Brady Quinn sucks and always has! Can we please put Derek Anderson back in.
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@jadbf said:
So there's a specific number of days before you get your free pass to Dawgbones?Just making sure everyone here is held to the same standards is all.
Remember. As bad as Quinn played, He'll still be the starter this sunday. That says alot about DA doesn't it?
No, come over to Dawgbones.com right now ... the discussions are much better. No Quinn haters there, just apologist ... it's freaking awesome. I'm posting under the name Quinn10 ... there are like 104 of us with similar names, but it's awesome
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Which is it? Was Lum here the past year posting to a nusiance, or was he in hiding til now?
You're god damn right he was a fooking hiding no show after shitty performances by DA. Don't try and feed me this bullshit that Numnuts was here good or bad with DA. He had no defense of the piss poor play so he never showed up.
You're ready to hang Quinn as if 4 games is the deciding # of starts. Fook that, have a seat fella. Quinn has a few more games to be measured by.
Fooking hypocrites.
You're god damn right he was a fooking hiding no show after shitty performances by DA. Don't try and feed me this bullshit that Numnuts was here good or bad with DA. He had no defense of the piss poor play so he never showed up.
You're ready to hang Quinn as if 4 games is the deciding # of starts. Fook that, have a seat fella. Quinn has a few more games to be measured by.
Fooking hypocrites.
Not my man Lums, that dude has HorseBalls, he kicks all your asses on a daily basis win/lose/draw.
I'm not ready to hang Quinn, just get his vanila ass out of here. Geez, after watching that shit I expected to see him star in a Tops grocery store commerical and ride across the screen on that shopping cart.
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@jadbf said:
Cute. but we all know you are a DA FAG plain and simple.SO again, What's it say about DA that he couldn't beat out a QB that you say sucks as bad as BQ does?
I don't know, what?
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@jadbf said:
Glad you admit you don't know anything about what makes a good QB.Biceps?
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@jadbf said:
Nah I thought it was 4 int games when all your team needs is a win against the worst team in your divison.Do you still get a woody thinking about how close DA got us to the playoffs that year?
Yes, I do ... Dawson should have nailed that kick in Oakland.
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Look,
For now Brady is the guy. No matter what us DA guys think, we need to shut up and support Quinn. WE ARE BROWNS FANS FIRST!!! DA would have made no difference in that game yesterday.
Im one of the biggest DA guys but Im on board with what Mangini wants to do. It was 1 game, lets see what Quinn does against Denver, remember last year Quinn had a very solid game against that defense!
GO BROWNS!
I am a Browns fan...but after all this crap over how great bq will be it's hard not to want to rub some noses in the poop...I see flaws in both QB's and hope we draft one next year...cause I have little confidence in either qb on our roster
I am a Browns fan...but after all this crap over how great bq will be it's hard not to want to rub some noses in the poop...I see flaws in both QB's and hope we draft one next year...cause I have little confidence in either qb on our roster
No one has ever said BQ WOULD be great.
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@jadbf said:
Right everyone elses fault but your loverboy.We understand DA Fag.
Heck Winslow shouldn't have let himself get punked out of bounds either right?
Your Love for DA is admirable.
But two straight coaching staffs have now decided DA's career is behind him and Quinn, while maybe average, gives them a better chance to win.
that is conjecture about two coaching staffs....
Mangini has a CAREER...... he cant be blamed by starting BQ because he was not his draft pick BUT he can be blamed for starting DA instead of BQ..... Its a smart move on his part for his personal career. If BQ craps the bed he can say he wanted to see him play and he was someone elses high draft pick, if he is good than he will look like a good talent evaluater.
He always has DA in his back pocket and he knows it.
This is still an ENTERTAINMENT TICKET BASED BUSINESS which means fans and the owner who is sensitive about ticket sales..... Fans want to see the first rounder rightfully so when the team is floundering...... It still is a business not just a sport and like Rac and the general dictator Savage they can be FIRED.....
So stop with the conjecture about skill levels of players we dont know all of the ins and outs.... You can make multiple devils advocate arguments based on pure conjecture.
Mangini for his own personal career would have been crazy to start DA over BQ even if he thinks it is better for the team because he knows when a new regime is taking over the team is in flux and not optimal for winning right off the bat. Too many variables can go wrong until he has a couple of years to get his players and system installed.
BQ crapped the bed and continued what he showed last year, he only shined against a horrible defense.... WE NEED MORE DATA to find an average mean.
The right side of the line sucks and we need at least 80-100 yards in rushing along with the chemistry BQ needs to develop with his skill players. Next week he should do better against a weaker defense but we should see some sort of average after 6-8 games of different level defenses and time to develop chemistry with the team and NEW offensive coordinator.
IF he continues you can gaurantee DA will be playing this year, if not and he progresses we MIGHT have our franchise QB.
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Can we close this thread please, its foundation is built on manure
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@jadbf said:
Right everyone elses fault but your loverboy.We understand DA Fag.
Heck Winslow shouldn't have let himself get punked out of bounds either right?
Your Love for DA is admirable.
But two straight coaching staffs have now decided DA's career is behind him and Quinn, while maybe average, gives them a better chance to win.
that is conjecture about two coaching staffs....
Mangini has a CAREER...... he cant be blamed by starting BQ because he was not his draft pick BUT he can be blamed for starting DA instead of BQ..... Its a smart move on his part for his personal career. If BQ craps the bed he can say he wanted to see him play and he was someone elses high draft pick, if he is good than he will look like a good talent evaluater.
He always has DA in his back pocket and he knows it.
This is still an ENTERTAINMENT TICKET BASED BUSINESS which means fans and the owner who is sensitive about ticket sales..... Fans want to see the first rounder rightfully so when the team is floundering...... It still is a business not just a sport and like Rac and the general dictator Savage they can be FIRED.....
So stop with the conjecture about skill levels of players we dont know all of the ins and outs.... You can make multiple devils advocate arguments based on pure conjecture.
Mangini for his own personal career would have been crazy to start DA over BQ even if he thinks it is better for the team because he knows when a new regime is taking over the team is in flux and not optimal for winning right off the bat. Too many variables can go wrong until he has a couple of years to get his players and system installed.
BQ crapped the bed and continued what he showed last year, he only shined against a horrible defense.... WE NEED MORE DATA to find an average mean.
The right side of the line sucks and we need at least 80-100 yards in rushing along with the chemistry BQ needs to develop with his skill players. Next week he should do better against a weaker defense but we should see some sort of average after 6-8 games of different level defenses and time to develop chemistry with the team and NEW offensive coordinator.
IF he continues you can gaurantee DA will be playing this year, if not and he progresses we MIGHT have our franchise QB.
that is conjecture about two coaching staffs....
Mangini has a CAREER...... he cant be blamed by starting BQ because he was not his draft pick BUT he can be blamed for starting DA instead of BQ..... Its a smart move on his part for his personal career. If BQ craps the bed he can say he wanted to see him play and he was someone elses high draft pick, if he is good than he will look like a good talent evaluater.
He always has DA in his back pocket and he knows it.
This is still an ENTERTAINMENT TICKET BASED BUSINESS which means fans and the owner who is sensitive about ticket sales..... Fans want to see the first rounder rightfully so when the team is floundering...... It still is a business not just a sport and like Rac and the general dictator Savage they can be FIRED.....
So stop with the conjecture about skill levels of players we dont know all of the ins and outs.... You can make multiple devils advocate arguments based on pure conjecture.
Mangini for his own personal career would have been crazy to start DA over BQ even if he thinks it is better for the team because he knows when a new regime is taking over the team is in flux and not optimal for winning right off the bat. Too many variables can go wrong until he has a couple of years to get his players and system installed.
BQ crapped the bed and continued what he showed last year, he only shined against a horrible defense.... WE NEED MORE DATA to find an average mean.
The right side of the line sucks and we need at least 80-100 yards in rushing along with the chemistry BQ needs to develop with his skill players. Next week he should do better against a weaker defense but we should see some sort of average after 6-8 games of different level defenses and time to develop chemistry with the team and NEW offensive coordinator.
IF he continues you can gaurantee DA will be playing this year, if not and he progresses we MIGHT have our franchise QB.
this is the most sensible post I have seen on this subject...rather than calls for blind loyalty to someone I have deep reservations about
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The bigger problem is Braylon Edwards. That dude sucks balls and is intentionally trying to make Quinn look bad. Braylon is a cake eater and a d-bag
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The bigger problem is Braylon Edwards. That dude sucks balls and is intentionally trying to make Quinn look bad. Braylon is a cake eater and a d-bag
The bigger problem is Braylon Edwards. That dude sucks balls and is intentionally trying to make Quinn look bad. Braylon is a cake eater and a d-bag
Yep. That's exactly what Braylon is doing. Trying to make Quinn look bad while simultaneously making himself look bad, and in a contract year too. The nerve of that guy.
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The bigger problem is Braylon Edwards. That dude sucks balls and is intentionally trying to make Quinn look bad. Braylon is a cake eater and a d-bag
Yep. That's exactly what Braylon is doing. Trying to make Quinn look bad while simultaneously making himself look bad, and in a contract year too. The nerve of that guy.
Yep. That's exactly what Braylon is doing. Trying to make Quinn look bad while simultaneously making himself look bad, and in a contract year too. The nerve of that guy.
You can make an argument that he isn't trying to intentionally kill Quinn but nobody can make an case for him not sucking shit. That ship has sailed... He had a chance to be a great receiver and dropped the ball
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For what it's worth, Reggie Rucker was just on WKNR talking about the Quinn pick. Reggie stated that the INT was squarely on BE. To paraphrase, Reggie said the sight adjustment against the coverage was the route that Quinn threw expecting BE to run and the correct one. BE adjusted his route again after the snap, which is a no no. While as some have said, the inside could have been 6, that isn't seen presnap and you can't adjust to that route after the snap. The reason is because the presnap read (the route Quinn expected BE to be running) requires the ball to be out before that inside read BE ran can be seen. Quinn is already letting the ball go by the time BE makes that move inside.
That was Reggie's take, for what it's worth.
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For what it's worth, Reggie Rucker was just on WKNR talking about the Quinn pick. Reggie stated that the INT was squarely on BE. To paraphrase, Reggie said the sight adjustment against the coverage was the route that Quinn threw expecting BE to run and the correct one. BE adjusted his route again after the snap, which is a no no. While as some have said, the inside could have been 6, that isn't seen presnap and you can't adjust to that route after the snap. The reason is because the presnap read (the route Quinn expected BE to be running) requires the ball to be out before that inside read BE ran can be seen. Quinn is already letting the ball go by the time BE makes that move inside.
That was Reggie's take, for what it's worth.
Masters said:
For what it's worth, Reggie Rucker was just on WKNR talking about the Quinn pick. Reggie stated that the INT was squarely on BE. To paraphrase, Reggie said the sight adjustment against the coverage was the route that Quinn threw expecting BE to run and the correct one. BE adjusted his route again after the snap, which is a no no. While as some have said, the inside could have been 6, that isn't seen presnap and you can't adjust to that route after the snap. The reason is because the presnap read (the route Quinn expected BE to be running) requires the ball to be out before that inside read BE ran can be seen. Quinn is already letting the ball go by the time BE makes that move inside.That was Reggie's take, for what it's worth.
no matter who's fault it was a pick is a pick...there are no asterisks next to the pick stats that say.."not the qb's fault...the receiver was responsible"
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Masters said:
For what it's worth, Reggie Rucker was just on WKNR talking about the Quinn pick. Reggie stated that the INT was squarely on BE. To paraphrase, Reggie said the sight adjustment against the coverage was the route that Quinn threw expecting BE to run and the correct one. BE adjusted his route again after the snap, which is a no no. While as some have said, the inside could have been 6, that isn't seen presnap and you can't adjust to that route after the snap. The reason is because the presnap read (the route Quinn expected BE to be running) requires the ball to be out before that inside read BE ran can be seen. Quinn is already letting the ball go by the time BE makes that move inside.That was Reggie's take, for what it's worth.
no matter who's fault it was a pick is a pick...there are no asterisks next to the pick stats that say.."not the qb's fault...the receiver was responsible"
no matter who's fault it was a pick is a pick...there are no asterisks next to the pick stats that say.."not the qb's fault...the receiver was responsible"
Yeah, and a vet like Delhomme threw 4 picks, next question?
This was his 4th career start vs one of the best defenses in the NFL people... Lets give the kid at least half a season before shitting on him.
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no matter who's fault it was a pick is a pick...there are no asterisks next to the pick stats that say.."not the qb's fault...the receiver was responsible"
Yeah, and a vet like Delhomme threw 4 picks, next question?
This was his 4th career start vs one of the best defenses in the NFL people... Lets give the kid at least half a season before shitting on him.
AdaM said:
Yeah, and a vet like Delhomme threw 4 picks, next question?This was his 4th career start vs one of the best defenses in the NFL people... Lets give the kid at least half a season before shitting on him.
I have no recollection of asking a question....I have said...give quinn 6 games worth of rope to hang himself..I think due to his play yesterday he now has about a foot of rope so far
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Can we close this thread please, its foundation is built on manure
Can we close this thread please, its foundation is built on manure
Sure, the foundation is built on manure, but the sentiment that Quinn looked like absolute dogshit yesterday is something I share.
Mechanics looked terrible, he looked skiddish (yes, the line was terrible so I don't blame him) and his arm did look weak. Don't know whether he or Daboll (pathetic playcalling, worse than Carthon) was to blame (I'd say both), but there is definitely cause for concern here.
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Can we close this thread please, its foundation is built on manure
Sure, the foundation is built on manure, but the sentiment that Quinn looked like absolute dogshit yesterday is something I share.
Mechanics looked terrible, he looked skiddish (yes, the line was terrible so I don't blame him) and his arm did look weak. Don't know whether he or Daboll (pathetic playcalling, worse than Carthon) was to blame (I'd say both), but there is definitely cause for concern here.
mz. said:
Sure, the foundation is built on manure, but the sentiment that Quinn looked like absolute dogshit yesterday is something I share.Mechanics looked terrible, he looked skiddish (yes, the line was terrible so I don't blame him) and his arm did look weak. Don't know whether he or Daboll (pathetic playcalling, worse than Carthon) was to blame (I'd say both), but there is definitely cause for concern here.
He looked Skiddish? Funny, I didn't know he was Jewish. I thought he was Irish.
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Can we close this thread please, its foundation is built on manure
Sure, the foundation is built on manure, but the sentiment that Quinn looked like absolute dogshit yesterday is something I share.
Mechanics looked terrible, he looked skiddish (yes, the line was terrible so I don't blame him) and his arm did look weak. Don't know whether he or Daboll (pathetic playcalling, worse than Carthon) was to blame (I'd say both), but there is definitely cause for concern here.
mz. said:
Sure, the foundation is built on manure, but the sentiment that Quinn looked like absolute dogshit yesterday is something I share.mz the pussy now is no time to fall of the BQ Fanwagon.
you make your bed, you lay in it.
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no matter who's fault it was a pick is a pick...there are no asterisks next to the pick stats that say.."not the qb's fault...the receiver was responsible"
Yeah, and a vet like Delhomme threw 4 picks, next question?
This was his 4th career start vs one of the best defenses in the NFL people... Lets give the kid at least half a season before shitting on him.
AdaM said:
Yeah, and a vet like Delhomme threw 4 picks, next question?This was his 4th career start vs one of the best defenses in the NFL people... Lets give the kid at least half a season before shitting on him.
Why? We (not me, but oh well) as fans didn't do that for DA.............Hell, we couldn't find the pitch forks and torches fast enough and kill our only QB in decades to make the pro-bowl. What's good for the goose, is good for the pretty boy.
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