Manning vs Manning vs Quinn
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hey Ocon, what you really want is for DA to be shipped outta town pronto, then your BF has less of a threat waiting on the bench to replace him..the Browns would be fools to get rid of DA now...you can make all the comparisons with other qb's ya want..it doesn't mean shit...all that means anything is the numbers in the win/lose column..Quinn reminded me a lot of Russel ,both have accuracy problems.
It's true I don't want to go back to DA. I've made no secret about it.
I just find it interesting many of the same people who feel Quinn should produce now in a "what have you done for me lately" league want to site DA's '07 performance of yester-year as a reason to go back to him.
I do want to stick with Quinn as long as progress is seen, even it it isn't rapid progress. Not sure I have the patience for baby-steps. If he goes from two turnovers to 3-4-5 and starts that DA level of ball protection, I'm not for either, BFF or not.
It's true I don't want to go back to DA. I've made no secret about it.
Doesn't matter what you want. Anderson is the alternative.
And Quinn won't get endless games to try and have a good one some day.
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cmac, it's not simply the amount of DA's TO's it's the TIMING of them. He repeatedly showed NO ability to understand game situations and adjust accordingly.
The guy simply only ever drives at one speed, so to speak, regardless of the traffic situation.
Sometimes he gets the team home safe and other times it's a car wreck.
That's the issue with DA.
Sometimes he gets the team home safe and other times it's a car wreck.
I agree, with Anderson there is an opportunity to win every game, and you don't know what's gonna happen.
Quinn doesn't bring that kind of anxiety to games.
In his games the offense is simply so inept that the fans go home in the 3rd qtr.
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@jadbf said:
And two straight coaching staffs decided they had enough of Anderson's "excitement" and decided for all his "ineptitude" Quinn was the better guy to start.Harsh isn't it?
Yet both coaching staffs were fired, just last season.
Another harsh reality.
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i expect more out of a first rounder then.....like, much more than the 6th rounder. perhaps thats the reason for the short leash....for 2 years, we've been hearing how good quinn is, about how awesome his short throws and accuracy are.
ill be waiting to see it when if happens.
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I'd rather we give it to Cribbs. If Queen is that bad, we know Anderception is that bad - might as well give it to #16.
yeah, won't happen
If Quinn continues to play like shit, it'll be Anderson
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Zombo said:
Bull Phucken Shit.
He deserves ... we have to ...
No, no, no.
He needs to win and prove he deserves to be starting now.
Anderson put up 3,700 yards, 29 TDs and 10 wins his first year as a starter.
He was a sixth round pick, two training camps, four emergency starts, one year in the system, new offensive coordinator, taking over a team that was 4-13 and going 10-5 with them.
There is no good argument that Quinn needs to be babyfed or that we have to endure two more seasons of suckage because for some reason "we have to".
I thought Quinn won the job because the coaching staff decided he was better. Right here. Right now. That is what I fully expect. If you are telling me that Quinn is a two-year project that we must suffer with instead of having a better chance of winning games right now with Anderson ... then I am telling you that you are dead wrong.
I'm not giving up on Quinn. I'm saying I'm very disappointed and his window of opportunity just shrunk.
This was the guy that was the most "NFL-ready" QB prospect of his class. I'm sitting here three years later watching him dink around and play Keystone Kops while the only guy that has given me any hope at the position over the past decade dutifully backs him up.
Quinn needs to come out this week, win a football game, take command of the offense and put this shit to bed. It's in his hands.
Zombo
You can't even be right about your own team....
In case you haven't watched, or you don't get it (which is obvious), the problem with Anderson is he simply does not have the mental part of the game down. You love to focus on the 2007 season -- he had great stats. Whoop Dee Doo. The NFL has a long history of one year wonders who had great stats....and his were built up due to an incredibly easy schedule.
But when the rubber meets the road, when the pressure ever hit, he cannot rise to the occasion. In fact, he falters. He had the Steelers on the ropes in 07....and the whole second half he choked. He had the opportunity to reach the playoffs that year by beating a mediocre Cincy team....and he choked.
You have close to two years on the book of Derek Anderson and you know what you have. It's not going to work.
So you let a young guy go out and see what he has. Smart teams don't have quick hooks, they let players work out through difficult times and test what they have. Anderson got his opportunity and didn't make the most of it. If you had any clue, you would get that.
But as always, you are clueless.
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Zombo said:
Bull Phucken Shit.
He deserves ... we have to ...
No, no, no.
He needs to win and prove he deserves to be starting now.
Anderson put up 3,700 yards, 29 TDs and 10 wins his first year as a starter.
He was a sixth round pick, two training camps, four emergency starts, one year in the system, new offensive coordinator, taking over a team that was 4-13 and going 10-5 with them.
There is no good argument that Quinn needs to be babyfed or that we have to endure two more seasons of suckage because for some reason "we have to".
I thought Quinn won the job because the coaching staff decided he was better. Right here. Right now. That is what I fully expect. If you are telling me that Quinn is a two-year project that we must suffer with instead of having a better chance of winning games right now with Anderson ... then I am telling you that you are dead wrong.
I'm not giving up on Quinn. I'm saying I'm very disappointed and his window of opportunity just shrunk.
This was the guy that was the most "NFL-ready" QB prospect of his class. I'm sitting here three years later watching him dink around and play Keystone Kops while the only guy that has given me any hope at the position over the past decade dutifully backs him up.
Quinn needs to come out this week, win a football game, take command of the offense and put this shit to bed. It's in his hands.
Zombo
You can't even be right about your own team....
In case you haven't watched, or you don't get it (which is obvious), the problem with Anderson is he simply does not have the mental part of the game down. You love to focus on the 2007 season -- he had great stats. Whoop Dee Doo. The NFL has a long history of one year wonders who had great stats....and his were built up due to an incredibly easy schedule.
But when the rubber meets the road, when the pressure ever hit, he cannot rise to the occasion. In fact, he falters. He had the Steelers on the ropes in 07....and the whole second half he choked. He had the opportunity to reach the playoffs that year by beating a mediocre Cincy team....and he choked.
You have close to two years on the book of Derek Anderson and you know what you have. It's not going to work.
So you let a young guy go out and see what he has. Smart teams don't have quick hooks, they let players work out through difficult times and test what they have. Anderson got his opportunity and didn't make the most of it. If you had any clue, you would get that.
But as always, you are clueless.
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Zombo said:
Mankock is not married to himProbably but I don't rule that out with Lerner and his history of pulling strings in the background.
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Zombo said:
Quinn has a very capable backup with a stronger arm and a 10-win Pro Bowl season on his resume.Zombo[/b][/color]
Not to hijack my own thread, but is anyone else surprised DA wasn't even mentioned regarding the Delhomme and McNabb situations? I guess Feeley is perceived to be better despite his lack of Pro Bowls and 10-win seasons.
Not to hijack my own thread, but is anyone else surprised DA wasn't even mentioned regarding the Delhomme and McNabb situations? I guess Feeley is perceived to be better despite his lack of Pro Bowls and 10-win seasons.
Or cheaper, or less cost.
Our last game makes DA more valuable to us...the better Brady plays, the more expendable DA becomes. The worse BQ plays, DA becomes more important to the team.
It isn't hard to understand.
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Zombo said:
Bull Phucken Shit.
He deserves ... we have to ...
No, no, no.
He needs to win and prove he deserves to be starting now.
Anderson put up 3,700 yards, 29 TDs and 10 wins his first year as a starter.
He was a sixth round pick, two training camps, four emergency starts, one year in the system, new offensive coordinator, taking over a team that was 4-13 and going 10-5 with them.
There is no good argument that Quinn needs to be babyfed or that we have to endure two more seasons of suckage because for some reason "we have to".
I thought Quinn won the job because the coaching staff decided he was better. Right here. Right now. That is what I fully expect. If you are telling me that Quinn is a two-year project that we must suffer with instead of having a better chance of winning games right now with Anderson ... then I am telling you that you are dead wrong.
I'm not giving up on Quinn. I'm saying I'm very disappointed and his window of opportunity just shrunk.
This was the guy that was the most "NFL-ready" QB prospect of his class. I'm sitting here three years later watching him dink around and play Keystone Kops while the only guy that has given me any hope at the position over the past decade dutifully backs him up.
Quinn needs to come out this week, win a football game, take command of the offense and put this shit to bed. It's in his hands.
Zombo
DAT'S WHA i'M TALKIN BOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...RIGHT ON THE BUTTON!!!!
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@danamal said:
Listen gimp,All you have ever talked about is your DA love crush,he's on the bench for the year get used to it.
Luv Crush???
All I'm reading this week on this board is the excuses thrown out there for BQ....and I think it's comical to read every reason as to why BQ didn't look any good on Sunday...OK I'll give him his shot....and I hiope he does win...very soon. but the argument is this...don't come out with this we need to invest years into a young guy....look at Ryan and Flacco., and even Sanchez for that matter... 1st and 2nd year guys with big arms and winning.....you want to say they have a defense...I'm on board with that...they get stops for their QB...this Browns D is pathetic...and the classic bitch slap from AP on that 64 yard run was ridiculous...do you think Palamalu would have gotten that?......So please just stop with the excuses for BQ...he's a grown dude, and should step up right now...if he lay's another egg this week...and I mean a big egg....he should gte a short leach from Mangini....
I'll give your boy his chance,...but I don't have to like seeing passes thrown backwards...???/a true Garo moment...
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@jadbf said:
I wonder how many people who are now making all these cute Garo Yepremian jokes actually had any clue he was a football player before this?"I KEEK A TOUCHDOWN!" -Garo Yepremian
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Zombo, what im trying to get across is that the Giants did it right, but we have been spoiled lately in this league with the likes of Matt Ryan, Tom Brady, Joe Flacco, and Big Gay Ben that we have lost all of our patience.
What im trying to say is that Brady could have a HUGE ceiling, and I'd hate to throw that away because we would like to be impatient and say win not or your on the bench. Thats not a very encouraging environment, thats scary. With that thinking how is Quinn going to perfect his deep ball? He's gonna be afraid to throw it because he'll get benched if its a pick. We must stay the course and develop Quinn, he is our first round Draft pick QB who broke Joe Montana's records in college, Im pretty sure that he can do something in this league if we give hime a chance.
Another problem I have with your logic Zombo is that this who offseason period you have failed to see the difference from practice and the game, pre-season and practice dont mean shit. You wanted oone of them to "EARN the job, grab it" but that in my opinion cant happen in practice or pre season games, the only way you can truely see what someone has is during the actual NFL season, because there are players who are quite shitty in practice, that put up big numbers on game day. The only thing you can take from practice is how they do in a simulated repetitive environment, and how hard they work. And if were talkin about work ethic which QB went up and "grabbed it?" The QB that will start for us this sunday
Grab some faith and patience and Ill see you at the superbowl 2 years from now with Quinn under center...
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I wondered to what degree some of you put on the worth of practice and training camp sessions, I'm starting to see not much.
On the other hand, I think there are those of us that noticed that Quinn didn't exactly step up in these practice routines and has been pretty vanila in his limited game experience.
Asking someone to wait (years?) on a guy who really hasn't shown much ...err... pizazz(?) at this position and at this level is a bit much, IMO.
I my self believe that Anderson has shown ... err .. pizazz. Has he been erratic such as young players often are? Yes. Have I called for him to be replaced at times? Yes.
I'd like to see what both have. I wouldn't be against seeing them platoon ... they are so different that it might be a strength and asset.
EVERYONE here uses the same arguement about one over the other and that same arguement could be used against your stance. It's a vicious circle.
They are both young. Ideally to have both rip up the league would be great. They are in atough position to compete against one another. They are both paid well, unlike DA making league minimum in recent years and being dropped off at work by his wife because they only had one car.
They both need to step up. Again, I'm in favor of platooning them and telling them both that they aren't going to lose their job by failing, but if one of them grabs the bull by the horns and becomes a star in the league, that is when the will win the job, not by default.
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Zombo, what im trying to get across is that the Giants did it right, but we have been spoiled lately in this league with the likes of Matt Ryan, Tom Brady, Joe Flacco, and Big Gay Ben that we have lost all of our patience.
What im trying to say is that Brady could have a HUGE ceiling, and I'd hate to throw that away because we would like to be impatient and say win not or your on the bench. Thats not a very encouraging environment, thats scary. With that thinking how is Quinn going to perfect his deep ball? He's gonna be afraid to throw it because he'll get benched if its a pick. We must stay the course and develop Quinn, he is our first round Draft pick QB who broke Joe Montana's records in college, Im pretty sure that he can do something in this league if we give hime a chance.
Another problem I have with your logic Zombo is that this who offseason period you have failed to see the difference from practice and the game, pre-season and practice dont mean shit. You wanted oone of them to "EARN the job, grab it" but that in my opinion cant happen in practice or pre season games, the only way you can truely see what someone has is during the actual NFL season, because there are players who are quite shitty in practice, that put up big numbers on game day. The only thing you can take from practice is how they do in a simulated repetitive environment, and how hard they work. And if were talkin about work ethic which QB went up and "grabbed it?" The QB that will start for us this sunday
Grab some faith and patience and Ill see you at the superbowl 2 years from now with Quinn under center...
Zombo, what im trying to get across is that the Giants did it right, but we have been spoiled lately in this league with the likes of Matt Ryan, Tom Brady, Joe Flacco, and Big Gay Ben that we have lost all of our patience.
What im trying to say is that Brady could have a HUGE ceiling, and I'd hate to throw that away because we would like to be impatient and say win not or your on the bench. Thats not a very encouraging environment, thats scary. With that thinking how is Quinn going to perfect his deep ball? He's gonna be afraid to throw it because he'll get benched if its a pick. We must stay the course and develop Quinn, he is our first round Draft pick QB who broke Joe Montana's records in college, Im pretty sure that he can do something in this league if we give hime a chance.
Another problem I have with your logic Zombo is that this who offseason period you have failed to see the difference from practice and the game, pre-season and practice dont mean shit. You wanted oone of them to "EARN the job, grab it" but that in my opinion cant happen in practice or pre season games, the only way you can truely see what someone has is during the actual NFL season, because there are players who are quite shitty in practice, that put up big numbers on game day. The only thing you can take from practice is how they do in a simulated repetitive environment, and how hard they work. And if were talkin about work ethic which QB went up and "grabbed it?" The QB that will start for us this sunday
Grab some faith and patience and Ill see you at the superbowl 2 years from now with Quinn under center...
wow....see you at the superbowl with quinn under center? Broke Montana's records in college? As far as the record breaking in college goes...to quote Han Solo.."good against remotes is one thing...good against the living is something else". I'd rather wager on weather Quinn is even in the league 3 years from now..he might be..Frye still is..your loyalty and faith are admirable..but you are kidding yourself,Quinn DOESN'T have it...give him 2 years or 200 to develop, he doesn't have it..he is what he is..a system qb with a spaghetti arm who reached his football pinnacle in college...and is now on the slippery slope to obscurity...one day he will only be known as AJ Hawks bro in law.
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Zombo, what im trying to get across is that the Giants did it right, but we have been spoiled lately in this league with the likes of Matt Ryan, Tom Brady, Joe Flacco, and Big Gay Ben that we have lost all of our patience.
What im trying to say is that Brady could have a HUGE ceiling, and I'd hate to throw that away because we would like to be impatient and say win not or your on the bench. Thats not a very encouraging environment, thats scary. With that thinking how is Quinn going to perfect his deep ball? He's gonna be afraid to throw it because he'll get benched if its a pick. We must stay the course and develop Quinn, he is our first round Draft pick QB who broke Joe Montana's records in college, Im pretty sure that he can do something in this league if we give hime a chance.
Another problem I have with your logic Zombo is that this who offseason period you have failed to see the difference from practice and the game, pre-season and practice dont mean shit. You wanted oone of them to "EARN the job, grab it" but that in my opinion cant happen in practice or pre season games, the only way you can truely see what someone has is during the actual NFL season, because there are players who are quite shitty in practice, that put up big numbers on game day. The only thing you can take from practice is how they do in a simulated repetitive environment, and how hard they work. And if were talkin about work ethic which QB went up and "grabbed it?" The QB that will start for us this sunday
Grab some faith and patience and Ill see you at the superbowl 2 years from now with Quinn under center...
wow....see you at the superbowl with quinn under center? Broke Montana's records in college? As far as the record breaking in college goes...to quote Han Solo.."good against remotes is one thing...good against the living is something else". I'd rather wager on weather Quinn is even in the league 3 years from now..he might be..Frye still is..your loyalty and faith are admirable..but you are kidding yourself,Quinn DOESN'T have it...give him 2 years or 200 to develop, he doesn't have it..he is what he is..a system qb with a spaghetti arm who reached his football pinnacle in college...and is now on the slippery slope to obscurity...one day he will only be known as AJ Hawks bro in law.
wow....see you at the superbowl with quinn under center? Broke Montana's records in college? As far as the record breaking in college goes...to quote Han Solo.."good against remotes is one thing...good against the living is something else". I'd rather wager on weather Quinn is even in the league 3 years from now..he might be..Frye still is..your loyalty and faith are admirable..but you are kidding yourself,Quinn DOESN'T have it...give him 2 years or 200 to develop, he doesn't have it..he is what he is..a system qb with a spaghetti arm who reached his football pinnacle in college...and is now on the slippery slope to obscurity...one day he will only be known as AJ Hawks bro in law.
And you can say just about the same thing about DA (minus the arm comment).
So in a nut shell, CLE has no QB.
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Zombo, what im trying to get across is that the Giants did it right, but we have been spoiled lately in this league with the likes of Matt Ryan, Tom Brady, Joe Flacco, and Big Gay Ben that we have lost all of our patience.
What im trying to say is that Brady could have a HUGE ceiling, and I'd hate to throw that away because we would like to be impatient and say win not or your on the bench. Thats not a very encouraging environment, thats scary. With that thinking how is Quinn going to perfect his deep ball? He's gonna be afraid to throw it because he'll get benched if its a pick. We must stay the course and develop Quinn, he is our first round Draft pick QB who broke Joe Montana's records in college, Im pretty sure that he can do something in this league if we give hime a chance.
Another problem I have with your logic Zombo is that this who offseason period you have failed to see the difference from practice and the game, pre-season and practice dont mean shit. You wanted oone of them to "EARN the job, grab it" but that in my opinion cant happen in practice or pre season games, the only way you can truely see what someone has is during the actual NFL season, because there are players who are quite shitty in practice, that put up big numbers on game day. The only thing you can take from practice is how they do in a simulated repetitive environment, and how hard they work. And if were talkin about work ethic which QB went up and "grabbed it?" The QB that will start for us this sunday
Grab some faith and patience and Ill see you at the superbowl 2 years from now with Quinn under center...
What im trying to say is that Brady could have a HUGE ceiling, and I'd hate to throw that away because we would like to be impatient and say win not or your on the bench. Thats not a very encouraging environment, thats scary. With that thinking how is Quinn going to perfect his deep ball? He's gonna be afraid to throw it because he'll get benched if its a pick. We must stay the course and develop Quinn, he is our first round Draft pick QB who broke Joe Montana's records in college, Im pretty sure that he can do something in this league if we give hime a chance.
play ground you are really not serious about this line of reasoning are you? College records? DA is not exactly low on the totem pole of college records either... and quite a few others who have never seen the light of a NFL game.....
the ND of Quinn era is not the same ND in Montana's era by a nautical mile.......
Brady has a ceiling like Chad Pennington and other low arm strength efficient/smart qbs.... that is completely possible.
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wow....see you at the superbowl with quinn under center? Broke Montana's records in college? As far as the record breaking in college goes...to quote Han Solo.."good against remotes is one thing...good against the living is something else". I'd rather wager on weather Quinn is even in the league 3 years from now..he might be..Frye still is..your loyalty and faith are admirable..but you are kidding yourself,Quinn DOESN'T have it...give him 2 years or 200 to develop, he doesn't have it..he is what he is..a system qb with a spaghetti arm who reached his football pinnacle in college...and is now on the slippery slope to obscurity...one day he will only be known as AJ Hawks bro in law.
And you can say just about the same thing about DA (minus the arm comment).
So in a nut shell, CLE has no QB.
Masters said:
And you can say just about the same thing about DA (minus the arm comment).So in a nut shell, CLE has no QB.
do you see me pimping DA?noooo...but in the choice between two evils Id rather have a strong armed bum than a weak armed bum
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