Tale of the Tape - Browns @ Panthers
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So he’s a good TE coach. Got it.
Wildly out of place as a HC but inherited a good Tom Coughlin system.
Anything on his accolades post Obama administration?
McAdoo has shown to have a good offensive mind. Even in his limited sample size, his work with the Gmen as a coordinator was solid. Also helps the NFC East was an absolute dumpster fire save for the Dallas Oline.
Listening to his commentary and some of their camps, sounds very "west-coast" in their terminology. Formations, route tags, passing selection. A lot of 3 and 5 step stuff from the gun. Things Baker has both excelled and struggled with when he gets too locked in pre-snap. So a lot of Carolina's success will depend on McAdoo and their current QB coach getting Mayfield's eyes to the right places presnap, understanding his looks, then processing changes post snap. An advantage I've mentioned that Woods and the Browns hold. So if the Browns are going to be zone happy, they need to make sure there's a lot of rotation in those zones. Further helps to frustrate a QB who is learning new verbiage, getting chemistry with a whole new set of receivers, is working more from the gun and is behind a below average OL.
I would expect some improvement from the Panthers this year just based on new personnel additions. But will they take a Gmen type leap from 28th to top 10? Not likely.
edit: McAdoo is also a terrible talented evaluator. By reports, he loved Matt Corral from Ole Miss... kid won't be ready for NFL action until year 3 at the earliest, that's even without having an injury.
McAdoo has shown to have a good offensive mind. Even in his limited sample size, his work with the Gmen as a coordinator was solid. Also helps the NFC East was an absolute dumpster fire save for the Dallas Oline.
Listening to his commentary and some of their camps, sounds very "west-coast" in their terminology. Formations, route tags, passing selection. A lot of 3 and 5 step stuff from the gun. Things Baker has both excelled and struggled with when he gets too locked in pre-snap. So a lot of Carolina's success will depend on McAdoo and their current QB coach getting Mayfield's eyes to the right places presnap, understanding his looks, then processing changes post snap. An advantage I've mentioned that Woods and the Browns hold. So if the Browns are going to be zone happy, they need to make sure there's a lot of rotation in those zones. Further helps to frustrate a QB who is learning new verbiage, getting chemistry with a whole new set of receivers, is working more from the gun and is behind a below average OL.
I would expect some improvement from the Panthers this year just based on new personnel additions. But will they take a Gmen type leap from 28th to top 10? Not likely.
edit: McAdoo is also a terrible talented evaluator. By reports, he loved Matt Corral from Ole Miss... kid won't be ready for NFL action until year 3 at the earliest, that's even without having an injury.
I have watched probably 80% of Giants games the past decade. He took a solid organization and turned it upside down. He was forced to relinquish play calling duties toward the end of his tenure I think at one point he their offense was last in league.
Not just a bad talent evaluator he’s a great alienatorAsk giants fans if brilliant and his name belong in the same sentence
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McAdoo has shown to have a good offensive mind. Even in his limited sample size, his work with the Gmen as a coordinator was solid. Also helps the NFC East was an absolute dumpster fire save for the Dallas Oline.
Listening to his commentary and some of their camps, sounds very "west-coast" in their terminology. Formations, route tags, passing selection. A lot of 3 and 5 step stuff from the gun. Things Baker has both excelled and struggled with when he gets too locked in pre-snap. So a lot of Carolina's success will depend on McAdoo and their current QB coach getting Mayfield's eyes to the right places presnap, understanding his looks, then processing changes post snap. An advantage I've mentioned that Woods and the Browns hold. So if the Browns are going to be zone happy, they need to make sure there's a lot of rotation in those zones. Further helps to frustrate a QB who is learning new verbiage, getting chemistry with a whole new set of receivers, is working more from the gun and is behind a below average OL.
I would expect some improvement from the Panthers this year just based on new personnel additions. But will they take a Gmen type leap from 28th to top 10? Not likely.
edit: McAdoo is also a terrible talented evaluator. By reports, he loved Matt Corral from Ole Miss... kid won't be ready for NFL action until year 3 at the earliest, that's even without having an injury.
I have watched probably 80% of Giants games the past decade. He took a solid organization and turned it upside down. He was forced to relinquish play calling duties toward the end of his tenure I think at one point he their offense was last in league.
Not just a bad talent evaluator he’s a great alienatorAsk giants fans if brilliant and his name belong in the same sentence
I have watched probably 80% of Giants games the past decade. He took a solid organization and turned it upside down. He was forced to relinquish play calling duties toward the end of his tenure I think at one point he their offense was last in league.
Not just a bad talent evaluator he’s a great alienatorAsk giants fans if brilliant and his name belong in the same sentence
I'm not arguing in favor of the man being a decent head coach... he isn't.
But when only focused on the duties of playcaller and QB coach, he has found some success in this league. Remains to be seen if he can do that in Carolina, but we know it was within his capability in NY.
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I have watched probably 80% of Giants games the past decade. He took a solid organization and turned it upside down. He was forced to relinquish play calling duties toward the end of his tenure I think at one point he their offense was last in league.
Not just a bad talent evaluator he’s a great alienatorAsk giants fans if brilliant and his name belong in the same sentence
I'm not arguing in favor of the man being a decent head coach... he isn't.
But when only focused on the duties of playcaller and QB coach, he has found some success in this league. Remains to be seen if he can do that in Carolina, but we know it was within his capability in NY.
I'm not arguing in favor of the man being a decent head coach... he isn't.
But when only focused on the duties of playcaller and QB coach, he has found some success in this league. Remains to be seen if he can do that in Carolina, but we know it was within his capability in NY.
I’m talking about his play calling role with the Giants That he had to give up to keep his job as a HC and his influence on the Giants offense ultimately lead to his demise.
His only professional stop in my knowledge that he called plays and exerted a true influence over an offense until now.
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I'm not arguing in favor of the man being a decent head coach... he isn't.
But when only focused on the duties of playcaller and QB coach, he has found some success in this league. Remains to be seen if he can do that in Carolina, but we know it was within his capability in NY.
I’m talking about his play calling role with the Giants That he had to give up to keep his job as a HC and his influence on the Giants offense ultimately lead to his demise.
His only professional stop in my knowledge that he called plays and exerted a true influence over an offense until now.
I’m talking about his play calling role with the Giants That he had to give up to keep his job as a HC and his influence on the Giants offense ultimately lead to his demise.
His only professional stop in my knowledge that he called plays and exerted a true influence over an offense until now.
There are a solid amount of examples of play callers who simply can't balance effective playcalling while being a head coach. Pat Shurmur is one such example, and one I use because of his previous ties to Cleveland AND the NYG. Good offensive mind and a pretty decent offensive coordinator. Trash head coach and his offensive play calling went out the window when he had to balance the full role.
Some minds just aren't equipped to compartmentalize themselves for such tasks.
And as I type this, late money has come in on the Browns, making it a PK game by most books.
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I’m talking about his play calling role with the Giants That he had to give up to keep his job as a HC and his influence on the Giants offense ultimately lead to his demise.
His only professional stop in my knowledge that he called plays and exerted a true influence over an offense until now.
There are a solid amount of examples of play callers who simply can't balance effective playcalling while being a head coach. Pat Shurmur is one such example, and one I use because of his previous ties to Cleveland AND the NYG. Good offensive mind and a pretty decent offensive coordinator. Trash head coach and his offensive play calling went out the window when he had to balance the full role.
Some minds just aren't equipped to compartmentalize themselves for such tasks.
And as I type this, late money has come in on the Browns, making it a PK game by most books.
There are a solid amount of examples of play callers who simply can't balance effective playcalling while being a head coach. Pat Shurmur is one such example, and one I use because of his previous ties to Cleveland AND the NYG. Good offensive mind and a pretty decent offensive coordinator. Trash head coach and his offensive play calling went out the window when he had to balance the full role.
Some minds just aren't equipped to compartmentalize themselves for such tasks.
And as I type this, late money has come in on the Browns, making it a PK game by most books.
Absolutely…and Shurmur inherited worse with the Giants and had the stench of a sinking ship when he took over.
let’s pump the brakes on a Macadoodoo as an o coordinator until we can review his second opportunity as an OC which starts Sunday. He hasn’t had one in a long time…why? and had just one with one team in a short span.
You are describing Norv Turner above…MULTIPLE solid to great performance as an offensive coordinator but couldn’t hack it or should I say didn’t live up to lofty expectations as the head guy. Norv was a better “players coach” though and admittedly had some good personnel to work with over the years
Great on the Browns line and fortunate if you locked in at +2. Later Money usually smarter money or is that just horse racing?
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There are a solid amount of examples of play callers who simply can't balance effective playcalling while being a head coach. Pat Shurmur is one such example, and one I use because of his previous ties to Cleveland AND the NYG. Good offensive mind and a pretty decent offensive coordinator. Trash head coach and his offensive play calling went out the window when he had to balance the full role.
Some minds just aren't equipped to compartmentalize themselves for such tasks.
And as I type this, late money has come in on the Browns, making it a PK game by most books.
Absolutely…and Shurmur inherited worse with the Giants and had the stench of a sinking ship when he took over.
let’s pump the brakes on a Macadoodoo as an o coordinator until we can review his second opportunity as an OC which starts Sunday. He hasn’t had one in a long time…why? and had just one with one team in a short span.
You are describing Norv Turner above…MULTIPLE solid to great performance as an offensive coordinator but couldn’t hack it or should I say didn’t live up to lofty expectations as the head guy. Norv was a better “players coach” though and admittedly had some good personnel to work with over the years
Great on the Browns line and fortunate if you locked in at +2. Later Money usually smarter money or is that just horse racing?
Great on the Browns line and fortunate if you locked in at +2. Later Money usually smarter money or is that just horse racing?
Depends on expected health. Locking in favorable lines early is great if the injury report is clean. Lock in something too early, then things change on Friday or Saturday and you could be fucked.
I haven't touched the game itself yet. The Under is too low for my liking, even in this matchup. Probably should have just bought the .5 point and went in on CLE at +3. Figured that later money would end up on the Browns though, which is why I mentioned Vegas cashing in early on the Baker hype and the Browns opening day woes.
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Great on the Browns line and fortunate if you locked in at +2. Later Money usually smarter money or is that just horse racing?
Depends on expected health. Locking in favorable lines early is great if the injury report is clean. Lock in something too early, then things change on Friday or Saturday and you could be fucked.
I haven't touched the game itself yet. The Under is too low for my liking, even in this matchup. Probably should have just bought the .5 point and went in on CLE at +3. Figured that later money would end up on the Browns though, which is why I mentioned Vegas cashing in early on the Baker hype and the Browns opening day woes.
Depends on expected health. Locking in favorable lines early is great if the injury report is clean. Lock in something too early, then things change on Friday or Saturday and you could be fucked.
I haven't touched the game itself yet. The Under is too low for my liking, even in this matchup. Probably should have just bought the .5 point and went in on CLE at +3. Figured that later money would end up on the Browns though, which is why I mentioned Vegas cashing in early on the Baker hype and the Browns opening day woes.
Rain and thunderstorms for Sunday right during game time. The under might be the way to go.
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Depends on expected health. Locking in favorable lines early is great if the injury report is clean. Lock in something too early, then things change on Friday or Saturday and you could be fucked.
I haven't touched the game itself yet. The Under is too low for my liking, even in this matchup. Probably should have just bought the .5 point and went in on CLE at +3. Figured that later money would end up on the Browns though, which is why I mentioned Vegas cashing in early on the Baker hype and the Browns opening day woes.
Rain and thunderstorms for Sunday right during game time. The under might be the way to go.
Rain and thunderstorms for Sunday right during game time. The under might be the way to go.
I've been really busy this week, haven't even had time to check out the lines.....that's a first for me.
I just beat the clock to get into a fan favorite Survival ! contest......and I still don't like Thursday Night Football, screws up a lot of people's football clock.
But ZERO chance of that changing and......
GO BROWNS ! Oh yes.
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Greedy to the IR. Makes drafting a guy like Emmerson very important.
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Greedy to the IR. Makes drafting a guy like Emmerson very important.
Greedy to the IR. Makes drafting a guy like Emmerson very important.
on special teams. He doesn't have cb speed. Too bad about Greedy.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mj-emerson/3200454d-4540-4215-97fb-3728b8869883
Prospect Grade
5.80Average backup or special-teamer -
Greedy to the IR. Makes drafting a guy like Emmerson very important.
on special teams. He doesn't have cb speed. Too bad about Greedy.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mj-emerson/3200454d-4540-4215-97fb-3728b8869883
Prospect Grade
5.80Average backup or special-teameron special teams. He doesn't have cb speed. Too bad about Greedy.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mj-emerson/3200454d-4540-4215-97fb-3728b8869883
Prospect Grade
5.80Average backup or special-teamerI dunno. He showcased well against SEC WRs last season. He had some moments in preseason too.
I’m partial to bigger corners that will hold up in November and December when we see teams like Pitt and Baltimore that one to get physical
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This is of course, bad news. But when I checked the Browns site I saw that it's a hamstring and thought, wow, that's a pretty bad hamstring! But then I read that players can come off IR in as little as 4 weeks.
They brought up Herm Miller from the PS. Hopefully they can keep him on the bench. I wasn't overly impressed with him in preseason. But, I really didn't get to see a whole lot of the preseason games.
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Greedy to IR makes me think his second contract offer will be pretty low if at all.. simply not enough games played. But we did know this going in.. Decent value at the pick but availability is the best ability and all that. Can't believe this is his contract year already
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I don't think Joe Woods cares much about unofficial depth charts.. AJ Green/Emerson vs Greedy Williams seems fairly equal imo.. We bring up PS Herb Miller.. which gives Woods a 2 year NB/Slot defender to back-up/ or could kick Newsome II outside to a match-up of Woods choice.. PS CB Shawn Jolly was their only option left.. CB Levert Hill was released from IR with a injury settlement early this week..
edit--I'm packed & ready to go.. 4 hour drive to Charlotte hotel by 4pm Saturday.. rain or shine !
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I don't think Joe Woods cares much about unofficial depth charts.. AJ Green/Emerson vs Greedy Williams seems fairly equal imo.. We bring up PS Herb Miller.. which gives Woods a 2 year NB/Slot defender to back-up/ or could kick Newsome II outside to a match-up of Woods choice.. PS CB Shawn Jolly was their only option left.. CB Levert Hill was released from IR with a injury settlement early this week..
edit--I'm packed & ready to go.. 4 hour drive to Charlotte hotel by 4pm Saturday.. rain or shine !
We bring up PS Herb Miller..
If Miller is anywhere on the field, I would literally draw up every play I have targeting him on every single down. He just does not look good at all.
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I hear the NFL Network talking heads raving about this explosive Carolina offense…I don’t see it week 1.
The smart game plan is rolling away from Myles, short quick pass game to CMC, maybe catching us off guard up the middle on pass downs with running plays and isolating their TE against our backer not named JOK
What most non-local media whiffs on? is not talking enough about the Panthers overall #2 ranked defense of last season..
The Panthers lead the league in net passing yards per game (173.7 yards), they're fourth in the league in third-down percentage allowed (33.1 percent) and tied for fourth in the league in sacks (27).
But they're still somewhat susceptible to teams who want to body them up and run the ball, the way the Cowboys and Vikings did. They rank 12th in the league in rushing yards allowed per game (107.0), numbers that got out of whack in a few games. The Cowboys ran for 245, the Vikings 198, and the Patriots 151. In half of their games, they've held opponents to fewer than 82 rushing yards, and under 50 three times.
DT Derrick Brown left the last preseason game with an oblique injury << good news if* he's limited.. the only major Panthers loss on a good defense from last season? Haason Reddick is now a Eagle
The Browns defense will need good LB/DB play Sunday with McCaffrey catching Baker's underneath dink passes..I'd almost prefer Woods shading a quicker Jacob Phillips/JOK combo to shade McCaffery over the slower lateral movements of A. Walker jr... I'd even bang Emerson into McCaffery if he splits outside.. Our Safety group better come ready to swarm tackle
Sure hasn't looked that good on film in the pre-season.
Agreed..He does not look ready for the outside corner bend that 95 brings.. call the holds zebras..
What most non-local media whiffs on? is not talking enough about the Panthers overall #2 ranked defense of last season..
The Panthers lead the league in net passing yards per game (173.7 yards), they're fourth in the league in third-down percentage allowed (33.1 percent) and tied for fourth in the league in sacks (27).
But they're still somewhat susceptible to teams who want to body them up and run the ball, the way the Cowboys and Vikings did. They rank 12th in the league in rushing yards allowed per game (107.0), numbers that got out of whack in a few games. The Cowboys ran for 245, the Vikings 198, and the Patriots 151. In half of their games, they've held opponents to fewer than 82 rushing yards, and under 50 three times.
DT Derrick Brown left the last preseason game with an oblique injury << good news if* he's limited.. the only major Panthers loss on a good defense from last season? Haason Reddick is now a Eagle
The Browns defense will need good LB/DB play Sunday with McCaffrey catching Baker's underneath dink passes..I'd almost prefer Woods shading a quicker Jacob Phillips/JOK combo to shade McCaffery over the slower lateral movements of A. Walker jr... I'd even bang Emerson into McCaffery if he splits outside.. Our Safety group better come ready to swarm tackle
Agreed..He does not look ready for the outside corner bend that 95 brings.. call the holds zebras..
Hopefully Baker throws those his typical 100mph lol
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If Miller is anywhere on the field, I would literally draw up every play I have targeting him on every single down. He just does not look good at all.
Oh I agree ! but,
I'm not so sure they wood Inactivate Herb Miller as our only emergency 5th cornerback left for this game? we can hope he's inactive
If Woods III (limited/hammy) becomes inactive? I'd question why WR/KR Mike Harley was not brought up from PS instead of H. Miller..
That list should start with QB Kellen Mond on it.. the other 6 names might get interesting..
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