2023 Browns NFL Draft Prospects

Flugel

@dutch-oven said:

It would be nice to have one big target, but that Penn State kid is a play-making machine, and while shorter than preferred, built like a RB.

Precisely! Good idea Dutch! I'd like to see a change of direction guy in receiving corps (and in the FO). As for the BIG target with speed, the 6'4" David Njoku is supposed to give us this. When we use 2 TEs Harrison Bryant is a 6'5" target.

I see a lot of routes in Stefanski's offense (passing tree) that are straight ahead fly routes and go routes that we use with our outside Receivers in formation. They're fine when the passes are accurate and/or our receivers are getting separation. Having said that, when we're running them wide/down the sidelines - that's what any decent corners want us to do. They'll get the inside leverage and the sidelines remove any threat outside; so there's no room for error from the passer.

Post routes, corner routes or flag routes all start off straight ahead and then slant off toward the goal post, sideline or pylon. None of these routes are a drastic change of direction that are going to worry DBs. The shorter version of a post route is a quick slant route from where the Receiver lines up outside immediately angling toward the middle of the field (skipping a lot of the straight ahead stuff prior to the slant used in the deeper post routes),

Dig routes are what us older fellers used to call square ins. These are your drastic change of direction routes where a guy with ideal football hips like Jerry Rice got a lot more separation than the 40 yard dash times projected from him. Former Syracuse and Indy Colts star Marvin Harrison was as good as it gets with this asset. He has a chip off the ole block that's very fun to watch playing for Ohio State. Only the younger version is 6'4" tall weighing in at 205 pounds vrs his father that was 6'0" and 185 pounds. The scary thing about MH Jr is he does everything his dad did extremely well; only he's bigger, faster and stronger than his dad was. You want to know how scary that is? Ask any guy that played in Georgia's secondary; because they were losing without solutions for him before he left the game with an unpenalized head injury. Georgia could have scored 4 more TDs against TCU; and it still wouldn't remove their feeling that Ohio State had them in check mate when he was in the game.

People are going to say WR isn't a need but adding something we don't currently have in that position group seems like a big need. I'm talking an ideal change of direction guy that can run any route and put points on the board. Even better, we can address it in the 3rd round. If they do this - please go after a guy that can catch the ball instead of fooling ourselves that we can coach the dropsies right out of someone with that frequent tendency. I'd prefer a guy with a frame that doesn't limit him to being an undersized/underweight slot receiver. I was never a big fan of Dennis Northcutt in the passing game even though I liked the excitement he added as a punt/kick return man. PSU's Parker Washington may only be 5'10" but he's a compact 212 lbs. He's like a Mark Clayton or Mark Duper with about 25 more lbs of muscle so that should remove a lot of concerns about press coverage or confining him exclusively to a slot/flanker role.

As you can see, I still need to familiarize myself with the draft prospects and this thread will be a great help.

SdBacker80

Maybe a luxury pick depending on what we do…but Keaton Mitchell RB ECU looks like he would be a perfect Nick Chubb compliment.

Lots of Good speed and elite lateral movement. Looks like a patience runner too with good hands.

Flugel

@mjp28 said:

This is what is going to determine what the 2023 Cleveland BROWNS are going to look like (subject to trades and trade ups :

Fourth Round (2) - Pick #111 Pick #131 - From Minnesota

Pick #111 - Is that all we get from Minnesota after taking Stefanski and Priefer off their hands?

Can you imagine if the guy in the video below was a Browns fan?

Unsympathetic

Here's hoping Jerron Cage falls to us sometime on day3. I think he's everything Togiai has proven not to be.

ballpeen

@unsympathetic said:

Here's hoping Jerron Cage falls to us sometime on day3. I think he's everything Togiai has proven not to be.

He is about the 70th best DT ranked. Being as such, he should probably be available as a free agent. What do you know about the guy that makes you think he will be any good?

tiamat63

@dutch-oven

You asked me about Benton from Wisconsin. Some quick thoughts.

- I don't believe he has the natural size+ quickness to be a 2 gap nose. Which I'm perfectly fine with.

- His 1 on 1 reps in the senior bowl really helped to demonstrate his ability to use violent and quick hands.

- His lateral pursuit and conditioning needs some work. That's where I ultimately come back around to believing it would be better for him to stay around 305lbs-ish, help grow that first step burst he briefly flashes (ed)

- Sometimes he losses his base and gets ahead of his pads, so footwork is going to need some attention. But that's where I also come back around to mentioning not liking him as a 2 gap nose, where I found most of that issue. Playing the shade is where I saw him shine.

- Still needs to concentrate on hand use to prevent reach blocks while using his quickness to power to drive blockers on zone steps both laterally and horizontally to disrupt and force early cuts.

I see potential. Not like... top 15 potential. Probably not even 1st round. But day 2? Yeah

Unsympathetic

Walter has Browns taking Lukas Van Ness with our all-important second round pick.

Not sure what to think.. unless we can conduct remedial NFL summer school for him and Alex Wright - and might as well add Winfrey.

tiamat63

If the Browns are looking at anybody from Iowa, it had better be Jack Campbell. This team needs help at LB as well and he showed out quite well against the Buckeyes from my memory.

Orion

I wish we'd have gotten to see that Isaiah Weston kid this year. 6'4. But since we didn't, we've got to proceed like we need a big WR. But of course, we need a FAST receiver because our group was ranked near the bottom of the league in speed. So, we need a big, strong, fast, surehanded wr....among our mid to late round picks that we have available.

If I can, I like to watch the WR's run the gauntlet. (3/4/23 1:00pm)

ballpeen · If I can, I like to watch the WR's run the gauntlet. (3/4/23 1:00pm)

@orion said:

I wish we'd have gotten to see that Isaiah Weston kid this year. 6'4. But since we didn't, we've got to proceed like we need a big WR. But of course, we need a FAST receiver because our group was ranked near the bottom of the league in speed. So, we need a big, strong, fast, surehanded wr....among our mid to late round picks that we have available.

If I can, I like to watch the WR's run the gauntlet. (3/4/23 1:00pm)

Who doesn't need fast, big, and surehanded?

My guess is we will be better off looking for that quick, surehanded receiver in those rounds.

Heck man, at this point it is hard to say. My guess is we do our best in free agency to fill a few holes as best we can, and in the draft we go for the best player on the board, no matter the position with a few exceptions.

With no 1st rounder this year and next, it is going to be pretty important to draft the best players we can and hope 3-4 of them become solid players or we are going to find ourselves in a talent void in a few years.

We may not need the player this year and it becomes a head scratcher, but we may need them in 2-3-4 years.

What we need to hope for is a player like Woods or Bell find their groove and start to shine this year.

Orion · If I can, I like to watch the WR's run the gauntlet. (3/4/23 1:00pm)

@ballpeen said:

Who doesn't need fast, big, and surehanded?

Right? Shouldn't be hard to find in the mid to late rounds

I mean, we pick 43rd. And we have defensive needs. What round will we have the luxury of picking a WR in? We've gotta get some stuff done in FA.

gumby73

Jonathan Mingo

6013

226

10 1/4

32

76 1/4 Official Senior Bowl

Here's my sleeper, I want to see run & do some quickness drills at the combine

Ran a pro style offense at Old Miss with Lane Kiffin.. Follows DK Metcalf than AJ Brown at Miss with similar body metrics...

mid round grade

Orion

@gumby73 said:

Jonathan Mingo

I dunno gumby....I'm getting some bad vibes from that Mingo name.

ballpeen

@orion said:

Right? Shouldn't be hard to find in the mid to late rounds

I mean, we pick 43rd. And we have defensive needs. What round will we have the luxury of picking a WR in? We've gotta get some stuff done in FA.

I agree about free agency. Let's face it, FA is all about filling needs. Minus the 1st rounder makes it all the more important we don't try to pin needs to various rounds in the draft. I think we need to draft the best players available and not use needs as the determining factor.

No doubt you might not draft a QB high, you can eliminate some positions, and in any draft slot you usually have several players that might be graded out the same, or close enough, that you can look at your needs as a determining factor.

I view drafts as the pipeline for future talent more than immediate talent. Who knows what you might need 3 years from now? Like I said, in any draft slot you are probably going to have several guys with similar draft grades. That probably becomes more the case the further in to the draft a team goes, so even at 43 we are probably going to have 3-4 guys graded out nearly the same giving us the ability to take the guy who best fits immediate need. But....maybe not..and if not we should just take the best players.

ballpeen

@gumby73 said:

Jonathan Mingo
6013 226 10 1/4 32
76 1/4 Official Senior Bowl

Here's my sleeper, I want to see run & do some quickness drills at the combine

Ran a pro style offense at Old Miss with Lane Kiffin.. Follows DK Metcalf than AJ Brown at Miss with similar body metrics...

mid round grade

I like Mingo as well. I could see him as a 3rd-4th round guy who pans out. I also like Tyler Scott out of Cincy. He is a smaller type guy, but one who gets open and catches the ball.

TexasAg1969

@unsympathetic said:

Walter has Browns taking Lukas Van Ness with our all-important second round pick.

Not sure what to think.. unless we can conduct remedial NFL summer school for him and Alex Wright - and might as well add Winfrey.

drafttek also has us taking Van Ness as our first pick.

Yep, came back to discuss draft only for a while. Been a nice relief to just ghost from time to time on the football board even though the season for the Browns and the Aggies was miserable in 2023. Will be better for both in 2023.

PS-And can we finally get "Hands of Stone" Schwartz off the roster? Total disaster pick.

gumby73

@ballpeen said:

I like Mingo as well. I could see him as a 3rd-4th round guy who pans out. I also like Tyler Scott out of Cincy. He is a smaller type guy, but one who gets open and catches the ball.

Seems like a better class of under 6 ft WR's// than over... that will get out of R1.. The CB's overall speed, should out class this WR group overall..

Saw 2 Tyler Scott games.. If Berry's looking to replace straight-line Schwartz? Tyler Scott looks to find open green grass.. Scott should run well too..

@texasag1969 said:

Yep, came back to discuss draft only for a while. Been a nice relief to just ghost from time to time on the football board even though the season for the Browns and the Aggies was miserable in 2023. Will be better for both in 2023.

Good to see ya back AG..

TexasAg1969

@gumby73 said:

Seems like a better class of under 6 ft WR's// than over... that will get out of R1.. The CB's overall speed, should out class this WR group overall..

Saw 2 Tyler Scott games.. If Berry's looking to replace straight-line Schwartz? Tyler Scott looks to find open green grass.. Scott should run well too..

Good to see ya back AG..

Thanks-and agree on Schwartz. We can't afford a WR with speed that can't run routes or catch a cold. And please no Boutte WR from LSU. He's a carbon copy of Schwartz.

Flugel

@orion said:

Right? Shouldn't be hard to find in the mid to late rounds

I mean, we pick 43rd. And we have defensive needs. What round will we have the luxury of picking a WR in? We've gotta get some stuff done in FA.

All true. That said, this FO has to start drafting better because the ONLY starter they drafted on the OL is Wills. All these starters the Browns drafted were before this FO: Myles Garrett, Joel Bitonio, Nick Chubb, Denzel Ward, David Njoku. Those are pretty much the best players on this team. A Pro Bowl Guard like Wyatt Teller was brought here by the previous FO.

The problem with leaning so heavily on free agency or trading for veterans is cap health. Because Cleveland has been so piss poor at DRAFTING QBs look at how many 1st round picks and the 230 million $ worth of cap forfeited on a QB that was not only suspended this year; but the Browns could have drafted him or Mahomes for much less money in 2017. Then they wouldn't have had to draft Baker 1st overall the next year, who is currently looking for his 4th NFL franchise if the Rams don't keep him.

So where are we at? 7-10 football with the FO glad we can't judge their next draft until 3 years from now. As for the WR, I've always like the big 6'4" types that can run. That said, I wouldn't mind a 6'0" or so change of direction guy that can give us what we lack in the passing game.

ballpeen

I think Watson would welcome his "Wes Welker" on the team.