¿ QUESTION for all you loyal BROWNS fans. ? Your honest opinions & feelings on this game.
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● ¿ QUESTION for all you great, loyal ♥︎ Cleveland BROWNS fans. ? Your honest opinions and feelings on this game.
▪︎ Here are mine, mjp a log time loyal fan.
On the Cleveland BROWNS I still could barf ! I was a sick and missed the first half game but saw the second half.
I've tried to be neutral on the HC and staff -but- after this blown game NO MORE. REPLACE STEF !
........The 2022 season is the Cleveland Browns' 70th in the National Football League (NFL), their 74th overall and their third under the head coach/general manager tandem of Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry. The Browns look to improve upon their 8–9 record from the previous season........
SO how's that working out for you BROWNS FANS ? mjp.
● ¿ QUESTION for all you great, loyal ♥︎ Cleveland BROWNS fans. ? Your honest opinions and feelings on this game.
▪︎ Here are mine, mjp a log time loyal fan.
On the Cleveland BROWNS I still could barf ! I was a sick and missed the first half game but saw the second half.
I've tried to be neutral on the HC and staff -but- after this blown game NO MORE. REPLACE STEF !
........The 2022 season is the Cleveland Browns' 70th in the National Football League (NFL), their 74th overall and their third under the head coach/general manager tandem of Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry. The Browns look to improve upon their 8–9 record from the previous season........
SO how's that working out for you BROWNS FANS ? mjp.
I've been around as long as you mjp... My take on the situation.
Well, the Chargers tried mightily at the end to give us the game, and we refused the gift.
1) Brissett is an OK qb until the last 5 minutes of a game, then he takes stupid pills. Three games in a row with dumb interceptions. Could almost have scored, instead of forcing a pass into coverage. Accuracy goes to hell too. If he had managed to connect on a couple of those passes, York wouldn't have been put in the position again of having to try and kick a 54 yard game winning field goal.
2) Where's your analytics Kev where Brissett is 95% successful on QB sneaks, so let's let Chubb get stuffed for a loss? Or you could have just punted.
3) Firing Joe Woods isn't going to solve the immediate problem that opposing teams now know that they can run on the Browns at will. Letting the #32 ranked rushing offense rack up 238 yards on the ground? Barf !!! Yeah, I get why some guys are wondering why Woods hasn't already been fired. It could well be the DL talent is lacking, And Aaron Donald isn't available for a trade.
4) The maddening thing is we could be 5-0 with a couple of favorable breaks, but we're not. Seems like the Jets aren't the door mats we thought they were after they beat the Dolphins.
After all the frustration, we're still only one game out of first with upcoming games against the Ravens and Bengals. Parity rules, and it's too damn early in the season to start the fire everybody chant. The short attention spans are forgetting Stefanski was the NFL coach of the year not that long ago. So now he's a bum?
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● ¿ QUESTION for all you great, loyal ♥︎ Cleveland BROWNS fans. ? Your honest opinions and feelings on this game.
▪︎ Here are mine, mjp a log time loyal fan.
On the Cleveland BROWNS I still could barf ! I was a sick and missed the first half game but saw the second half.
I've tried to be neutral on the HC and staff -but- after this blown game NO MORE. REPLACE STEF !
........The 2022 season is the Cleveland Browns' 70th in the National Football League (NFL), their 74th overall and their third under the head coach/general manager tandem of Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry. The Browns look to improve upon their 8–9 record from the previous season........
SO how's that working out for you BROWNS FANS ? mjp.
I've been around as long as you mjp... My take on the situation.
Well, the Chargers tried mightily at the end to give us the game, and we refused the gift.
1) Brissett is an OK qb until the last 5 minutes of a game, then he takes stupid pills. Three games in a row with dumb interceptions. Could almost have scored, instead of forcing a pass into coverage. Accuracy goes to hell too. If he had managed to connect on a couple of those passes, York wouldn't have been put in the position again of having to try and kick a 54 yard game winning field goal.
2) Where's your analytics Kev where Brissett is 95% successful on QB sneaks, so let's let Chubb get stuffed for a loss? Or you could have just punted.
3) Firing Joe Woods isn't going to solve the immediate problem that opposing teams now know that they can run on the Browns at will. Letting the #32 ranked rushing offense rack up 238 yards on the ground? Barf !!! Yeah, I get why some guys are wondering why Woods hasn't already been fired. It could well be the DL talent is lacking, And Aaron Donald isn't available for a trade.
4) The maddening thing is we could be 5-0 with a couple of favorable breaks, but we're not. Seems like the Jets aren't the door mats we thought they were after they beat the Dolphins.
After all the frustration, we're still only one game out of first with upcoming games against the Ravens and Bengals. Parity rules, and it's too damn early in the season to start the fire everybody chant. The short attention spans are forgetting Stefanski was the NFL coach of the year not that long ago. So now he's a bum?
I've been around as long as you mjp... My take on the situation.
Well, the Chargers tried mightily at the end to give us the game, and we refused the gift.
1) Brissett is an OK qb until the last 5 minutes of a game, then he takes stupid pills. Three games in a row with dumb interceptions. Could almost have scored, instead of forcing a pass into coverage. Accuracy goes to hell too. If he had managed to connect on a couple of those passes, York wouldn't have been put in the position again of having to try and kick a 54 yard game winning field goal.
2) Where's your analytics Kev where Brissett is 95% successful on QB sneaks, so let's let Chubb get stuffed for a loss? Or you could have just punted.
3) Firing Joe Woods isn't going to solve the immediate problem that opposing teams now know that they can run on the Browns at will. Letting the #32 ranked rushing offense rack up 238 yards on the ground? Barf !!! Yeah, I get why some guys are wondering why Woods hasn't already been fired. It could well be the DL talent is lacking, And Aaron Donald isn't available for a trade.
4) The maddening thing is we could be 5-0 with a couple of favorable breaks, but we're not. Seems like the Jets aren't the door mats we thought they were after they beat the Dolphins.
After all the frustration, we're still only one game out of first with upcoming games against the Ravens and Bengals. Parity rules, and it's too damn early in the season to start the fire everybody chant. The short attention spans are forgetting Stefanski was the NFL coach of the year not that long ago. So now he's a bum?
No he's just a shit coach...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
So many of you have the memory of a goldfish
If you're calling for Stefanski's head you're a moron
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I've been around as long as you mjp... My take on the situation.
Well, the Chargers tried mightily at the end to give us the game, and we refused the gift.
1) Brissett is an OK qb until the last 5 minutes of a game, then he takes stupid pills. Three games in a row with dumb interceptions. Could almost have scored, instead of forcing a pass into coverage. Accuracy goes to hell too. If he had managed to connect on a couple of those passes, York wouldn't have been put in the position again of having to try and kick a 54 yard game winning field goal.
2) Where's your analytics Kev where Brissett is 95% successful on QB sneaks, so let's let Chubb get stuffed for a loss? Or you could have just punted.
3) Firing Joe Woods isn't going to solve the immediate problem that opposing teams now know that they can run on the Browns at will. Letting the #32 ranked rushing offense rack up 238 yards on the ground? Barf !!! Yeah, I get why some guys are wondering why Woods hasn't already been fired. It could well be the DL talent is lacking, And Aaron Donald isn't available for a trade.
4) The maddening thing is we could be 5-0 with a couple of favorable breaks, but we're not. Seems like the Jets aren't the door mats we thought they were after they beat the Dolphins.
After all the frustration, we're still only one game out of first with upcoming games against the Ravens and Bengals. Parity rules, and it's too damn early in the season to start the fire everybody chant. The short attention spans are forgetting Stefanski was the NFL coach of the year not that long ago. So now he's a bum?
No he's just a shit coach...
No he's just a shit coach...
I'm glad you're not the Browns GM. I'll agree with Woody, the "Fire the Coach Now" song has always been the #1 hit in Cleveland for decades.
LOL OK- I'll play. Fire Kev now and replace him with who? Dumping a coach in the middle of the season is a sure fired recipe for a disaster.
Until the Browns fix their atrocious run D, it wouldn't matter if Shula or Noll were coaching this team.
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No he's just a shit coach...
I'm glad you're not the Browns GM. I'll agree with Woody, the "Fire the Coach Now" song has always been the #1 hit in Cleveland for decades.
LOL OK- I'll play. Fire Kev now and replace him with who? Dumping a coach in the middle of the season is a sure fired recipe for a disaster.
Until the Browns fix their atrocious run D, it wouldn't matter if Shula or Noll were coaching this team.
I'm glad you're not the Browns GM. I'll agree with Woody, the "Fire the Coach Now" song has always been the #1 hit in Cleveland for decades.
LOL OK- I'll play. Fire Kev now and replace him with who? Dumping a coach in the middle of the season is a sure fired recipe for a disaster.
Until the Browns fix their atrocious run D, it wouldn't matter if Shula or Noll were coaching this team.
We have given Joe Woods 3 years... Each year ending with ... Same result... It's time for a change...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
No he's just a shit coach...
I'm glad you're not the Browns GM. I'll agree with Woody, the "Fire the Coach Now" song has always been the #1 hit in Cleveland for decades.
LOL OK- I'll play. Fire Kev now and replace him with who? Dumping a coach in the middle of the season is a sure fired recipe for a disaster.
Until the Browns fix their atrocious run D, it wouldn't matter if Shula or Noll were coaching this team.
LOL OK- I'll play. Fire Kev now and replace him with who? Dumping a coach in the middle of the season is a sure fired recipe for a disaster.
Jimmah can call Matt Rhule. ?
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I'm glad you're not the Browns GM. I'll agree with Woody, the "Fire the Coach Now" song has always been the #1 hit in Cleveland for decades.
LOL OK- I'll play. Fire Kev now and replace him with who? Dumping a coach in the middle of the season is a sure fired recipe for a disaster.
Until the Browns fix their atrocious run D, it wouldn't matter if Shula or Noll were coaching this team.
We have given Joe Woods 3 years... Each year ending with ... Same result... It's time for a change...
We have given Joe Woods 3 years... Each year ending with ... Same result... It's time for a change...
It would be easy enough to fire Joe Woods, but that doesn't answer my question... Replace him with who? One of the position coaches? If you think that's going to magically fix the run defense- not happening. Can you even name one of the assistant coaches outside of Stump Mitchell?
If you want to posit Woods is the Baker Mayfield of coaching, that he needs all pros at every position to succeed, then I may buy it. It doesn't work that way in the NFL. Speaking of Baker, he's played well enough to get his coach fired... I did get to see his pick six, and now he's hurt too. ?
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We have given Joe Woods 3 years... Each year ending with ... Same result... It's time for a change...
It would be easy enough to fire Joe Woods, but that doesn't answer my question... Replace him with who? One of the position coaches? If you think that's going to magically fix the run defense- not happening. Can you even name one of the assistant coaches outside of Stump Mitchell?
If you want to posit Woods is the Baker Mayfield of coaching, that he needs all pros at every position to succeed, then I may buy it. It doesn't work that way in the NFL. Speaking of Baker, he's played well enough to get his coach fired... I did get to see his pick six, and now he's hurt too. ?
It would be easy enough to fire Joe Woods, but that doesn't answer my question... Replace him with who? One of the position coaches? If you think that's going to magically fix the run defense- not happening. Can you even name one of the assistant coaches outside of Stump Mitchell?
If you want to posit Woods is the Baker Mayfield of coaching, that he needs all pros at every position to succeed, then I may buy it. It doesn't work that way in the NFL. Speaking of Baker, he's played well enough to get his coach fired... I did get to see his pick six, and now he's hurt too. ?
DeMeco ryans. I kow he's SF's DC right now, but make him an offer he can't refuse.
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It would be easy enough to fire Joe Woods, but that doesn't answer my question... Replace him with who? One of the position coaches? If you think that's going to magically fix the run defense- not happening. Can you even name one of the assistant coaches outside of Stump Mitchell?
If you want to posit Woods is the Baker Mayfield of coaching, that he needs all pros at every position to succeed, then I may buy it. It doesn't work that way in the NFL. Speaking of Baker, he's played well enough to get his coach fired... I did get to see his pick six, and now he's hurt too. ?
DeMeco ryans. I kow he's SF's DC right now, but make him an offer he can't refuse.
DeMeco ryans. I kow he's SF's DC right now, but make him an offer he can't refuse.
Except IIRC you can't. In season, that's considered tampering, and not allowed. Trading for players is one thing, other team's coaches under contract is an entirely different critter. No way the 49ers would let that happen anyway.
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● ¿ QUESTION for all you great, loyal ♥︎ Cleveland BROWNS fans. ? Your honest opinions and feelings on this game.
▪︎ Here are mine, mjp a log time loyal fan.
On the Cleveland BROWNS I still could barf ! I was a sick and missed the first half game but saw the second half.
I've tried to be neutral on the HC and staff -but- after this blown game NO MORE. REPLACE STEF !
........The 2022 season is the Cleveland Browns' 70th in the National Football League (NFL), their 74th overall and their third under the head coach/general manager tandem of Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry. The Browns look to improve upon their 8–9 record from the previous season........
SO how's that working out for you BROWNS FANS ? mjp.
I've been around as long as you mjp... My take on the situation.
Well, the Chargers tried mightily at the end to give us the game, and we refused the gift.
1) Brissett is an OK qb until the last 5 minutes of a game, then he takes stupid pills. Three games in a row with dumb interceptions. Could almost have scored, instead of forcing a pass into coverage. Accuracy goes to hell too. If he had managed to connect on a couple of those passes, York wouldn't have been put in the position again of having to try and kick a 54 yard game winning field goal.
2) Where's your analytics Kev where Brissett is 95% successful on QB sneaks, so let's let Chubb get stuffed for a loss? Or you could have just punted.
3) Firing Joe Woods isn't going to solve the immediate problem that opposing teams now know that they can run on the Browns at will. Letting the #32 ranked rushing offense rack up 238 yards on the ground? Barf !!! Yeah, I get why some guys are wondering why Woods hasn't already been fired. It could well be the DL talent is lacking, And Aaron Donald isn't available for a trade.
4) The maddening thing is we could be 5-0 with a couple of favorable breaks, but we're not. Seems like the Jets aren't the door mats we thought they were after they beat the Dolphins.
After all the frustration, we're still only one game out of first with upcoming games against the Ravens and Bengals. Parity rules, and it's too damn early in the season to start the fire everybody chant. The short attention spans are forgetting Stefanski was the NFL coach of the year not that long ago. So now he's a bum?
I've been around as long as you mjp... My take on the situation.
Well, the Chargers tried mightily at the end to give us the game, and we refused the gift.
1) Brissett is an OK qb until the last 5 minutes of a game, then he takes stupid pills. Three games in a row with dumb interceptions. Could almost have scored, instead of forcing a pass into coverage. Accuracy goes to hell too. If he had managed to connect on a couple of those passes, York wouldn't have been put in the position again of having to try and kick a 54 yard game winning field goal.
2) Where's your analytics Kev where Brissett is 95% successful on QB sneaks, so let's let Chubb get stuffed for a loss? Or you could have just punted.
3) Firing Joe Woods isn't going to solve the immediate problem that opposing teams now know that they can run on the Browns at will. Letting the #32 ranked rushing offense rack up 238 yards on the ground? Barf !!! Yeah, I get why some guys are wondering why Woods hasn't already been fired. It could well be the DL talent is lacking, And Aaron Donald isn't available for a trade.
4) The maddening thing is we could be 5-0 with a couple of favorable breaks, but we're not. Seems like the Jets aren't the door mats we thought they were after they beat the Dolphins.
After all the frustration, we're still only one game out of first with upcoming games against the Ravens and Bengals. Parity rules, and it's too damn early in the season to start the fire everybody chant. The short attention spans are forgetting Stefanski was the NFL coach of the year not that long ago. So now he's a bum?
Larry- I have been around for awhile with the Cleveland BROWNS I was born in 1950 same as the BROWNS year 1....and winning the NFL Championship.
I got interested in the BROWNS when I was around 8 in 1958. And 14 when they won it all in 1964. So I've been an INDIANS and BROWNS fan for over 70 years.
BUT that doesn't help the 1999-2022 BROWNS that can't get their owner, FO, coaching acts together, they have improved some what on there recent drafts. I've always said good (or bad) management and decisions start at the top - well we're screwed there for the near future there.
You don't want to have a revolving door policy on the HC, staff, OC, DC and another very important position starting quarterback. ~And~ we're set for a long time there let's hope it works out good....starting in about a month. With this team, loaded at RB, OL, maybe DL and others will come through this year.
Let's see, the math - From a 2-3 start (no use crying too much about the 3 gone). Currently 2W / 5 games = 0.40 win % × 12 games left = 4.8 maybe 5 wins + 2 = a 7-10 season, NO GOOD. To make the playoffs might need 11 wins. SO they will need 9 wins or a .75 win % to hit that 11 win target.
Do you think that this team actually can win 3/4 of their remaining games left. Or will they just fall a few wins short ?
Better question will they finish over .500 ? And.....
GO BROWNS !
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
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It's the same old shit every week. They find new ways to lose every single week. Poor execution, lack of discipline, poor coaching, poor clock management, poor decision making, can't finish games.
This kind of shit SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IN WEEK 5. The teams that contend for the Super Bowl every year don't make these kinds of mistakes this late in the season. All this stuff is shit you iron out in pre-season. No matter who plays for this team, no matter who coaches them, no matter who owns them , it the same shit every week.
And there is another thing i cannot figure out, the Indians/Guardians and Cavaliers have more titles and more playoff appearances than the Browns could ever dream of and yet Cleveland is considered a "football town". Get the fuck out of here. Honestly, I could care less if they leave again. This team is never going to see a Super Bowl in my lifetime as long as the same type of people are always in charge. Something needs to change or you're going to get the same outcome. The Browns are the very definition of insanity. Doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.
It's the same old shit every week. They find new ways to lose every single week. Poor execution, lack of discipline, poor coaching, poor clock management, poor decision making, can't finish games.
This kind of shit SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IN WEEK 5. The teams that contend for the Super Bowl every year don't make these kinds of mistakes this late in the season. All this stuff is shit you iron out in pre-season. No matter who plays for this team, no matter who coaches them, no matter who owns them , it the same shit every week.
And there is another thing i cannot figure out, the Indians/Guardians and Cavaliers have more titles and more playoff appearances than the Browns could ever dream of and yet Cleveland is considered a "football town". Get the fuck out of here. Honestly, I could care less if they leave again. This team is never going to see a Super Bowl in my lifetime as long as the same type of people are always in charge. Something needs to change or you're going to get the same outcome. The Browns are the very definition of insanity. Doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome.
In the Super Bowl era yes. The 1st 10 years of existence in Pro Football, the Browns were in 10 consecutive Championship Games and won 7 of these (the last 6 of those were in the NFL where they won 3 of the 6). They also won the NFL Title in 1964. I know people don't like hearing about championships before color TV; but 1st impressions can be powerful enough to perpetuate why the Cavs or the Tribe/Guardians will never measure up to those days I just spoke of. My glory years following this team were in the 80s with my favorite 2 QBs Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar.
As for this team? We can spend forever on "Fire the Head Coach" stuff; so we can hurry up and watch the SAME guy up at the top using the same hiring criteria to make his next mistake. Rinse and repeat. I honestly can't remember so I'll ask - was Stefanski hired before Andrew Berry? If so, geee - what could go wrong? When every ship sinks here under Jimmy's tenure - the Head Coach is only a symptom and scapegoat of the much bigger problem at the top. I wish I was wrong about this; but inventory seems to show otherwise...
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● ¿ QUESTION for all you great, loyal ♥︎ Cleveland BROWNS fans. ? Your honest opinions and feelings on this game.
▪︎ Here are mine, mjp a log time loyal fan.
On the Cleveland BROWNS I still could barf ! I was a sick and missed the first half game but saw the second half.
I've tried to be neutral on the HC and staff -but- after this blown game NO MORE. REPLACE STEF !
........The 2022 season is the Cleveland Browns' 70th in the National Football League (NFL), their 74th overall and their third under the head coach/general manager tandem of Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry. The Browns look to improve upon their 8–9 record from the previous season........
SO how's that working out for you BROWNS FANS ? mjp.
● ¿ QUESTION for all you great, loyal ♥︎ Cleveland BROWNS fans. ? Your honest opinions and feelings on this game.
▪︎ Here are mine, mjp a log time loyal fan.
On the Cleveland BROWNS I still could barf ! I was a sick and missed the first half game but saw the second half.
I've tried to be neutral on the HC and staff -but- after this blown game NO MORE. REPLACE STEF !
........The 2022 season is the Cleveland Browns' 70th in the National Football League (NFL), their 74th overall and their third under the head coach/general manager tandem of Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry. The Browns look to improve upon their 8–9 record from the previous season........
SO how's that working out for you BROWNS FANS ? mjp.
I'm with you 100% on the frustration part. I just want the right problem solved. Try to ask yourself why are we right back in the same old crappy feeling we have every 2-3 years or so? I talked about this more in my first reply.
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● ¿ QUESTION for all you great, loyal ♥︎ Cleveland BROWNS fans. ? Your honest opinions and feelings on this game.
▪︎ Here are mine, mjp a log time loyal fan.
On the Cleveland BROWNS I still could barf ! I was a sick and missed the first half game but saw the second half.
I've tried to be neutral on the HC and staff -but- after this blown game NO MORE. REPLACE STEF !
........The 2022 season is the Cleveland Browns' 70th in the National Football League (NFL), their 74th overall and their third under the head coach/general manager tandem of Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Berry. The Browns look to improve upon their 8–9 record from the previous season........
SO how's that working out for you BROWNS FANS ? mjp.
SO how's that working out for you BROWNS FANS ? mjp.
For the first time in literally forever I'm intentionally not watching the game Sunday. I've got better things to do. I'm not saying I'm done with the team, but I don't need this. There's obviously something wrong with them. It's never one thing, it's a collection of idiots at key times shatting the muffin. I am tired.
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All you need to know is.. the current group of DT's would barely [barely!] start at Ohio State. And they wouldn't be stars.
Woods might get fired, but I don't know what he could do consistently with the barely-D1-college level of DI this FO decided to roster. The consistent result is every team becomes the 1986 49ers with Roger Craig and Tom Rathman each getting 100 yards.
All you need to know is.. the current group of DT's would barely [barely!] start at Ohio State. And they wouldn't be stars.
Woods might get fired, but I don't know what he could do consistently with the barely-D1-college level of DI this FO decided to roster. The consistent result is every team becomes the 1986 49ers with Roger Craig and Tom Rathman each getting 100 yards.
Can't believe he called it good. I mean, it was close for a bit, but every single person in the stands, watching at home, or listening to a radio knew he'd never make it. After watching the previous 3 plays, it never had a chance.
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I've been around as long as you mjp... My take on the situation.
Well, the Chargers tried mightily at the end to give us the game, and we refused the gift.
1) Brissett is an OK qb until the last 5 minutes of a game, then he takes stupid pills. Three games in a row with dumb interceptions. Could almost have scored, instead of forcing a pass into coverage. Accuracy goes to hell too. If he had managed to connect on a couple of those passes, York wouldn't have been put in the position again of having to try and kick a 54 yard game winning field goal.
2) Where's your analytics Kev where Brissett is 95% successful on QB sneaks, so let's let Chubb get stuffed for a loss? Or you could have just punted.
3) Firing Joe Woods isn't going to solve the immediate problem that opposing teams now know that they can run on the Browns at will. Letting the #32 ranked rushing offense rack up 238 yards on the ground? Barf !!! Yeah, I get why some guys are wondering why Woods hasn't already been fired. It could well be the DL talent is lacking, And Aaron Donald isn't available for a trade.
4) The maddening thing is we could be 5-0 with a couple of favorable breaks, but we're not. Seems like the Jets aren't the door mats we thought they were after they beat the Dolphins.
After all the frustration, we're still only one game out of first with upcoming games against the Ravens and Bengals. Parity rules, and it's too damn early in the season to start the fire everybody chant. The short attention spans are forgetting Stefanski was the NFL coach of the year not that long ago. So now he's a bum?
Larry- I have been around for awhile with the Cleveland BROWNS I was born in 1950 same as the BROWNS year 1....and winning the NFL Championship.
I got interested in the BROWNS when I was around 8 in 1958. And 14 when they won it all in 1964. So I've been an INDIANS and BROWNS fan for over 70 years.
BUT that doesn't help the 1999-2022 BROWNS that can't get their owner, FO, coaching acts together, they have improved some what on there recent drafts. I've always said good (or bad) management and decisions start at the top - well we're screwed there for the near future there.
You don't want to have a revolving door policy on the HC, staff, OC, DC and another very important position starting quarterback. ~And~ we're set for a long time there let's hope it works out good....starting in about a month. With this team, loaded at RB, OL, maybe DL and others will come through this year.
Let's see, the math - From a 2-3 start (no use crying too much about the 3 gone). Currently 2W / 5 games = 0.40 win % × 12 games left = 4.8 maybe 5 wins + 2 = a 7-10 season, NO GOOD. To make the playoffs might need 11 wins. SO they will need 9 wins or a .75 win % to hit that 11 win target.
Do you think that this team actually can win 3/4 of their remaining games left. Or will they just fall a few wins short ?
Better question will they finish over .500 ? And.....
GO BROWNS !
Larry- I have been around for awhile with the Cleveland BROWNS I was born in 1950 same as the BROWNS year 1....and winning the NFL Championship.
I got interested in the BROWNS when I was around 8 in 1958. And 14 when they won it all in 1964. So I've been an INDIANS and BROWNS fan for over 70 years.
BUT that doesn't help the 1999-2022 BROWNS that can't get their owner, FO, coaching acts together, they have improved some what on there recent drafts. I've always said good (or bad) management and decisions start at the top - well we're screwed there for the near future there.
You don't want to have a revolving door policy on the HC, staff, OC, DC and another very important position starting quarterback. ~And~ we're set for a long time there let's hope it works out good....starting in about a month. With this team, loaded at RB, OL, maybe DL and others will come through this year.
Let's see, the math - From a 2-3 start (no use crying too much about the 3 gone). Currently 2W / 5 games = 0.40 win % × 12 games left = 4.8 maybe 5 wins + 2 = a 7-10 season, NO GOOD. To make the playoffs might need 11 wins. SO they will need 9 wins or a .75 win % to hit that 11 win target.
Do you think that this team actually can win 3/4 of their remaining games left. Or will they just fall a few wins short ?
Better question will they finish over .500 ? And.....
GO BROWNS !
Mj, you probably know we're almost exactly the same age. I've said one of my greatest regrets in life was not using some of my paper route money, hopping on the bus and buying a ticket to the 1964 Championship game. Who knew at the time it was going to be another 50+ years and counting?
I'm not as pessimistic as you are about the Browns playoff chances. YET. First, so far this season everyone is beating everyone else. KC almost lost to the Raiders, the Jets beat the Dolphins, and the Packers lost to the G-men. 10 games may well be enough to get you into the playoffs. I will admit a loss to the Patriots this coming Sunday, short of a miracle will pretty much cook our playoff chances. But would it matter? We're not beating the Bills with the current sorry state of our run defense.
Second, except for bad luck, the Browns have dominated the stats in every game, except the one that matters- the score.
I'm crossing my fingers the Browns can go 3-3 until Massage Messiah shows up in week 12 against the very beatable Texans. Wins against the Ratbirds and Bungles would be huge (and almost mandatory) in our 6 game pre Watson stretch. Just win the division!! The Bengals already lost to the Steelers and Baltimore. That puts us at 5-6 for the stretch run. Stay tuned.
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SO how's that working out for you BROWNS FANS ? mjp.
For the first time in literally forever I'm intentionally not watching the game Sunday. I've got better things to do. I'm not saying I'm done with the team, but I don't need this. There's obviously something wrong with them. It's never one thing, it's a collection of idiots at key times shatting the muffin. I am tired.
For the first time in literally forever I'm intentionally not watching the game Sunday. I've got better things to do. I'm not saying I'm done with the team, but I don't need this. There's obviously something wrong with them. It's never one thing, it's a collection of idiots at key times shatting the muffin. I am tired.
That is what ails me, too. Brissett played a fine game for a long while, still is inaccurate on sideline throws and long throws, and under pressure - egad. He's throw a terrible INT late in the game for three games in a row???
I saw Brissett throw on a play, and it got batted down. I thought "So, he's about 3-4 inches taller, this still happens???
and having a pervert eventually take over at qb - nothing to look forward to. Herbert threw for more yards to Mike Williams (Kellen Winslow sp? still can't play) than Brissett threw to both Cooper and Njoku.
I do watch the games on record. I don't want to miss watching one of the GREAT RB's in the NFL - Nick Chubb. He's fascinating to watch.
Browns' secondary....STILL with the miscommunications? enough already. Really stupid penalties? Newsome's targeting/spearing Wilson (wr) in the back? no call? ??? (still want an explanation of that one)
The INT vs the Chargers in crunch time was worse than stupid. York will end up being one of the greatest k'ers for the Browns....
We can be fascinated by watching Nick Chubb dominate - on record. The Browns should have kept Baker for one last year, added a qb, and a DL, and DL in the first round of the next three drafts, and they would....
oh, but those draft picks are gone in the sleazy dumbass trade. Baker with a "Mike Williams" at wr would have sent the Browns to the superbowl so much faster. (except for the lack of defense on big running game teams).
Fastforwarding through tons of commercials and halftime is fun.
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For the first time in literally forever I'm intentionally not watching the game Sunday. I've got better things to do. I'm not saying I'm done with the team, but I don't need this. There's obviously something wrong with them. It's never one thing, it's a collection of idiots at key times shatting the muffin. I am tired.
That is what ails me, too. Brissett played a fine game for a long while, still is inaccurate on sideline throws and long throws, and under pressure - egad. He's throw a terrible INT late in the game for three games in a row???
I saw Brissett throw on a play, and it got batted down. I thought "So, he's about 3-4 inches taller, this still happens???
and having a pervert eventually take over at qb - nothing to look forward to. Herbert threw for more yards to Mike Williams (Kellen Winslow sp? still can't play) than Brissett threw to both Cooper and Njoku.
I do watch the games on record. I don't want to miss watching one of the GREAT RB's in the NFL - Nick Chubb. He's fascinating to watch.
Browns' secondary....STILL with the miscommunications? enough already. Really stupid penalties? Newsome's targeting/spearing Wilson (wr) in the back? no call? ??? (still want an explanation of that one)
The INT vs the Chargers in crunch time was worse than stupid. York will end up being one of the greatest k'ers for the Browns....
We can be fascinated by watching Nick Chubb dominate - on record. The Browns should have kept Baker for one last year, added a qb, and a DL, and DL in the first round of the next three drafts, and they would....
oh, but those draft picks are gone in the sleazy dumbass trade. Baker with a "Mike Williams" at wr would have sent the Browns to the superbowl so much faster. (except for the lack of defense on big running game teams).
Fastforwarding through tons of commercials and halftime is fun.
That is what ails me, too. Brissett played a fine game for a long while, still is inaccurate on sideline throws and long throws, and under pressure - egad. He's throw a terrible INT late in the game for three games in a row???
We can be fascinated by watching Nick Chubb dominate - on record. The Browns should have kept Baker for one last year, added a qb, and a DL, and DL in the first round of the next three drafts, and they would.... hoorta edit.. suck even worse. 2024 is a long way off, we've tried the three year plan before.
oh, but those draft picks are gone in the sleazy dumbass trade. Baker with a "Mike Williams" at wr would have sent the Browns to the superbowl so much faster.
Jacoby isn't great- but he's currently playing better than Mayfield. Actually, every other starting quarterback in the NFL is too... Including the benched Mitch Trubisky
Take a qb this year? Like Kenny Pickett, or roll the dice in lower rounds? I consider we used our first round pick this year on Watson- who's a proven commodity. FYI this was considered a pretty weak qb draft. Anyway Baker would have been butthurt and pouted that we drafted his replacement. So, go ahead and defend Baker to the death. Maybe you're not keeping track anymore, but a bunch of us are.... Baker has played so crappy in Carolina he just got his coach fired. Oh, it's a team game? Shades of OBJ in Cleveland- his wrs are already bitching that he's clueless. Panthers fans booing- they know crap play when they see it.
Want some numbers? His 71 qbr is the lowest of any starting quarterback in the NFL- yeah, even worse than Justin Fields- who sucks big time. His 55% completion rate is worse than Marcus Mariota and Joe Flacco's. Now he's out indefinitely with a high ankle sprain, (he needs get well cards) and the third string qb had a better completion percentage than mighty Baker when he came in to replace him. Don't be shocked if Carolina will go with Sucky Sam Darnold when he's ready to play, and Baker doesn't see the field the rest of the year.
Too bad you can't come to grips that the Browns are married to Message Messiah for the foreseeable future. Why don't you just cash in your fan card like Mrs. Thome did if you think he's such a big sleezeball? I happen to agree with Ghoolie, anyone who would root for the Browns to lose because they're butthurt about Baker aren't much of a Browns fan.
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That is what ails me, too. Brissett played a fine game for a long while, still is inaccurate on sideline throws and long throws, and under pressure - egad. He's throw a terrible INT late in the game for three games in a row???
We can be fascinated by watching Nick Chubb dominate - on record. The Browns should have kept Baker for one last year, added a qb, and a DL, and DL in the first round of the next three drafts, and they would.... hoorta edit.. suck even worse. 2024 is a long way off, we've tried the three year plan before.
oh, but those draft picks are gone in the sleazy dumbass trade. Baker with a "Mike Williams" at wr would have sent the Browns to the superbowl so much faster.
Jacoby isn't great- but he's currently playing better than Mayfield. Actually, every other starting quarterback in the NFL is too... Including the benched Mitch Trubisky
Take a qb this year? Like Kenny Pickett, or roll the dice in lower rounds? I consider we used our first round pick this year on Watson- who's a proven commodity. FYI this was considered a pretty weak qb draft. Anyway Baker would have been butthurt and pouted that we drafted his replacement. So, go ahead and defend Baker to the death. Maybe you're not keeping track anymore, but a bunch of us are.... Baker has played so crappy in Carolina he just got his coach fired. Oh, it's a team game? Shades of OBJ in Cleveland- his wrs are already bitching that he's clueless. Panthers fans booing- they know crap play when they see it.
Want some numbers? His 71 qbr is the lowest of any starting quarterback in the NFL- yeah, even worse than Justin Fields- who sucks big time. His 55% completion rate is worse than Marcus Mariota and Joe Flacco's. Now he's out indefinitely with a high ankle sprain, (he needs get well cards) and the third string qb had a better completion percentage than mighty Baker when he came in to replace him. Don't be shocked if Carolina will go with Sucky Sam Darnold when he's ready to play, and Baker doesn't see the field the rest of the year.
Too bad you can't come to grips that the Browns are married to Message Messiah for the foreseeable future. Why don't you just cash in your fan card like Mrs. Thome did if you think he's such a big sleezeball? I happen to agree with Ghoolie, anyone who would root for the Browns to lose because they're butthurt about Baker aren't much of a Browns fan.
Take a qb this year?
Be careful with your crap - you look foolish. I clearly said, play Baker one more year, and then draft a qb in next year's great? qb draft. That is what I meant. Not "qb/dl/dl" in that order - not what I meant.
I said many times about that last draft - I was amazed by Jordan Davis. That is exactly who I wanted. He was drafted by the Eagles, the pick coming from the Texans via Browns. Guess who would look AWESOME at DL on the Browns defense right now? Especially NOW? Jordan Davis. That is exactly who I would have drafted.
How long has it been since the Browns went to the playoffs, beating pittspuke? THAT was Baker.
Pouting about him playing poorly injured, with a stupid sling to hold his left shoulder in place.....and his poor numbers -
is also stupid. And Caroline has serious oline troubles from last year, well documented. Go frickin read it.
and, the Panthers were 5-11 under two different coaches in 2019. 5-11 in 2020 under Rhule. And 5-12 in 2021 also under Rhule. That is all PRE BAKER.
1 13 13 Philadelphia Eagles (from Texans via Browns) Jordan Davis, DT, Georgia
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