2022 Draft Prospects and off-season addition breakdowns.
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Reports are that Perrion Winfrey will see reps against Atlanta, with Taven Bryan out. Let's see what this rook can do.
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Reports are that Perrion Winfrey will see reps against Atlanta, with Taven Bryan out. Let's see what this rook can do.
Reports are that Perrion Winfrey will see reps against Atlanta, with Taven Bryan out. Let's see what this rook can do.
Really have no choice. Isn't another viable 3tech on roster. If we're short Myles and possibly Clowney, I wonder how much of a stretch it would be to run some of those under fronts as our base. Similar to how the Seahawks first started under Coach Carroll. Would allow us to get a bigger body on the field and work to control the ATL running game on the interior. Because christ knows Mariota can pull that ball on a read and do enough damage on the edge.
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Reports are that Perrion Winfrey will see reps against Atlanta, with Taven Bryan out. Let's see what this rook can do.
Reports are that Perrion Winfrey will see reps against Atlanta, with Taven Bryan out. Let's see what this rook can do.
I hope this isn't just the summer school veteran in me getting pumped up about seeing him for the 1st time. I keep hearing how talented this defense is; and we're about 1 injury away from recruiting our next mystery meat market/IDL prospects at some McDonalds' drive-thrus. I will also recommend the Golden Corral Buffet because I've seen some impressive fast twitchies on bigger frames beating people to the desserts area.
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I always loved those homework assignments at school where they were harder than the test itself. Which is sort of how the Browns passing game played out against PIT. For a number of reasons, but the biggest was the coaching staff working to make life as easy on Jacoby as possible. To date, he's done a great job knocking out what they've given him, and the defensive looks the Steelers tragically ( for their sake) kept showing. But it's these simple things that are keeping the offense on schedule weren't so simple last year. Which is why we praise the efficiency of this group now a year removed.
That won't always be the case, especially with the Pats right around the corner. But for now it's nice to get the intended results from where the coaches draw it up.
Another thing Stef and Co used frequently were mirror concepts. Like it sounds - similar, if not exact same route combinations, but to the opposite sides of the field. Accomplishes a couple big things.
Helps a QB when he identifies man vs spot zone. Also makes things easier by putting his read first on the safety he's looking to leverage, and tends to make it that simple. Of course that read is based pre-snap and you hope the defense gives what they show, otherwise things become a bit more.... complicated. Anywho.
As a DB, anytime you see a big body like that, such as Njoku to the top, I immediately assume slant. Especially with a QB who is so-so and the weather the way it was. I'm going to use the boundary as my double team.
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I really have to say, aside from the play of Pocic the past few games, I also have to give it up to Minkah Fitzpatrick. Sucks to say, because he's a Steelers, but watching him in this game and how the Browns coaches dialed up concepts around throwing off his leverage... really reminds you that he's one of the top DB's in the NFL. IMHO, top 5, possibly top 3 safety.
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JB does a great job not looking this off too fast and letting Hunt release at the weakside LB. That is by design. He's not reading leverage of the hook defender and breaking between them. The coaches wanted this ball to go to Njoku first and foremost. Coop was a distant 2nd.
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JB does a good job holding Fitz at his initial leverage, which favored Coopers side, then snapping his head and throwing to throw.
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The ball placement was everything. High, but not high enough for David to have to be a complete acrobat. Inside of the CB who has to recover across his face. But keep enough and far enough inside to be upfield and wide of Fitz so there's no way he could get a finger on the ball or create enough contact to force it out.
Mirrored concepts, just another method the Browns coaches are using to help supplement the lack of offensive explosion/ability. Makes JB's life a lot easier, the personnel alignments favor the routes and vice versa. The offensive coaching staff had a good bead on what the Steelers defensive coaches were doing in their limited redzone coverages - primarily Cover 1 and cover 3
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This game should give us plenty of DL reps to review on our rookies including Winfrey who is active against the Falcons.
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One other point maybe just maybe the AFCN is not as good as we collectively thought that they were coming into the season.
Maybe Cincinnati was a bit "lucky" making it into and far into the playoffs ?
Pittsburgh has QB issues among other things.
Baltimore may falter a bit at QB among other issues.
And our beloved BROWNS are strong but might have their own QB issues over a 17 game season, Myles G. might be impared at least in the short run with other IDL and DL questions. Not a standout DB group.......but they can run the ball !
"That's why they play the game !" Or so I've heard, who wins or loses this week, I like Cleveland....baby !
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Let's go over some early results from today. On that first ATL drive, I saw something awfully familiar that I was worried about - Alex Wright.
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Z gets the seal on the edge vs Wright for a couple reasons.
- He's high out of his stance
- Unbalanced
- Working upfield from his first step too fast
- Lack of awareness on the reduced split and what might come his way. This one generally speaks to football IQ which, you need A LOT of snaps to start to develop. But there's also a problem with that, because this is a pretty fundamental toss and pull call.
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Coaches call it gap stealing, some also call it gap "splitting" since you give the RB an additional read point and cut option.
Either way, this type of play gives the RG and LG an easy release to the 2nd level. Your LB's don't stand a chance when they have 300lb bodies on them that fast. The ATL line here does a good job picking off the lead pursuit in Taki and Phillips. And because cut blocking is now illegal, getting the a big body to the edge is like stealing candy. No DB's can go low on the big guys now. I'll check back at the end of the year, but I'd be willing to bet running designs based on the pulling game to the perimeter shoot up quite a bit by the end of this season. Not that getting blockers on smaller CB's wasn't an idea to begin with, but now you've given almost no way for those CB's to take on lineman without a cut.
Either way, in this following frame, Wright came out so high and fast in his stance, Drake London really didn't take much to seal him inside and continue washing him down the line. He's so terribly out of balance, he never had a chance to recover. And this is where height works against you if you don't play with consistently low pad level.
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Final shot with the open lanes to the edge. Only real way to shut this down is get ahead of it and turn it back inside to pursuit. But then you need your 1tech, Togiai, to be able to crash onto the call carrier. The center crosses Tommy's face, which you can't allow when you're playing that 1tech, and turns his shoulders back inside to prevent him from flowing down the line and effecting the play.
This first play is, in a nutshell, the state of the Browns Defensive Line. Especially without Myles or Clowney. It's a bottom 5 group at best. You have a nose who isn't a starter, a 3tech in Jordan Elliot who is quality depth and little else. A rookie edge in Alex Wright who isn't ready for this sort of role, and might never be ready. Then you have Rochelle (spell check) who is a nice story and fights hard, but would be a camp casualty on a lot of teams.
This is why I'm passionate about creating work that holds up over time. Because I can go back to reference that work and those notes, and see how things string out beyond the vacuum of that play. So if you're wondering why I said "looked familiar"....
Please refer to the 28th-ish post in this thread linked below from my breakdown of Alex Wright. A similar design on the seal and pull to his side that he lost BAD on vs Georgia. For reference, that's a Georgia team who has bodies that will play in the NFL. Specifically why I went looking for that game.
ATL likely saw this, especially since Alex a rookie. I have no doubt they have assistants who go back this far to dig on tape on how to attack rookie players beyond the few games of NFL work he's had.
Offenses will continue to attack Alex Wrights side until he punishes them for doing so. And this defense has yet another crack in the fortress wall to account for.
(28th post, 3rd page)
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Reports are that Perrion Winfrey will see reps against Atlanta, with Taven Bryan out. Let's see what this rook can do.
Really have no choice. Isn't another viable 3tech on roster. If we're short Myles and possibly Clowney, I wonder how much of a stretch it would be to run some of those under fronts as our base. Similar to how the Seahawks first started under Coach Carroll. Would allow us to get a bigger body on the field and work to control the ATL running game on the interior. Because christ knows Mariota can pull that ball on a read and do enough damage on the edge.
Really have no choice. Isn't another viable 3tech on roster. If we're short Myles and possibly Clowney, I wonder how much of a stretch it would be to run some of those under fronts as our base. Similar to how the Seahawks first started under Coach Carroll. Would allow us to get a bigger body on the field and work to control the ATL running game on the interior. Because christ knows Mariota can pull that ball on a read and do enough damage on the edge.
Welp, you can scratch that one. When Woods' switched up and called some under looks to combat the weakside zone ATL kept beating us with, we got smoked with misdirection and runs to strength.
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@tiamat63 re: your comment about Perrion Winfrey in the game thread. Did notice a nice TFL against the run where their line had all sorts of trouble containing him. Somewhat surprised he played only 16 snaps (29%), as he seems to bring to the table exactly what we need in the interior.
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@tiamat63 re: your comment about Perrion Winfrey in the game thread. Did notice a nice TFL against the run where their line had all sorts of trouble containing him. Somewhat surprised he played only 16 snaps (29%), as he seems to bring to the table exactly what we need in the interior.
@tiamat63 re: your comment about Perrion Winfrey in the game thread. Did notice a nice TFL against the run where their line had all sorts of trouble containing him. Somewhat surprised he played only 16 snaps (29%), as he seems to bring to the table exactly what we need in the interior.
Given him being in the doghouse, and especially about some of the comments questioning his dedication to being a professional - I'm not surprised. If he wants to play that bad, he'll have to get a taste of the success in limited volume then earn the snap increase. Good news is, that idea seemed to pay off with him. I would suspect he'll get more snaps against the Chargers.
He was about the only consistent force in creating Havoc plays against the ATL zone based runs. I planned on charting his snaps and play first thing when the all-22 drops.
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Said this back on page 3 after we drafted him...
" But I now see exactly the glimpses this front office did. I get it, I get this selection. Does Perrion solve our IDL issues? No. We still have another spot and some depth next to him that needs answering. But I'm more than willing to say that this is Berry's first value pick attempt at delivering a long term solution along the IDL instead of the recent trend of bringing in 1 year stop-gaps. I'm excited about this pick, you should be excited about this pick. And I can't wait to see what the early results and word in camp is, I'd bet the phrase "real deal" gets tossed around a few times. "
Got to see those glimpses this past weekend.
Going to try working in a different color font for a little while.
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The Jet/sweep/ghost, whatever various coaches call it, it changes your run fits. As a result, when you get this slide from the linebackers, a lot of teams run to the opposite side. Why not? You're forcing a defense to win gaps, be disciplined in pursuit without over or under pursuing. It's a bitch to defend.
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You'll see, a lot like what I posted before with Alex Wright, the Falcons using their tight ends in the running game getting cracks/seals on the strong side edge, then pulling the RT and TE behind it. This worked previously on this same drive for ATL, they just window dressed it a bit more with the motions in the running game pre-snap.
The slight tilt technique that Perrion is playing usually invites a natural double team to the weakside. To the strong side, away from his natural leverage the position creates, the double then peel the 2nd level should be a bit easier for the Oline... in theory.
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Like I said, in theory. Because of his ability to balance himself from athleticism (not that his pad level is great) Perrion is able to get himself leveraged correctly to the 'zone away' and, most importantly, NOT let the RG disengage cleanly or allow the center to control him let alone cross his face.
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This is where the recovery speed from our linebackers, namely JOK, really comes into play shutting this sort of play down, provided he's kept clean. It's an ecosystem that compliments and strengthens each other. The RG is still engaged trying to prevent PW from flowing laterally, so he isn't able to get ahead and move to the scraping LB's.
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Final result, with JOK flying in like a god damn missile getting the TFL.
It's great seeing our 2nd year LB in this type of 'see ball, get ball' in the running game. Because that's exactly why we drafted him. But he can't always be this effective unless the hogs in front of them are doing the work. JOK gets the TFL credit, but the foundation to the success of this defensive stop firmly rests on Perrion's shoulders. Without him? Who knows.
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@korsou-dawg The TFL you mentioned.
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Ok so, he's a rookie. Still needs to keep his mind about him, but credit to Phillips for getting his rookie DL into the gap matching the correct call on the front.
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This looks a lot better.
Can't help but notice that Perrion is again playing a slight tilt that favors shutting down the call to his side. Which is funny, given what happens on this play.
For anybody reading and wondering, a tilt is old school. But the idea was to help more naturally create/invite double teams from the Oline.
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Worked out really well, because this is a weakside zone. The biggest rule for a shade in an Over call facing weak inside zone like this - Pop quiz, anyone? Correct, you absolutely CAN NOT let the center cross your face and get control of you.
Perrion does that and then some. Starts it out with some fantastic pad level too.
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What this initial snap and contact looks like from wide.
Perrion's wingspan is a real weapon when he uses it.
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The LG didn't get a clean release anyway from Winfrey's contact, but he gets him ripped down from the shoulder pad. Yeah, the dude is farmer's kid type of strong. Like, bailing hay and throwing the bails 15 feet up in the loft kind of strong.
Notice he still hasn't let the center 'win' his assignment yet though. That's key.
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This is where I talk about the need to work on the consistent fundamentals, because this type of unbalanced play will eventually fuck you. But I also can't argue with results either. So far, Perrion has controlled his gap and eliminated the blocker for another. This run was shut down right here without him having to do anything else. But....
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Pdub wasn't good with just that. He manages to find his balance, bring his shoulders back around and square and keep flowing laterally. Oh, yeah, the center STILL hasn't managed to control his outside shoulder and turn him back inside. Got his shoulders AND eyes around to find the ball carrier.
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Wingspan
Extension
Strength
STILL outside shoulder free of the center and getting contact on the RB.
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Summed up in the yellow in the frame.
I went nuts when I saw this play happen live. Because I honestly believe PW is capable of this type of high level play with more consistency in good time. Time to keep with professional conditioning, time with coaches, time in the film room and reps to make the fundamentals 2nd nature.
He was our most effective, honestly our only real weapon, against the ATL zone schemes from our Dline. His ability to stay ahead of zone steps/blocks and disrupt gaps is a rare gift for this current roster. Perrion's ability to take his first step burst and convert it to power, plus his wingspan is something nobody else on this IDL has, nor will ever have.
He is, without much question in my mind, our best IDL. And I really don't need to see much more beyond this opening drive to have enough evidence to support that belief. But since I love evidence....
Jordan Elliot handling the shade/1tech
- Center crossing his face and "turning him" back inside. Creates a lovely B gap void for a RB
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Tommy Togiai
Subtle thing I noticed in this rep.
- Tommy isn't playing a "true" 1shade 1i. He's actually playing more of a 2i here. This little "cheat" on spacing is to help make sure the center can't reach block him and cross his face. Welp....
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Didn't really fucking matter....
Outside of Myles and Clowney, one of those two whom likely isn't going to be on roster next year, the only other defensive lineman across the entire front who I would bet makes it onto other active rosters is Perrion Winfrey. The Browns currently field, IMHO, one of, if not THEE Worst IDL group in the entire NFL (aside from PW)
- Jordan has lost any burst and was never a natural 1tech/shade/nose to begin with.
- TT is a tweener who is incredibly limited in how you can effectively deploy him.
I sound like a broken record, but I can't give you guys any more proof of how bad they are. Oh, wait... just thought of something.
Togiai PFF current grade. https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/tommy-togiai/82501
Jordan Elliott's current grade. https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/jordan-elliott/56734
Now I tend to take their services with a large grain of salt on the side, but their evaluators and myself are clearly seeing some similar play right now and arriving at a like minded conclusion. I don't need their help in my assessments, but the parallels seem to be rather consensus.
Myles and Perrion are the duo who are the future of this defensive front. Everyone else is pretty much expendable after this year.
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@korsou-dawg The TFL you mentioned.
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Ok so, he's a rookie. Still needs to keep his mind about him, but credit to Phillips for getting his rookie DL into the gap matching the correct call on the front.
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This looks a lot better.
Can't help but notice that Perrion is again playing a slight tilt that favors shutting down the call to his side. Which is funny, given what happens on this play.
For anybody reading and wondering, a tilt is old school. But the idea was to help more naturally create/invite double teams from the Oline.
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Worked out really well, because this is a weakside zone. The biggest rule for a shade in an Over call facing weak inside zone like this - Pop quiz, anyone? Correct, you absolutely CAN NOT let the center cross your face and get control of you.
Perrion does that and then some. Starts it out with some fantastic pad level too.
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What this initial snap and contact looks like from wide.
Perrion's wingspan is a real weapon when he uses it.
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The LG didn't get a clean release anyway from Winfrey's contact, but he gets him ripped down from the shoulder pad. Yeah, the dude is farmer's kid type of strong. Like, bailing hay and throwing the bails 15 feet up in the loft kind of strong.
Notice he still hasn't let the center 'win' his assignment yet though. That's key.
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This is where I talk about the need to work on the consistent fundamentals, because this type of unbalanced play will eventually fuck you. But I also can't argue with results either. So far, Perrion has controlled his gap and eliminated the blocker for another. This run was shut down right here without him having to do anything else. But....
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Pdub wasn't good with just that. He manages to find his balance, bring his shoulders back around and square and keep flowing laterally. Oh, yeah, the center STILL hasn't managed to control his outside shoulder and turn him back inside. Got his shoulders AND eyes around to find the ball carrier.
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Wingspan
Extension
Strength
STILL outside shoulder free of the center and getting contact on the RB.
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Summed up in the yellow in the frame.
I went nuts when I saw this play happen live. Because I honestly believe PW is capable of this type of high level play with more consistency in good time. Time to keep with professional conditioning, time with coaches, time in the film room and reps to make the fundamentals 2nd nature.
He was our most effective, honestly our only real weapon, against the ATL zone schemes from our Dline. His ability to stay ahead of zone steps/blocks and disrupt gaps is a rare gift for this current roster. Perrion's ability to take his first step burst and convert it to power, plus his wingspan is something nobody else on this IDL has, nor will ever have.
He is, without much question in my mind, our best IDL. And I really don't need to see much more beyond this opening drive to have enough evidence to support that belief. But since I love evidence....
Jordan Elliot handling the shade/1tech
- Center crossing his face and "turning him" back inside. Creates a lovely B gap void for a RB
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Tommy Togiai
Subtle thing I noticed in this rep.
- Tommy isn't playing a "true" 1shade 1i. He's actually playing more of a 2i here. This little "cheat" on spacing is to help make sure the center can't reach block him and cross his face. Welp....
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Didn't really fucking matter....
Outside of Myles and Clowney, one of those two whom likely isn't going to be on roster next year, the only other defensive lineman across the entire front who I would bet makes it onto other active rosters is Perrion Winfrey. The Browns currently field, IMHO, one of, if not THEE Worst IDL group in the entire NFL (aside from PW)
- Jordan has lost any burst and was never a natural 1tech/shade/nose to begin with.
- TT is a tweener who is incredibly limited in how you can effectively deploy him.
I sound like a broken record, but I can't give you guys any more proof of how bad they are. Oh, wait... just thought of something.
Togiai PFF current grade. https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/tommy-togiai/82501
Jordan Elliott's current grade. https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/jordan-elliott/56734
Now I tend to take their services with a large grain of salt on the side, but their evaluators and myself are clearly seeing some similar play right now and arriving at a like minded conclusion. I don't need their help in my assessments, but the parallels seem to be rather consensus.
Myles and Perrion are the duo who are the future of this defensive front. Everyone else is pretty much expendable after this year.
Myles and Perrion are the duo who are the future of this defensive front. Everyone else is pretty much expendable after this year.
For the love of everything holy, I hope the Browns go balls to the wall this coming offseason on DLine, because Myles will be going into his seventh NFL season.
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Myles and Perrion are the duo who are the future of this defensive front. Everyone else is pretty much expendable after this year.
For the love of everything holy, I hope the Browns go balls to the wall this coming offseason on DLine, because Myles will be going into his seventh NFL season.
For the love of everything holy, I hope the Browns go balls to the wall this coming offseason on DLine, because Myles will be going into his seventh NFL season.
Pretty crazy how times just fly's, huh?
I'd love to pick Joe Woods' brain, because if his idea is to run more of these flex type fronts - an interior that's plays with more of a 2i and a 3tech pair, "inviting" and creating the natural double teams, then I understand the philosophy and don't necessarily disagree with it either. But I need players who can disrupt their gaps and force those double teams to hold and not fly right to the 2nd level to our undersized linebackers. 3 of our current 4 aren't cut out for that role. Would also love getting some bigger bodies apart from JOK, because we've still yet to face a team that loves gap/down power, but we will when we face New England. And right now it's looking like it'll end up playing out a lot like last time for this defense.
edit: Given the devalued nature of IDL, LB, RB and TE, unless there is an obviously multi-talented player at IDL in the 2nd round, I doubt the Browns go that direction. But there was a kid who absolutely jumped off the screen last year when I was watching Neil Ferrell, so I'm keeping him in mind.
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Pretty damning stretch of film.
On the Falcons 8th drive, their only TD of the 2nd half....
- They did not attempt a single pass
- 10 plays, 10 runs
- Of those 10 runs.
* 1 to the called offenses strength
* 9 (FUCKING NINE) to the weakside.
In order.
1st and 10 - Weakside crack/seal toss
2nd and 4 - single back duo. We called it 22 blast. Started weak.
1st and 10 - ATL motions to a Pistol L, resetting the strength of the formation. Runs to, what was, previously the weakside B gap bubble.
1st and 10 - weakside zone (b gap bubble, noticing a trend yet?) away from the YY look strength
2nd and 1 - single back duo. Again, looks like how we called it - 22 blast strength.
- 5 plays in - only 2 different type of running calls here.
1st and 10 - weakside zone. Guess which side has the natural B gap bubble?
2nd and 3 - weakside zone. Only little caveat here on this one. ATL ran to the weakside, but the Browns were essentially in an under front, as opposed to our more common over front calls (3 tech called to the weak side or away from the TE, depending on the coach) I mentioned this and wondered how long it would take for the Falcons to exploit this particular design... They ran same side that Perrion Winfrey was as the 3tech, and he was playing that tilt I posted in the above frames. As a result, when he faces a "zone away" call, his alignment presnap makes it difficult as shit to recover.
1st and 10 - ATL runs that same pistol L motion and resets the strength. So their upback is now, what once was, the weakside of the formation. Browns actually have a counter dialed up. They've walked JOK down over the weakside edge, basically as a 7tech. And they're closed to that side, with Isiah Thomas playing a 6i tech over the TE. Didn't really matter, pretty sure Togiai either thought this was a slant? or tried to backdoor the center on the zone step. Neither worked... Falcons with positive yardage.
2nd and 4 - simple weakside zone from the single back pistol
1st and goal - weak outside stretch for the TD.
4 different plays, half of the time from the same formation, all of them run calls, 90% to the weakside B gap bubble. I just.... WOW.
I've never seen some shit like that on a professional field. It's the opposing coaching staff laughing in your face telling you that they know you have no way of stopping their running game either by design or by a lack of talent (the latter in this case mostly) but it's fucking embarrassing. The coaches I'm sure feel like shit, but Andrew Berry absolutely cannot be coming out of this unscathed. This organization lacks trench play in a way I haven't seen in a long while.
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Pretty damning stretch of film.
On the Falcons 8th drive, their only TD of the 2nd half....
- They did not attempt a single pass
- 10 plays, 10 runs
- Of those 10 runs.
* 1 to the called offenses strength
* 9 (FUCKING NINE) to the weakside.
In order.
1st and 10 - Weakside crack/seal toss
2nd and 4 - single back duo. We called it 22 blast. Started weak.
1st and 10 - ATL motions to a Pistol L, resetting the strength of the formation. Runs to, what was, previously the weakside B gap bubble.
1st and 10 - weakside zone (b gap bubble, noticing a trend yet?) away from the YY look strength
2nd and 1 - single back duo. Again, looks like how we called it - 22 blast strength.
- 5 plays in - only 2 different type of running calls here.
1st and 10 - weakside zone. Guess which side has the natural B gap bubble?
2nd and 3 - weakside zone. Only little caveat here on this one. ATL ran to the weakside, but the Browns were essentially in an under front, as opposed to our more common over front calls (3 tech called to the weak side or away from the TE, depending on the coach) I mentioned this and wondered how long it would take for the Falcons to exploit this particular design... They ran same side that Perrion Winfrey was as the 3tech, and he was playing that tilt I posted in the above frames. As a result, when he faces a "zone away" call, his alignment presnap makes it difficult as shit to recover.
1st and 10 - ATL runs that same pistol L motion and resets the strength. So their upback is now, what once was, the weakside of the formation. Browns actually have a counter dialed up. They've walked JOK down over the weakside edge, basically as a 7tech. And they're closed to that side, with Isiah Thomas playing a 6i tech over the TE. Didn't really matter, pretty sure Togiai either thought this was a slant? or tried to backdoor the center on the zone step. Neither worked... Falcons with positive yardage.
2nd and 4 - simple weakside zone from the single back pistol
1st and goal - weak outside stretch for the TD.
4 different plays, half of the time from the same formation, all of them run calls, 90% to the weakside B gap bubble. I just.... WOW.
I've never seen some shit like that on a professional field. It's the opposing coaching staff laughing in your face telling you that they know you have no way of stopping their running game either by design or by a lack of talent (the latter in this case mostly) but it's fucking embarrassing. The coaches I'm sure feel like shit, but Andrew Berry absolutely cannot be coming out of this unscathed. This organization lacks trench play in a way I haven't seen in a long while.
it's fucking embarrassing. The coaches I'm sure feel like shit, but Andrew Berry absolutely cannot be coming out of this unscathed.
Absolutely ! ^^
AB's additions of Tavan Bryan & Wino, don't come close to what Malik McDowell gave us with keeping his clothes on
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/defensive-tackle/all/
When teams continue run? This is a problem.. Emerson..10 snaps?
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/lists/4-big-takeaways-from-snap-counts-in-browns-vs-falcons/
In this game, however, Takitaki played 40-of-52 defensive snaps as the Browns found themselves in three linebacker looks with frequency. This pushed Emerson’s snap count all the way down below 20% of defensive snaps, playing just 10 all game long.
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it's fucking embarrassing. The coaches I'm sure feel like shit, but Andrew Berry absolutely cannot be coming out of this unscathed.
Absolutely ! ^^
AB's additions of Tavan Bryan & Wino, don't come close to what Malik McDowell gave us with keeping his clothes on
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/defensive-tackle/all/
When teams continue run? This is a problem.. Emerson..10 snaps?
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/lists/4-big-takeaways-from-snap-counts-in-browns-vs-falcons/
In this game, however, Takitaki played 40-of-52 defensive snaps as the Browns found themselves in three linebacker looks with frequency. This pushed Emerson’s snap count all the way down below 20% of defensive snaps, playing just 10 all game long.
Absolutely ! ^^
AB's additions of Tavan Bryan & Wino, don't come close to what Malik McDowell gave us with keeping his clothes on
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/defensive-tackle/all/
When teams continue run? This is a problem.. Emerson..10 snaps?
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/lists/4-big-takeaways-from-snap-counts-in-browns-vs-falcons/
In this game, however, Takitaki played 40-of-52 defensive snaps as the Browns found themselves in three linebacker looks with frequency. This pushed Emerson’s snap count all the way down below 20% of defensive snaps, playing just 10 all game long.
Taki playing more snaps is a consequence of the ATL offense showing more single back and two back looks under center on early downs. If you're not playing 3 LBs, you're going to be in your big nickel with Harrison as the 7th man, while Newsie and Ward are at corner. That isn't to take away from Emerson, who doesn't appear shy in being physical in the run game. I think it's just more of a design and philosophical preference for Joe Woods. Traditionally, forcing your nickel to get involved in run fits is a win for offenses, since the nickel player is a smaller DB. Emerson might get more looks there though in those early situations if he can hold up against the run though.
I posted in the game thread that my observations about defenses running more 2 high is up across the league. And it's up by quite a bit this season...
As a result, you have to sort of "force" defenses into more single high looks. I believe this will speak to the numbers of teams running more, especially under center, on early downs in order to force those + numbers towards the box. Only way you can avoid that as a defense is to either be stubborn, or have a kick ass defensive front that can handle limiting the run in lighter box count situations. This in turn circles back around to what I hinted at a few weeks ago - running more match quarters, cover 2, cover 6, might mean that the 'end all, be all' priority of DBs sort of gives a little ground to organizations renewing a bit of focus on drafting talented DL and LBs.
It's just another phase of offensive and defensive life cycle play in an ever changing copy-cat league.
But it also speaks to college designs sort of "falling up". Quarters was all the rage with Pat Narduzzi. It helped shut down these teams that loved to spread for power then work the calculated vertical shots. In turn, college offenses adapted to attack quarters either by targeting the safeties or by playing more "patient" in route selection and having to execute methodical drives. Sounds awfully familiar when you see talking heads refer to offenses like the Chiefs facing more 2 high designs to slow down their vertical passing game.
It's all connected, 'Round and round we go.
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Pretty damning stretch of film.
On the Falcons 8th drive, their only TD of the 2nd half....
- They did not attempt a single pass
- 10 plays, 10 runs
- Of those 10 runs.
* 1 to the called offenses strength
* 9 (FUCKING NINE) to the weakside.
In order.
1st and 10 - Weakside crack/seal toss
2nd and 4 - single back duo. We called it 22 blast. Started weak.
1st and 10 - ATL motions to a Pistol L, resetting the strength of the formation. Runs to, what was, previously the weakside B gap bubble.
1st and 10 - weakside zone (b gap bubble, noticing a trend yet?) away from the YY look strength
2nd and 1 - single back duo. Again, looks like how we called it - 22 blast strength.
- 5 plays in - only 2 different type of running calls here.
1st and 10 - weakside zone. Guess which side has the natural B gap bubble?
2nd and 3 - weakside zone. Only little caveat here on this one. ATL ran to the weakside, but the Browns were essentially in an under front, as opposed to our more common over front calls (3 tech called to the weak side or away from the TE, depending on the coach) I mentioned this and wondered how long it would take for the Falcons to exploit this particular design... They ran same side that Perrion Winfrey was as the 3tech, and he was playing that tilt I posted in the above frames. As a result, when he faces a "zone away" call, his alignment presnap makes it difficult as shit to recover.
1st and 10 - ATL runs that same pistol L motion and resets the strength. So their upback is now, what once was, the weakside of the formation. Browns actually have a counter dialed up. They've walked JOK down over the weakside edge, basically as a 7tech. And they're closed to that side, with Isiah Thomas playing a 6i tech over the TE. Didn't really matter, pretty sure Togiai either thought this was a slant? or tried to backdoor the center on the zone step. Neither worked... Falcons with positive yardage.
2nd and 4 - simple weakside zone from the single back pistol
1st and goal - weak outside stretch for the TD.
4 different plays, half of the time from the same formation, all of them run calls, 90% to the weakside B gap bubble. I just.... WOW.
I've never seen some shit like that on a professional field. It's the opposing coaching staff laughing in your face telling you that they know you have no way of stopping their running game either by design or by a lack of talent (the latter in this case mostly) but it's fucking embarrassing. The coaches I'm sure feel like shit, but Andrew Berry absolutely cannot be coming out of this unscathed. This organization lacks trench play in a way I haven't seen in a long while.
Pretty damning stretch of film.
On the Falcons 8th drive, their only TD of the 2nd half....
- They did not attempt a single pass
- 10 plays, 10 runs
- Of those 10 runs.
* 1 to the called offenses strength
* 9 (FUCKING NINE) to the weakside. In order.
I've never seen some shit like that on a professional field. It's the opposing coaching staff laughing in your face telling you that they know you have no way of stopping their running game either by design or by a lack of talent (the latter in this case mostly) but it's fucking embarrassing. The coaches I'm sure feel like shit, but Andrew Berry absolutely cannot be coming out of this unscathed. This organization lacks trench play in a way I haven't seen in a long while.
Well done Tia! Even Pittsburgh had their way running the ball on the Browns in the 1st half. They had a halftime lead of 14-13 and it felt like they changed their game plan in the 2nd half. That said, I drank a lot of beer that night so I might be sloppy on the recall after halftime. I think their game plan was to set up play action passing with the run; but it was tough for them to turn down all the gimmes in the running game until the 2nd half. Lucky for us, Trubisky just wasn't very good at all throwing the ball. Even luckier for us, they didn't go back to the running game.
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Oh, gee, another late game coverage bust for a big gain or TD.
Looks like cover 3, smells like cover 3. Given that it's 2nd and 10 and ATL came out showing a strong fake, max pro and wanted to draw single high coverage.
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Things the next frame affirms.
- Johnny J is not a natural center fielder. I've said we have a redundancy of talent at safety, it's both a good and bad thing. Because nobody on this roster I trust playing the single high with any regularity, but nobody other than Harrison looks so incredibly out of place doing it. Sort of a 'meh' type of personnel situation.
- Communication from our DBs to the corners might have cleaned up a bit, but there are still times where things can get away from them. Unfortunately for the Browns, they've all come at damn near the absolute worst times. The ATL game is just another example of that this season. What's worse, is that the coverage busts are two main categories.
* Failed understanding of the call (vs the formation)
* Incorrect match in MOD or zone replacement
That's it. Nothing crazy. It's not like we're facing elite or complex passing offenses here. Although the Jets do have a bit of life in them, the rest of the teams we've faced have good skill players, but either lack the OL or QB to make it work consistently.
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Oh and, Jacob Phillips is the worst LB in coverage that I've seen wear a Browns uniform in the last 10 years.
- Newsome passes off the deep over to JJ3 like Newsome is playing cover 3. In this case, the MFS steps down to take the deep over. Newsome then carries hard upfield and in between the hashes in his zone replacement. It's how you defend anything resembling a yankee concept from this coverage.
Now this is really starting to concern me because I've seen the Browns get smoked by these type of route combination before.
4th page, 17th post, bottom 1/3rd of the page. The big shot downfield for the TD the Eagles hit on us in the pre-season was a similar design off the same principles. Only our MFS played his replacement correctly on that one. I'm sure the call sign is still the exact same. So how is the backup S playing this correctly by Johnny J isn't? He's the only one playing this like it's cover 1. Granted, we didn't get the correct zone replace from one of our corners in that rep though. Something I would expect from a special teamer or camp cut. Not a guy who's wearing the green dot in the secondary.
I've got 3 under, 3 deep. Aside from Phillips being drug out of his zone landmark by Mariota's movement, by 3 under at least understood where they were supposed to be.
My 3 deep DB's on the other hand, I've got two CB's playing cover 3 and their MFS playing Man 1.
How in the flippity fuck does this happen is beyond me at this point? I get things looked a bit tighter last week and this week, which was good. That was until the lights are the brightest, then shit went to hell real quick. I guess on the bright side, it isn't occurring half dozen times a game, so there is something to be said for that. But this secondary is going to have to play damn near perfect with the way the front 7 is both beaten up and depleted.
I have questions for Coach Woods. Unfortunately I feel like I already know the answers and they're not one's I wanted to hear.
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This is what happens when you keep trading picks for players.. QB is one thing, "everyone" is problems. Sure, they won a SB so if that's the goal, great, but in the very next year they're not going to make the playoffs
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