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  • In 2 full games with Deshaun Watson the Browns have scored a total of 16 points including just 1 TD. He's a combined 38/64 (59%) for 407 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, and a 70.2 Passer Rating. I expected more for $230,000,000 + 3 1st Rd draft picks.
  • In 2 full games with Deshaun Watson the Browns have scored a total of 16 points including just 1 TD. He's a combined 38/64 (59%) for 407 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, and a 70.2 Passer Rating. I expected more for $230,000,000 + 3 1st Rd draft picks.

    @nickers said:

    In 2 full games with Deshaun Watson the Browns have scored a total of 16 points including just 1 TD. He's a combined 38/64 (59%) for 407 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, and a 70.2 Passer Rating. I expected more for $230,000,000 + 3 1st Rd draft picks.

    But...excuses. 

  • @nickers said:

    In 2 full games with Deshaun Watson the Browns have scored a total of 16 points including just 1 TD. He's a combined 38/64 (59%) for 407 yds, 1 TD, 2 INT, and a 70.2 Passer Rating. I expected more for $230,000,000 + 3 1st Rd draft picks.

    But...excuses. 

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    But...excuses. 

    ...or is it reasons?   Like, this was his second football game in two years.  And he's on a new team but wasn't allowed to 'be' with the team and get in sync with his new players.   They're called 'reasons' because many of us anticipated this type of start for Watson.  Of course, those who think that someone can be plopped into this type of situation and come out of the box with 125 passer rating....well, I got nothin' for ya.

  • There is  NO  template or road map or anything else that would explain what happens for a player who's been out around two years and is being sued by dozens of women (you know the story)  etc, etc.   None.

    It's one week at a time, one game at a time.

    Anything else is just needless conjecture.   Eh ?   😕

  • @typicalbrowns50 said:

    Should we just fire Stefanski and start over?

    Yes.

    But they will not. He'll get fired during or after next season. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    Yes.

    But they will not. He'll get fired during or after next season. 

    I didn't see the game today.  So I looked up the playbook to check the Brissett pass.  So Stef sent him in there on a 4th and 1.  And because he's a very good QB sneak quarterback, and Hudson reported as an eligible receiver, it would certainly look like a QB sneak.  Stef thought he'd have a wide open receiver.

    Is that the way it was?   I mean, Jacoby wasn't in a shot-gun or anything was he?   (I haven't seen the play)

    ....of course, I'm not a big fan of the way he's been passing up FG's this season, but we just don't know for sure if it's an organizational mandate (analytics).  

  • When do we get relegated?

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Yes.

    But they will not. He'll get fired during or after next season. 

    I didn't see the game today.  So I looked up the playbook to check the Brissett pass.  So Stef sent him in there on a 4th and 1.  And because he's a very good QB sneak quarterback, and Hudson reported as an eligible receiver, it would certainly look like a QB sneak.  Stef thought he'd have a wide open receiver.

    Is that the way it was?   I mean, Jacoby wasn't in a shot-gun or anything was he?   (I haven't seen the play)

    ....of course, I'm not a big fan of the way he's been passing up FG's this season, but we just don't know for sure if it's an organizational mandate (analytics).  

    @orion said:

    I didn't see the game today.  So I looked up the playbook to check the Brissett pass.  So Stef sent him in there on a 4th and 1.  And because he's a very good QB sneak quarterback, and Hudson reported as an eligible receiver, it would certainly look like a QB sneak.  Stef thought he'd have a wide open receiver.

    Is that the way it was?   I mean, Jacoby wasn't in a shot-gun or anything was he?   (I haven't seen the play)

    ....of course, I'm not a big fan of the way he's been passing up FG's this season, but we just don't know for sure if it's an organizational mandate (analytics).  

    The play drawn up was perfect & of course #7 overthrew DPJ by a few yards, should have been a TD. He wasn't in shotgun.

    It's just an odd call, considering they're paying DW all that $$.

    I'm wondering how these last 4 games will pan out. If the Browns battle hard, they haven't quit on Stefanski.

    Damnit. I want to be optimistic. Today sucked.

  • reasons for the "superstar" super qb, but always excuses for Baker. got  it.  It isn't llike watson has only been with the Browns for three days, and expecting him to direct a game winning TD drive and get a game ball for 230 million and three draft choices......

    but the problem is stef - he doesn't make much sense as a hc. You have a once in a decade? RB and he nets 34 yards????

    dammit. But get rid of Steph and you still have the fo and ownership problem. They got outcoached AGAIN.

    watson has a nice arm, but accuracy is crap. Made a few good throws. Here and there. The worst qb in the nfl can do that. Well, except for Josh Rosen....

        Wouldn't let York try a FG......too bad.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Yes.

    But they will not. He'll get fired during or after next season. 

    I didn't see the game today.  So I looked up the playbook to check the Brissett pass.  So Stef sent him in there on a 4th and 1.  And because he's a very good QB sneak quarterback, and Hudson reported as an eligible receiver, it would certainly look like a QB sneak.  Stef thought he'd have a wide open receiver.

    Is that the way it was?   I mean, Jacoby wasn't in a shot-gun or anything was he?   (I haven't seen the play)

    ....of course, I'm not a big fan of the way he's been passing up FG's this season, but we just don't know for sure if it's an organizational mandate (analytics).  

    @orion said:

    I didn't see the game today.  So I looked up the playbook to check the Brissett pass.  So Stef sent him in there on a 4th and 1.  And because he's a very good QB sneak quarterback, and Hudson reported as an eligible receiver, it would certainly look like a QB sneak.  Stef thought he'd have a wide open receiver.

    Is that the way it was?   I mean, Jacoby wasn't in a shot-gun or anything was he?   (I haven't seen the play)

    ....of course, I'm not a big fan of the way he's been passing up FG's this season, but we just don't know for sure if it's an organizational mandate (analytics).  

    To be fair, it was set up perfectly.

    Everyone in the stadium thought JB was going to QB sneak, he gets under center, fakes a handoff (I believe?) and rolls back and overthrowns DPJ, who had at least one, maybe two steps on the nearest defender. A decent throw and it is a touchdown. 

  • There is  NO  template or road map or anything else that would explain what happens for a player who's been out around two years and is being sued by dozens of women (you know the story)  etc, etc.   None.

    It's one week at a time, one game at a time.

    Anything else is just needless conjecture.   Eh ?   😕

    @mjp28 said:

    There is  NO  template or road map or anything else that would explain what happens for a player who's been out around two years and is being sued by dozens of women (you know the story)  etc, etc.   None.

    It's one week at a time, one game at a time.

    Anything else is just needless conjecture.   Eh ?   😕

    While this is true, he could use a better Head Coach

  • reasons for the "superstar" super qb, but always excuses for Baker. got  it.  It isn't llike watson has only been with the Browns for three days, and expecting him to direct a game winning TD drive and get a game ball for 230 million and three draft choices......

    but the problem is stef - he doesn't make much sense as a hc. You have a once in a decade? RB and he nets 34 yards????

    dammit. But get rid of Steph and you still have the fo and ownership problem. They got outcoached AGAIN.

    watson has a nice arm, but accuracy is crap. Made a few good throws. Here and there. The worst qb in the nfl can do that. Well, except for Josh Rosen....

        Wouldn't let York try a FG......too bad.

    @calfoxwc said:

    reasons for the "superstar" super qb, but always excuses for Baker. got  it.  It isn't llike watson has only been with the Browns for three days, and expecting him to direct a game winning TD drive and get a game ball for 230 million and three draft choices......

    Does your wife know you wish it was you in Baker's SUV at the Cheesecake Factory blowing him? 

    You'd enjoy that "bigly", I suspect. 

  • reasons for the "superstar" super qb, but always excuses for Baker. got  it.  It isn't llike watson has only been with the Browns for three days, and expecting him to direct a game winning TD drive and get a game ball for 230 million and three draft choices......

    but the problem is stef - he doesn't make much sense as a hc. You have a once in a decade? RB and he nets 34 yards????

    dammit. But get rid of Steph and you still have the fo and ownership problem. They got outcoached AGAIN.

    watson has a nice arm, but accuracy is crap. Made a few good throws. Here and there. The worst qb in the nfl can do that. Well, except for Josh Rosen....

        Wouldn't let York try a FG......too bad.

    @calfoxwc said:

    reasons for the "superstar" super qb, but always excuses for Baker. got  it.  It isn't llike watson has only been with the Browns for three days, and expecting him to direct a game winning TD drive and get a game ball for 230 million and three draft choices......

    Baker didn't have a 700 day lay off. When the NFL extended Watson's suspension from 6 to 11 games, our season was effectively over, we hoped otherwise but it is what is.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    reasons for the "superstar" super qb, but always excuses for Baker. got  it.  It isn't llike watson has only been with the Browns for three days, and expecting him to direct a game winning TD drive and get a game ball for 230 million and three draft choices......

    Baker didn't have a 700 day lay off. When the NFL extended Watson's suspension from 6 to 11 games, our season was effectively over, we hoped otherwise but it is what is.

    @mddawg said:

    Baker didn't have a 700 day lay off. When the NFL extended Watson's suspension from 6 to 11 games, our season was effectively over, we hoped otherwise but it is what is.

    I know what you are saying - but his suspension was only about 330 days, and  the rest, he did to himself. He is responsible for his own troubles. Plenty of time to work on his mechanics on his own.

       He may start being a terrific qb next year...or not. Still a sad situation.

  • @mddawg said:

    Baker didn't have a 700 day lay off. When the NFL extended Watson's suspension from 6 to 11 games, our season was effectively over, we hoped otherwise but it is what is.

    I know what you are saying - but his suspension was only about 330 days, and  the rest, he did to himself. He is responsible for his own troubles. Plenty of time to work on his mechanics on his own.

       He may start being a terrific qb next year...or not. Still a sad situation.

    @calfoxwc said:

    I know what you are saying - but his suspension was only about 330 days, and  the rest, he did to himself. He is responsible for his own troubles. Plenty of time to work on his mechanics on his own.

       He may start being a terrific qb next year...or not. Still a sad situation.

    Self inflicted doesn't matter in the reality of things it's still almost 2 years not playing at game speed. The good news is that his play noticeably improved from last week so maybe by the end of the season we'll see the DeShaun we paid for. I watched part of the game and there was a near sack with his legs wrapped up where he still made a long completion. I'm optimistic for the future.

  • There is  NO  template or road map or anything else that would explain what happens for a player who's been out around two years and is being sued by dozens of women (you know the story)  etc, etc.   None.

    It's one week at a time, one game at a time.

    Anything else is just needless conjecture.   Eh ?   😕

    @mjp28 said:

    There is  NO  template or road map or anything else that would explain what happens for a player who's been out around two years and is being sued by dozens of women (you know the story)  etc, etc.   None.

    ^ add to the above, handed 23% of a billion dollars in fully guaranteed money no matter how he performs on the field..... what could possibly go wrong with that? 

  • @calfoxwc said:

    I know what you are saying - but his suspension was only about 330 days, and  the rest, he did to himself. He is responsible for his own troubles. Plenty of time to work on his mechanics on his own.

       He may start being a terrific qb next year...or not. Still a sad situation.

    Self inflicted doesn't matter in the reality of things it's still almost 2 years not playing at game speed. The good news is that his play noticeably improved from last week so maybe by the end of the season we'll see the DeShaun we paid for. I watched part of the game and there was a near sack with his legs wrapped up where he still made a long completion. I'm optimistic for the future.

    @mddawg said:

    Self inflicted doesn't matter in the reality of things it's still almost 2 years not playing at game speed. The good news is that his play noticeably improved from last week so maybe by the end of the season we'll see the DeShaun we paid for. I watched part of the game and there was a near sack with his legs wrapped up where he still made a long completion. I'm optimistic for the future.

    The good news is that this throws looked much better today than his first week. The worm burners were noticeably gone today. He missed some open guys and at times seemed a click late on other throws, but I would imagine that will keep getting better as these final games go on. 

  • @mjp28 said:

    There is  NO  template or road map or anything else that would explain what happens for a player who's been out around two years and is being sued by dozens of women (you know the story)  etc, etc.   None.

    ^ add to the above, handed 23% of a billion dollars in fully guaranteed money no matter how he performs on the field..... what could possibly go wrong with that? 

    @d-bone said:

    ^ add to the above, handed 23% of a billion dollars in fully guaranteed money no matter how he performs on the field..... what could possibly go wrong with that? 

    Absolutely nothing.     😆.   

    Now from a business or financial perspective well let's put it in their terms .....  AHHHHHHHH !   What were you thinking  ?   Are you out of your freakin' mind ?   Oh and draft picks too ..... oh yeah.   Brilliant.       😳

  • @d-bone said:

    ^ add to the above, handed 23% of a billion dollars in fully guaranteed money no matter how he performs on the field..... what could possibly go wrong with that? 

    Absolutely nothing.     😆.   

    Now from a business or financial perspective well let's put it in their terms .....  AHHHHHHHH !   What were you thinking  ?   Are you out of your freakin' mind ?   Oh and draft picks too ..... oh yeah.   Brilliant.       😳

    @mjp28 said:

    Absolutely nothing.     😆.   

    Now from a business or financial perspective well let's put it in their terms .....  AHHHHHHHH !   What were you thinking  ?   Are you out of your freakin' mind ?   Oh and draft picks too ..... oh yeah.   Brilliant.       😳

    I don't pay my gardener, er landscaping technician, until he finishes his 4th and final service of the month, pretty sure I wouldn't hand an athlete money I couldn't recoup before they performed.... but I guess I'm weird that way. ?

  • @mjp28 said:

    Absolutely nothing.     😆.   

    Now from a business or financial perspective well let's put it in their terms .....  AHHHHHHHH !   What were you thinking  ?   Are you out of your freakin' mind ?   Oh and draft picks too ..... oh yeah.   Brilliant.       😳

    I don't pay my gardener, er landscaping technician, until he finishes his 4th and final service of the month, pretty sure I wouldn't hand an athlete money I couldn't recoup before they performed.... but I guess I'm weird that way. ?

    @d-bone said:

    I don't pay my gardener, er landscaping technician, until he finishes his 4th and final service of the month, pretty sure I wouldn't hand an athlete money I couldn't recoup before they performed.... but I guess I'm weird that way. ?

    Watson mows your lawn ?