2022 Draft Prospects and off-season addition breakdowns.
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This one was a good deal more straight forward.
The 75 yard bomb to Robbie Anderson.....
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Long and short of this one. In qtr/qtr like that, Newesome stays on all of the #1. Only exception being for something like 2 trap, which would mean the #2 going out he could jump, turning the #1 over to JJ3. But RARELY if ever does that landmark fall past 5-6 yards, and almost never when your safety is that shallow. Meaning this is quarters outside the whole way, and Johnny J is reading 3 flat to 2 vertical, and the #2 is who he picks up past 8 yards. It's all about eyes and chemistry because you don't have time to yell and process a response in space this condensed.
For reasons I don't understand, Newsome chops his feet when he see's JJ3 cross his eyes, like he expected his safety to pickup Anderson vertical and he falls off to the #2 going out. Even if that were the call, there's no way you'd make that switch at this depth.
I believe JJ3 was playing this correctly, but this is what bothers me - Newsome turns around when Anderson is in the endzone and starts getting a bit wild in conveying VERY vocally how upset he is. Which either means he didn't understand the call, or he didn't get the right call.
Given his attitude on the sidelines.... found here.......
Head down
Quiet
Watching tablet along with JJ3
That all leads me to believe Greg understood the problem in the communication was his read on the design. All that aside, there is a trend on both of these busts I don't like and absolutely needs to be cleaned up, and that is the calls and communication that begins and is disseminated from John Johnson to the other DB's. You're the leader, if you think there are calls your DB's didn't get, aren't playing correctly or working their reads as they should, then it needs to get handled immediately between you, them and your coaches.
I'd expect renewed focus this upcoming week on the fundamentals of constant communication. Because if I see more bullshit like this against Joe Flacco and a questionable Oline, then I'm going to start asking questions about our personnel's ability, and our coaches ability to make sure the correct calls are installed.
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Last one for the night.
The coaches dialed up a great opening drive, and some creative designs in the running game. I'll get to those another day, but this was supposed to be the night cap that ended the drive. Or at the very worst, put the Browns knocking on the door to a TD. It was a gift from Stef, poorly accepted and executed by Jacoby.
A little tell or clue on coverage.
- When you see inside shade to your solo
- Outside shade to your #3 and #2
That means you should have it in your head that DB's expecting help to the inside. Unless they're overplaying negative breaks, which would be more common in tighter clock situations before the half.
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Man coverage stays true. Cover 1 with a low hole from the MIKE. So the weakside backer picks up Hunt in man. Of course they can have a call between the backers where, if Hunt immediately releases across the face of his QB, the MIKE would track the RB in man and the WILL would drop to a low hole.
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This is where we start to see Jacoby fucking this play up.
AC squares up the CB with an insight jump, then he continues to use that momentum to rip inside of the corner and carry upfield. As a result from bad contact and GREAT work from AC with his hands throwing away the DB's arms, our newly minted WR has now won his route to the inside.
A couple rules from this type of play when you're reading single high.
- The WR is responsible for beating his man and protecting his QB from the CB. So if he wins inside, he has to use his body to shield off the DB should he recover back inside.
- The QB is responsible for protecting the WR from the middle field safety. This means you have to lock your eyes down the middle and hold that DB there while this route develops. Giving the MFS a glance then immediately turning while your WR is still negative depth from the CB is a great way to lose this rep.
- That's the point of having a great receiver solo'd up like this. You want to get him on CB's that simply can't matchup. The overwhelming majority of the time, QB's want to target this X.
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And this is what I mean. AC has clearly broken from the CB, but Jacoby's eyes have ruined how this throw went. If that safety is still sitting down the hash for another half to full second, THEN JB turns to deliver, I'm willing to be this was a touchdown. Protection was good, so no excuse there.
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Now, had Jacoby seen the DB fall, and with the internal clock in his head, know that he didn't hold the MFS long enough (therefore selling out this throw) then he could have ripped it to a shorter space on more of a line drive. That would have given you a big completion, a 1st down conversion and the shot at AC possibly making a house call if he breaks a tackle. Because at this point, it's Coop vs the safety getting him to the ground.
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Instead we get a high arch like it's going to be dropped in the bread basket from a helicopter. Admittedly, it would have worked perfectly fine had he held the god damn safety.
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As a result, AC chops his feet for a fraction of a second, and the DB's path squeezes him a step outside as opposed to just continuing on a straight line underneath the ball flight.
Believe me when I say, from a play calling perspective, this was a treat of an opening series. But even though you call it right, doesn't mean it gets executed that way. I was critical of Baker about this same type of non-cerebral and hurried play style. Almost like you're too anxious and can't get your head back around to snap on the throw. Because some proper eye discipline turns this into the TD it should have been and, on top of the 1st half defense, likely busts this game open early.
It's the NFL equivalent of the "You had ONE job" meme, and JB messed up his job on this play.
I need more from Jacoby. Not a whole hell of a lot more, but this is a shot most NFL QB's should and would be making. These are the throws he has to hit if this team is to continue winning low scoring contests. The Browns thankfully got the dub, but stuff like this comes back to bite you in the ass at some point.
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@flugel the cover 2 twist the Bears ran that I mentioned.
Their typical cover 2
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The cover 2 variant with the 3 man rush and the line drop playing under the #3 to the low hole.
- Show the hands. Show your previous call.
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Add the twist that catches Jacoby by surprise....
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3 Tech falls off after carrying Njoku upfield a bit, and then looks for work in the replaced zone or anything working horizontal/under. This caught Jacoby off guard and he had to slide off the spot to find his receiver underneath.
Just a sweet little change-up to playing your classic C2 flavor.
Speaking of cover 2, going over that game losing drive and a couple of Woods' calls when it mattered most. I'll be back with more on that.
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3/3
I was encouraged by JB's work against single high man along with that above with those split field coverages (two different coverages, split by the middle of the field. Cover 6 is an example. Cover 4 to one side, cover 2 to the other)
This REALLY helped show me a new side of JB and to give me some ease.
- A type of dig/switch concept along with having that #3 inline TE running a deep over.
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- This play was almost fucked at the snap. The DB sitting over the TE had the green light to go and the TE went to help the RT downblock during the ball fake.
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- Jacoby plants his back foot, trusts his back and TE to recover and senses pressure. Cool and collectively he starts his pocket climb as pressure is directed past him. The whole time not dropping his eyes.
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- While climbing, Jacoby is working towards the pressure side expecting his 1 on 1 with Gieseki. He reads man, but the TE staying to help his LT means the coverage he would have drawn is now free to sit underneath that deep over. So his primary is technically doubled covered now. But he still identifies man coverage and works well in tight spaces.
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JB resets to his right knowing the middle of the field will be vacant at intermediate depth. Only issue is that RG crossing his face is in the throwing window. So he has to hang tight, make his sutbles moves and anticipate his throwing point/window/lane.
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- The RG has cleared past Jacoby and he's hanging out past the right shoulder of the center. Finds his windows and fires to Devante' Parker stemming his route down and inside.
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No further words needed here past the yellow.
Yes, the post Baker era is going to start... weird. I get it and I get the nerves. But I'm here to tell you, don't be afraid of this team finding success, and don't be afraid of this team starting Brissett.
Of course the health of himself and his Oline is also a given. But I see a QB who understands the things unfolding in front of him and plays much more like a capable traditional pocket passer. His eyes don't drop needlessly and his ability to survey the field from tighter spaces already looks a fair bit better than Mayfields. Which is sad because that's not something I want to say. Yes, does processing speed need to be increased? Sure. Time and reps might be just what he needs.
It's incredibly possible Baker comes back here and kicks our ass week 1. It's the NFL. The Panthers are also setting up there offense in a manner that does exploit ours - interior running game that builds play action. Both things Baker has shown the need to have in order to operate. If the IDL was where I'd like to see it, I'd bet money Browns by 10 week 1, but I can't because I actually gamble and tend to make educated decisions.
By that same mold, this defensive staff knows Bakers weaknesses like their own. And I'd venture anything we've seen our opponents throw at him previously will all be on the table week 1. To me it comes down to talent and execution. The Panthers have the resources to out talent us at IDL, the Browns have the resources to slow down the Panthers passing game with our superior secondary. Great contrasting of styles.
But do not be afraid of Jacoby leading this team. I know this won't be popular to say, I'm beginning to see evidence that would help me build a genuine belief that he can/could put up comparable numbers to Baker, should he digest the language, understand the structure, and begin to develop a decent rapport with his receivers. Flirting with a 62% completion rate, 240ypg and 11:6 ish maybe 12:7 TD-INT ratio is looking REALLY realistic at this moment. It's because of my watching the last day or so, that I know the Browns won't go after Jimmy G should Deshaun be out more than 6 games. This front office knows JB can handle a decent dose of this offense if given the time to execute.
The plays I've shown here are a sample of what I've wanted Baker to do routinely with this team for so long. And I'm not mincing words when I say, if he had, he would very likely still be QB'ing this team.
I know this won't be popular to say, I'm beginning to see evidence that would help me build a genuine belief that he can/could put up comparable numbers to Baker, should he digest the language, understand the structure, and begin to develop a decent rapport with his receivers.
This breakdown took me a handful of hours. For some, it might just a few screen shots and a few paragraphs. But I don't think most people appreciate the amount of time it takes just to produce even that. Starting from scratch, watching, charting, rewatching, recharting, doing markups, step by step developments then finalizing along with typing out the bullet points.
@nickers I deleted your post, but I forget it was quoted by Tex. Screen shotted that, but had to remind you that you responded with this....
....... which took you all of about 45 seconds for you. There was no "Hmm, ok good points, here's why I disagree". No acknowledgement of the time I put in either to try and maybe convey some knowledge. Just calling my work "bullshit" and moving on.
Well I felt the need to update you through week 3.
Jacoby:
66.30% comp
4 TD's
1 INT 4:1 ratio
208 YPG
6.69 AVG
Baker through 3 games in 2020.
64.36%
5 TD's
2 INTS 2.5:1 ratio
188YPG
7.03 avg
I'm not here to rub my assessment, which appears to have been pretty god damn spot on, all up in your face. I'm only here to use you as an example.
Should I, or anyone else for that matter, do the courtesy of breakdowns on this board in an attempt to help raise the discussion level of this group and add something positive the the environment, unless somebody has something worth adding to the discussion, either avoid posting entirely or simply say "good work" and move on.
Browns 2-1 with Jacoby Brissett under center.
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@tiamat63 Brissett may not be an elite talent, but his performance has been ranging from good enough to excellent so far. Also seems he is improving each week, as he builds a rapport with his receivers. Cooper had his first 100-yard game since 2016 yesterday. Njoku played as well as I remember seeing him. If JB keeps this up, it's going to be damn hard to bench him for Watson when his suspension is over.
Keep the good stuff coming, thanks!
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The offense isn't even a concern. The defense on the other hand...
Pitsburg has one of the worst O-lines in football, but managed to neutralize our pass rush for 99% of the game. And after rightfully being criticized for the plays they gave up the first two games, our secondary now only focussed on preventing getting beat over the top.
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The offense isn't even a concern. The defense on the other hand...
Pitsburg has one of the worst O-lines in football, but managed to neutralize our pass rush for 99% of the game. And after rightfully being criticized for the plays they gave up the first two games, our secondary now only focussed on preventing getting beat over the top.
If this doesn't improve, better teams and QBs are going to have a field day against us.
Pitsburg has one of the worst O-lines in football, but managed to neutralize our pass rush for 99% of the game.
If this doesn't improve, better teams and QBs are going to have a field day against us.Pretty much a 'to be expected' type of mentality on this one.
Outside of Myles, we have no additional pass rush from anywhere along the line unless Clowney is back.
- Wright is a rookie that has 1 pressure on a ton of snaps.
- Taven Bryan was an RAS warrior, not so much a quality football player.
- Double T, god love him for the Buckeye he is, was a tweener even in college.
- Jordan Elliot is a role player and not much more.
- The rest of the edge group outside of Myles and Clowney is incredibly 'who?'.
There was a reason I was so excited about any potential that Perrion Winfrey may have shown, and it really was paralleled by how the Rams built their defensive front last year. You have the value on the IDL right up the middle with gap pluggers (Gaines) you have an elite interior pass rusher (Donald) and then an elite edge rusher (Von)
In the modern NFL, you need two pass rushers anymore. Having Clowney across from Myles is great, don't get me wrong. But if PW was to emerge as a rushing threat from the 3 tech? That's how I prefer to build my front. Because dealing with pressure from the edge AND IDL makes things a whole lot more difficult for coaches and QB's as opposed to just edge pressure alone from both sides.
Sadly this team hasn't put any decent picks into IDL for any reason the last 5 years. Top 100 picks spent there are Jordan Elliot and..... that's it. So unless you get quality players over in free agency or trade, if those mid round picks don't hit, you're in a world of hurt with receipts to show that you didn't really put priority on the position to begin with.
ATL might not be able to exploit this group, but the Pats sure as hell can, have and will continue to.
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Allow me to go all Ohio State homer, but I'd love to see the Browns look hard at TE Cade Stover
He's bounced around some in Columbus (used to play LB) but looks pretty damn good at TE now, and would look great with Njoku.
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@tiamat63has me convinced we need to use 2nd rounder to draft the best DT available, or trade for one. I would also say that is unlikely, as that doesn't fit into the algorithms the Ivy leaguers use. They just seem to rate edges and corners higher.
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Allow me to go all Ohio State homer, but I'd love to see the Browns look hard at TE Cade Stover
He's bounced around some in Columbus (used to play LB) but looks pretty damn good at TE now, and would look great with Njoku.
Allow me to go all Ohio State homer, but I'd love to see the Browns look hard at TE Cade Stover
Farm boy from Lexington too.
@tiamat63has me convinced we need to use 2nd rounder to draft the best DT available, or trade for one. I would also say that is unlikely, as that doesn't fit into the algorithms the Ivy leaguers use. They just seem to rate edges and corners higher.
Noticing a trend watching more of the coaches film from other teams while I place my wagers this morning.... awful lot of calls starting or ending with 2 high shell shifts. I'm even seeing this evolution within the Browns organization itself with Joe Woods, who was a pretty single high predominant type of coach in Denver and early on in CLE. The shift from the back half of 2020 was out of pure necessity. Then you saw a mix last year. This season has been almost none existent save for here and there.
The cover 3 and cover 1 single highs that were all the rage for the better part of a decade are.... slowly vanishing? I suspect it's for several different reasons. But if that's the case, I'm curious how blitz rates this season look across the league. Wouldn't surprise me to see them drop, considering the renewed focus on defensive holding and the flag happy nature of NFL refs to begin with.
All of this adds up, IMHO, to putting a more concentrated effort to devoting resources to your defensive front and making sure your pass rush generates quality pressure edge to interior.
Doesn't mean the Browns HAVE to spend a 2nd round pick on IDL. The guys of my eye the last few years have been...
Gregg Gaines 4th round
Poona Ford UDFA
Alim McNeil 3rd round
Bravvion Roy 7th round
But the key is to put in the work to find them, have the eye for talent and to not stop bringing in SOME type of talent every year. What the Browns have done the last 6 seasons is criminal. And the fact you had podcasts, beat-writers and journalists attempting to pimp Logan Glen as possibly making this roster is really a highlight of how far the standard as fallen.
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Allow me to go all Ohio State homer, but I'd love to see the Browns look hard at TE Cade Stover
Farm boy from Lexington too.
@tiamat63has me convinced we need to use 2nd rounder to draft the best DT available, or trade for one. I would also say that is unlikely, as that doesn't fit into the algorithms the Ivy leaguers use. They just seem to rate edges and corners higher.
Noticing a trend watching more of the coaches film from other teams while I place my wagers this morning.... awful lot of calls starting or ending with 2 high shell shifts. I'm even seeing this evolution within the Browns organization itself with Joe Woods, who was a pretty single high predominant type of coach in Denver and early on in CLE. The shift from the back half of 2020 was out of pure necessity. Then you saw a mix last year. This season has been almost none existent save for here and there.
The cover 3 and cover 1 single highs that were all the rage for the better part of a decade are.... slowly vanishing? I suspect it's for several different reasons. But if that's the case, I'm curious how blitz rates this season look across the league. Wouldn't surprise me to see them drop, considering the renewed focus on defensive holding and the flag happy nature of NFL refs to begin with.
All of this adds up, IMHO, to putting a more concentrated effort to devoting resources to your defensive front and making sure your pass rush generates quality pressure edge to interior.
Doesn't mean the Browns HAVE to spend a 2nd round pick on IDL. The guys of my eye the last few years have been...
Gregg Gaines 4th round
Poona Ford UDFA
Alim McNeil 3rd round
Bravvion Roy 7th round
But the key is to put in the work to find them, have the eye for talent and to not stop bringing in SOME type of talent every year. What the Browns have done the last 6 seasons is criminal. And the fact you had podcasts, beat-writers and journalists attempting to pimp Logan Glen as possibly making this roster is really a highlight of how far the standard as fallen.
Farm boy from Lexington too.
Noticing a trend watching more of the coaches film from other teams while I place my wagers this morning.... awful lot of calls starting or ending with 2 high shell shifts. I'm evening seeing this evolution within the Browns organization itself with Joe Woods, who was a pretty single high predominant type of coach in Denver and early on in CLE. The shift from the back half of 2020 was out of pure necessity. Then you saw a mix last year. This season has been almost none existent save for here and there.
The cover 3 and cover 1 single highs that were all the rage for the better part of a decade are.... slowly vanishing? I suspect it's for several different reasons. But if that's the case, I'm curious how blitz rates these season look across the league. Wouldn't surprise me to see them drop, considering the renewed focus on defensive holding and the flag happy nature of NFL refs to begin with.
All of this adds up, IMHO, to putting a more concentrated effort to devoting resources to your defensive front and making sure your pass rush generates quality pressure edge to interior.
Doesn't mean the Browns HAVE to spend a 2nd round pick on IDL. The guys of my eye the last few years have been...
Gregg Gaines 4th round
Poona Ford UDFA
Alim McNeil 3rd round
Bravvion Roy 7th round
But the key is to put in the work to find them, have the eye for talent and to not bring in SOME type of talent every year. What the Browns have done the last 6 seasons is criminal. And the fact you had podcasts, beat-writers and journalists attempting to pimp Logan Glen as possibly making this roster is really a highlight of how far the standard as fallen.
With Winfrey apparently deemed unworthy to suit up, and seeing our D-line struggle against Pitsburg, do we see Suh becoming an option for a one year mercenary deal? Especially if we are in a position to reach the play-offs towards the end of the season.
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Farm boy from Lexington too.
Noticing a trend watching more of the coaches film from other teams while I place my wagers this morning.... awful lot of calls starting or ending with 2 high shell shifts. I'm evening seeing this evolution within the Browns organization itself with Joe Woods, who was a pretty single high predominant type of coach in Denver and early on in CLE. The shift from the back half of 2020 was out of pure necessity. Then you saw a mix last year. This season has been almost none existent save for here and there.
The cover 3 and cover 1 single highs that were all the rage for the better part of a decade are.... slowly vanishing? I suspect it's for several different reasons. But if that's the case, I'm curious how blitz rates these season look across the league. Wouldn't surprise me to see them drop, considering the renewed focus on defensive holding and the flag happy nature of NFL refs to begin with.
All of this adds up, IMHO, to putting a more concentrated effort to devoting resources to your defensive front and making sure your pass rush generates quality pressure edge to interior.
Doesn't mean the Browns HAVE to spend a 2nd round pick on IDL. The guys of my eye the last few years have been...
Gregg Gaines 4th round
Poona Ford UDFA
Alim McNeil 3rd round
Bravvion Roy 7th round
But the key is to put in the work to find them, have the eye for talent and to not bring in SOME type of talent every year. What the Browns have done the last 6 seasons is criminal. And the fact you had podcasts, beat-writers and journalists attempting to pimp Logan Glen as possibly making this roster is really a highlight of how far the standard as fallen.
With Winfrey apparently deemed unworthy to suit up, and seeing our D-line struggle against Pitsburg, do we see Suh becoming an option for a one year mercenary deal? Especially if we are in a position to reach the play-offs towards the end of the season.
With Winfrey apparently deemed unworthy to suit up, and seeing our D-line struggle against Pitsburg, do we see Suh becoming an option for a one year mercenary deal? Especially if we are in a position to reach the play-offs towards the end of the season.
Nothing wrong with your ambition at all KD! I live in the Tampa area and the word is Suh doesn't want to play football any more unless he either gets really overpaid or he's guaranteed to play on a team that goes very deep into the post season.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
For reference, the draft picks the Browns currently have for the 2023 NFL Draft:
First Round: None
Second Round: (1)
Third Round: (1)
Fourth Round: (2)
Fifth Round: (2)
Sixth Round: (1)
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Allow me to go all Ohio State homer, but I'd love to see the Browns look hard at TE Cade Stover
Farm boy from Lexington too.
@tiamat63has me convinced we need to use 2nd rounder to draft the best DT available, or trade for one. I would also say that is unlikely, as that doesn't fit into the algorithms the Ivy leaguers use. They just seem to rate edges and corners higher.
Noticing a trend watching more of the coaches film from other teams while I place my wagers this morning.... awful lot of calls starting or ending with 2 high shell shifts. I'm even seeing this evolution within the Browns organization itself with Joe Woods, who was a pretty single high predominant type of coach in Denver and early on in CLE. The shift from the back half of 2020 was out of pure necessity. Then you saw a mix last year. This season has been almost none existent save for here and there.
The cover 3 and cover 1 single highs that were all the rage for the better part of a decade are.... slowly vanishing? I suspect it's for several different reasons. But if that's the case, I'm curious how blitz rates this season look across the league. Wouldn't surprise me to see them drop, considering the renewed focus on defensive holding and the flag happy nature of NFL refs to begin with.
All of this adds up, IMHO, to putting a more concentrated effort to devoting resources to your defensive front and making sure your pass rush generates quality pressure edge to interior.
Doesn't mean the Browns HAVE to spend a 2nd round pick on IDL. The guys of my eye the last few years have been...
Gregg Gaines 4th round
Poona Ford UDFA
Alim McNeil 3rd round
Bravvion Roy 7th round
But the key is to put in the work to find them, have the eye for talent and to not stop bringing in SOME type of talent every year. What the Browns have done the last 6 seasons is criminal. And the fact you had podcasts, beat-writers and journalists attempting to pimp Logan Glen as possibly making this roster is really a highlight of how far the standard as fallen.
Farm boy from Lexington too.
Noticing a trend watching more of the coaches film from other teams while I place my wagers this morning.... awful lot of calls starting or ending with 2 high shell shifts. I'm even seeing this evolution within the Browns organization itself with Joe Woods, who was a pretty single high predominant type of coach in Denver and early on in CLE. The shift from the back half of 2020 was out of pure necessity. Then you saw a mix last year. This season has been almost none existent save for here and there.
The cover 3 and cover 1 single highs that were all the rage for the better part of a decade are.... slowly vanishing? I suspect it's for several different reasons. But if that's the case, I'm curious how blitz rates this season look across the league. Wouldn't surprise me to see them drop, considering the renewed focus on defensive holding and the flag happy nature of NFL refs to begin with.
All of this adds up, IMHO, to putting a more concentrated effort to devoting resources to your defensive front and making sure your pass rush generates quality pressure edge to interior.
Doesn't mean the Browns HAVE to spend a 2nd round pick on IDL. The guys of my eye the last few years have been...
Gregg Gaines 4th round
Poona Ford UDFA
Alim McNeil 3rd round
Bravvion Roy 7th round
But the key is to put in the work to find them, have the eye for talent and to not stop bringing in SOME type of talent every year. What the Browns have done the last 6 seasons is criminal. And the fact you had podcasts, beat-writers and journalists attempting to pimp Logan Glen as possibly making this roster is really a highlight of how far the standard as fallen.
Round 3 is fine, Baltimore drafted a prospect like UConn's Travis Jones at #76 overall. We can get great value in round 2 or 3. It's quite possible I'm over-reacting about that 1st half vrs Pittsburgh; but the Browns would be foolish to blow this position off IMO.
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Farm boy from Lexington too.
Noticing a trend watching more of the coaches film from other teams while I place my wagers this morning.... awful lot of calls starting or ending with 2 high shell shifts. I'm even seeing this evolution within the Browns organization itself with Joe Woods, who was a pretty single high predominant type of coach in Denver and early on in CLE. The shift from the back half of 2020 was out of pure necessity. Then you saw a mix last year. This season has been almost none existent save for here and there.
The cover 3 and cover 1 single highs that were all the rage for the better part of a decade are.... slowly vanishing? I suspect it's for several different reasons. But if that's the case, I'm curious how blitz rates this season look across the league. Wouldn't surprise me to see them drop, considering the renewed focus on defensive holding and the flag happy nature of NFL refs to begin with.
All of this adds up, IMHO, to putting a more concentrated effort to devoting resources to your defensive front and making sure your pass rush generates quality pressure edge to interior.
Doesn't mean the Browns HAVE to spend a 2nd round pick on IDL. The guys of my eye the last few years have been...
Gregg Gaines 4th round
Poona Ford UDFA
Alim McNeil 3rd round
Bravvion Roy 7th round
But the key is to put in the work to find them, have the eye for talent and to not stop bringing in SOME type of talent every year. What the Browns have done the last 6 seasons is criminal. And the fact you had podcasts, beat-writers and journalists attempting to pimp Logan Glen as possibly making this roster is really a highlight of how far the standard as fallen.
Round 3 is fine, Baltimore drafted a prospect like UConn's Travis Jones at #76 overall. We can get great value in round 2 or 3. It's quite possible I'm over-reacting about that 1st half vrs Pittsburgh; but the Browns would be foolish to blow this position off IMO.
Round 3 is fine, Baltimore drafted a prospect like UConn's Travis Jones at #76 overall. We can get great value in round 2 or 3. It's quite possible I'm over-reacting about that 1st half vrs Pittsburgh; but the Browns would be foolish to blow this position off IMO.
Do you have any idea how Travis Jones is doing? I saw you mentioned him earlier, then I happened to come across a mock draft I came up in April, I had the Browns taking him in the 3rd (#78 overall)... I had the Browns taking Cade York in the 7th ?
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Round 3 is fine, Baltimore drafted a prospect like UConn's Travis Jones at #76 overall. We can get great value in round 2 or 3. It's quite possible I'm over-reacting about that 1st half vrs Pittsburgh; but the Browns would be foolish to blow this position off IMO.
Do you have any idea how Travis Jones is doing? I saw you mentioned him earlier, then I happened to come across a mock draft I came up in April, I had the Browns taking him in the 3rd (#78 overall)... I had the Browns taking Cade York in the 7th ?
Do you have any idea how Travis Jones is doing? I saw you mentioned him earlier, then I happened to come across a mock draft I came up in April, I had the Browns taking him in the 3rd (#78 overall)... I had the Browns taking Cade York in the 7th ?
Hasn't taken a snap yet.
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Do you have any idea how Travis Jones is doing? I saw you mentioned him earlier, then I happened to come across a mock draft I came up in April, I had the Browns taking him in the 3rd (#78 overall)... I had the Browns taking Cade York in the 7th ?
Hasn't taken a snap yet.
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With Winfrey apparently deemed unworthy to suit up, and seeing our D-line struggle against Pitsburg, do we see Suh becoming an option for a one year mercenary deal? Especially if we are in a position to reach the play-offs towards the end of the season.
Nothing wrong with your ambition at all KD! I live in the Tampa area and the word is Suh doesn't want to play football any more unless he either gets really overpaid or he's guaranteed to play on a team that goes very deep into the post season.
Nothing wrong with your ambition at all KD! I live in the Tampa area and the word is Suh doesn't want to play football any more unless he either gets really overpaid or he's guaranteed to play on a team that goes very deep into the post season.
Not sure whether to call it ambition, or fear. Without significant improvements to our D, I do not even see us getting out of the division at this stage. That will certainly have to come mostly from improved performance of existing players, but all Tia's preaching about shoring up the middle has me converted.
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Farm boy from Lexington too.
Noticing a trend watching more of the coaches film from other teams while I place my wagers this morning.... awful lot of calls starting or ending with 2 high shell shifts. I'm evening seeing this evolution within the Browns organization itself with Joe Woods, who was a pretty single high predominant type of coach in Denver and early on in CLE. The shift from the back half of 2020 was out of pure necessity. Then you saw a mix last year. This season has been almost none existent save for here and there.
The cover 3 and cover 1 single highs that were all the rage for the better part of a decade are.... slowly vanishing? I suspect it's for several different reasons. But if that's the case, I'm curious how blitz rates these season look across the league. Wouldn't surprise me to see them drop, considering the renewed focus on defensive holding and the flag happy nature of NFL refs to begin with.
All of this adds up, IMHO, to putting a more concentrated effort to devoting resources to your defensive front and making sure your pass rush generates quality pressure edge to interior.
Doesn't mean the Browns HAVE to spend a 2nd round pick on IDL. The guys of my eye the last few years have been...
Gregg Gaines 4th round
Poona Ford UDFA
Alim McNeil 3rd round
Bravvion Roy 7th round
But the key is to put in the work to find them, have the eye for talent and to not bring in SOME type of talent every year. What the Browns have done the last 6 seasons is criminal. And the fact you had podcasts, beat-writers and journalists attempting to pimp Logan Glen as possibly making this roster is really a highlight of how far the standard as fallen.
With Winfrey apparently deemed unworthy to suit up, and seeing our D-line struggle against Pitsburg, do we see Suh becoming an option for a one year mercenary deal? Especially if we are in a position to reach the play-offs towards the end of the season.
With Winfrey apparently deemed unworthy to suit up, and seeing our D-line struggle against Pitsburg, do we see Suh becoming an option for a one year mercenary deal? Especially if we are in a position to reach the play-offs towards the end of the season.
At this point I'm willing to try anything.
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The gameplan really hasn't changed. Only the formations, personnel and a bit of window dressing.
- Establish the run through personnel or formation constraint
- Establish the horizontal passing to open up the run or compliment.
- Get Jacoby in rhythm early
- K.I.S.S. Identify who Jacoby is comfortable with, set them up with looks for choice routes and make the short passing game an extension of the running game
- Calculated deep shots if necessary
@unsympathetic mentioned an article about the Browns coming out in empty. I didn't get a chance to get around reading it, but I did mention some of the 'why' behind things live and on TBB discord. Despite the field being a bit damp and the wind at play, the offense seemed to be more than willing to come out in 11 personnel and take the short throws the PIT defense offered them. Sure beats the hell out of stubbornly beating them into submission when you can take the latter option. Let's run through a few of those example here, because the offense started hitting on them from the 3rd and 4th drives. No small coincidence, both drives ended in CLE TD's.
The "gift".
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Walking a safety out over a slot is risky business when you're in man/man free. I don't fault the PIT coaches for being a bit stubborn and saying that they're here to shutdown the Browns redzone running game. Stef and Co. LOVES their pin and pull here. But at the same time, given Jacoby's efficiency the week before and the willingness the Browns showed to throw the ball on either 1st or 2nd down the previous drives, this was a ballsy call for them. Because by formation strength, we've removed PIT's best DB (Minkah) from being an immediate factor against this hitch/slant. Playing man means you'll likely attack away from his leverage.
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Just because you have a DB aligned inside shade doesn't mean that coverage can't be beat inside as well. Remember, alignment goes hand in hand with depth and drive. If a WR can square his route off while you're in a bit of a back peddle and you aren't great at planting then driving downhill, that WR is going to win his route against your leverage either way.
The edge rusher from the boundary, who didn't drop into a weak hook or some stupid curl/flat now means you're facing a 5th man rush and you're facing man free.
Winning this rep means 2 big things.
- WR has to re-win his route inside
- QB has to snap his head and deliver with timing.
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Edmunds having to give just enough ground to AC.
Jacoby understands what he has, and his eyes are where they need to be.
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Coop takes his quick 3rd, plants and break underneath inside. At this point Edmunds' weight is too high and he hasn't hit his back foot to plant and drive. That step gives you enough time to win.
Jacoby see's is all the way through and his throwing motion has started.
Minkah is still square but drifting inside the hashes.
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It was a great throw. Enough away from Edmunds, but low and away enough where AC could get his eyes back to Minkah and get skinny between the two in order to minimize contact.
You don't want to make a habit of forcing throws, not that this was "forced" in that sense. But you have to be conscious of the amount of danger you're leading your receivers into. This was just enough on that line where you have the read you want, the throw you want and delivering it without getting someone lit up.
Pay close attention to the bottom of this frame and think back to what I said above about Minkah's leverage. Because the '7' we get from the TE here would likely be the route Jacoby would check into if he believes he has man coverage again, but should Fitz favor that boundary hash and taking away Cooper. Something I would suspect the Steelers will try to do should a similar redzone situation arise in game 2. Because Spillaine is beat on that route and a good throw makes it another TD. At which case, it's a dealers choice based on the single high safety's leverage/alignment.
Reminded me of another throw against a safety who also had inside leverage from back in the day. It's when I truly began to understand the subtle post-snap route changes that WR's and QB's had to process and be on the same page with in real time.
My QB, Troy Smith, and my dude Anthony Gonzalez - vs Iowa.
Skip to the 3:45 mark for the same design. Although it's against cover 0, the same principle of re-winning the positive break against the DB's alignment stays the same.
God damn, do I miss that team, those guys and that era. More to follow soon.
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