2023 Browns NFL Draft Prospects

[ballpeen]

I still think the draft is about BPA.

That said, needs do come in to play.  I think needs and BPA will joint for us this year and a receiver will be the selection in round 2.  There are several receivers who should be available that will fall in to a grouping of players from which we can choose.

By that I mean you can probably make a nice, neat list of the top 10-15 players, but after that groups of players begin to grade out the same, or close enough to allow some flexibility in your choice.

The wildcard is if somebody starts to fall. At that point you probably just need to take the guy and readjust your draft plans.

[tiamat63]

@ballpeen said:

The wildcard 

[ballpeen]

Seems like there are a few every year.

[Flugel]

@ballpeen said:

I still think the draft is about BPA.

That said, needs do come in to play.  I think needs and BPA will joint for us this year and a receiver will be the selection in round 2.  There are several receivers who should be available that will fall in to a grouping of players from which we can choose.

By that I mean you can probably make a nice, neat list of the top 10-15 players, but after that groups of players begin to grade out the same, or close enough to allow some flexibility in your choice.

The wildcard is if somebody starts to fall. At that point you probably just need to take the guy and readjust your draft plans.

[gumby73]

@flugel said:

 I'm hearing a lot of good stuff about Zay Flowers. 

@texasag1969 said:

What no "Bobble" Boutte WR LSU for you??

No ! hard Pass ! ^^

Fans or not fans of Panthers/Ravens WR Steve Smith Sr..

Youtube Steve Smith Sr. Cut to it breakdowns of this seasons WR class ?..

Example.... Zay Flowers..

insane out route cuts all over his game-tape  

I'm starting to lose hope Zay Flowers gets to the 2nd Round ?No thanks to #89 Smitty

Morning Taps & Happy St. Patty Friday ?

[Flugel]

@gumby73 said:

No ! hard Pass ! ^^

Fans or not fans of Panthers/Ravens WR Steve Smith Sr..

Youtube Steve Smith Sr. Cut to it breakdowns of this seasons WR class ?..

Example.... Zay Flowers..

insane out route cuts all over his game-tape  

I'm starting to lose hope Zay Flowers gets to the 2nd Round ?

Morning Taps & Happy St. Patty Friday ?

Backatchya Gumbs!  ?  

Yeah, you're probably right; but there's a lot of intriguing WR prospects that can help us at #42 (and later believe it or not). The Chiefs don't have to be the only team capable of finding a guy like Tyreek Hill in round 5 do they? Every draft rewards teams that do their homework/research beyond the first few rounds.  This one won't be any different.  Once upon a time we landed Brian Brennan in round 4 (in 84); and Elizabeth City State's Reggie Langhorne in round 7 (in 85).  These were productive receivers on our playoff teams that erased so many 4th quarter deficits they were called the Kardiac Kids.  Luck of the find rewards the diligence of the search IMO.

I'd love to see us add a good change of direction guy.  I think this is what our WR Corps lack more than anything.  

[Flugel]

@gumby73 said:

Hey Flug,

If I had a choice? If the RAS website was not a sorry site to compare players( it shows some, than not some), it would have been a 6 pack of WR's..  Zay Flowers vs AT Perry's RAS would not compare.. The best fit for the Browns imo?

1. Marvin Mims Oklahoma. 5'10 183/ speed/twitch .. 40 time 4.38.3-Cone 6.90.. don't think he gets to us at pick 40's?

2a). Zay Flowers BC (climate ready) 5'10 182 lbs. best WR in ACC/imo.. Josh Downs had a QB/not Flowers/ just get the ball in his radius area code..deep threat with twitch/yac is a browns need..finished his career as BC's all-time leader in career receptions (200), career receiving yards (3,056) and career receiving touchdowns (29).

2b.).. Parker Washington 5' 10" 204lbs.. pending pro day.. Zay or Parker?.. I'd be thrilled with either.. could not choose even when Parker's ankle injury happened.. You don't find many 5'10 college WR's like Parker with over 10" hands.. drops nothing & climate ready   

4. Jonathan Mingo.. thick w/AJ Brown speed & durability..a 4.46 40 at 6'1"  220lbs..

5. Josh Downs.. 5'9 171 lbs. soaking wet.. 40 of 4.48.. good 10 split, if not jammed at 5 yrds. I lost money watching Josh drop balls in ACC champ game.. clearly, still not over it .. pushed Mingo ahead

6. AT Perry Wake Forest.. 6'3 198 lbs.. big target, that plays faster than his 40 of 4.47.. smooth routes & gets open

Here's some highlights for the guy (Parker Washington) that caught Dutch's eye against Ohio State. This guy definitely has some goodies for our passing game.  Looks like he's a good punt returner as well... Lindy's Draft Guide ranks him as their #12 WR, 5'9" 210 lbs, 4.47 40 time with a 3rd round projection.

[Flugel]

Here's Lindy's Draft Guide's 11th ranked WR Andrei Josivas at 6'3" 201 lbs projected for round 3 - they list his 40 time as 4.39. (They have Parker Washington from the previous post ranked 12th).  Who knows how accurate the Guide is at this point? But it provides some draft research with strengths and weaknesses for each.  It goes over all the position groups and gives each group a grade for 2023.  The WRs were given a B-.

[Flugel]

Lindy's 10th ranked WR Xavier Hutchinson, Iowa State WR 6'2" 207 lbs. 4.44 40 time. 2nd-3rd round projection.

[Flugel]

Lindy's #7 - #9 ranked WRs

#7 Josh Downs, North Carolina, 5'10" 171 lbs. 4.46 40 time. 2nd round projection.

# 8 Marvin Mims, Oklahoma WR, 5'11" 182 lbs, 4.37 40 time, 2nd round projection.

#9 Rakim Jarrett, Maryland WR, 6'0" 190 lbs, 4.37 40 time, 2nd round projection.

[Flugel]

Lindy's #6 ranked WR - Rashee Rice, SMU WR, 6'1" 200 lbs, 4.48 40 time, 2nd round projection

[gumby73]

@flugel said:

Here's some highlights for the guy (Parker Washington) that caught Dutch's eye against Ohio State. This guy definitely has some goodies for our passing game.  Looks like he's a good punt returner as well... 

Agreed! The Factory of Cornerbacks of Columbus.Ohio had a rough day vs Parker Washington that day..

The Factory faces a youth overhaul into 2023 in the secondary... Recruited a nice class of now sophomores.. Hope to see them back to Buckeye balling soon 

[gumby73]

• Cleveland Browns

  Round 2, Pick 42

  LB

  Jack Campbell *

  Trenton Simpson *

   Drew Sanders 

  Dalyan Henley

  DL 

  Mazi Smith *

  Keeanu Benton 

  Calijah Kancey *

  Bryan Bresee

  Siaki Ika

  Tuli Tuipulotu

  member edit-Zach Pickens

  member edit-Gervon Dexter

   

  EDGE 

  Keion White

  Will McDonald IV 

  Felix Anudike-Uzomah

  Adetomiwa Adebawore  

  B.J. Ojulari 

  Isaiah Foskey

  Zach Harrison 

   

  S 

  Antonio Johnson

  Sydney Brown

  Chris Smith II

  Jordan Battle

  OT

  Anton Harrison

  Dawand Jones *

  Darnell Wright *

  TE

  Darnell Washington 

  Luke Musgrave

   

  WR 

  Josh Downs 

  Zay Flowers *

  Jalin Hyatt

  Marvin Mims *

   

  Pool of 30 that may get to #42.. but may not get to pick #98

   

    like 10 & 7 are real iffy they get to #43  *

   

   

  Whom you want to add? or Delete ?

[Dutch Oven]

At this moment, I'm very much on the Jack Campbell or Mazi Smith bandwagons for the 2nd round pick. 

A WR or DE would be super and/or duper there too. 

I'm sure best player available and need can converge for the Browns there. They could use help all over the roster. 

[calfoxwc]

@flugel said:

They should have an easier time, however, finding a speedy receiver at this point of the draft who can immediately be inserted into the lineup and help them stretch opposing defenses.

ok, I have a question. With all the talk about wide receiver desperation to help you know who, I see mock drafts saying draft a wide receiver desperately to stretch the field, etc etc, like the Bengals did for Joe Burrow, etc etc etc, ....

    a lot of folks said Baker - was the problem. His wr's were fine, he just sucked. Now, even after adding a fine wr like Cooper, the big glaring need is for a star wr?

  but Baker, who took the Browns to the playoffs with a so so cast of wr's..... didn't need it? but we desperately have to upgrade at wr NOW?

  What happened with all the hostile hate towards upgrading with a field stretching star wr .....by some folks?

But mock drafts are right. It's just too late. I'm not getting the refusal to admit that wr WAS a huge problem that was helping make the offense not function.

[Dutch Oven]

@calfoxwc said:

ok, I have a question. With all the talk about wide receiver desperation to help you know who, I see mock drafts saying draft a wide receiver desperately to stretch the field, etc etc, like the Bengals did for Joe Burrow, etc etc etc, ....

    a lot of folks said Baker - was the problem. His wr's were fine, he just sucked. Now, even after adding a fine wr like Cooper, the big glaring need is for a star wr?

  but Baker, who took the Browns to the playoffs with a so so cast of wr's..... didn't need it? but we desperately have to upgrade at wr NOW?

  What happened with all the hostile hate towards upgrading with a field stretching star wr .....by some folks?

But mock drafts are right. It's just too late. I'm not getting the refusal to admit that wr WAS a huge problem that was helping make the offense not function.

I have no idea why people accuse you of being obsessed with Baker Mayfield. 

So completely unwarranted.

[calfoxwc]

the same can be said for Jacoby Brissett. I liked his play, too - but he didn't have the wr that people are talking about now,  either. Announcers were talking about it during games.

Sure, once in a while one was open, UNEXPECTEDLY. I said it a lot - the Browns needed a legit deep threat that opened things up for other wr's and the TE. I said look at the difference between the Bengals before and after Jamarr Chase.  Same qb, albeit a more experienced one. I would have been delighted to go with Brissett - and add that "Jamarr Chase" to the wr group - and see if he could light it up and get to the playoffs again.

[Unsympathetic]

Baker's biggest problem is that when he knows what's going on, he sucks.  He's on TB now, so don't pick Mike Evans before round 4 in next season's FF drafts.

I'll be very happy if Mazi Smith fell in the draft. But he'll likely get picked late in the first.. unless someone watches no tape of Brian Bresee and somehow picks BB instead in round1.

Keion White is an intriguing 280# DE who won't go much further than our spot in round 2 - but I'm tired of drafting Toolsy Prospects Who Can Cover RB's On Wheel Routes.

Zach Pickens is someone I'd think about if we trade back from our spot in round 2 into something later round 2 / first few in round 3.

[TexasAg1969]

@unsympathetic said:

Baker's biggest problem is that when he knows what's going on, he sucks.  He's on TB now, so don't pick Mike Evans before round 4 in next season's FF drafts.

Zach Pickens is someone I'd think about if we trade back from our spot in round 2 into something later round 2 / first few in round 3.

I'd be more interested in Gervon Dexter DT Florida who is coming out early. https://floridagators.com/sports/football/roster/gervon-dexter/15186  Drafttek has him around spot 59 overall.

[gumby73]

added both in above DT list..thanks, missed both

member edit-Zach Pickens

member edit-Gervon Dexter