Deshaun Watson returns: Some of QB's accusers actually planning to attend Browns-Texans game in Houston
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1. Because he's the future of the Browns, not Brissett
2. You keep going on about how much money he makes like his paycheck comes out of your wallet.
3. Since when do you actually watch the Browns? Seems to me that after every game you come on here, tell everyone how you rode your bike instead of watching the Browns, how happy and delighted you are about this, etc.
1) A 1st round QB is also the future of a team, yet if he's not ready, he doesn't play.
2) If it came out of my wallet, he would not be here. A player's pay check is part of his legacy whether they like it or not. He will always be tied to the most ridiculous contract in sports history and if he doesn't live up to it on the field, it will only be highlighted even more.
3) I thought you understood humor? I watch all the games on delay so I don't log on here to have you spoil it for me while I'm behind. Guess I'll have to use the pink font more as to not lose you.
If it came out of my wallet, he would not be here. A player's pay check is part of his legacy whether they like it or not. He will always be tied to the most ridiculous contract in sports history and if he doesn't live up to it on the field, it will only be highlighted even more.
with all the gambling money coming in watsons contract will be the norm
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I don’t get this “rust” thing everyone is talking about.
So DW plays what…5-6 games to knock the “rust” off, and he’s going to be ready to go in 2023 after no NFL games for 6 months?
With that mindset, one would think that the aforementioned “rust” would be visible again when the NFL season kicks off again this summer.
I don’t get this “rust” thing everyone is talking about.
So DW plays what…5-6 games to knock the “rust” off, and he’s going to be ready to go in 2023 after no NFL games for 6 months?
With that mindset, one would think that the aforementioned “rust” would be visible again when the NFL season kicks off again this summer.
I can totally understand that the idea that a player who hasn't played a real game in almost two full calendar years having rust is a really difficult concept to grasp.
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I don’t get this “rust” thing everyone is talking about.
So DW plays what…5-6 games to knock the “rust” off, and he’s going to be ready to go in 2023 after no NFL games for 6 months?
With that mindset, one would think that the aforementioned “rust” would be visible again when the NFL season kicks off again this summer.
I can totally understand that the idea that a player who hasn't played a real game in almost two full calendar years having rust is a really difficult concept to grasp.
I can totally understand that the idea that a player who hasn't played a real game in almost two full calendar years having rust is a really difficult concept to grasp.
Yes, one would think he would at least pick up a football with one of his friends and go outside and toss the football around for a few minutes (preferably not at each others feet).
And you didn’t explain how that rust disappears between the months of January to July?
Please enlighten me.
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I can totally understand that the idea that a player who hasn't played a real game in almost two full calendar years having rust is a really difficult concept to grasp.
Yes, one would think he would at least pick up a football with one of his friends and go outside and toss the football around for a few minutes (preferably not at each others feet).
And you didn’t explain how that rust disappears between the months of January to July?
Please enlighten me.
Yes, one would think he would at least pick up a football with one of his friends and go outside and toss the football around for a few minutes (preferably not at each others feet).
And you didn’t explain how that rust disappears between the months of January to July?
Please enlighten me.
Picking up a football and going to have a catch with his friends is good simulation for playing football at the highest level on the planet?
Yeah, I think I'll pass on discussing this subject any more with you.
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Yes, one would think he would at least pick up a football with one of his friends and go outside and toss the football around for a few minutes (preferably not at each others feet).
And you didn’t explain how that rust disappears between the months of January to July?
Please enlighten me.
Picking up a football and going to have a catch with his friends is good simulation for playing football at the highest level on the planet?
Yeah, I think I'll pass on discussing this subject any more with you.
Picking up a football and going to have a catch with his friends is good simulation for playing football at the highest level on the planet?
Yeah, I think I'll pass on discussing this subject any more with you.
It's responses like this that shows the rest of the world what an over bloated blow hard you are... The guy asked a simple question and you basically called the guy a retard without calling him a retard... It's moments like this that tells me no one should ever take you seriously because it just seems like everything is just a joke to you... And your next response will be just another stupid ass laugh emoji. Not only are you not a cool person.. You are predictable... Enjoy your arrogance...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Yes, one would think he would at least pick up a football with one of his friends and go outside and toss the football around for a few minutes (preferably not at each others feet).
And you didn’t explain how that rust disappears between the months of January to July?
Please enlighten me.
Picking up a football and going to have a catch with his friends is good simulation for playing football at the highest level on the planet?
Yeah, I think I'll pass on discussing this subject any more with you.
Picking up a football and going to have a catch with his friends is good simulation for playing football at the highest level on the planet?
Yeah, I think I'll pass on discussing this subject any more with you.
It was a rhetorical question, and really doesn’t need a response.
I’m merely pointing out the fact that we’re giving DW reps to knock off the rust, only to have him sit during the offseason so he can get rusty again. ?
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Picking up a football and going to have a catch with his friends is good simulation for playing football at the highest level on the planet?
Yeah, I think I'll pass on discussing this subject any more with you.
It's responses like this that shows the rest of the world what an over bloated blow hard you are... The guy asked a simple question and you basically called the guy a retard without calling him a retard... It's moments like this that tells me no one should ever take you seriously because it just seems like everything is just a joke to you... And your next response will be just another stupid ass laugh emoji. Not only are you not a cool person.. You are predictable... Enjoy your arrogance...
It's responses like this that shows the rest of the world what an over bloated blow hard you are... The guy asked a simple question and you basically called the guy a retard without calling him a retard... It's moments like this that tells me no one should ever take you seriously because it just seems like everything is just a joke to you... And your next response will be just another stupid ass laugh emoji. Not only are you not a cool person.. You are predictable... Enjoy your arrogance...
I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
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It's responses like this that shows the rest of the world what an over bloated blow hard you are... The guy asked a simple question and you basically called the guy a retard without calling him a retard... It's moments like this that tells me no one should ever take you seriously because it just seems like everything is just a joke to you... And your next response will be just another stupid ass laugh emoji. Not only are you not a cool person.. You are predictable... Enjoy your arrogance...
I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
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I don’t get this “rust” thing everyone is talking about.
So DW plays what…5-6 games to knock the “rust” off, and he’s going to be ready to go in 2023 after no NFL games for 6 months?
With that mindset, one would think that the aforementioned “rust” would be visible again when the NFL season kicks off again this summer.
I can totally understand that the idea that a player who hasn't played a real game in almost two full calendar years having rust is a really difficult concept to grasp.
I can totally understand that the idea that a player who hasn't played a real game in almost two full calendar years having rust is a really difficult concept to grasp.
Right, the rust factor. Whatever helps make you relax.
There have been multiple times when backup QB's who have never played a down come in when called upon and have played admirably. Where is their rust?
Watson is elite is he not? He aint supposed to have "rust".
The Rust Factor
Every single conversation about DW4 starts with the exact phrase or some variation of "shaking off the rust".
I think it's difficult to define exactly what "rust" encompasses when talking about it. But I would say it's an overall definition of being out of sync and slow - mechanically, mentally and physically.
So what examples in football history really drive this narrative? I decided to look at some examples to compare to the time missed by Deshuan. But there is no perfect comparison.
The Deshaun Watson situation is unlike any other in the history of the game. He's not coming off of an injury, so his practice and workout regimen was never interrupted. The time away from the game was in the prime of his career, wheras most other examples are players in the later stages.
I think we could all agree that coming off an injury is pretty difficult and should be more reason to expect the dreaded "rust". So let's look at some QB's that missed a long period of time due to injury:
Joe Montana - This is the closest comparison to Deshaun as far as time missed. Joe Montana almost missed a full two seasons. He missed the entirety of the 1991 season due to injury, came back in 1992 but only played in 1 game. When he returned in 1993 it was with the Chiefs, so a new team just like DW4. Joe had all of training camp and preseason with no interruption before week 1, so you have to consider that when comparing to Watson. However, missing two years because of injuries, and then returning to football clearly in the twilight of your career - it would be completely understandable if Joe had a lot of rust to shake off.
In game 1, after missing almost two whole seasons, he was so rusty that he only completed 67% of his passes, for 246 yards and 3 TD's. Joe missed multiple games throughout that season due to injury and age catching up with him. But even in the twilight of his career, rust wasn't a factor when he returned.
Peyton Manning - Missed one full season in 2011 as we all know because of a neck injury. Another great QB that got injured and moved on to another team in the late stage of his career. So how did Peyton deal with all the rust he had to shake off in Denver in his return? He completed 73% of his passes for 253 yards and 2 TD's. Peyton went on that season to have a typical Peyton Manning season, throwing for 4600 yards, 37 TD with only 11 INT.
Tom Brady - Essentially missed a full season in 2008 being injured early in game 1. Not the best comparison because he stayed on the same team. But after a missing a full season he came back the next season with no rust - 73%, 378 yds, 2 TD's, 1 INT in game 1 of 2009.
WHERE IS ALL THE RUST?
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It's responses like this that shows the rest of the world what an over bloated blow hard you are... The guy asked a simple question and you basically called the guy a retard without calling him a retard... It's moments like this that tells me no one should ever take you seriously because it just seems like everything is just a joke to you... And your next response will be just another stupid ass laugh emoji. Not only are you not a cool person.. You are predictable... Enjoy your arrogance...
I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
I will hey Canton you are a retard
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I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
I will hey Canton you are a retard
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
WTF? Fuck?
He's probably hittin' the sauce again...
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I absolutely did not, and would not, call Canton Dawg a "retard".
I find it a complete waste of time arguing a point with someone who has already 100% made up their mind about a situation. It's nothing personal towards Canton Dawg, who I can and will discuss many topics willingly. This one, though, is pointless.
If I was ever going to call someone a "retard", I would reserve that for someone who repeatedly deserves it, like you.
Now here's a stupid ass laugh emoji, nickers. Enjoy. ?
I will hey Canton you are a retard
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WTF? Fuck?
hahaha I was just fucking around it was a back handed smacking of nickers
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WTF? Fuck?
hahaha I was just fucking around it was a back handed smacking of nickers
hahaha I was just fucking around it was a back handed smacking of nickers
I know, I still like the name!
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
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honestly I believe the browns thought...
1) Watson would only miss 6-8 game weeks
2) Agreed..Watson looked 700 days rusty.. but remember.. His contract number for this season is 1 million dollars..
3. The balls thrown in the dirt... I'll wait for a all 22 view.. Watson has done this before at Clemson, when his reads were not open preventing taking hits on himself or his target.. K. Hunt had a outstanding clutch catch on a low ball, that saved us on a 3rd down..
Watson's feet looked all over the place at his release.. Passes did come out of his hand nose diving.. I'd need a better tape look for a reason why
Good points Gumbs!
I'd still like to hear from all of the Jacoby critics about this massive foretold upgrade we have at QB (via Dobbs or Watson) the second Jacoby is replaced. We haven't seen an offensive TD since it happened. If our defense and special teams were as helpful to the career back QB here - this team would easily have 8 wins on its record today.
Watson DID avoid sacks with intentional throw-aways at Clemson. However, a lot of his bounce passes and/or ankle high throws on Sunday weren't intended throw-aways. I'm okay with some rust; but this seemed excessive to the extent he lost all his mechanics and fundamentals aside from the re-adjustment to the speed of the game. You brought up an interesting point about the ball coming out of his hands nose diving. Looks to me like he's waiting a split second longer to let go of the ball during his throwing motion. It's a fine line the coaching staff is going to have to take a look at to help him. Some of that could a temporary lack of confidence in himself or with his decision within a progression or a little bit of both. I can't say without access to film. It might be something for you to look for with the all 22 view.
However, a lot of his bounce passes and/or ankle high throws on Sunday weren't intended throw-aways. I'm okay with some rust; but this seemed excessive to the extent he lost all his mechanics and fundamentals aside from the re-adjustment to the speed of the game. You brought up an interesting point about the ball coming out of his hands nose diving. Looks to me like he's waiting a split second longer to let go of the ball during his throwing motion. It's a fine line the coaching staff is going to have to take a look at to help him. Some of that could a temporary lack of confidence in himself or with his decision within a progression or a little bit of both. I can't say without access to film.
I'd say ya nailed it Flug..
best guy to ask & agrees with ya
Watson chalked those errors up to technique and believes they can be corrected as he rekindles the muscle memory required to make throws from any part of the field.
"It was just more mechanics, just my base, my shoulder plane and my shoulder leverage and keeping that up high," Watson said as he mimicked his throwing shoulder motion. "It was just all fundamentals with that."
Tom...It's been my understanding that when passes dive to the ground that this may have been a by product of nervousness..See Donovan McNabb in the SB.. He was undoubtedly nervous and clutching the ball too hard there by causing passes to dive to the ground... When you are nervous or have some inherent fear... You tend to press and grab things harder..
Good reference Nick...
Wills & Froholdt need to step their game up before this Bengals game.. It was bad on tape in Houston ?
just finished watching the all 22...Watson seemed to really struggle when he saw pressure coming.. He sure could have over-gripped at least 5 passes
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
I know, I still like the name!
i knew you know better from me
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However, a lot of his bounce passes and/or ankle high throws on Sunday weren't intended throw-aways. I'm okay with some rust; but this seemed excessive to the extent he lost all his mechanics and fundamentals aside from the re-adjustment to the speed of the game. You brought up an interesting point about the ball coming out of his hands nose diving. Looks to me like he's waiting a split second longer to let go of the ball during his throwing motion. It's a fine line the coaching staff is going to have to take a look at to help him. Some of that could a temporary lack of confidence in himself or with his decision within a progression or a little bit of both. I can't say without access to film.
I'd say ya nailed it Flug..
best guy to ask & agrees with ya
Watson chalked those errors up to technique and believes they can be corrected as he rekindles the muscle memory required to make throws from any part of the field.
"It was just more mechanics, just my base, my shoulder plane and my shoulder leverage and keeping that up high," Watson said as he mimicked his throwing shoulder motion. "It was just all fundamentals with that."
Tom...It's been my understanding that when passes dive to the ground that this may have been a by product of nervousness..See Donovan McNabb in the SB.. He was undoubtedly nervous and clutching the ball too hard there by causing passes to dive to the ground... When you are nervous or have some inherent fear... You tend to press and grab things harder..
Good reference Nick...
Wills & Froholdt need to step their game up before this Bengals game.. It was bad on tape in Houston ?
just finished watching the all 22...Watson seemed to really struggle when he saw pressure coming.. He sure could have over-gripped at least 5 passes
I'd say ya nailed it Flug..
best guy to ask & agrees with ya
Watson chalked those errors up to technique and believes they can be corrected as he rekindles the muscle memory required to make throws from any part of the field.
"It was just more mechanics, just my base, my shoulder plane and my shoulder leverage and keeping that up high," Watson said as he mimicked his throwing shoulder motion. "It was just all fundamentals with that."
Good reference Nick...
Wills & Froholdt need to step their game up before this Bengals game.. It was bad on tape in Houston ?
just finished watching the all 22...Watson seemed to really struggle when he saw pressure coming.. He sure could have over-gripped at least 5 passes
Thanks Gumbs! Wills is becoming a huge concern this year. Last year, he got pardoned via the early high ankle sprain but it looked like it often became an excuse to sand bag later in the year. Some of this is effort. If you're on offense and the only advantage you have as an OL to WIN position up front is KNOWING THE SNAP COUNT - he shouldn't be getting beat nearly as frequently right out of stance as he does. Other plays, he stops right after initial contact.
I criticized him earlier this year for this stuff; and he came back the next game with way more effort and hustle. I don't have access to the all 22; but I know Callahan and his assistant has the ideal technology to see the same stuff and get in his ear about it. The rip move he's really vulnerable to has been around forever. Let's hope Callahan riles him up this week for a different outcome. We can only hope right?
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