LB/DB play Sunday with McCaffrey catching Baker's underneath dink passes..I'd almost prefer Woods shading a quicker Jacob Phillips/JOK combo to shade McCaffery over the slower lateral movements of A. Walker jr... I'd even bang Emerson into McCaffery if he splits outside.. Our Safety group better come ready to swarm tackle
Sure hasn't looked that good on film in the pre-season.
Agreed..He does not look ready for the outside corner bend that 95 brings.. call the holds zebras..
What most non-local media whiffs on? is not talking enough about the Panthers overall #2 ranked defense of last season..
The Panthers lead the league in net passing yards per game (173.7 yards), they're fourth in the league in third-down percentage allowed (33.1 percent) and tied for fourth in the league in sacks (27).
But they're still somewhat susceptible to teams who want to body them up and run the ball, the way the Cowboys and Vikings did. They rank 12th in the league in rushing yards allowed per game (107.0), numbers that got out of whack in a few games. The Cowboys ran for 245, the Vikings 198, and the Patriots 151. In half of their games, they've held opponents to fewer than 82 rushing yards, and under 50 three times.
DT Derrick Brown left the last preseason game with an oblique injury << good news if* he's limited.. the only major Panthers loss on a good defense from last season? Haason Reddick is now a Eagle
The Browns defense will need good LB/DB play Sunday with McCaffrey catching Baker's underneath dink passes..I'd almost prefer Woods shading a quicker Jacob Phillips/JOK combo to shade McCaffery over the slower lateral movements of A. Walker jr... I'd even bang Emerson into McCaffery if he splits outside.. Our Safety group better come ready to swarm tackle
Agreed..He does not look ready for the outside corner bend that 95 brings.. call the holds zebras..
Even though they were 4th against the pass, they ranked tied for 26th with INTs; tied for 15th with sacks; tied for 29th in turnover differential; 18th against the run; and 21st at points allowed. Looks to me like their offense kept them on the field way too much for fresh legs; and much of that was without their biggest playmaker and scoring weapon.
Our biggest challenge is matching up with McCaffrey in the short passing game; and what the plans to do so creates for others in that offense. All that said, the Browns definitely have the defensive personnel to handle that consistently enough to win. Now, we add the running game and ball control offense the Browns will bring to this matchup to win the time of possession battle that will help our defense keep fresh legs.
This will be a hard fought game on both sides; but I fully expect the Browns to win.
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It's going to be a great game to watch - so tough to predict, so many questions.
Offhand, I think the Brown's running game won't dominate the game at all. The browns passing game -
who knows - the Panthers' secondary is going to be greatly improved, I think, and the qb facing them isn't known for his accuracy. With new wr's, who knows how that will go.
With the Panther's oline greatly improved, qb greatly improved, with TE's being very, very solid blockers, with
McCaffery healthy sp?, I think it's offense - Panthers advantage, regardless of the outstanding duo at rb.
Defense - the Panthers are very much improved, and they were excellent early on last year vs the run, etc.
Defense - don't know advantage for browns or not. It's complicated. Might be a great game for the browns defense...or not.
The biggest problem I predict is Stefanski for the browns.
The biggest advantage for the Panthers is improvements on offense....
and more importantly, Ben McAdoo. OC. he is far more brilliant that Stefanski, with far more experience.
without turnovers dooming one team or the other, I think the Panthers win based on players added and returning from injury, improved defense, and then McAdoo, I think, makes the major difference for the win.
Just my guess - with qb accuracy a definite advantage with Baker healthy - and a more attacking offense, unpredictable offense by Carolina - it's going to be a fascinating game to watch. Carolina wins. I think. Who knows.
With the Panthers Oline greatly improved.
If this 2022 squad is "greatly improved", then I can't begin to imagine the nightmare the 2021 version was.
Our biggest challenge is matching up with McCaffrey in the short passing game; and what the plans to do so creates for others in that offense. All that said, the Browns definitely have the defensive personnel to handle that consistently enough to win.
Coincidentally, the best way to matchup with Baker might also align with the best way to slow down McCaffrey - match and zone. Because the kid has done damage to defenses better than the Browns. CMC is a special talent, it takes a great individual and collective effort to not let him wreck your defensive designs. I won't be comfortable just walking young JOK out on the field and saying "track the back".
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It's going to be a great game to watch - so tough to predict, so many questions.
Offhand, I think the Brown's running game won't dominate the game at all. The browns passing game -
who knows - the Panthers' secondary is going to be greatly improved, I think, and the qb facing them isn't known for his accuracy. With new wr's, who knows how that will go.
With the Panther's oline greatly improved, qb greatly improved, with TE's being very, very solid blockers, with
McCaffery healthy sp?, I think it's offense - Panthers advantage, regardless of the outstanding duo at rb.
Defense - the Panthers are very much improved, and they were excellent early on last year vs the run, etc.
Defense - don't know advantage for browns or not. It's complicated. Might be a great game for the browns defense...or not.
The biggest problem I predict is Stefanski for the browns.
The biggest advantage for the Panthers is improvements on offense....
and more importantly, Ben McAdoo. OC. he is far more brilliant that Stefanski, with far more experience.
without turnovers dooming one team or the other, I think the Panthers win based on players added and returning from injury, improved defense, and then McAdoo, I think, makes the major difference for the win.
Just my guess - with qb accuracy a definite advantage with Baker healthy - and a more attacking offense, unpredictable offense by Carolina - it's going to be a fascinating game to watch. Carolina wins. I think. Who knows.
You lost me way at the top and then you made my head spin when you put McAdoo doo and brilliant in the same sentence. He does have far more experience…running franchises into the ground
You lost me way at the top and then you made my head spin when you put McAdoo doo and brilliant in the same sentence. He does have far more experience…running franchises into the ground
Perhaps you lost yourself. A good compass and knowing how to use it is a great skill if you are lost.
Meanwhile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_McAdoo
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McAdoo coached tight ends and offensive tackles at Stanford for the 2005 spring camp, then resigned to be assistant offensive line and quality control coach for the San Francisco 49ers, reuniting with Mike McCarthy.[4][3] In 2006, McCarthy became head coach for the Green Bay Packers and added McAdoo to his staff as tight ends coach.[3] McAdoo coached tight ends for the Packers until the 2011 season, and then coached quarterbacks from 2012 to 2013. McAdoo was a member of the coaching staff of the 2010 Packers team that won Super Bowl XLV.[4]
New York Giants
Offensive coordinator (2014–2015)
In 2014, McAdoo joined Tom Coughlin’s staff as the offensive coordinator for the New York Giants.[5] In his first season as offensive coordinator, the Giants offense improved from the 28th-highest-scoring offense in 2013 under Kevin Gilbride to 13th in 2014. In 2015, the offense took another leap forward, becoming the sixth-highest-scoring offense despite losing starting left tackle Will Beatty, starting wide receiver Victor Cruz, and starting tight end Larry Donnell for most of the season due to injury. "
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See? McAdoo joined the giants in 2014 as OC. In only ONE YEAR, he raised the offense to 13th highest scoring offense, FROM where they were the previous season, which was 28th. So, in his SECOND year, the offense went to SIXTH highest scoring offense,
and btw, again, he lost his starting LT, starting WR, and starting TE.
So, going from 28th to sixth in two seasons, was bad?
Yes, he had a bunch of struggles with injuries and player scandals etc etc.
I wouldn't underestimate Ben McAdoo's influence at all - don't bet big money on the browns - or you may end up feeling like "doo doo"
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You lost me way at the top and then you made my head spin when you put McAdoo doo and brilliant in the same sentence. He does have far more experience…running franchises into the ground
Perhaps you lost yourself. A good compass and knowing how to use it is a great skill if you are lost.
Meanwhile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_McAdoo
"
McAdoo coached tight ends and offensive tackles at Stanford for the 2005 spring camp, then resigned to be assistant offensive line and quality control coach for the San Francisco 49ers, reuniting with Mike McCarthy.[4][3] In 2006, McCarthy became head coach for the Green Bay Packers and added McAdoo to his staff as tight ends coach.[3] McAdoo coached tight ends for the Packers until the 2011 season, and then coached quarterbacks from 2012 to 2013. McAdoo was a member of the coaching staff of the 2010 Packers team that won Super Bowl XLV.[4]
New York Giants
Offensive coordinator (2014–2015)
In 2014, McAdoo joined Tom Coughlin’s staff as the offensive coordinator for the New York Giants.[5] In his first season as offensive coordinator, the Giants offense improved from the 28th-highest-scoring offense in 2013 under Kevin Gilbride to 13th in 2014. In 2015, the offense took another leap forward, becoming the sixth-highest-scoring offense despite losing starting left tackle Will Beatty, starting wide receiver Victor Cruz, and starting tight end Larry Donnell for most of the season due to injury. "
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See? McAdoo joined the giants in 2014 as OC. In only ONE YEAR, he raised the offense to 13th highest scoring offense, FROM where they were the previous season, which was 28th. So, in his SECOND year, the offense went to SIXTH highest scoring offense,
and btw, again, he lost his starting LT, starting WR, and starting TE.
So, going from 28th to sixth in two seasons, was bad?
Yes, he had a bunch of struggles with injuries and player scandals etc etc.
I wouldn't underestimate Ben McAdoo's influence at all - don't bet big money on the browns - or you may end up feeling like "doo doo"
Perhaps you lost yourself. A good compass and knowing how to use it is a great skill if you are lost.
Meanwhile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_McAdoo
"
McAdoo coached tight ends and offensive tackles at Stanford for the 2005 spring camp, then resigned to be assistant offensive line and quality control coach for the San Francisco 49ers, reuniting with Mike McCarthy.[4][3] In 2006, McCarthy became head coach for the Green Bay Packers and added McAdoo to his staff as tight ends coach.[3] McAdoo coached tight ends for the Packers until the 2011 season, and then coached quarterbacks from 2012 to 2013. McAdoo was a member of the coaching staff of the 2010 Packers team that won Super Bowl XLV.[4]
New York Giants
Offensive coordinator (2014–2015)
In 2014, McAdoo joined Tom Coughlin’s staff as the offensive coordinator for the New York Giants.[5] In his first season as offensive coordinator, the Giants offense improved from the 28th-highest-scoring offense in 2013 under Kevin Gilbride to 13th in 2014. In 2015, the offense took another leap forward, becoming the sixth-highest-scoring offense despite losing starting left tackle Will Beatty, starting wide receiver Victor Cruz, and starting tight end Larry Donnell for most of the season due to injury. "
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See? McAdoo joined the giants in 2014 as OC. In only ONE YEAR, he raised the offense to 13th highest scoring offense, FROM where they were the previous season, which was 28th. So, in his SECOND year, the offense went to SIXTH highest scoring offense,
and btw, again, he lost his starting LT, starting WR, and starting TE.
So, going from 28th to sixth in two seasons, was bad?
Yes, he had a bunch of struggles with injuries and player scandals etc etc.
I wouldn't underestimate Ben McAdoo's influence at all - don't bet big money on the browns - or you may end up feeling like "doo doo"
So he’s a good TE coach. Got it.
Wildly out of place as a HC but inherited a good Tom Coughlin system.
Anything on his accolades post Obama administration?
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Perhaps you lost yourself. A good compass and knowing how to use it is a great skill if you are lost.
Meanwhile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_McAdoo
"
McAdoo coached tight ends and offensive tackles at Stanford for the 2005 spring camp, then resigned to be assistant offensive line and quality control coach for the San Francisco 49ers, reuniting with Mike McCarthy.[4][3] In 2006, McCarthy became head coach for the Green Bay Packers and added McAdoo to his staff as tight ends coach.[3] McAdoo coached tight ends for the Packers until the 2011 season, and then coached quarterbacks from 2012 to 2013. McAdoo was a member of the coaching staff of the 2010 Packers team that won Super Bowl XLV.[4]
New York Giants
Offensive coordinator (2014–2015)
In 2014, McAdoo joined Tom Coughlin’s staff as the offensive coordinator for the New York Giants.[5] In his first season as offensive coordinator, the Giants offense improved from the 28th-highest-scoring offense in 2013 under Kevin Gilbride to 13th in 2014. In 2015, the offense took another leap forward, becoming the sixth-highest-scoring offense despite losing starting left tackle Will Beatty, starting wide receiver Victor Cruz, and starting tight end Larry Donnell for most of the season due to injury. "
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See? McAdoo joined the giants in 2014 as OC. In only ONE YEAR, he raised the offense to 13th highest scoring offense, FROM where they were the previous season, which was 28th. So, in his SECOND year, the offense went to SIXTH highest scoring offense,
and btw, again, he lost his starting LT, starting WR, and starting TE.
So, going from 28th to sixth in two seasons, was bad?
Yes, he had a bunch of struggles with injuries and player scandals etc etc.
I wouldn't underestimate Ben McAdoo's influence at all - don't bet big money on the browns - or you may end up feeling like "doo doo"
So he’s a good TE coach. Got it.
Wildly out of place as a HC but inherited a good Tom Coughlin system.
Anything on his accolades post Obama administration?
So he’s a good TE coach. Got it.
Wildly out of place as a HC but inherited a good Tom Coughlin system.
Anything on his accolades post Obama administration?
what part of "New York Giants
Offensive coordinator (2014–2015)
"In 2014, McAdoo joined Tom Coughlin’s staff as the offensive coordinator for the New York Giants.[5] In his first season as offensive coordinator, the Giants offense improved from the 28th-highest-scoring offense in 2013 under Kevin Gilbride to 13th in 2014."
Did you fail to understand. He wasn't TE coach, he was the offensive coordinator.
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Perhaps you lost yourself. A good compass and knowing how to use it is a great skill if you are lost.
Meanwhile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_McAdoo
"
McAdoo coached tight ends and offensive tackles at Stanford for the 2005 spring camp, then resigned to be assistant offensive line and quality control coach for the San Francisco 49ers, reuniting with Mike McCarthy.[4][3] In 2006, McCarthy became head coach for the Green Bay Packers and added McAdoo to his staff as tight ends coach.[3] McAdoo coached tight ends for the Packers until the 2011 season, and then coached quarterbacks from 2012 to 2013. McAdoo was a member of the coaching staff of the 2010 Packers team that won Super Bowl XLV.[4]
New York Giants
Offensive coordinator (2014–2015)
In 2014, McAdoo joined Tom Coughlin’s staff as the offensive coordinator for the New York Giants.[5] In his first season as offensive coordinator, the Giants offense improved from the 28th-highest-scoring offense in 2013 under Kevin Gilbride to 13th in 2014. In 2015, the offense took another leap forward, becoming the sixth-highest-scoring offense despite losing starting left tackle Will Beatty, starting wide receiver Victor Cruz, and starting tight end Larry Donnell for most of the season due to injury. "
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See? McAdoo joined the giants in 2014 as OC. In only ONE YEAR, he raised the offense to 13th highest scoring offense, FROM where they were the previous season, which was 28th. So, in his SECOND year, the offense went to SIXTH highest scoring offense,
and btw, again, he lost his starting LT, starting WR, and starting TE.
So, going from 28th to sixth in two seasons, was bad?
Yes, he had a bunch of struggles with injuries and player scandals etc etc.
I wouldn't underestimate Ben McAdoo's influence at all - don't bet big money on the browns - or you may end up feeling like "doo doo"
So he’s a good TE coach. Got it.
Wildly out of place as a HC but inherited a good Tom Coughlin system.
Anything on his accolades post Obama administration?
So he’s a good TE coach. Got it.
Wildly out of place as a HC but inherited a good Tom Coughlin system.
Anything on his accolades post Obama administration?
McAdoo has shown to have a good offensive mind. Even in his limited sample size, his work with the Gmen as a coordinator was solid. Also helps the NFC East was an absolute dumpster fire save for the Dallas Oline.
Listening to his commentary and some of their camps, sounds very "west-coast" in their terminology. Formations, route tags, passing selection. A lot of 3 and 5 step stuff from the gun. Things Baker has both excelled and struggled with when he gets too locked in pre-snap. So a lot of Carolina's success will depend on McAdoo and their current QB coach getting Mayfield's eyes to the right places presnap, understanding his looks, then processing changes post snap. An advantage I've mentioned that Woods and the Browns hold. So if the Browns are going to be zone happy, they need to make sure there's a lot of rotation in those zones. Further helps to frustrate a QB who is learning new verbiage, getting chemistry with a whole new set of receivers, is working more from the gun and is behind a below average OL.
I would expect some improvement from the Panthers this year just based on new personnel additions. But will they take a Gmen type leap from 28th to top 10? Not likely.
edit: McAdoo is also a terrible talented evaluator. By reports, he loved Matt Corral from Ole Miss... kid won't be ready for NFL action until year 3 at the earliest, that's even without having an injury.
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One thing I know...you don't bet for or against the Browns. Lol
Or use the George Costanza model. If every instinct in your being tells you to bet a certain way and every time you have done that you have been wrong, then obviously you must do the opposite. ?
Or use the George Costanza model. If every instinct in your being tells you to bet a certain way and every time you have done that you have been wrong, then obviously you must do the opposite. ?
I am absolutely on board with this take. I am taking the Browns to beat the opening game curse and win the game. To do so we will need to stop the run bette rthan we did in the preseason. I think our defense carries us. We haven't seen all of our defensive stars on the field since last season. The idea of Emerson and Ward on the field at the same time with the rest of that secondary is going to be a lot of fun to watch this year.
I am also banking on Brissett not being as bad as everybody seems to think he is. I watched him play quite a bit when he was starting for Indy and I thought he did fairly well with a bad o-line. I expect him to play fairly well for us. But if he doesn't Stefanski better not leave him in like he did with Baker last year. If we can go 7-4 over the first 11 we have a really good playoff shot. I think it is unlikely that we do. But I am believing the opposite will happen this year in the first game and many others. Our good drafting of the last few years will pay dividends (well maybe not Swartz). -
So he’s a good TE coach. Got it.
Wildly out of place as a HC but inherited a good Tom Coughlin system.
Anything on his accolades post Obama administration?
McAdoo has shown to have a good offensive mind. Even in his limited sample size, his work with the Gmen as a coordinator was solid. Also helps the NFC East was an absolute dumpster fire save for the Dallas Oline.
Listening to his commentary and some of their camps, sounds very "west-coast" in their terminology. Formations, route tags, passing selection. A lot of 3 and 5 step stuff from the gun. Things Baker has both excelled and struggled with when he gets too locked in pre-snap. So a lot of Carolina's success will depend on McAdoo and their current QB coach getting Mayfield's eyes to the right places presnap, understanding his looks, then processing changes post snap. An advantage I've mentioned that Woods and the Browns hold. So if the Browns are going to be zone happy, they need to make sure there's a lot of rotation in those zones. Further helps to frustrate a QB who is learning new verbiage, getting chemistry with a whole new set of receivers, is working more from the gun and is behind a below average OL.
I would expect some improvement from the Panthers this year just based on new personnel additions. But will they take a Gmen type leap from 28th to top 10? Not likely.
edit: McAdoo is also a terrible talented evaluator. By reports, he loved Matt Corral from Ole Miss... kid won't be ready for NFL action until year 3 at the earliest, that's even without having an injury.
McAdoo has shown to have a good offensive mind. Even in his limited sample size, his work with the Gmen as a coordinator was solid. Also helps the NFC East was an absolute dumpster fire save for the Dallas Oline.
Listening to his commentary and some of their camps, sounds very "west-coast" in their terminology. Formations, route tags, passing selection. A lot of 3 and 5 step stuff from the gun. Things Baker has both excelled and struggled with when he gets too locked in pre-snap. So a lot of Carolina's success will depend on McAdoo and their current QB coach getting Mayfield's eyes to the right places presnap, understanding his looks, then processing changes post snap. An advantage I've mentioned that Woods and the Browns hold. So if the Browns are going to be zone happy, they need to make sure there's a lot of rotation in those zones. Further helps to frustrate a QB who is learning new verbiage, getting chemistry with a whole new set of receivers, is working more from the gun and is behind a below average OL.
I would expect some improvement from the Panthers this year just based on new personnel additions. But will they take a Gmen type leap from 28th to top 10? Not likely.
edit: McAdoo is also a terrible talented evaluator. By reports, he loved Matt Corral from Ole Miss... kid won't be ready for NFL action until year 3 at the earliest, that's even without having an injury.
I have watched probably 80% of Giants games the past decade. He took a solid organization and turned it upside down. He was forced to relinquish play calling duties toward the end of his tenure I think at one point he their offense was last in league.
Not just a bad talent evaluator he’s a great alienatorAsk giants fans if brilliant and his name belong in the same sentence
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McAdoo has shown to have a good offensive mind. Even in his limited sample size, his work with the Gmen as a coordinator was solid. Also helps the NFC East was an absolute dumpster fire save for the Dallas Oline.
Listening to his commentary and some of their camps, sounds very "west-coast" in their terminology. Formations, route tags, passing selection. A lot of 3 and 5 step stuff from the gun. Things Baker has both excelled and struggled with when he gets too locked in pre-snap. So a lot of Carolina's success will depend on McAdoo and their current QB coach getting Mayfield's eyes to the right places presnap, understanding his looks, then processing changes post snap. An advantage I've mentioned that Woods and the Browns hold. So if the Browns are going to be zone happy, they need to make sure there's a lot of rotation in those zones. Further helps to frustrate a QB who is learning new verbiage, getting chemistry with a whole new set of receivers, is working more from the gun and is behind a below average OL.
I would expect some improvement from the Panthers this year just based on new personnel additions. But will they take a Gmen type leap from 28th to top 10? Not likely.
edit: McAdoo is also a terrible talented evaluator. By reports, he loved Matt Corral from Ole Miss... kid won't be ready for NFL action until year 3 at the earliest, that's even without having an injury.
I have watched probably 80% of Giants games the past decade. He took a solid organization and turned it upside down. He was forced to relinquish play calling duties toward the end of his tenure I think at one point he their offense was last in league.
Not just a bad talent evaluator he’s a great alienatorAsk giants fans if brilliant and his name belong in the same sentence
I have watched probably 80% of Giants games the past decade. He took a solid organization and turned it upside down. He was forced to relinquish play calling duties toward the end of his tenure I think at one point he their offense was last in league.
Not just a bad talent evaluator he’s a great alienatorAsk giants fans if brilliant and his name belong in the same sentence
I'm not arguing in favor of the man being a decent head coach... he isn't.
But when only focused on the duties of playcaller and QB coach, he has found some success in this league. Remains to be seen if he can do that in Carolina, but we know it was within his capability in NY.
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I have watched probably 80% of Giants games the past decade. He took a solid organization and turned it upside down. He was forced to relinquish play calling duties toward the end of his tenure I think at one point he their offense was last in league.
Not just a bad talent evaluator he’s a great alienatorAsk giants fans if brilliant and his name belong in the same sentence
I'm not arguing in favor of the man being a decent head coach... he isn't.
But when only focused on the duties of playcaller and QB coach, he has found some success in this league. Remains to be seen if he can do that in Carolina, but we know it was within his capability in NY.
I'm not arguing in favor of the man being a decent head coach... he isn't.
But when only focused on the duties of playcaller and QB coach, he has found some success in this league. Remains to be seen if he can do that in Carolina, but we know it was within his capability in NY.
I’m talking about his play calling role with the Giants That he had to give up to keep his job as a HC and his influence on the Giants offense ultimately lead to his demise.
His only professional stop in my knowledge that he called plays and exerted a true influence over an offense until now.
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I'm not arguing in favor of the man being a decent head coach... he isn't.
But when only focused on the duties of playcaller and QB coach, he has found some success in this league. Remains to be seen if he can do that in Carolina, but we know it was within his capability in NY.
I’m talking about his play calling role with the Giants That he had to give up to keep his job as a HC and his influence on the Giants offense ultimately lead to his demise.
His only professional stop in my knowledge that he called plays and exerted a true influence over an offense until now.
I’m talking about his play calling role with the Giants That he had to give up to keep his job as a HC and his influence on the Giants offense ultimately lead to his demise.
His only professional stop in my knowledge that he called plays and exerted a true influence over an offense until now.
There are a solid amount of examples of play callers who simply can't balance effective playcalling while being a head coach. Pat Shurmur is one such example, and one I use because of his previous ties to Cleveland AND the NYG. Good offensive mind and a pretty decent offensive coordinator. Trash head coach and his offensive play calling went out the window when he had to balance the full role.
Some minds just aren't equipped to compartmentalize themselves for such tasks.
And as I type this, late money has come in on the Browns, making it a PK game by most books.
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I’m talking about his play calling role with the Giants That he had to give up to keep his job as a HC and his influence on the Giants offense ultimately lead to his demise.
His only professional stop in my knowledge that he called plays and exerted a true influence over an offense until now.
There are a solid amount of examples of play callers who simply can't balance effective playcalling while being a head coach. Pat Shurmur is one such example, and one I use because of his previous ties to Cleveland AND the NYG. Good offensive mind and a pretty decent offensive coordinator. Trash head coach and his offensive play calling went out the window when he had to balance the full role.
Some minds just aren't equipped to compartmentalize themselves for such tasks.
And as I type this, late money has come in on the Browns, making it a PK game by most books.
There are a solid amount of examples of play callers who simply can't balance effective playcalling while being a head coach. Pat Shurmur is one such example, and one I use because of his previous ties to Cleveland AND the NYG. Good offensive mind and a pretty decent offensive coordinator. Trash head coach and his offensive play calling went out the window when he had to balance the full role.
Some minds just aren't equipped to compartmentalize themselves for such tasks.
And as I type this, late money has come in on the Browns, making it a PK game by most books.
Absolutely…and Shurmur inherited worse with the Giants and had the stench of a sinking ship when he took over.
let’s pump the brakes on a Macadoodoo as an o coordinator until we can review his second opportunity as an OC which starts Sunday. He hasn’t had one in a long time…why? and had just one with one team in a short span.
You are describing Norv Turner above…MULTIPLE solid to great performance as an offensive coordinator but couldn’t hack it or should I say didn’t live up to lofty expectations as the head guy. Norv was a better “players coach” though and admittedly had some good personnel to work with over the years
Great on the Browns line and fortunate if you locked in at +2. Later Money usually smarter money or is that just horse racing?
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There are a solid amount of examples of play callers who simply can't balance effective playcalling while being a head coach. Pat Shurmur is one such example, and one I use because of his previous ties to Cleveland AND the NYG. Good offensive mind and a pretty decent offensive coordinator. Trash head coach and his offensive play calling went out the window when he had to balance the full role.
Some minds just aren't equipped to compartmentalize themselves for such tasks.
And as I type this, late money has come in on the Browns, making it a PK game by most books.
Absolutely…and Shurmur inherited worse with the Giants and had the stench of a sinking ship when he took over.
let’s pump the brakes on a Macadoodoo as an o coordinator until we can review his second opportunity as an OC which starts Sunday. He hasn’t had one in a long time…why? and had just one with one team in a short span.
You are describing Norv Turner above…MULTIPLE solid to great performance as an offensive coordinator but couldn’t hack it or should I say didn’t live up to lofty expectations as the head guy. Norv was a better “players coach” though and admittedly had some good personnel to work with over the years
Great on the Browns line and fortunate if you locked in at +2. Later Money usually smarter money or is that just horse racing?
Great on the Browns line and fortunate if you locked in at +2. Later Money usually smarter money or is that just horse racing?
Depends on expected health. Locking in favorable lines early is great if the injury report is clean. Lock in something too early, then things change on Friday or Saturday and you could be fucked.
I haven't touched the game itself yet. The Under is too low for my liking, even in this matchup. Probably should have just bought the .5 point and went in on CLE at +3. Figured that later money would end up on the Browns though, which is why I mentioned Vegas cashing in early on the Baker hype and the Browns opening day woes.
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Great on the Browns line and fortunate if you locked in at +2. Later Money usually smarter money or is that just horse racing?
Depends on expected health. Locking in favorable lines early is great if the injury report is clean. Lock in something too early, then things change on Friday or Saturday and you could be fucked.
I haven't touched the game itself yet. The Under is too low for my liking, even in this matchup. Probably should have just bought the .5 point and went in on CLE at +3. Figured that later money would end up on the Browns though, which is why I mentioned Vegas cashing in early on the Baker hype and the Browns opening day woes.
Depends on expected health. Locking in favorable lines early is great if the injury report is clean. Lock in something too early, then things change on Friday or Saturday and you could be fucked.
I haven't touched the game itself yet. The Under is too low for my liking, even in this matchup. Probably should have just bought the .5 point and went in on CLE at +3. Figured that later money would end up on the Browns though, which is why I mentioned Vegas cashing in early on the Baker hype and the Browns opening day woes.
Rain and thunderstorms for Sunday right during game time. The under might be the way to go.
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Depends on expected health. Locking in favorable lines early is great if the injury report is clean. Lock in something too early, then things change on Friday or Saturday and you could be fucked.
I haven't touched the game itself yet. The Under is too low for my liking, even in this matchup. Probably should have just bought the .5 point and went in on CLE at +3. Figured that later money would end up on the Browns though, which is why I mentioned Vegas cashing in early on the Baker hype and the Browns opening day woes.
Rain and thunderstorms for Sunday right during game time. The under might be the way to go.
Rain and thunderstorms for Sunday right during game time. The under might be the way to go.
I've been really busy this week, haven't even had time to check out the lines.....that's a first for me.
I just beat the clock to get into a fan favorite Survival ! contest......and I still don't like Thursday Night Football, screws up a lot of people's football clock.
But ZERO chance of that changing and......
GO BROWNS ! Oh yes.
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