2023 Browns NFL Draft Prospects
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I wish we'd have gotten to see that Isaiah Weston kid this year. 6'4. But since we didn't, we've got to proceed like we need a big WR. But of course, we need a FAST receiver because our group was ranked near the bottom of the league in speed. So, we need a big, strong, fast, surehanded wr....among our mid to late round picks that we have available.
If I can, I like to watch the WR's run the gauntlet. (3/4/23 1:00pm)
I wish we'd have gotten to see that Isaiah Weston kid this year. 6'4. But since we didn't, we've got to proceed like we need a big WR. But of course, we need a FAST receiver because our group was ranked near the bottom of the league in speed. So, we need a big, strong, fast, surehanded wr....among our mid to late round picks that we have available.
If I can, I like to watch the WR's run the gauntlet. (3/4/23 1:00pm)
Who doesn't need fast, big, and surehanded?
My guess is we will be better off looking for that quick, surehanded receiver in those rounds.
Heck man, at this point it is hard to say. My guess is we do our best in free agency to fill a few holes as best we can, and in the draft we go for the best player on the board, no matter the position with a few exceptions.
With no 1st rounder this year and next, it is going to be pretty important to draft the best players we can and hope 3-4 of them become solid players or we are going to find ourselves in a talent void in a few years.
We may not need the player this year and it becomes a head scratcher, but we may need them in 2-3-4 years.
What we need to hope for is a player like Woods or Bell find their groove and start to shine this year.
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I wish we'd have gotten to see that Isaiah Weston kid this year. 6'4. But since we didn't, we've got to proceed like we need a big WR. But of course, we need a FAST receiver because our group was ranked near the bottom of the league in speed. So, we need a big, strong, fast, surehanded wr....among our mid to late round picks that we have available.
If I can, I like to watch the WR's run the gauntlet. (3/4/23 1:00pm)
Who doesn't need fast, big, and surehanded?
My guess is we will be better off looking for that quick, surehanded receiver in those rounds.
Heck man, at this point it is hard to say. My guess is we do our best in free agency to fill a few holes as best we can, and in the draft we go for the best player on the board, no matter the position with a few exceptions.
With no 1st rounder this year and next, it is going to be pretty important to draft the best players we can and hope 3-4 of them become solid players or we are going to find ourselves in a talent void in a few years.
We may not need the player this year and it becomes a head scratcher, but we may need them in 2-3-4 years.
What we need to hope for is a player like Woods or Bell find their groove and start to shine this year.
Who doesn't need fast, big, and surehanded?
Right?
Shouldn't be hard to find in the mid to late rounds
I mean, we pick 43rd. And we have defensive needs. What round will we have the luxury of picking a WR in? We've gotta get some stuff done in FA.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Jonathan Mingo
6013 226 10 1/4 32 76 1/4 Official Senior Bowl
Here's my sleeper, I want to see run & do some quickness drills at the combine
Ran a pro style offense at Old Miss with Lane Kiffin.. Follows DK Metcalf than AJ Brown at Miss with similar body metrics...
mid round grade
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Jonathan Mingo
6013 226 10 1/4 32 76 1/4 Official Senior Bowl
Here's my sleeper, I want to see run & do some quickness drills at the combine
Ran a pro style offense at Old Miss with Lane Kiffin.. Follows DK Metcalf than AJ Brown at Miss with similar body metrics...
mid round grade
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Right?
Shouldn't be hard to find in the mid to late rounds
I mean, we pick 43rd. And we have defensive needs. What round will we have the luxury of picking a WR in? We've gotta get some stuff done in FA.
I agree about free agency. Let's face it, FA is all about filling needs. Minus the 1st rounder makes it all the more important we don't try to pin needs to various rounds in the draft. I think we need to draft the best players available and not use needs as the determining factor.
No doubt you might not draft a QB high, you can eliminate some positions, and in any draft slot you usually have several players that might be graded out the same, or close enough, that you can look at your needs as a determining factor.
I view drafts as the pipeline for future talent more than immediate talent. Who knows what you might need 3 years from now? Like I said, in any draft slot you are probably going to have several guys with similar draft grades. That probably becomes more the case the further in to the draft a team goes, so even at 43 we are probably going to have 3-4 guys graded out nearly the same giving us the ability to take the guy who best fits immediate need. But....maybe not..and if not we should just take the best players.
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Jonathan Mingo
6013 226 10 1/4 32 76 1/4 Official Senior Bowl
Here's my sleeper, I want to see run & do some quickness drills at the combine
Ran a pro style offense at Old Miss with Lane Kiffin.. Follows DK Metcalf than AJ Brown at Miss with similar body metrics...
mid round grade
Jonathan Mingo
6013 226 10 1/4 32 76 1/4 Official Senior Bowl
Here's my sleeper, I want to see run & do some quickness drills at the combine
Ran a pro style offense at Old Miss with Lane Kiffin.. Follows DK Metcalf than AJ Brown at Miss with similar body metrics...
mid round grade
I like Mingo as well. I could see him as a 3rd-4th round guy who pans out. I also like Tyler Scott out of Cincy. He is a smaller type guy, but one who gets open and catches the ball.
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Walter has Browns taking Lukas Van Ness with our all-important second round pick.
Not sure what to think.. unless we can conduct remedial NFL summer school for him and Alex Wright - and might as well add Winfrey.
Walter has Browns taking Lukas Van Ness with our all-important second round pick.
Not sure what to think.. unless we can conduct remedial NFL summer school for him and Alex Wright - and might as well add Winfrey.
drafttek also has us taking Van Ness as our first pick.
Yep, came back to discuss draft only for a while. Been a nice relief to just ghost from time to time on the football board even though the season for the Browns and the Aggies was miserable in 2023. Will be better for both in 2023.
PS-And can we finally get "Hands of Stone" Schwartz off the roster? Total disaster pick.
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Jonathan Mingo
6013 226 10 1/4 32 76 1/4 Official Senior Bowl
Here's my sleeper, I want to see run & do some quickness drills at the combine
Ran a pro style offense at Old Miss with Lane Kiffin.. Follows DK Metcalf than AJ Brown at Miss with similar body metrics...
mid round grade
I like Mingo as well. I could see him as a 3rd-4th round guy who pans out. I also like Tyler Scott out of Cincy. He is a smaller type guy, but one who gets open and catches the ball.
I like Mingo as well. I could see him as a 3rd-4th round guy who pans out. I also like Tyler Scott out of Cincy. He is a smaller type guy, but one who gets open and catches the ball.
Seems like a better class of under 6 ft WR's// than over... that will get out of R1.. The CB's overall speed, should out class this WR group overall..
Saw 2 Tyler Scott games.. If Berry's looking to replace straight-line Schwartz? Tyler Scott looks to find open green grass.. Scott should run well too..
Yep, came back to discuss draft only for a while. Been a nice relief to just ghost from time to time on the football board even though the season for the Browns and the Aggies was miserable in 2023. Will be better for both in 2023.
Good to see ya back AG..
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I like Mingo as well. I could see him as a 3rd-4th round guy who pans out. I also like Tyler Scott out of Cincy. He is a smaller type guy, but one who gets open and catches the ball.
Seems like a better class of under 6 ft WR's// than over... that will get out of R1.. The CB's overall speed, should out class this WR group overall..
Saw 2 Tyler Scott games.. If Berry's looking to replace straight-line Schwartz? Tyler Scott looks to find open green grass.. Scott should run well too..
Yep, came back to discuss draft only for a while. Been a nice relief to just ghost from time to time on the football board even though the season for the Browns and the Aggies was miserable in 2023. Will be better for both in 2023.
Good to see ya back AG..
Seems like a better class of under 6 ft WR's// than over... that will get out of R1.. The CB's overall speed, should out class this WR group overall..
Saw 2 Tyler Scott games.. If Berry's looking to replace straight-line Schwartz? Tyler Scott looks to find open green grass.. Scott should run well too..
Good to see ya back AG..
Thanks-and agree on Schwartz. We can't afford a WR with speed that can't run routes or catch a cold. And please no Boutte WR from LSU. He's a carbon copy of Schwartz.
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Right?
Shouldn't be hard to find in the mid to late rounds
I mean, we pick 43rd. And we have defensive needs. What round will we have the luxury of picking a WR in? We've gotta get some stuff done in FA.
All true. That said, this FO has to start drafting better because the ONLY starter they drafted on the OL is Wills. All these starters the Browns drafted were before this FO: Myles Garrett, Joel Bitonio, Nick Chubb, Denzel Ward, David Njoku. Those are pretty much the best players on this team. A Pro Bowl Guard like Wyatt Teller was brought here by the previous FO.
The problem with leaning so heavily on free agency or trading for veterans is cap health. Because Cleveland has been so piss poor at DRAFTING QBs look at how many 1st round picks and the 230 million $ worth of cap forfeited on a QB that was not only suspended this year; but the Browns could have drafted him or Mahomes for much less money in 2017. Then they wouldn't have had to draft Baker 1st overall the next year, who is currently looking for his 4th NFL franchise if the Rams don't keep him.
So where are we at? 7-10 football with the FO glad we can't judge their next draft until 3 years from now. As for the WR, I've always like the big 6'4" types that can run. That said, I wouldn't mind a 6'0" or so change of direction guy that can give us what we lack in the passing game.
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I think Watson would welcome his "Wes Welker" on the team.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
I think Watson would welcome his "Wes Welker" on the team.
I never understood why we didn't use Landry in that roll. And for now I'd like to see them try Bell at it. You need a certain spunk in that position.....but I'm not sure that Bell has it.
That said, this FO has to start drafting better because the ONLY starter they drafted on the OL is Wills. All these starters the Browns drafted were before this FO: Myles Garrett, Joel Bitonio, Nick Chubb, Denzel Ward, David Njoku.
Yup. And previous FO's were part of the 1-31 stretch. It seems though that every year after the draft Berry gets high marks from the draft experts. But I certainly agree that we can come up with a list of guys that were drafted that haven't really helped us much, like Schwartz, Elliot, Togiai, Fields, Phillips, Harris, Felton.... I just don't know how typical that is league-wide for the crap-shoot that the draft is. I'm sure Berry knows that he's got his work cut out for him again this year...and that it's an important year for his FO and coaching staff. Haslem's trigger finger has been twitching I'm sure.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
I think Watson would welcome his "Wes Welker" on the team.
I never understood why we didn't use Landry in that roll. And for now I'd like to see them try Bell at it. You need a certain spunk in that position.....but I'm not sure that Bell has it.
That said, this FO has to start drafting better because the ONLY starter they drafted on the OL is Wills. All these starters the Browns drafted were before this FO: Myles Garrett, Joel Bitonio, Nick Chubb, Denzel Ward, David Njoku.
Yup. And previous FO's were part of the 1-31 stretch. It seems though that every year after the draft Berry gets high marks from the draft experts. But I certainly agree that we can come up with a list of guys that were drafted that haven't really helped us much, like Schwartz, Elliot, Togiai, Fields, Phillips, Harris, Felton.... I just don't know how typical that is league-wide for the crap-shoot that the draft is. I'm sure Berry knows that he's got his work cut out for him again this year...and that it's an important year for his FO and coaching staff. Haslem's trigger finger has been twitching I'm sure.
Yup. And previous FO's were part of the 1-31 stretch. It seems though that every year after the draft Berry gets high marks from the draft experts. But I certainly agree that we can come up with a list of guys that were drafted that haven't really helped us much, like Schwartz, Elliot, Togiai, Fields, Phillips, Harris, Felton.... I just don't know how typical that is league-wide for the crap-shoot that the draft is. I'm sure Berry knows that he's got his work cut out for him again this year...and that it's an important year for his FO and coaching staff. Haslem's trigger finger has been twitching I'm sure.
? I walked right into that one. Good points. I just think it's time they make some progress with the draft. We need more keepers than stinkers from the draft if we ever want to frequent playoffs again and maintain a healthy cap. The 80s were a long time ago.
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I think Watson would welcome his "Wes Welker" on the team.
I never understood why we didn't use Landry in that roll. And for now I'd like to see them try Bell at it. You need a certain spunk in that position.....but I'm not sure that Bell has it.
That said, this FO has to start drafting better because the ONLY starter they drafted on the OL is Wills. All these starters the Browns drafted were before this FO: Myles Garrett, Joel Bitonio, Nick Chubb, Denzel Ward, David Njoku.
Yup. And previous FO's were part of the 1-31 stretch. It seems though that every year after the draft Berry gets high marks from the draft experts. But I certainly agree that we can come up with a list of guys that were drafted that haven't really helped us much, like Schwartz, Elliot, Togiai, Fields, Phillips, Harris, Felton.... I just don't know how typical that is league-wide for the crap-shoot that the draft is. I'm sure Berry knows that he's got his work cut out for him again this year...and that it's an important year for his FO and coaching staff. Haslem's trigger finger has been twitching I'm sure.
I never understood why we didn't use Landry in that roll. And for now I'd like to see them try Bell at it. You need a certain spunk in that position.....but I'm not sure that Bell has it.
Bell can catch. I am just not sure he can get open. Either he is too slow, or doesn't have the quicks in his breaks to create seperation....maybe a little of both?
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I think Watson would welcome his "Wes Welker" on the team.
Just like the undrafted Wes Welker you mentioned above here's some other huge bargains that rewarded teams in the past: Wayne Chrebet (Undrafted, Hofstra University), Marques Colston (7th round, Hofstra University) - that college on Long Island no longer has a football program. That said, the Jets and the Saints got themselves some absolute gems that didn't cost very much at all. Victor Cruz (Undrafted, UMass). Tyreek Hill (5th round, Oklahoma State & West Alabama), TJ Houshmandzadeh (7th round, Oregon State), Stefon Diggs (5th round, Maryland).
There's going to be late round guys at the WR position that can help us. The question is - will they be drafted/signed as undrafted FAs by our FO or somebody else? This is a HUGE draft for this FO. Last year at this time, many fans including me thought Seattle would be playing for the 1st overall pick. And we wuz WRONG! That FO nailed that draft as did the KC Chiefs. Time for Cleveland to step it up THIS year!
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I think Watson would welcome his "Wes Welker" on the team.
Just like the undrafted Wes Welker you mentioned above here's some other huge bargains that rewarded teams in the past: Wayne Chrebet (Undrafted, Hofstra University), Marques Colston (7th round, Hofstra University) - that college on Long Island no longer has a football program. That said, the Jets and the Saints got themselves some absolute gems that didn't cost very much at all. Victor Cruz (Undrafted, UMass). Tyreek Hill (5th round, Oklahoma State & West Alabama), TJ Houshmandzadeh (7th round, Oregon State), Stefon Diggs (5th round, Maryland).
There's going to be late round guys at the WR position that can help us. The question is - will they be drafted/signed as undrafted FAs by our FO or somebody else? This is a HUGE draft for this FO. Last year at this time, many fans including me thought Seattle would be playing for the 1st overall pick. And we wuz WRONG! That FO nailed that draft as did the KC Chiefs. Time for Cleveland to step it up THIS year!
Just like the undrafted Wes Welker you mentioned above here's some other huge bargains that rewarded teams in the past: Wayne Chrebet (Undrafted, Hofstra University), Marques Colston (7th round, Hofstra University) - that college on Long Island no longer has a football program. That said, the Jets and the Saints got themselves some absolute gems that didn't cost very much at all. Victor Cruz (Undrafted, UMass). Tyreek Hill (5th round, Oklahoma State & West Alabama), TJ Houshmandzadeh (7th round, Oregon State), Stefon Diggs (5th round, Maryland).
There's going to be late round guys at the WR position that can help us. The question is - will they be drafted/signed as undrafted FAs by our FO or somebody else? This is a HUGE draft for this FO. Last year at this time, many fans including me thought Seattle would be playing for the 1st overall pick. And we wuz WRONG! That FO nailed that draft as did the KC Chiefs. Time for Cleveland to step it up THIS year!
A&M's Ainias Smith fits that description to a T, but he was injured out for the season during the 4th game. He chose to come back for another year rather than go early as he had originally planned. His loss as the all around do it all slot/ wideout/RB/return man on punts and KOs was a major part of so many of their losses this past season. He will be a later round pick in 2024 if he stays healthy through this season. If you can get an A&M game up there during the season, take a peak at how they use him in OC Patrino's new offense.
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Browns take defensive linemen with both picks in a new three-round mock draft
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/16/browns-2023-nfl-mock-draft-derick-hall-keondre-coburn/
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I think Watson would welcome his "Wes Welker" on the team.
I remember trying to college scout Wes Welker & Julian Edelman both when coming out of college...
The only thing on their game-film that showed... was a knack for getting open..
Brady placed some nice positioned balls, but was not always perfect.. Continuity/trust was built.. We can see this growing with Coop & Watson..
Your Right ! We need a sure handed Welker/Edelman possession type of WR..
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Maybe this "walk on" could help the Browns. We're desperate!! LOL!??
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I think Watson would welcome his "Wes Welker" on the team.
I remember trying to college scout Wes Welker & Julian Edelman both when coming out of college...
The only thing on their game-film that showed... was a knack for getting open..
Brady placed some nice positioned balls, but was not always perfect.. Continuity/trust was built.. We can see this growing with Coop & Watson..
Your Right ! We need a sure handed Welker/Edelman possession type of WR..
I remember trying to college scout Wes Welker & Julian Edelman both when coming out of college...
The only thing on their game-film that showed... was a knack for getting open.
I'd hope Edds was a bit more open in his running lanes than Wes was as a receiver. Because Julian played QB all 3 years at KSU.
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