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    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    grossi on depodesta part I.jpg

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      I've been convinced for years that Paul DePodesta has photos of Jimmy Haslam fellating a goat. 

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        hey just as long as everyone is happy 

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          The thing that I agree with here is the idea that the passing game is more valuable than the running game.  Unless you don't have a good one but have a good running game.

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            The thing that I agree with here is the idea that the passing game is more valuable than the running game.  Unless you don't have a good one but have a good running game.

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            @orion said:

            The thing that I agree with here is the idea that the passing game is more valuable than the running game.  Unless you don't have a good one but have a good running game.

            The problem is that this coaching staff and front office doesn't seem to take account the actual game as it is happening. 

            The Saints, for example, did Saturday. 

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              The thing that I agree with here is the idea that the passing game is more valuable than the running game.  Unless you don't have a good one but have a good running game.

              The problem is that this coaching staff and front office doesn't seem to take account the actual game as it is happening. 

              The Saints, for example, did Saturday. 

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              @dutch-oven said:

              The problem is that this coaching staff and front office doesn't seem to take account the actual game as it is happening.

              I thought the HC did take into account.  He tried like hell to run the ball.  31 times.  They just weren't able to run it down the field.  And, of course, on D we had nothing for their Wild Cat desperation.  As not great as our DT's are we are really into the depth chart at LB.  

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                Now, to the gorilla in the room.   DePodesta runs the operation and Haslam cheers him on and paves the way.   We don't need no stinking 4 yard runs.

                Perhaps we haven't been giving Stef enough credit?!   He's been managing the game and running the team with both DePodesta and Haslam wanting to be coach.

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                  Now, to the gorilla in the room.   DePodesta runs the operation and Haslam cheers him on and paves the way.   We don't need no stinking 4 yard runs.

                  Perhaps we haven't been giving Stef enough credit?!   He's been managing the game and running the team with both DePodesta and Haslam wanting to be coach.

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                  @orion said:

                  Now, to the gorilla in the room.   DePodesta runs the operation and Haslam cheers him on and paves the way.   We don't need no stinking 4 yard runs.

                  Perhaps we haven't been giving Stef enough credit?!   He's been managing the game and running the team with both DePodesta and Haslam wanting to be coach.

                  Hence why I said on the other thread that firing Stefanski by himself accomplishes nothing. (And why Flugels has been beating this drum for weeks)

                  I don't need Bill Cowher. I don't need some meat head coach frothing at the mouth and punching players on the sideline. Want I want is an organization from the top down that hold themselves and their players accountable, that creates a culture of pride in playing football instead of just collecting a paycheck, and uses common sense.

                  Throwing the ball 15 yards downfield on a day that the windchill was -15 in 30mph winds is not common sense.

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                    Now, to the gorilla in the room.   DePodesta runs the operation and Haslam cheers him on and paves the way.   We don't need no stinking 4 yard runs.

                    Perhaps we haven't been giving Stef enough credit?!   He's been managing the game and running the team with both DePodesta and Haslam wanting to be coach.

                    Hence why I said on the other thread that firing Stefanski by himself accomplishes nothing. (And why Flugels has been beating this drum for weeks)

                    I don't need Bill Cowher. I don't need some meat head coach frothing at the mouth and punching players on the sideline. Want I want is an organization from the top down that hold themselves and their players accountable, that creates a culture of pride in playing football instead of just collecting a paycheck, and uses common sense.

                    Throwing the ball 15 yards downfield on a day that the windchill was -15 in 30mph winds is not common sense.

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                    @dutch-oven said:

                    Throwing the ball 15 yards downfield on a day that the windchill was -15 in 30mph winds is not common sense.

                    The Patriots set passing records in blizzards.  

                    Stef might even be the best coach for this situation.  He's quite smart.  He's been able to navigate the waters and keep the analytic heads at bay with 4th down calls while not being totally nuts like I've seen many coaches doing.

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                      @dutch-oven said:

                      The problem is that this coaching staff and front office doesn't seem to take account the actual game as it is happening.

                      I thought the HC did take into account.  He tried like hell to run the ball.  31 times.  They just weren't able to run it down the field.  And, of course, on D we had nothing for their Wild Cat desperation.  As not great as our DT's are we are really into the depth chart at LB.  

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                      @orion said:

                      I thought the HC did take into account.  He tried like hell to run the ball.  31 times.  They just weren't able to run it down the field.  And, of course, on D we had nothing for their Wild Cat desperation.  As not great as our DT's are we are really into the depth chart at LB.  

                      Run plays 31 times but unimaginative plays, could've had more designed runs for Watson, Kareem and Chubb simultaneously on the field, direct snaps to RB etc.

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                        I thought the HC did take into account.  He tried like hell to run the ball.  31 times.  They just weren't able to run it down the field.  And, of course, on D we had nothing for their Wild Cat desperation.  As not great as our DT's are we are really into the depth chart at LB.  

                        Run plays 31 times but unimaginative plays, could've had more designed runs for Watson, Kareem and Chubb simultaneously on the field, direct snaps to RB etc.

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                        could've had more designed runs for Watson, Kareem and Chubb simultaneously on the field, direct snaps to RB etc.

                        okay, but me, I don't like my QB running with the ball unless he has to when a pass play breaks down or a running lane just happens to open up wide.  And I'm not a big fan of direct snaps.  It's not something they're at all accustomed to doing...and it pretty much tells the D what's coming.

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                          @dutch-oven said:

                          Throwing the ball 15 yards downfield on a day that the windchill was -15 in 30mph winds is not common sense.

                          The Patriots set passing records in blizzards.  

                          Stef might even be the best coach for this situation.  He's quite smart.  He's been able to navigate the waters and keep the analytic heads at bay with 4th down calls while not being totally nuts like I've seen many coaches doing.

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                          Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by Dutch Oven
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                          @orion said:

                          The Patriots set passing records in blizzards. 

                          Post them.

                          I want to see the passing records set in Patriots games with a -15 wind chill and winds from 25-40mph. 

                          Would you like me to post what the passing stats were in the Red Right 88 game again, with MVP Brian Sipe and 2 time Super Bowl champion Jim Plunkett? 

                          3rd and 2 and 4th and 2, in successive plays, throwing downfield in those conditions was not the smart play. 

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                            @orion said:

                            The Patriots set passing records in blizzards. 

                            Post them.

                            I want to see the passing records set in Patriots games with a -15 wind chill and winds from 25-40mph. 

                            Would you like me to post what the passing stats were in the Red Right 88 game again, with MVP Brian Sipe and 2 time Super Bowl champion Jim Plunkett? 

                            3rd and 2 and 4th and 2, in successive plays, throwing downfield in those conditions was not the smart play. 

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                            FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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                            @dutch-oven said:

                            Post them.

                            I want to see the passing records set in Patriots games with a -15 wind chill and winds from 25-40mph. 

                            Would you like me to post what the passing stats were in the Red Right 88 game again, with MVP Brian Sipe and 2 time Super Bowl champion Jim Plunkett? 

                            3rd and 2 and 4th and 2, in successive plays, throwing downfield in those conditions was not the smart play. 

                            It would be nice if the owner and FO guy he's leaning on knew this especially considering the climate in Cleveland/Lake Erie in late November through January.  If Depodesta doesn't get fired, we might as well hire Larry The Cable Guy as the next Head Coach to absorb all of the boos.

                            I thought I saw 1 windy/cold weather game the Patriots played in Buffalo where Belichick only let his young QB throw about 3 passes; and NE won as a result of that.   Another time I saw them play in bad weather, it was the controversial tuck rule game where Brady said he thought he fumbled the game away.  I don't know if it set a record; but I think someone should have contacted Ripley's Believe It or Not...

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                              Pats beat the Titans 59-0 in snow and wind.  Pats QB's 38-45 for 426 yards.   

                              Watson threw 2 beautiful passes to DPJ and Njoku at the end of that game.  

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                                Pats beat the Titans 59-0 in snow and wind.  Pats QB's 38-45 for 426 yards.   

                                Watson threw 2 beautiful passes to DPJ and Njoku at the end of that game.  

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                                Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                                @orion said:

                                Pats beat the Titans 59-0 in snow and wind.  Pats QB's 38-45 for 426 yards.   

                                Watson threw 2 beautiful passes to DPJ and Njoku at the end of that game.  

                                A relatively early season game in the snow is not a bitterly cold and windy game a week before January in Cleveland.

                                The second part is true. The first pass to DPJ was a gorgeous, on the run, across his body pass he perfectly placed in the back corner of the endzone that hit DPJ right in the hands. My one complaint I have of DPJ - that he sometimes allows the ball to play him instead of going and getting the ball - bit him there. The pass to Njoku was a rocket that Watson literally could not have walked to him and handed it to him any better. A perfect pass. 

                                That being said, Watson still was sitting at 50% for the game, and I thought he looked good considering the weather. In fact, a major question I've had regarding him was how he would handle the weather in late season games. From what I saw in the Baltimore and New Orleans games, two pretty nasty weather games, is that he's more than capable of handling the lakefront weather. That doesn't mean the Browns in cinrcumstances like that should be pass crazy.

                                Why you seem to back the direction the Browns are heading with this front office and coaching staff is beyond me. 

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                                  Dutch, I've watched countless snowy, windy Patriots games on TV with Brady at QB.  He was able to pass his team to victory every time.  

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                                    Dutch, I've watched countless snowy, windy Patriots games on TV with Brady at QB.  He was able to pass his team to victory every time.  

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                                    Dutch, I've watched countless snowy, windy Patriots games on TV with Brady at QB.  He was able to pass his team to victory every time.  

                                    Well enjoy that table of one at the "I'm Enjoying the Direction the Browns Braintrust Is Taking the Franchise" end of the season dinner. ?

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                                      hey just as long as everyone is happy 

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                                      @syd said:

                                      hey just as long as everyone is happy 

                                      As long as the goats don't talk 🙂 Or blame Watson for the transgressions 😉

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                                        Dutch, I've watched countless snowy, windy Patriots games on TV with Brady at QB.  He was able to pass his team to victory every time.  

                                        Well enjoy that table of one at the "I'm Enjoying the Direction the Browns Braintrust Is Taking the Franchise" end of the season dinner. ?

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                                        @dutch-oven said:

                                        Well enjoy that table of one at the "I'm Enjoying the Direction the Browns Braintrust Is Taking the Franchise" end of the season dinner. ?

                                        I'll have the steak tips.  🙂   

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                                          Look, I don't know what to say here.  Of course I don't like the losing.  But this team was not about this year.  We weren't gonna have our starting QB until the season was almost over.  Do I like that we're the 5th best running team in the league?  Absolutely.  Do I like that we're always 20 somethingth in passing.  Absolutely not!  I've always felt that passing is the most important part of the game.  Am I kinda' happy to hear that the brain-trust wants to be able to pass the ball?  Well, of course.

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