¿ Lamar Jackson turns down mega contract. Negotiations off for the season, mega greed ?
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Didn't read through the thread but this is all the product of the absolutely brain dead deal the Browns gave Watson. It reset the market. Jackson wants a fully guaranteed contract because Watson got one. Frankly the league should have never allowed the Watson deal to be fully guaranteed but here we are. Jackson won't be the last one to ask for it.
So Cincy pays Joe and Baltimore pays Lamar (eventually) they both get a boatload of guaranteed money and lose guys to Free agency.
Folks don’t have to attend games and buy the merchandise.
So Cincy pays Joe and Baltimore pays Lamar (eventually) they both get a boatload of guaranteed money and lose guys to Free agency.
Folks don’t have to attend games and buy the merchandise.
The Watson contract just set a really stupid precedent. We also both know people are still going to attend games. It just weakens the product on the field and if a guy goes down long term or has a career ender it's even worse. The cap will continually go up but fully guaranteed contracts, especially in the nfl just shouldn't be allowed. Similar happened with the rookie contracts, particularly the JaMarcus Russell deal. Now we have the rookie scale.
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Didn't read through the thread but this is all the product of the absolutely brain dead deal the Browns gave Watson. It reset the market. Jackson wants a fully guaranteed contract because Watson got one. Frankly the league should have never allowed the Watson deal to be fully guaranteed but here we are. Jackson won't be the last one to ask for it.
Didn't read through the thread but this is all the product of the absolutely brain dead deal the Browns gave Watson. It reset the market. Jackson wants a fully guaranteed contract because Watson got one. Frankly the league should have never allowed the Watson deal to be fully guaranteed but here we are. Jackson won't be the last one to ask for it.
Maybe on guaranteed money, but not $$$ per year. Rodgers is getting more... & the other top seven besides Watson are all making more than $40 million. It is what it is... Mahomes started the backup to the Brinks deals with his $250 million.
The Watson contract just set a really stupid precedent. We also both know people are still going to attend games. It just weakens the product on the field and if a guy goes down long term or has a career ender it's even worse. The cap will continually go up but fully guaranteed contracts, especially in the nfl just shouldn't be allowed. Similar happened with the rookie contracts, particularly the JaMarcus Russell deal. Now we have the rookie scale.
Took a bit, but IIRC almost all contracts in MLB are fully guaranteed.
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Didn't read through the thread but this is all the product of the absolutely brain dead deal the Browns gave Watson. It reset the market. Jackson wants a fully guaranteed contract because Watson got one. Frankly the league should have never allowed the Watson deal to be fully guaranteed but here we are. Jackson won't be the last one to ask for it.
Maybe on guaranteed money, but not $$$ per year. Rodgers is getting more... & the other top seven besides Watson are all making more than $40 million. It is what it is... Mahomes started the backup to the Brinks deals with his $250 million.
The Watson contract just set a really stupid precedent. We also both know people are still going to attend games. It just weakens the product on the field and if a guy goes down long term or has a career ender it's even worse. The cap will continually go up but fully guaranteed contracts, especially in the nfl just shouldn't be allowed. Similar happened with the rookie contracts, particularly the JaMarcus Russell deal. Now we have the rookie scale.
Took a bit, but IIRC almost all contracts in MLB are fully guaranteed.
Maybe on guaranteed money, but not $$$ per year. Rodgers is getting more... & the other top seven besides Watson are all making more than $40 million. It is what it is... Mahomes started the backup to the Brinks deals with his $250 million.
Took a bit, but IIRC almost all contracts in MLB are fully guaranteed.
The mlb is a total shit show tho. I think it is at least. I'm also only talking about the guaranteed money with Watson.
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Didn't read through the thread but this is all the product of the absolutely brain dead deal the Browns gave Watson. It reset the market. Jackson wants a fully guaranteed contract because Watson got one. Frankly the league should have never allowed the Watson deal to be fully guaranteed but here we are. Jackson won't be the last one to ask for it.
Didn't read through the thread but this is all the product of the absolutely brain dead deal the Browns gave Watson. It reset the market. Jackson wants a fully guaranteed contract because Watson got one. Frankly the league should have never allowed the Watson deal to be fully guaranteed but here we are. Jackson won't be the last one to ask for it.
It wasn't necessary to read through the thread. You're the first to be brutally honest. Easy to do if you're not a Browns fan.
It was right there in the original post for all to see.
However, this offer did fall short of the $230 million fully guaranteed contract that the Browns signed Deshaun Watson to after they acquired him in a trade with the Houston Texans. The report notes that fully guaranteed money is at the heart of the issue for Jackson and is looking to come as close to that $230 million guaranteed mark as possible.
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Didn't read through the thread but this is all the product of the absolutely brain dead deal the Browns gave Watson. It reset the market. Jackson wants a fully guaranteed contract because Watson got one. Frankly the league should have never allowed the Watson deal to be fully guaranteed but here we are. Jackson won't be the last one to ask for it.
It wasn't necessary to read through the thread. You're the first to be brutally honest. Easy to do if you're not a Browns fan.
It was right there in the original post for all to see.
However, this offer did fall short of the $230 million fully guaranteed contract that the Browns signed Deshaun Watson to after they acquired him in a trade with the Houston Texans. The report notes that fully guaranteed money is at the heart of the issue for Jackson and is looking to come as close to that $230 million guaranteed mark as possible.
It was right there in the original post for all to see.
However, this offer did fall short of the $230 million fully guaranteed contract that the Browns signed Deshaun Watson to after they acquired him in a trade with the Houston Texans. The report notes that fully guaranteed money is at the heart of the issue for Jackson and is looking to come as close to that $230 million guaranteed mark as possible.
True; but it looked to me like Jackson was hurt in 2021. Beside the games he missed, it looked like something was wrong with his throwing arm/shoulder or whatever (which never got disclosed IMO but I could be wrong here). I say that because his passing mechanics and throwing motion looked much different to me when he played. Something didn't look right at all. That's enough of a concern for a FO to not come close to guaranteeing 230 million $ to the only style of play the guy knows. What happened to similar QBs when the toll of running too much as the QB got older began leading to more frequent injuries (ie: Michael Vick)?
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It was right there in the original post for all to see.
However, this offer did fall short of the $230 million fully guaranteed contract that the Browns signed Deshaun Watson to after they acquired him in a trade with the Houston Texans. The report notes that fully guaranteed money is at the heart of the issue for Jackson and is looking to come as close to that $230 million guaranteed mark as possible.
True; but it looked to me like Jackson was hurt in 2021. Beside the games he missed, it looked like something was wrong with his throwing arm/shoulder or whatever (which never got disclosed IMO but I could be wrong here). I say that because his passing mechanics and throwing motion looked much different to me when he played. Something didn't look right at all. That's enough of a concern for a FO to not come close to guaranteeing 230 million $ to the only style of play the guy knows. What happened to similar QBs when the toll of running too much as the QB got older began leading to more frequent injuries (ie: Michael Vick)?
True; but it looked to me like Jackson was hurt in 2021. Beside the games he missed, it looked like something was wrong with his throwing arm/shoulder or whatever (which never got disclosed IMO but I could be wrong here). I say that because his passing mechanics and throwing motion looked much different to me when he played. Something didn't look right at all. That's enough of a concern for a FO to not come close to guaranteeing 230 million $ to the only style of play the guy knows. What happened to similar QBs when the toll of running too much as the QB got older began leading to more frequent injuries (ie: Michael Vick)?
Yes Jackson's style of play does up the probability he's eventually going to get hurt. He missed time last year.
But us peons can't comprehend why an extra $20 million on top of $200 million is such a big deal to these guys.
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It was right there in the original post for all to see.
However, this offer did fall short of the $230 million fully guaranteed contract that the Browns signed Deshaun Watson to after they acquired him in a trade with the Houston Texans. The report notes that fully guaranteed money is at the heart of the issue for Jackson and is looking to come as close to that $230 million guaranteed mark as possible.
True; but it looked to me like Jackson was hurt in 2021. Beside the games he missed, it looked like something was wrong with his throwing arm/shoulder or whatever (which never got disclosed IMO but I could be wrong here). I say that because his passing mechanics and throwing motion looked much different to me when he played. Something didn't look right at all. That's enough of a concern for a FO to not come close to guaranteeing 230 million $ to the only style of play the guy knows. What happened to similar QBs when the toll of running too much as the QB got older began leading to more frequent injuries (ie: Michael Vick)?
True; but it looked to me like Jackson was hurt in 2021. Beside the games he missed, it looked like something was wrong with his throwing arm/shoulder or whatever (which never got disclosed IMO but I could be wrong here). I say that because his passing mechanics and throwing motion looked much different to me when he played. Something didn't look right at all. That's enough of a concern for a FO to not come close to guaranteeing 230 million $ to the only style of play the guy knows. What happened to similar QBs when the toll of running too much as the QB got older began leading to more frequent injuries (ie: Michael Vick)?
True. The more you run especially in open field the more LBs, SSs and others will get some good shots on you.
And the QBs unlike RBs and others can't easily just sit it out for a series here and there without screwing up the game plan. Remember the starting QB is the most valuable and the most expensive player in all team sports....... (maybe except some of those European soccer stars, why I don't really know.
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And repetitive hits can add up....but one good one can take you o-u-t.
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True; but it looked to me like Jackson was hurt in 2021. Beside the games he missed, it looked like something was wrong with his throwing arm/shoulder or whatever (which never got disclosed IMO but I could be wrong here). I say that because his passing mechanics and throwing motion looked much different to me when he played. Something didn't look right at all. That's enough of a concern for a FO to not come close to guaranteeing 230 million $ to the only style of play the guy knows. What happened to similar QBs when the toll of running too much as the QB got older began leading to more frequent injuries (ie: Michael Vick)?
Yes Jackson's style of play does up the probability he's eventually going to get hurt. He missed time last year.
But us peons can't comprehend why an extra $20 million on top of $200 million is such a big deal to these guys.
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It was right there in the original post for all to see.
However, this offer did fall short of the $230 million fully guaranteed contract that the Browns signed Deshaun Watson to after they acquired him in a trade with the Houston Texans. The report notes that fully guaranteed money is at the heart of the issue for Jackson and is looking to come as close to that $230 million guaranteed mark as possible.
True; but it looked to me like Jackson was hurt in 2021. Beside the games he missed, it looked like something was wrong with his throwing arm/shoulder or whatever (which never got disclosed IMO but I could be wrong here). I say that because his passing mechanics and throwing motion looked much different to me when he played. Something didn't look right at all. That's enough of a concern for a FO to not come close to guaranteeing 230 million $ to the only style of play the guy knows. What happened to similar QBs when the toll of running too much as the QB got older began leading to more frequent injuries (ie: Michael Vick)?
True; but it looked to me like Jackson was hurt in 2021. Beside the games he missed, it looked like something was wrong with his throwing arm/shoulder or whatever (which never got disclosed IMO but I could be wrong here). I say that because his passing mechanics and throwing motion looked much different to me when he played. Something didn't look right at all. That's enough of a concern for a FO to not come close to guaranteeing 230 million $ to the only style of play the guy knows. What happened to similar QBs when the toll of running too much as the QB got older began leading to more frequent injuries (ie: Michael Vick)?
He's been a helluva football player, the kid wins. (Or he wins in the regular season at a prolific pace) I never look forward to the Browns defense trying to stop him.
But I think he's hit his peak, and will decline in the future seasons. I don't think he's going to fall off the cliff, but the decline is beginning.
Honestly, I kind of think the Ravens feel this way too.
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True; but it looked to me like Jackson was hurt in 2021. Beside the games he missed, it looked like something was wrong with his throwing arm/shoulder or whatever (which never got disclosed IMO but I could be wrong here). I say that because his passing mechanics and throwing motion looked much different to me when he played. Something didn't look right at all. That's enough of a concern for a FO to not come close to guaranteeing 230 million $ to the only style of play the guy knows. What happened to similar QBs when the toll of running too much as the QB got older began leading to more frequent injuries (ie: Michael Vick)?
Yes Jackson's style of play does up the probability he's eventually going to get hurt. He missed time last year.
But us peons can't comprehend why an extra $20 million on top of $200 million is such a big deal to these guys.
But us peons can't comprehend why an extra $20 million on top of $200 million is such a big deal to these guys.
The same way some low class worker from your town won't comprehend why you getting a pay rise was such a big deal to you when you were already winning doctor money.
It's all about perspective, and these rich guys are asking money to 100x richer guys, while they play one of the most demanding and demanded sports.
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True; but it looked to me like Jackson was hurt in 2021. Beside the games he missed, it looked like something was wrong with his throwing arm/shoulder or whatever (which never got disclosed IMO but I could be wrong here). I say that because his passing mechanics and throwing motion looked much different to me when he played. Something didn't look right at all. That's enough of a concern for a FO to not come close to guaranteeing 230 million $ to the only style of play the guy knows. What happened to similar QBs when the toll of running too much as the QB got older began leading to more frequent injuries (ie: Michael Vick)?
He's been a helluva football player, the kid wins. (Or he wins in the regular season at a prolific pace) I never look forward to the Browns defense trying to stop him.
But I think he's hit his peak, and will decline in the future seasons. I don't think he's going to fall off the cliff, but the decline is beginning.
Honestly, I kind of think the Ravens feel this way too.
He's been a helluva football player, the kid wins. (Or he wins in the regular season at a prolific pace) I never look forward to the Browns defense trying to stop him.
But I think he's hit his peak, and will decline in the future seasons. I don't think he's going to fall off the cliff, but the decline is beginning.
Honestly, I kind of think the Ravens feel this way too.
Yeah, I think you're right about all of it. Last year, he led his team in rushing with 767 yards (2 TDs). However, when we speak of the elite passers like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes - LJ's TD:INT ratio was 16 TDs to 13 INTs. Allen's was 36 TDs to 15 INTs - Mahomes' was 37 TDs to 13 INTs - Brady's was 42 TDs to 12 INTs. The SB Champion QB Matthew Stafford had 41 TD passes to 17 INTs.
The year before that, Lamar rushed for 1005 yards (7 TDs); and had a much better TD:INT ratio of 26 TD passes to 9 INTs (ranking closer to Baker than Mahomes or Allen though). Allen's was 37 TD passes to 10 INTs - Mahomes' was 38 TD passes to 6 INTs - Brady's was 40 TDs to 12 INTs.
As we've seen first hand, Lamar brings so many different things to defend that it's tough to only look at his passing numbers in comparison to the elite passers. Having said that, his style of play expedites his wear and tear and overall depreciation we're talking about that concerns the Ravens about the guaranteed money stuff. I also think if Lamar's style of play had already won them a SB beating post season teams with elite passers in the process - the Ravens would have paid the man what he wants.
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He's been a helluva football player, the kid wins. (Or he wins in the regular season at a prolific pace) I never look forward to the Browns defense trying to stop him.
But I think he's hit his peak, and will decline in the future seasons. I don't think he's going to fall off the cliff, but the decline is beginning.
Honestly, I kind of think the Ravens feel this way too.
Yeah, I think you're right about all of it. Last year, he led his team in rushing with 767 yards (2 TDs). However, when we speak of the elite passers like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes - LJ's TD:INT ratio was 16 TDs to 13 INTs. Allen's was 36 TDs to 15 INTs - Mahomes' was 37 TDs to 13 INTs - Brady's was 42 TDs to 12 INTs. The SB Champion QB Matthew Stafford had 41 TD passes to 17 INTs.
The year before that, Lamar rushed for 1005 yards (7 TDs); and had a much better TD:INT ratio of 26 TD passes to 9 INTs (ranking closer to Baker than Mahomes or Allen though). Allen's was 37 TD passes to 10 INTs - Mahomes' was 38 TD passes to 6 INTs - Brady's was 40 TDs to 12 INTs.
As we've seen first hand, Lamar brings so many different things to defend that it's tough to only look at his passing numbers in comparison to the elite passers. Having said that, his style of play expedites his wear and tear and overall depreciation we're talking about that concerns the Ravens about the guaranteed money stuff. I also think if Lamar's style of play had already won them a SB beating post season teams with elite passers in the process - the Ravens would have paid the man what he wants.
Yeah, I think you're right about all of it. Last year, he led his team in rushing with 767 yards (2 TDs). However, when we speak of the elite passers like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes - LJ's TD:INT ratio was 16 TDs to 13 INTs. Allen's was 36 TDs to 15 INTs - Mahomes' was 37 TDs to 13 INTs - Brady's was 42 TDs to 12 INTs. The SB Champion QB Matthew Stafford had 41 TD passes to 17 INTs.
The year before that, Lamar rushed for 1005 yards (7 TDs); and had a much better TD:INT ratio of 26 TD passes to 9 INTs (ranking closer to Baker than Mahomes or Allen though). Allen's was 37 TD passes to 10 INTs - Mahomes' was 38 TD passes to 6 INTs - Brady's was 40 TDs to 12 INTs.
As we've seen first hand, Lamar brings so many different things to defend that it's tough to only look at his passing numbers in comparison to the elite passers. Having said that, his style of play expedites his wear and tear and overall depreciation we're talking about that concerns the Ravens about the guaranteed money stuff. I also think if Lamar's style of play had already won them a SB beating post season teams with elite passers in the process - the Ravens would have paid the man what he wants.
The reality is... The window is incredibly small for Lamar , staying with Lamar if ya follow me... He's great if you have a team that's "Built to win it all now" kind of team... I think they fall a couple of birds short of that (the Rats)
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It's not greet. It's the smart thing to do.
And that's partially thanks to us
agreed get as much as you can while you can
agreed get as much as you can while you can
Yep. If the owners can do it, so can the players.
The owners surely can afford to up the salaries of all players.
Look at the Amazon TV deal, which short changes NFL fans everywhere (Thursday Night Football) while the owners line their pockets.
We won't be around to see it, but the way things are going a long snapper will make $5 million eventually.
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Yeah, I think you're right about all of it. Last year, he led his team in rushing with 767 yards (2 TDs). However, when we speak of the elite passers like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes - LJ's TD:INT ratio was 16 TDs to 13 INTs. Allen's was 36 TDs to 15 INTs - Mahomes' was 37 TDs to 13 INTs - Brady's was 42 TDs to 12 INTs. The SB Champion QB Matthew Stafford had 41 TD passes to 17 INTs.
The year before that, Lamar rushed for 1005 yards (7 TDs); and had a much better TD:INT ratio of 26 TD passes to 9 INTs (ranking closer to Baker than Mahomes or Allen though). Allen's was 37 TD passes to 10 INTs - Mahomes' was 38 TD passes to 6 INTs - Brady's was 40 TDs to 12 INTs.
As we've seen first hand, Lamar brings so many different things to defend that it's tough to only look at his passing numbers in comparison to the elite passers. Having said that, his style of play expedites his wear and tear and overall depreciation we're talking about that concerns the Ravens about the guaranteed money stuff. I also think if Lamar's style of play had already won them a SB beating post season teams with elite passers in the process - the Ravens would have paid the man what he wants.
The reality is... The window is incredibly small for Lamar , staying with Lamar if ya follow me... He's great if you have a team that's "Built to win it all now" kind of team... I think they fall a couple of birds short of that (the Rats)
The reality is... The window is incredibly small for Lamar , staying with Lamar if ya follow me... He's great if you have a team that's "Built to win it all now" kind of team... I think they fall a couple of birds short of that (the Rats)
I wish he played in some other division so I could appreciate what he does out there. It almost seems unfair a guy like Dilfer didn't even have to outscore his defense on Sundays to be a Superbowl Champion. Then again, THANK GOD that's not the situation in Ratville today.
I used to think Michael Vick was fast until I saw Lamar play. In the NFL he consistently outruns DBs and linebackers that have some pretty good pursuit angles on him. I see why he never wanted to run any 40s pre-draft. Everybody would have wanted him to play WR or RB. At least at QB, he's been able to run the ball or throw it whenever he wants. All this almost makes me forget he won the Heisman Trophy mostly because of his impressive passing performances/stats one year. A lot of Heisman QBs are finding out the hard way the NFL passing game is an entirely different animal. Right Baker? Baker?
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The reality is... The window is incredibly small for Lamar , staying with Lamar if ya follow me... He's great if you have a team that's "Built to win it all now" kind of team... I think they fall a couple of birds short of that (the Rats)
I wish he played in some other division so I could appreciate what he does out there. It almost seems unfair a guy like Dilfer didn't even have to outscore his defense on Sundays to be a Superbowl Champion. Then again, THANK GOD that's not the situation in Ratville today.
I used to think Michael Vick was fast until I saw Lamar play. In the NFL he consistently outruns DBs and linebackers that have some pretty good pursuit angles on him. I see why he never wanted to run any 40s pre-draft. Everybody would have wanted him to play WR or RB. At least at QB, he's been able to run the ball or throw it whenever he wants. All this almost makes me forget he won the Heisman Trophy mostly because of his impressive passing performances/stats one year. A lot of Heisman QBs are finding out the hard way the NFL passing game is an entirely different animal. Right Baker? Baker?
I wish he played in some other division so I could appreciate what he does out there. It almost seems unfair a guy like Dilfer didn't even have to outscore his defense on Sundays to be a Superbowl Champion. Then again, THANK GOD that's not the situation in Ratville today.
I used to think Michael Vick was fast until I saw Lamar play. In the NFL he consistently outruns DBs and linebackers that have some pretty good pursuit angles on him. I see why he never wanted to run any 40s pre-draft. Everybody would have wanted him to play WR or RB. At least at QB, he's been able to run the ball or throw it whenever he wants. All this almost makes me forget he won the Heisman Trophy mostly because of his impressive passing performances/stats one year. A lot of Heisman QBs are finding out the hard way the NFL passing game is an entirely different animal. Right Baker? Baker?
Like the bill of false goods one gets with Kyler "cry baby' Murray...
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I wish he played in some other division so I could appreciate what he does out there. It almost seems unfair a guy like Dilfer didn't even have to outscore his defense on Sundays to be a Superbowl Champion. Then again, THANK GOD that's not the situation in Ratville today.
I used to think Michael Vick was fast until I saw Lamar play. In the NFL he consistently outruns DBs and linebackers that have some pretty good pursuit angles on him. I see why he never wanted to run any 40s pre-draft. Everybody would have wanted him to play WR or RB. At least at QB, he's been able to run the ball or throw it whenever he wants. All this almost makes me forget he won the Heisman Trophy mostly because of his impressive passing performances/stats one year. A lot of Heisman QBs are finding out the hard way the NFL passing game is an entirely different animal. Right Baker? Baker?
Like the bill of false goods one gets with Kyler "cry baby' Murray...
Like the bill of false goods one gets with Kyler "cry baby' Murray...
Yeah, something like that. Or, like John Blutarsky-Manziel.
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I see where the Ravens are coming from - big money guaranteed to a running QB and the Browns are sorry for guaranteeing money at that position that the Ravens and Bengals will soon owe their QBs. Maybe they should draft and start the next Kyle Boller.
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I see where the Ravens are coming from - big money guaranteed to a running QB and the Browns are sorry for guaranteeing money at that position that the Ravens and Bengals will soon owe their QBs. Maybe they should draft and start the next Kyle Boller.
I see where the Ravens are coming from - big money guaranteed to a running QB and the Browns are sorry for guaranteeing money at that position that the Ravens and Bengals will soon owe their QBs. Maybe they should draft and start the next Kyle Boller.
I was doing fine until that last sentence.
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agreed get as much as you can while you can
Yep. If the owners can do it, so can the players.
The owners surely can afford to up the salaries of all players.
Look at the Amazon TV deal, which short changes NFL fans everywhere (Thursday Night Football) while the owners line their pockets.
We won't be around to see it, but the way things are going a long snapper will make $5 million eventually.
The owners surely can afford to up the salaries of all players
Part of that upping is an increase in salary guarantees -- which is the other reason Browns had few takers for Baker because other teams wanted to Send A Message regarding the DW guaranteed monies. Baker would look a lot better in Seattle than whichever guy is starting this week out there who wouldn't even start at Ohio State..
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