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  • @tiamat63 said:

    Depends on expected health.  Locking in favorable lines early is great if the injury report is clean.   Lock in something too early, then things change on Friday or Saturday and you could be fucked.

    I haven't touched the game itself yet.  The Under is too low for my liking, even in this matchup.   Probably should have just bought the .5 point and went in on CLE at +3.   Figured that later money would end up on the Browns though, which is why I mentioned Vegas cashing in early on the Baker hype and the Browns opening day woes. 

    Rain and thunderstorms for Sunday right during game time.  The under might be the way to go.

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Rain and thunderstorms for Sunday right during game time.  The under might be the way to go.

    I've been really busy this week, haven't even had time to check out the lines.....that's a first for me.

    I just beat the clock to get into a fan favorite  Survival !  contest......and I still don't like Thursday Night Football,  screws up a lot of people's football clock.

    But ZERO chance of that changing  and......

    GO BROWNS  !       Oh yes.    😁

  • Greedy to the IR.  Makes drafting a guy like Emmerson very important. 

  • Greedy to the IR.  Makes drafting a guy like Emmerson very important. 

    @sdbacker80 said:

    Greedy to the IR.  Makes drafting a guy like Emmerson very important. 

    on special teams.  He doesn't have cb speed. Too bad about Greedy.

    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mj-emerson/3200454d-4540-4215-97fb-3728b8869883

    Prospect Grade

    5.80
    Average backup or special-teamer
     
  • @sdbacker80 said:

    Greedy to the IR.  Makes drafting a guy like Emmerson very important. 

    on special teams.  He doesn't have cb speed. Too bad about Greedy.

    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mj-emerson/3200454d-4540-4215-97fb-3728b8869883

    Prospect Grade

    5.80
    Average backup or special-teamer
     

    @calfoxwc said:

    on special teams.  He doesn't have cb speed. Too bad about Greedy.

    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mj-emerson/3200454d-4540-4215-97fb-3728b8869883

    Prospect Grade

    5.80
    Average backup or special-teamer
     

    I dunno.  He showcased well against SEC WRs last season.  He had some moments in preseason too. 
     

    I’m partial to bigger corners that will hold up in November and December when we see teams like Pitt and Baltimore that one to get physical 

  • This is of course, bad news.  But when I checked the Browns site I saw that it's a hamstring and thought, wow, that's a pretty bad hamstring!  But then I read that players can come off IR in as little as 4 weeks.  

    They brought up Herm Miller from the PS.  Hopefully they can keep him on the bench.  I wasn't overly impressed with him in preseason.  But, I really didn't get to see a whole lot of the preseason games.

  • Greedy to IR makes me think his second contract offer will be pretty low if at all.. simply not enough games played.  But we did know this going in.. Decent value at the pick but availability is the best ability and all that.  Can't believe this is his contract year already

  • I don't think Joe Woods cares much about unofficial depth charts.. AJ Green/Emerson vs Greedy Williams seems fairly equal imo.. We bring up PS Herb Miller.. which gives Woods a 2 year NB/Slot defender to back-up/ or could kick Newsome II outside to a match-up of Woods choice.. PS CB Shawn Jolly was their only option left.. CB Levert Hill was released from IR with a injury settlement early this week..

    edit--I'm packed & ready to go.. 4 hour drive to Charlotte hotel by 4pm Saturday.. rain or shine !

  • I don't think Joe Woods cares much about unofficial depth charts.. AJ Green/Emerson vs Greedy Williams seems fairly equal imo.. We bring up PS Herb Miller.. which gives Woods a 2 year NB/Slot defender to back-up/ or could kick Newsome II outside to a match-up of Woods choice.. PS CB Shawn Jolly was their only option left.. CB Levert Hill was released from IR with a injury settlement early this week..

    edit--I'm packed & ready to go.. 4 hour drive to Charlotte hotel by 4pm Saturday.. rain or shine !

    @gumby73 said:

     We bring up PS Herb Miller.. 

    If Miller is anywhere on the field, I would literally draw up every play I have targeting him on every single down.  He just does not look good at all.

  • @sdbacker80 said:

    I hear the NFL Network talking heads raving about this explosive Carolina offense…I don’t see it week 1.  

    The smart game plan is rolling away from Myles, short quick pass game to CMC, maybe catching us off guard up the middle on pass downs with running plays and isolating their TE against our backer not named JOK 

    What most non-local media whiffs on? is not talking enough about the Panthers overall #2 ranked defense of last season.. 

    The Panthers lead the league in net passing yards per game (173.7 yards), they're fourth in the league in third-down percentage allowed (33.1 percent) and tied for fourth in the league in sacks (27).

    But they're still somewhat susceptible to teams who want to body them up and run the ball, the way the Cowboys and Vikings did. They rank 12th in the league in rushing yards allowed per game (107.0), numbers that got out of whack in a few games. The Cowboys ran for 245, the Vikings 198, and the Patriots 151. In half of their games, they've held opponents to fewer than 82 rushing yards, and under 50 three times.

     DT Derrick Brown left the last preseason game with an oblique injury << good news if* he's limited.. the only major Panthers loss on a good defense from last season? Haason Reddick is now a Eagle

    The Browns defense will need good LB/DB play Sunday with McCaffrey catching Baker's underneath dink passes..I'd almost prefer Woods shading a quicker Jacob Phillips/JOK combo to shade McCaffery over the slower lateral movements of A. Walker jr... I'd even bang Emerson into McCaffery if he splits outside.. Our Safety group better come ready to swarm tackle     

    @tiamat63 said:

    Sure hasn't looked that good on film in the pre-season. 

    Agreed..He does not look ready for the outside corner bend that 95 brings.. call the holds zebras..

    @gumby73 said:

    What most non-local media whiffs on? is not talking enough about the Panthers overall #2 ranked defense of last season.. 

    The Panthers lead the league in net passing yards per game (173.7 yards), they're fourth in the league in third-down percentage allowed (33.1 percent) and tied for fourth in the league in sacks (27).

    But they're still somewhat susceptible to teams who want to body them up and run the ball, the way the Cowboys and Vikings did. They rank 12th in the league in rushing yards allowed per game (107.0), numbers that got out of whack in a few games. The Cowboys ran for 245, the Vikings 198, and the Patriots 151. In half of their games, they've held opponents to fewer than 82 rushing yards, and under 50 three times.

     DT Derrick Brown left the last preseason game with an oblique injury << good news if* he's limited.. the only major Panthers loss on a good defense from last season? Haason Reddick is now a Eagle

    The Browns defense will need good LB/DB play Sunday with McCaffrey catching Baker's underneath dink passes..I'd almost prefer Woods shading a quicker Jacob Phillips/JOK combo to shade McCaffery over the slower lateral movements of A. Walker jr... I'd even bang Emerson into McCaffery if he splits outside.. Our Safety group better come ready to swarm tackle     

    Agreed..He does not look ready for the outside corner bend that 95 brings.. call the holds zebras..

    Hopefully Baker throws those his typical 100mph lol 

  • @gumby73 said:

     We bring up PS Herb Miller.. 

    If Miller is anywhere on the field, I would literally draw up every play I have targeting him on every single down.  He just does not look good at all.

    @tiamat63 said:

    If Miller is anywhere on the field, I would literally draw up every play I have targeting him on every single down.  He just does not look good at all.

    Oh I agree !  but,

    I'm not so sure they wood Inactivate Herb Miller as our only emergency 5th cornerback left for this game?  we can hope he's inactive 

    If Woods III (limited/hammy) becomes inactive? I'd question why WR/KR Mike Harley was not brought up from PS instead of H. Miller..

    That list should start with QB Kellen Mond on it.. the other 6 names might get interesting..

  • Not gonna lie...I hope we win, but i want a good Baker FU to Haslem.

  • @vambo said:

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiT09PMjU_b/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=1d416e35-b3c3-47e8-9b8e-c1664065ca00

    Nick Chubb speaks in Batman-inspired hype video

    Cool.  I love Nick Chubb.  I hope he's able to stay healthy all year and gets to lead the league in rushing.  He's the type of guy that deserves that honor at least once in his life.

  • WR Michael Woods II (illness, hamstring) was downgraded to out for Sunday's game.

    So we'll be fielding 4 WR's because Woods is out with a sick hamstring.

  • this is funny and cool at the same time:

    https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/07/panthers-qb-baker-mayfield-revenge-browns/

    "So if Mayfield isn’t looking for revenge this weekend, then what is he looking for . . . ?

    “A big hug from Nicholas Chubb would be a really, really good gift,” he said when asked if he’s excited to embrace his old teammates on the field. “Just to hear him say a word would also be nice . . . the mime that he is.”

    Perhaps Mayfield (and Chubb) will save their words for when the game actually starts."

  • It's going to be a great game to watch - so tough to predict, so many questions.

    Offhand, I think the Brown's running game won't dominate the game at all. The browns passing game -

    who knows - the Panthers' secondary is going to be greatly improved, I think, and the qb facing them isn't known for his accuracy. With new wr's, who knows how that will go.

       With the Panther's oline greatly improved, qb greatly improved, with TE's being very, very solid blockers, with

    McCaffery healthy sp?, I think it's offense - Panthers advantage, regardless of the outstanding duo at rb.

    Defense - the Panthers are very much improved, and they were excellent early on last year vs the run, etc.

    Defense - don't know advantage for browns or not. It's complicated. Might be a great game for the browns defense...or not.

    The biggest problem I predict is Stefanski for the browns.

    The biggest advantage for the Panthers is improvements on offense....

    and more importantly, Ben McAdoo. OC. he is far more brilliant that Stefanski, with far more experience.

         without turnovers dooming one team or the other, I think the Panthers win based on players added and returning from injury, improved defense, and then McAdoo, I think, makes the major difference for the win.

    Just my guess - with qb accuracy a definite advantage with Baker healthy - and a more attacking offense, unpredictable offense by Carolina - it's going to be a fascinating game to watch. Carolina wins. I think. Who knows.

    @calfoxwc said:

    It's going to be a great game to watch - so tough to predict, so many questions.

    I think it's going to be a terrible game to watch if the last weather forecast I saw is accurate. "Rain, with a good chance of heavy rain." Yeah...no thank you. That means ugly, awful, slippery and up for anyone to take. But you know what. Who cares?! It's football season! 

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    "3rd and 37".

    ?????

    LOL LOL LOL

    dammit. I'm injured that hurts. LOL LOL

    dammit.