Tell me again why Browns Stadium shouldn't have roof
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I'd be glad to see a dome in Cleveland especially a retractable 1. With real grass. I hate spending a lot of money for assholes Jimmy and Dee. On the other hand I'd like to keep the Browns here if possible regardless of that dickhead and his wife. And what the hell if we can use the stadium for something else that's a plus.
WSS
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Thanks for the responses and thoughts.
My original thinking of this thread was for football home field advantage reasoning, with a caveat that money was no object (which, of course, it always is).
We have one person who hikes and climbs mountains like a billy-goat. Good luck filling a stadium with outdoor adventurers. Of course there's the stoned and sloshed bunch who'll have their shirts off. But, I'm talking normal, everyday, regular people (que Joe Walsh Ordinary Average Guy) who wants to go and enjoy watching his/her favorite football team. Key word, 'enjoy'. Yes, it won't be as enjoyable if the team gets beat as expected...but would more people go to late season games if they didn't have to endure being subjected to lousy weather for 4 or 5 hours? (rhetorical question)
Thanks for the responses and thoughts.
My original thinking of this thread was for football home field advantage reasoning, with a caveat that money was no object (which, of course, it always is).
We have one person who hikes and climbs mountains like a billy-goat. Good luck filling a stadium with outdoor adventurers. Of course there's the stoned and sloshed bunch who'll have their shirts off. But, I'm talking normal, everyday, regular people (que Joe Walsh Ordinary Average Guy) who wants to go and enjoy watching his/her favorite football team. Key word, 'enjoy'. Yes, it won't be as enjoyable if the team gets beat as expected...but would more people go to late season games if they didn't have to endure being subjected to lousy weather for 4 or 5 hours? (rhetorical question)
Yes.
In my 20s and 30s, I could easily endure going to a cold weather game off the lake. I also lived within a mile of Lake Ontario for 6 years. Now that I'm in my late 50s - the thought of going to see if players like Jedrick Wills, Jadeveon Clowney and John Johnson are interested in playing ball when it's too cold wouldn't even make sense with a crackpipe. They're not even interested when it isn't cold half the time. That would be like going to watch Fleetwood Mac back in the day if Stevie Nicks had laryngitis and Lindsey Buckingham had 3 teeth pulled. I'm sure Christie McVie would have been the ultimate professional like Nick Chubb trying to pick up the slack. But in the end, you paid for entertainment you didn't receive back. That kind of stuff plus frigid cold wind chills doesn't motivate middle class, middle aged and/or older fans of any socioeconomic status to come see games. The character of this team in the 80s would have brought me to the stadium regardless of the weather. For example, we drove in a snow storm from Rochester, NY to Cleveland to watch Clay Matthews intercept Jim Kelly to seal a playoff victory over Buffalo the last season Cleveland would make it to a Conference Championship game. Back then, I never had to worry about effort and passion from the players.
Once upon a time, the NFL didn't cater to Corporate America. It catered to blue collar cities and fan bases like Cleveland, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Philly, Green Bay, Chicago, Minnesota, Cincy and even Detroit. Today, Roger Goodell doesn't care about half those teams while he's marketing HIS product to other countries (with the TV Contract Monopoly escalating Shared Revenues of owners to all new heights). And the Cleveland Browns are a million miles and decades away from some of the entertainment our fan-base was treated to in the mid-late 40s through the 80s (and a season or 2 in the 90s). Some of our younger fans have never been able to experience what we have or what some of our fathers and grandfathers have with this team. And we expect them to go watch the Browns drop 3 passes in the end zone against the Saints on a day the wind chills are 15 below zero? Even worse, the ONLY offensive game plan that didn't understand the impact of the weather in that match-up was from the Browns.
I miss the blue collar football era because the Browns would have been very tough to beat counting on a true professional like Nick Chubb. Not only that, we would have had a FO that understood the value of IDL/DTs that could put a 220 lb ILB/MLB like Mike Johnson in 2 Pro Bowls, and give us the productive longevity of a guy like Clay Matthews here. The era has changed but the T-shirt full of QBs that failed in Cleveland since 99 is telling us now more than ever we need the right FO steering the ship. Since the Browns haven't been able to draft anything close to Bernie Kosar in the last 38 years and/or equip him with an OC like Lindy Infante; they could at least provide a pass friendlier climate with a roof over head.
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Thanks for the responses and thoughts.
My original thinking of this thread was for football home field advantage reasoning, with a caveat that money was no object (which, of course, it always is).
We have one person who hikes and climbs mountains like a billy-goat. Good luck filling a stadium with outdoor adventurers. Of course there's the stoned and sloshed bunch who'll have their shirts off. But, I'm talking normal, everyday, regular people (que Joe Walsh Ordinary Average Guy) who wants to go and enjoy watching his/her favorite football team. Key word, 'enjoy'. Yes, it won't be as enjoyable if the team gets beat as expected...but would more people go to late season games if they didn't have to endure being subjected to lousy weather for 4 or 5 hours? (rhetorical question)
Yes.
In my 20s and 30s, I could easily endure going to a cold weather game off the lake. I also lived within a mile of Lake Ontario for 6 years. Now that I'm in my late 50s - the thought of going to see if players like Jedrick Wills, Jadeveon Clowney and John Johnson are interested in playing ball when it's too cold wouldn't even make sense with a crackpipe. They're not even interested when it isn't cold half the time. That would be like going to watch Fleetwood Mac back in the day if Stevie Nicks had laryngitis and Lindsey Buckingham had 3 teeth pulled. I'm sure Christie McVie would have been the ultimate professional like Nick Chubb trying to pick up the slack. But in the end, you paid for entertainment you didn't receive back. That kind of stuff plus frigid cold wind chills doesn't motivate middle class, middle aged and/or older fans of any socioeconomic status to come see games. The character of this team in the 80s would have brought me to the stadium regardless of the weather. For example, we drove in a snow storm from Rochester, NY to Cleveland to watch Clay Matthews intercept Jim Kelly to seal a playoff victory over Buffalo the last season Cleveland would make it to a Conference Championship game. Back then, I never had to worry about effort and passion from the players.
Once upon a time, the NFL didn't cater to Corporate America. It catered to blue collar cities and fan bases like Cleveland, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Philly, Green Bay, Chicago, Minnesota, Cincy and even Detroit. Today, Roger Goodell doesn't care about half those teams while he's marketing HIS product to other countries (with the TV Contract Monopoly escalating Shared Revenues of owners to all new heights). And the Cleveland Browns are a million miles and decades away from some of the entertainment our fan-base was treated to in the mid-late 40s through the 80s (and a season or 2 in the 90s). Some of our younger fans have never been able to experience what we have or what some of our fathers and grandfathers have with this team. And we expect them to go watch the Browns drop 3 passes in the end zone against the Saints on a day the wind chills are 15 below zero? Even worse, the ONLY offensive game plan that didn't understand the impact of the weather in that match-up was from the Browns.
I miss the blue collar football era because the Browns would have been very tough to beat counting on a true professional like Nick Chubb. Not only that, we would have had a FO that understood the value of IDL/DTs that could put a 220 lb ILB/MLB like Mike Johnson in 2 Pro Bowls, and give us the productive longevity of a guy like Clay Matthews here. The era has changed but the T-shirt full of QBs that failed in Cleveland since 99 is telling us now more than ever we need the right FO steering the ship. Since the Browns haven't been able to draft anything close to Bernie Kosar in the last 38 years and/or equip him with an OC like Lindy Infante; they could at least provide a pass friendlier climate with a roof over head.
In my 20s and 30s, I could easily endure going to a cold weather game off the lake. I also lived within a mile of Lake Ontario for 6 years. Now that I'm in my late 50s -
Right. Most mid 50's on up are pretty much done with cold and lousy weather games.
a FO that understood the value of IDL/DTs that could put a 220 lb ILB/MLB like Mike Johnson in 2 Pro Bowls
He's one of my all time favorite Browns players.
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Zombo said:
Sofi doesn't count. 3 in 23 years is not impressive.
This year two dome teams made the playoffs - Seattle
Hawks don't play in a dome. In fact, it's not even fully enclosed. Room just extends a bit further out to help shield some of the rain.
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In my 20s and 30s, I could easily endure going to a cold weather game off the lake. I also lived within a mile of Lake Ontario for 6 years. Now that I'm in my late 50s -
Right. Most mid 50's on up are pretty much done with cold and lousy weather games.
a FO that understood the value of IDL/DTs that could put a 220 lb ILB/MLB like Mike Johnson in 2 Pro Bowls
He's one of my all time favorite Browns players.
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I've said it before, I fear another move. Funding is a true potential problem, and one other thing is the continued losing is killing a fan base. If you're under 30/35. years old you've seen nothing but sadness, except a season or 3.
Where would they move? Who would want them there? Unless they plan on opening up an entirely new market like iowa or maine or nebraska i just dont see a lot of landing spots.
Where would they move? Who would want them there? Unless they plan on opening up an entirely new market like iowa or maine or nebraska i just dont see a lot of landing spots.
Don't kid yourself. There are several markets who would love and support a NFL team. Memphis, Birmingham, Oklahoma City, Salt lake City are a few that come to mind. You could probably stick another team in to each of Texas, California, and Florida.
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In my 20s and 30s, I could easily endure going to a cold weather game off the lake. I also lived within a mile of Lake Ontario for 6 years. Now that I'm in my late 50s -
Right. Most mid 50's on up are pretty much done with cold and lousy weather games.
a FO that understood the value of IDL/DTs that could put a 220 lb ILB/MLB like Mike Johnson in 2 Pro Bowls
He's one of my all time favorite Browns players.
Right. Most mid 50's on up are pretty much done with cold and lousy weather games.
That is why I moved from my original seats to club seats. I wanted a place to go before the game to warm up, then at halftime.
Hockey is the only game meant to be played in frozen conditions, and guess what...even they play indoors.
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Eddie (Assassin) and Mike Johnson's both kicked ass...
There was a lot of great LBer play brought to us by Johnson and Johnson! We also had another one of my all time defensive faves Clay Matthews.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
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Zombo said:
Football is meant to be played outdoors, on grass, in the elements.
Fans that wish to watch their their hometown team play live can purchase tickets in heated/ air-conditioned boxes, or dress appropriately and face the elements that their city lives in.
Any other answer is homosexual in nature.
There are no dome teams left with a month to go because domes tend to pussify teams.
Z
Yea, kinda like living in Florida tends to pussify the fans
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There was a lot of great LBer play brought to us by Johnson and Johnson! We also had another one of my all time defensive faves Clay Matthews.
I'm sure you remember Clarence Scott. He was another defensive player that was one of my favorites.
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and Jerry Sherk....
this is a great article on him and Walter Johnson...
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Zombo said:
Football is meant to be played outdoors, on grass, in the elements.
Fans that wish to watch their their hometown team play live can purchase tickets in heated/ air-conditioned boxes, or dress appropriately and face the elements that their city lives in.
Any other answer is homosexual in nature.
There are no dome teams left with a month to go because domes tend to pussify teams.
Z
Yea, kinda like living in Florida tends to pussify the fans
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Look Bowie! You got the song wrong. It's a Stones song. StarFuckaStar FuckaStar FuckaStar FuckaStar
...and I'm not saying dome, I'm saying roof. It can be retractable. I tell ya what, perhaps they can construct it such that certain sections can be glassed off from the rest of the stadium thus allowing climate conditions in that section such as pouring rain or severely cold temperatures with snow so that you and Zombo can sit there.
Look Bowie! You got the song wrong. It's a Stones song. StarFuckaStar FuckaStar FuckaStar FuckaStar
...and I'm not saying dome, I'm saying roof. It can be retractable. I tell ya what, perhaps they can construct it such that certain sections can be glassed off from the rest of the stadium thus allowing climate conditions in that section such as pouring rain or severely cold temperatures with snow so that you and Zombo can sit there.
Retractable? Look no farther than Lucas Oil... Yeah, It's really nice, been there several times, and will visit again when the Browns play the Colts later this year. They can even open the huge "window" behind one of the end zones, without retracting the roof... BUT 1) the field is turf, not natural grass and 2) They are complete wimps to not open the roof... I've seen Colts games where it's 70 degrees and sunny outside, and the roof is closed.
There are four teams that played in domes that have four Super Bowl's since the start of the 21'st century.
My comments, and there's several things in common...
the 2000 St Louis Rams Greatest show on turf HOF QB Kurt Warner
the 2007 Indianapolis Colts HOF QB Peyton Manning Lucas Oil is "The House that Peyton Built".
the 2010 New Orleans Saints HOF QB Drew Brees
and the 2022 Los Angeles Rams. As Z mentioned covered, SoFy is covered, but it's open air So Cal weather. The Rams mortgaged their future for their one big SB win. & the Lions thank them for the #6 pick due to their epic post SB collapse.
Four Super Bowl wins with seven overall Super Bowl appearances with the others being the Falcons and Rams both losing to New England. So playing in a dome or a stadium that has a roof isn't so bad after all.
My comments, and there's several things in common...
the 2000 St Louis Rams Greatest show on turf HOF QB Kurt Warner
the 2007 Indianapolis Colts HOF QB Peyton Manning Lucas Oil is "The House that Peyton Built".
the 2010 New Orleans Saints HOF QB Drew Brees
and the 2022 Los Angeles Rams. As Z mentioned covered, SoFy is covered, but it's open air So Cal weather. The Rams mortgaged their future for their one big SB win. & the Lions thank them for the #6 pick due to their epic post SB collapse.
But it doesn't help much when a Dome team has to go on the road. Doesn't help much either even playing at home, just ask the Vikings whose luck ran out.
BTW, Cincinnati's weather isn't that much worse than Cleveland's, and they'll NEVER have a dome... Hell- Skinflint Mike Brown won't even spring for an indoor practice facility. Then again there's Buffalo.. FWIW, tickets on the secondary market for the playoff game this Sunday are starting at around $250 bucks.
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Look Bowie! You got the song wrong. It's a Stones song. StarFuckaStar FuckaStar FuckaStar FuckaStar
...and I'm not saying dome, I'm saying roof. It can be retractable. I tell ya what, perhaps they can construct it such that certain sections can be glassed off from the rest of the stadium thus allowing climate conditions in that section such as pouring rain or severely cold temperatures with snow so that you and Zombo can sit there.
Retractable? Look no farther than Lucas Oil... Yeah, It's really nice, been there several times, and will visit again when the Browns play the Colts later this year. They can even open the huge "window" behind one of the end zones, without retracting the roof... BUT 1) the field is turf, not natural grass and 2) They are complete wimps to not open the roof... I've seen Colts games where it's 70 degrees and sunny outside, and the roof is closed.
There are four teams that played in domes that have four Super Bowl's since the start of the 21'st century.
My comments, and there's several things in common...
the 2000 St Louis Rams Greatest show on turf HOF QB Kurt Warner
the 2007 Indianapolis Colts HOF QB Peyton Manning Lucas Oil is "The House that Peyton Built".
the 2010 New Orleans Saints HOF QB Drew Brees
and the 2022 Los Angeles Rams. As Z mentioned covered, SoFy is covered, but it's open air So Cal weather. The Rams mortgaged their future for their one big SB win. & the Lions thank them for the #6 pick due to their epic post SB collapse.
Four Super Bowl wins with seven overall Super Bowl appearances with the others being the Falcons and Rams both losing to New England. So playing in a dome or a stadium that has a roof isn't so bad after all.
My comments, and there's several things in common...
the 2000 St Louis Rams Greatest show on turf HOF QB Kurt Warner
the 2007 Indianapolis Colts HOF QB Peyton Manning Lucas Oil is "The House that Peyton Built".
the 2010 New Orleans Saints HOF QB Drew Brees
and the 2022 Los Angeles Rams. As Z mentioned covered, SoFy is covered, but it's open air So Cal weather. The Rams mortgaged their future for their one big SB win. & the Lions thank them for the #6 pick due to their epic post SB collapse.
But it doesn't help much when a Dome team has to go on the road. Doesn't help much either even playing at home, just ask the Vikings whose luck ran out.
BTW, Cincinnati's weather isn't that much worse than Cleveland's, and they'll NEVER have a dome... Hell- Skinflint Mike Brown won't even spring for an indoor practice facility. Then again there's Buffalo.. FWIW, tickets on the secondary market for the playoff game this Sunday are starting at around $250 bucks.
BTW, Cincinnati's weather isn't that much worse than Cleveland's, and they'll NEVER have a dome... Hell- Skinflint Mike Brown won't even spring for an indoor practice facility. Then again there's Buffalo.. FWIW, tickets on the secondary market for the playoff game this Sunday are starting at around $250 bucks.
I dunno....you can't play golf up here in NE Ohio from Nov-March, while you can down there
Regarding this weekend's game, I rarely root for the BenGals but will do so this time. I think it's utter BS that if Buffalo plays KC, KC loses the home field & it's played in Atlanta (potentially, of course).
Tragedy aside, the NFL moving (potentially) 2 Bills games vs outdoor teams to domed stadiums breeds the look of favoritism.
Karlis Missed -
Look Bowie! You got the song wrong. It's a Stones song. StarFuckaStar FuckaStar FuckaStar FuckaStar
...and I'm not saying dome, I'm saying roof. It can be retractable. I tell ya what, perhaps they can construct it such that certain sections can be glassed off from the rest of the stadium thus allowing climate conditions in that section such as pouring rain or severely cold temperatures with snow so that you and Zombo can sit there.
Retractable? Look no farther than Lucas Oil... Yeah, It's really nice, been there several times, and will visit again when the Browns play the Colts later this year. They can even open the huge "window" behind one of the end zones, without retracting the roof... BUT 1) the field is turf, not natural grass and 2) They are complete wimps to not open the roof... I've seen Colts games where it's 70 degrees and sunny outside, and the roof is closed.
There are four teams that played in domes that have four Super Bowl's since the start of the 21'st century.
My comments, and there's several things in common...
the 2000 St Louis Rams Greatest show on turf HOF QB Kurt Warner
the 2007 Indianapolis Colts HOF QB Peyton Manning Lucas Oil is "The House that Peyton Built".
the 2010 New Orleans Saints HOF QB Drew Brees
and the 2022 Los Angeles Rams. As Z mentioned covered, SoFy is covered, but it's open air So Cal weather. The Rams mortgaged their future for their one big SB win. & the Lions thank them for the #6 pick due to their epic post SB collapse.
Four Super Bowl wins with seven overall Super Bowl appearances with the others being the Falcons and Rams both losing to New England. So playing in a dome or a stadium that has a roof isn't so bad after all.
My comments, and there's several things in common...
the 2000 St Louis Rams Greatest show on turf HOF QB Kurt Warner
the 2007 Indianapolis Colts HOF QB Peyton Manning Lucas Oil is "The House that Peyton Built".
the 2010 New Orleans Saints HOF QB Drew Brees
and the 2022 Los Angeles Rams. As Z mentioned covered, SoFy is covered, but it's open air So Cal weather. The Rams mortgaged their future for their one big SB win. & the Lions thank them for the #6 pick due to their epic post SB collapse.
But it doesn't help much when a Dome team has to go on the road. Doesn't help much either even playing at home, just ask the Vikings whose luck ran out.
BTW, Cincinnati's weather isn't that much worse than Cleveland's, and they'll NEVER have a dome... Hell- Skinflint Mike Brown won't even spring for an indoor practice facility. Then again there's Buffalo.. FWIW, tickets on the secondary market for the playoff game this Sunday are starting at around $250 bucks.
Retractable? Look no farther than Lucas Oil... Yeah, It's really nice, been there several times, and will visit again when the Browns play the Colts later this year. They can even open the huge "window" behind one of the end zones, without retracting the roof... BUT 1) the field is turf, not natural grass and 2) They are complete wimps to not open the roof... I've seen Colts games where it's 70 degrees and sunny outside, and the roof is closed.
My comments, and there's several things in common...
the 2000 St Louis Rams Greatest show on turf HOF QB Kurt Warner
the 2007 Indianapolis Colts HOF QB Peyton Manning Lucas Oil is "The House that Peyton Built".
the 2010 New Orleans Saints HOF QB Drew Brees
and the 2022 Los Angeles Rams. As Z mentioned covered, SoFy is covered, but it's open air So Cal weather. The Rams mortgaged their future for their one big SB win. & the Lions thank them for the #6 pick due to their epic post SB collapse.
But it doesn't help much when a Dome team has to go on the road. Doesn't help much either even playing at home, just ask the Vikings whose luck ran out.
BTW, Cincinnati's weather isn't that much worse than Cleveland's, and they'll NEVER have a dome... Hell- Skinflint Mike Brown won't even spring for an indoor practice facility. Then again there's Buffalo.. FWIW, tickets on the secondary market for the playoff game this Sunday are starting at around $250 bucks.
We're forgetting the Dallas Cowboys that have 5 superbowls and they played in a dome. They had HOF QB's Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman. Kind of the point I was trying to make. It's more about the quality of roster than type of stadium. Teams that play in domes can win Super Bowls. I just think it would make more sense to have a stadium that they can choose to have the roof open or closed. And as others said, it can be used all year round.
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Retractable? Look no farther than Lucas Oil... Yeah, It's really nice, been there several times, and will visit again when the Browns play the Colts later this year. They can even open the huge "window" behind one of the end zones, without retracting the roof... BUT 1) the field is turf, not natural grass and 2) They are complete wimps to not open the roof... I've seen Colts games where it's 70 degrees and sunny outside, and the roof is closed.
My comments, and there's several things in common...
the 2000 St Louis Rams Greatest show on turf HOF QB Kurt Warner
the 2007 Indianapolis Colts HOF QB Peyton Manning Lucas Oil is "The House that Peyton Built".
the 2010 New Orleans Saints HOF QB Drew Brees
and the 2022 Los Angeles Rams. As Z mentioned covered, SoFy is covered, but it's open air So Cal weather. The Rams mortgaged their future for their one big SB win. & the Lions thank them for the #6 pick due to their epic post SB collapse.
But it doesn't help much when a Dome team has to go on the road. Doesn't help much either even playing at home, just ask the Vikings whose luck ran out.
BTW, Cincinnati's weather isn't that much worse than Cleveland's, and they'll NEVER have a dome... Hell- Skinflint Mike Brown won't even spring for an indoor practice facility. Then again there's Buffalo.. FWIW, tickets on the secondary market for the playoff game this Sunday are starting at around $250 bucks.
We're forgetting the Dallas Cowboys that have 5 superbowls and they played in a dome. They had HOF QB's Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman. Kind of the point I was trying to make. It's more about the quality of roster than type of stadium. Teams that play in domes can win Super Bowls. I just think it would make more sense to have a stadium that they can choose to have the roof open or closed. And as others said, it can be used all year round.
We're forgetting the Dallas Cowboys that have 5 superbowls and they played in a dome. They had HOF QB's Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman. Kind of the point I was trying to make. It's more about the quality of roster than type of stadium. Teams that play in domes can win Super Bowls. I just think it would make more sense to have a stadium that they can choose to have the roof open or closed. And as others said, it can be used all year round.
The former home of the Cowboya, when they won those Super Bowls, was not a dome.
It was almost a dome, but had a hole above the field in the roof.
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We're forgetting the Dallas Cowboys that have 5 superbowls and they played in a dome. They had HOF QB's Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman. Kind of the point I was trying to make. It's more about the quality of roster than type of stadium. Teams that play in domes can win Super Bowls. I just think it would make more sense to have a stadium that they can choose to have the roof open or closed. And as others said, it can be used all year round.
The former home of the Cowboya, when they won those Super Bowls, was not a dome.
It was almost a dome, but had a hole above the field in the roof.
The former home of the Cowboya, when they won those Super Bowls, was not a dome.
It was almost a dome, but had a hole above the field in the roof.
Like their electrical grid in Texas, "almost pretty good"??
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We're forgetting the Dallas Cowboys that have 5 superbowls and they played in a dome. They had HOF QB's Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman. Kind of the point I was trying to make. It's more about the quality of roster than type of stadium. Teams that play in domes can win Super Bowls. I just think it would make more sense to have a stadium that they can choose to have the roof open or closed. And as others said, it can be used all year round.
The former home of the Cowboya, when they won those Super Bowls, was not a dome.
It was almost a dome, but had a hole above the field in the roof.
The former home of the Cowboys, when they won those Super Bowls, was not a dome.
It was almost a dome, but had a hole above the field in the roof.
Sort of mean, but I used to say the reason why there was the hole in the roof of Texas Stadium... It was the only way they could get Dion Sander's ego inside the building.
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