Deshaun Watson returns: Some of QB's accusers actually planning to attend Browns-Texans game in Houston
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I think Brissett did a good job during 11 weeks where mostly the defense wasn't playing good, costing us some wins (we could have started 5-0 easily).
We went 4-7, and it is hard to believe that we are going to reach the playoffs this year, so I think it is the perfect spot to start the guy the OF put all the chips in.
He shows all the rust in the world and some more, but defense and special teams pull out their best performance of the season,and we get a W.
I just hope Watson takes this as a wake-up call and gets to his level, and Browns fans don't kill each other in the meantime. We're not winning the Superbowl this year, and we have been to bigger shitshows, so let's see how this turns out.
They better take a long look at his mechanics and release. The low throws could be from releasing the ball a split second late each time. Some could also be from indecision or a lack of confidence at this point - but it's not something impossible to correct at all.
We'll see,...
I wouldn't worry. People are gonna be hitting each other over the heads with cyber mallets in here because there's news about Baker. That'll keep em all pre-occupied for the next few days...
They better take a long look at his mechanics and release. The low throws could be from releasing the ball a split second late each time. Some could also be from indecision or a lack of confidence at this point - but it's not something impossible to correct at all.
We'll see,...
I wouldn't worry. People are gonna be hitting each other over the heads with cyber mallets in here because there's news about Baker. That'll keep em all pre-occupied for the next few days...
Tom...It's been my understanding that when passes dive to the ground that this may have been a by product of nervousness..See Donovan McNabb in the SB.. He was undoubtedly nervous and clutching the ball too hard there by causing passes to dive to the ground... When you are nervous or have some inherent fear... You tend to press and grab things harder.. For example someone whose never ridden a roller coaster before will tend to grasp the safety bar harder...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
They better take a long look at his mechanics and release. The low throws could be from releasing the ball a split second late each time. Some could also be from indecision or a lack of confidence at this point - but it's not something impossible to correct at all.
We'll see,...
I wouldn't worry. People are gonna be hitting each other over the heads with cyber mallets in here because there's news about Baker. That'll keep em all pre-occupied for the next few days...
Tom...It's been my understanding that when passes dive to the ground that this may have been a by product of nervousness..See Donovan McNabb in the SB.. He was undoubtedly nervous and clutching the ball too hard there by causing passes to dive to the ground... When you are nervous or have some inherent fear... You tend to press and grab things harder.. For example someone whose never ridden a roller coaster before will tend to grasp the safety bar harder...
Tom...It's been my understanding that when passes dive to the ground that this may have been a by product of nervousness..See Donovan McNabb in the SB.. He was undoubtedly nervous and clutching the ball too hard there by causing passes to dive to the ground... When you are nervous or have some inherent fear... You tend to press and grab things harder.. For example someone whose never ridden a roller coaster before will tend to grasp the safety bar harder...
Yeah, that's a good point I wouldn't rule out. Nerves probably play into this quite a bit Nicks.
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They better take a long look at his mechanics and release. The low throws could be from releasing the ball a split second late each time. Some could also be from indecision or a lack of confidence at this point - but it's not something impossible to correct at all.
We'll see,...
I wouldn't worry. People are gonna be hitting each other over the heads with cyber mallets in here because there's news about Baker. That'll keep em all pre-occupied for the next few days...
Tom...It's been my understanding that when passes dive to the ground that this may have been a by product of nervousness..See Donovan McNabb in the SB.. He was undoubtedly nervous and clutching the ball too hard there by causing passes to dive to the ground... When you are nervous or have some inherent fear... You tend to press and grab things harder.. For example someone whose never ridden a roller coaster before will tend to grasp the safety bar harder...
Tom...It's been my understanding that when passes dive to the ground that this may have been a by product of nervousness..See Donovan McNabb in the SB.. He was undoubtedly nervous and clutching the ball too hard there by causing passes to dive to the ground... When you are nervous or have some inherent fear... You tend to press and grab things harder.. For example someone whose never ridden a roller coaster before will tend to grasp the safety bar harder...
Most excellent post!
I mean, what a position he was in. Out of football for 2 years (with 'some' work in training camp, but not a lot since he wasn't going to be playing). The mental stress he's been under for the last year or more. Then a couple of weeks of practice (only one week getting starting reps). Then he has to debut in Houston. - Yes, Houston is playing like a laughing stock...like we used to....but their defensive front is nothing to laugh at. They pressure the QB up there with the best of 'em.
It's going to take a little time for the game to slow back down for him. And so there's 5 games left in his 2022 preseason for the 2023 season for him to get back up to speed.
Now I'm making it seem as though he's the victim here, but only from the point of view of an individual having to play QB at a high level. Did he make enough mistakes to deserve it? I'll assume so.
He's going to have people hate him for life. I read a Yahoo Sports article about a past Browns player who is composing a letter to send to Roger GoToHell telling him that Watson should be suspended from football forever. And that he loves the Browns but he (and his daughter I think) have quit watching football and won't ever go back to watching the NFL because of him being allowed to come back and play. Well, at least they're not moving to Canada over it.
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I don’t get this “rust” thing everyone is talking about.
So DW plays what…5-6 games to knock the “rust” off, and he’s going to be ready to go in 2023 after no NFL games for 6 months?
With that mindset, one would think that the aforementioned “rust” would be visible again when the NFL season kicks off again this summer.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
1. Because he's the future of the Browns, not Brissett
2. You keep going on about how much money he makes like his paycheck comes out of your wallet.
3. Since when do you actually watch the Browns? Seems to me that after every game you come on here, tell everyone how you rode your bike instead of watching the Browns, how happy and delighted you are about this, etc.
1) A 1st round QB is also the future of a team, yet if he's not ready, he doesn't play.
2) If it came out of my wallet, he would not be here. A player's pay check is part of his legacy whether they like it or not. He will always be tied to the most ridiculous contract in sports history and if he doesn't live up to it on the field, it will only be highlighted even more.
3) I thought you understood humor? I watch all the games on delay so I don't log on here to have you spoil it for me while I'm behind. Guess I'll have to use the pink font more as to not lose you.
If it came out of my wallet, he would not be here. A player's pay check is part of his legacy whether they like it or not. He will always be tied to the most ridiculous contract in sports history and if he doesn't live up to it on the field, it will only be highlighted even more.
with all the gambling money coming in watsons contract will be the norm
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I don’t get this “rust” thing everyone is talking about.
So DW plays what…5-6 games to knock the “rust” off, and he’s going to be ready to go in 2023 after no NFL games for 6 months?
With that mindset, one would think that the aforementioned “rust” would be visible again when the NFL season kicks off again this summer.
I don’t get this “rust” thing everyone is talking about.
So DW plays what…5-6 games to knock the “rust” off, and he’s going to be ready to go in 2023 after no NFL games for 6 months?
With that mindset, one would think that the aforementioned “rust” would be visible again when the NFL season kicks off again this summer.
I can totally understand that the idea that a player who hasn't played a real game in almost two full calendar years having rust is a really difficult concept to grasp.
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I don’t get this “rust” thing everyone is talking about.
So DW plays what…5-6 games to knock the “rust” off, and he’s going to be ready to go in 2023 after no NFL games for 6 months?
With that mindset, one would think that the aforementioned “rust” would be visible again when the NFL season kicks off again this summer.
I can totally understand that the idea that a player who hasn't played a real game in almost two full calendar years having rust is a really difficult concept to grasp.
I can totally understand that the idea that a player who hasn't played a real game in almost two full calendar years having rust is a really difficult concept to grasp.
Yes, one would think he would at least pick up a football with one of his friends and go outside and toss the football around for a few minutes (preferably not at each others feet).
And you didn’t explain how that rust disappears between the months of January to July?
Please enlighten me.
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I can totally understand that the idea that a player who hasn't played a real game in almost two full calendar years having rust is a really difficult concept to grasp.
Yes, one would think he would at least pick up a football with one of his friends and go outside and toss the football around for a few minutes (preferably not at each others feet).
And you didn’t explain how that rust disappears between the months of January to July?
Please enlighten me.
Yes, one would think he would at least pick up a football with one of his friends and go outside and toss the football around for a few minutes (preferably not at each others feet).
And you didn’t explain how that rust disappears between the months of January to July?
Please enlighten me.
Picking up a football and going to have a catch with his friends is good simulation for playing football at the highest level on the planet?
Yeah, I think I'll pass on discussing this subject any more with you.
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Yes, one would think he would at least pick up a football with one of his friends and go outside and toss the football around for a few minutes (preferably not at each others feet).
And you didn’t explain how that rust disappears between the months of January to July?
Please enlighten me.
Picking up a football and going to have a catch with his friends is good simulation for playing football at the highest level on the planet?
Yeah, I think I'll pass on discussing this subject any more with you.
Picking up a football and going to have a catch with his friends is good simulation for playing football at the highest level on the planet?
Yeah, I think I'll pass on discussing this subject any more with you.
It's responses like this that shows the rest of the world what an over bloated blow hard you are... The guy asked a simple question and you basically called the guy a retard without calling him a retard... It's moments like this that tells me no one should ever take you seriously because it just seems like everything is just a joke to you... And your next response will be just another stupid ass laugh emoji. Not only are you not a cool person.. You are predictable... Enjoy your arrogance...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Yes, one would think he would at least pick up a football with one of his friends and go outside and toss the football around for a few minutes (preferably not at each others feet).
And you didn’t explain how that rust disappears between the months of January to July?
Please enlighten me.
Picking up a football and going to have a catch with his friends is good simulation for playing football at the highest level on the planet?
Yeah, I think I'll pass on discussing this subject any more with you.
Picking up a football and going to have a catch with his friends is good simulation for playing football at the highest level on the planet?
Yeah, I think I'll pass on discussing this subject any more with you.
It was a rhetorical question, and really doesn’t need a response.
I’m merely pointing out the fact that we’re giving DW reps to knock off the rust, only to have him sit during the offseason so he can get rusty again. ?
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Picking up a football and going to have a catch with his friends is good simulation for playing football at the highest level on the planet?
Yeah, I think I'll pass on discussing this subject any more with you.
It's responses like this that shows the rest of the world what an over bloated blow hard you are... The guy asked a simple question and you basically called the guy a retard without calling him a retard... It's moments like this that tells me no one should ever take you seriously because it just seems like everything is just a joke to you... And your next response will be just another stupid ass laugh emoji. Not only are you not a cool person.. You are predictable... Enjoy your arrogance...
It's responses like this that shows the rest of the world what an over bloated blow hard you are... The guy asked a simple question and you basically called the guy a retard without calling him a retard... It's moments like this that tells me no one should ever take you seriously because it just seems like everything is just a joke to you... And your next response will be just another stupid ass laugh emoji. Not only are you not a cool person.. You are predictable... Enjoy your arrogance...
I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
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It's responses like this that shows the rest of the world what an over bloated blow hard you are... The guy asked a simple question and you basically called the guy a retard without calling him a retard... It's moments like this that tells me no one should ever take you seriously because it just seems like everything is just a joke to you... And your next response will be just another stupid ass laugh emoji. Not only are you not a cool person.. You are predictable... Enjoy your arrogance...
I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
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I don’t get this “rust” thing everyone is talking about.
So DW plays what…5-6 games to knock the “rust” off, and he’s going to be ready to go in 2023 after no NFL games for 6 months?
With that mindset, one would think that the aforementioned “rust” would be visible again when the NFL season kicks off again this summer.
I can totally understand that the idea that a player who hasn't played a real game in almost two full calendar years having rust is a really difficult concept to grasp.
I can totally understand that the idea that a player who hasn't played a real game in almost two full calendar years having rust is a really difficult concept to grasp.
Right, the rust factor. Whatever helps make you relax.
There have been multiple times when backup QB's who have never played a down come in when called upon and have played admirably. Where is their rust?
Watson is elite is he not? He aint supposed to have "rust".
The Rust Factor
Every single conversation about DW4 starts with the exact phrase or some variation of "shaking off the rust".
I think it's difficult to define exactly what "rust" encompasses when talking about it. But I would say it's an overall definition of being out of sync and slow - mechanically, mentally and physically.
So what examples in football history really drive this narrative? I decided to look at some examples to compare to the time missed by Deshuan. But there is no perfect comparison.
The Deshaun Watson situation is unlike any other in the history of the game. He's not coming off of an injury, so his practice and workout regimen was never interrupted. The time away from the game was in the prime of his career, wheras most other examples are players in the later stages.
I think we could all agree that coming off an injury is pretty difficult and should be more reason to expect the dreaded "rust". So let's look at some QB's that missed a long period of time due to injury:
Joe Montana - This is the closest comparison to Deshaun as far as time missed. Joe Montana almost missed a full two seasons. He missed the entirety of the 1991 season due to injury, came back in 1992 but only played in 1 game. When he returned in 1993 it was with the Chiefs, so a new team just like DW4. Joe had all of training camp and preseason with no interruption before week 1, so you have to consider that when comparing to Watson. However, missing two years because of injuries, and then returning to football clearly in the twilight of your career - it would be completely understandable if Joe had a lot of rust to shake off.
In game 1, after missing almost two whole seasons, he was so rusty that he only completed 67% of his passes, for 246 yards and 3 TD's. Joe missed multiple games throughout that season due to injury and age catching up with him. But even in the twilight of his career, rust wasn't a factor when he returned.
Peyton Manning - Missed one full season in 2011 as we all know because of a neck injury. Another great QB that got injured and moved on to another team in the late stage of his career. So how did Peyton deal with all the rust he had to shake off in Denver in his return? He completed 73% of his passes for 253 yards and 2 TD's. Peyton went on that season to have a typical Peyton Manning season, throwing for 4600 yards, 37 TD with only 11 INT.
Tom Brady - Essentially missed a full season in 2008 being injured early in game 1. Not the best comparison because he stayed on the same team. But after a missing a full season he came back the next season with no rust - 73%, 378 yds, 2 TD's, 1 INT in game 1 of 2009.
WHERE IS ALL THE RUST?
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It's responses like this that shows the rest of the world what an over bloated blow hard you are... The guy asked a simple question and you basically called the guy a retard without calling him a retard... It's moments like this that tells me no one should ever take you seriously because it just seems like everything is just a joke to you... And your next response will be just another stupid ass laugh emoji. Not only are you not a cool person.. You are predictable... Enjoy your arrogance...
I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
I will hey Canton you are a retard
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I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
I will hey Canton you are a retard
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
WTF? Fuck?
He's probably hittin' the sauce again...
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I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
I will hey Canton you are a retard
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WTF? Fuck?
hahaha I was just fucking around it was a back handed smacking of nickers
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WTF? Fuck?
hahaha I was just fucking around it was a back handed smacking of nickers
hahaha I was just fucking around it was a back handed smacking of nickers
I know, I still like the name!
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
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