2023 Browns NFL Draft Prospects
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To me this is the real key unless we get those needed areas fully filled in FA.
You had me thinking, did I REALLY say just say something that smart?
Then I saw that it came from the cut and paste I shared. Almost!!!!
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To me this is the real key unless we get those needed areas fully filled in FA.
I could see the Browns making an Amari Cooper-style trade again if they can swing it with the newly developed cap space.
I have a hard time believing this front office and coaching staff feels super comfortable with their career footing here in Cleveland, and if they can get another established vet for a draft pick in a need spot, I think they'll do it.
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I am increasingly convinced we draft a WR in the 2nd. Considering the depth this year, we could still land a stud.
Cooper won't stay great forever, and with DPJ in his final year, getting a #2 who can grow into #1 would make a lot of sense to me.
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Final Four WR's...
2nd to 4th round grades
Interesting Gumbs! I don't like ANY Northcutt clones that weigh in the 170s for anything other than a return specialist. Take that with a grain of salt though since it's only me saying that with very, very limited time spent on researching prospects so far. I REALLY like seeing Parker Washington has a compact 5'10" frame at 204 lbs with strength of 16 reps so it looks like we could line him up on the line of scrimmage when/if necessary.
I know you have a lot of familiarity with the local guys you see in the Carolinas and ACC. If you're like me, you'd like to see your local studs end up with Cleveland. EDIT: I just cut and pasted 2nd and 3rd round mock drafts (in the next post) from 2 guys with Clevelandbrowns.com where 1 has the Browns drafting Josh Brown in round 2 and a DL in round 3. If you had your choice, would you go with the Carolina Kid or the better RAS if it came down to Mingo or Downs? I get the feeling there's a little James Taylor vibe working here - "In my mind I'm gone to Carolina..."
I REALLY like seeing Parker Washington has a compact 5'10" frame at 204 lbs with strength of 16 reps so it looks like we could line him up on the line of scrimmage when/if necessary.
I know you have a lot of familiarity with the local guys you see in the Carolinas and ACC. If you're like me, you'd like to see your local studs end up with Cleveland. EDIT: I just cut and pasted 2nd and 3rd round mock drafts (in the next post) from 2 guys with Clevelandbrowns.com where 1 has the Browns drafting Josh Brown in round 2 and a DL in round 3. If you had your choice, would you go with the Carolina Kid or the better RAS if it came down to Mingo or Downs? I get the feeling there's a little James Taylor vibe working here - "In my mind I'm gone to Carolina..."
Hey Flug,
If I had a choice? If the RAS website was not a sorry site to compare players( it shows some, than not some), it would have been a 6 pack of WR's.. Zay Flowers vs AT Perry's RAS would not compare.. The best fit for the Browns imo?
1. Marvin Mims Oklahoma. 5'10 183/ speed/twitch .. 40 time 4.38.3-Cone 6.90.. don't think he gets to us at pick 40's?
2a). Zay Flowers BC (climate ready) 5'10 182 lbs. best WR in ACC/imo.. Josh Downs had a QB/not Flowers/ just get the ball in his radius area code..deep threat with twitch/yac is a browns need..finished his career as BC's all-time leader in career receptions (200), career receiving yards (3,056) and career receiving touchdowns (29).
2b.).. Parker Washington 5' 10" 204lbs.. pending pro day.. Zay or Parker?.. I'd be thrilled with either.. could not choose even when Parker's ankle injury happened.. You don't find many 5'10 college WR's like Parker with over 10" hands.. drops nothing & climate ready
4. Jonathan Mingo.. thick w/AJ Brown speed & durability..a 4.46 40 at 6'1" 220lbs..
5. Josh Downs.. 5'9 171 lbs. soaking wet.. 40 of 4.48.. good 10 split, if not jammed at 5 yrds. I lost money watching Josh drop balls in ACC champ game.. clearly, still not over it
.. pushed Mingo ahead
6. AT Perry Wake Forest.. 6'3 198 lbs.. big target, that plays faster than his 40 of 4.47.. smooth routes & gets open
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I REALLY like seeing Parker Washington has a compact 5'10" frame at 204 lbs with strength of 16 reps so it looks like we could line him up on the line of scrimmage when/if necessary.
I know you have a lot of familiarity with the local guys you see in the Carolinas and ACC. If you're like me, you'd like to see your local studs end up with Cleveland. EDIT: I just cut and pasted 2nd and 3rd round mock drafts (in the next post) from 2 guys with Clevelandbrowns.com where 1 has the Browns drafting Josh Brown in round 2 and a DL in round 3. If you had your choice, would you go with the Carolina Kid or the better RAS if it came down to Mingo or Downs? I get the feeling there's a little James Taylor vibe working here - "In my mind I'm gone to Carolina..."
Hey Flug,
If I had a choice? If the RAS website was not a sorry site to compare players( it shows some, than not some), it would have been a 6 pack of WR's.. Zay Flowers vs AT Perry's RAS would not compare.. The best fit for the Browns imo?
1. Marvin Mims Oklahoma. 5'10 183/ speed/twitch .. 40 time 4.38.3-Cone 6.90.. don't think he gets to us at pick 40's?
2a). Zay Flowers BC (climate ready) 5'10 182 lbs. best WR in ACC/imo.. Josh Downs had a QB/not Flowers/ just get the ball in his radius area code..deep threat with twitch/yac is a browns need..finished his career as BC's all-time leader in career receptions (200), career receiving yards (3,056) and career receiving touchdowns (29).
2b.).. Parker Washington 5' 10" 204lbs.. pending pro day.. Zay or Parker?.. I'd be thrilled with either.. could not choose even when Parker's ankle injury happened.. You don't find many 5'10 college WR's like Parker with over 10" hands.. drops nothing & climate ready
4. Jonathan Mingo.. thick w/AJ Brown speed & durability..a 4.46 40 at 6'1" 220lbs..
5. Josh Downs.. 5'9 171 lbs. soaking wet.. 40 of 4.48.. good 10 split, if not jammed at 5 yrds. I lost money watching Josh drop balls in ACC champ game.. clearly, still not over it
.. pushed Mingo ahead
6. AT Perry Wake Forest.. 6'3 198 lbs.. big target, that plays faster than his 40 of 4.47.. smooth routes & gets open
Hey Flug,
If I had a choice? If the RAS website was not a sorry site to compare players( it shows some, than not some), it would have been a 6 pack of WR's.. Zay Flowers vs AT Perry's RAS would not compare.. The best fit for the Browns imo?
1. Marvin Mims Oklahoma. 5'10 183/ speed/twitch .. 40 time 4.38.3-Cone 6.90.. don't think he gets to us at pick 40's?
2a). Zay Flowers BC (climate ready) 5'10 182 lbs. best WR in ACC/imo.. Josh Downs had a QB/not Flowers/ just get the ball in his radius area code..deep threat with twitch/yac is a browns need..finished his career as BC's all-time leader in career receptions (200), career receiving yards (3,056) and career receiving touchdowns (29).
2b.).. Parker Washington 5' 10" 204lbs.. pending pro day.. Zay or Parker?.. I'd be thrilled with either.. could not choose even when Parker's ankle injury happened.. You don't find many 5'10 college WR's like Parker with over 10" hands.. drops nothing & climate ready
4. Jonathan Mingo.. thick w/AJ Brown speed & durability..a 4.46 40 at 6'1" 220lbs..
5. Josh Downs.. 5'9 171 lbs. soaking wet.. 40 of 4.48.. good 10 split, if not jammed at 5 yrds. I lost money watching Josh drop balls in ACC champ game.. clearly, still not over it
.. pushed Mingo ahead
6. AT Perry Wake Forest.. 6'3 198 lbs.. big target, that plays faster than his 40 of 4.47.. smooth routes & gets open
Thanks for the list and the write-up Gumbs! Well done. I'm hearing a lot of good stuff about Zay Flowers.
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I REALLY like seeing Parker Washington has a compact 5'10" frame at 204 lbs with strength of 16 reps so it looks like we could line him up on the line of scrimmage when/if necessary.
I know you have a lot of familiarity with the local guys you see in the Carolinas and ACC. If you're like me, you'd like to see your local studs end up with Cleveland. EDIT: I just cut and pasted 2nd and 3rd round mock drafts (in the next post) from 2 guys with Clevelandbrowns.com where 1 has the Browns drafting Josh Brown in round 2 and a DL in round 3. If you had your choice, would you go with the Carolina Kid or the better RAS if it came down to Mingo or Downs? I get the feeling there's a little James Taylor vibe working here - "In my mind I'm gone to Carolina..."
Hey Flug,
If I had a choice? If the RAS website was not a sorry site to compare players( it shows some, than not some), it would have been a 6 pack of WR's.. Zay Flowers vs AT Perry's RAS would not compare.. The best fit for the Browns imo?
1. Marvin Mims Oklahoma. 5'10 183/ speed/twitch .. 40 time 4.38.3-Cone 6.90.. don't think he gets to us at pick 40's?
2a). Zay Flowers BC (climate ready) 5'10 182 lbs. best WR in ACC/imo.. Josh Downs had a QB/not Flowers/ just get the ball in his radius area code..deep threat with twitch/yac is a browns need..finished his career as BC's all-time leader in career receptions (200), career receiving yards (3,056) and career receiving touchdowns (29).
2b.).. Parker Washington 5' 10" 204lbs.. pending pro day.. Zay or Parker?.. I'd be thrilled with either.. could not choose even when Parker's ankle injury happened.. You don't find many 5'10 college WR's like Parker with over 10" hands.. drops nothing & climate ready
4. Jonathan Mingo.. thick w/AJ Brown speed & durability..a 4.46 40 at 6'1" 220lbs..
5. Josh Downs.. 5'9 171 lbs. soaking wet.. 40 of 4.48.. good 10 split, if not jammed at 5 yrds. I lost money watching Josh drop balls in ACC champ game.. clearly, still not over it
.. pushed Mingo ahead
6. AT Perry Wake Forest.. 6'3 198 lbs.. big target, that plays faster than his 40 of 4.47.. smooth routes & gets open
Hey Flug,
If I had a choice? If the RAS website was not a sorry site to compare players( it shows some, than not some), it would have been a 6 pack of WR's.. Zay Flowers vs AT Perry's RAS would not compare.. The best fit for the Browns imo?
1. Marvin Mims Oklahoma. 5'10 183/ speed/twitch .. 40 time 4.38.3-Cone 6.90.. don't think he gets to us at pick 40's?
2a). Zay Flowers BC (climate ready) 5'10 182 lbs. best WR in ACC/imo.. Josh Downs had a QB/not Flowers/ just get the ball in his radius area code..deep threat with twitch/yac is a browns need..finished his career as BC's all-time leader in career receptions (200), career receiving yards (3,056) and career receiving touchdowns (29).
2b.).. Parker Washington 5' 10" 204lbs.. pending pro day.. Zay or Parker?.. I'd be thrilled with either.. could not choose even when Parker's ankle injury happened.. You don't find many 5'10 college WR's like Parker with over 10" hands.. drops nothing & climate ready
4. Jonathan Mingo.. thick w/AJ Brown speed & durability..a 4.46 40 at 6'1" 220lbs..
5. Josh Downs.. 5'9 171 lbs. soaking wet.. 40 of 4.48.. good 10 split, if not jammed at 5 yrds. I lost money watching Josh drop balls in ACC champ game.. clearly, still not over it
.. pushed Mingo ahead
6. AT Perry Wake Forest.. 6'3 198 lbs.. big target, that plays faster than his 40 of 4.47.. smooth routes & gets open
What no "Bobble" Boutte WR LSU for you??
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I still think the draft is about BPA.
That said, needs do come in to play. I think needs and BPA will joint for us this year and a receiver will be the selection in round 2. There are several receivers who should be available that will fall in to a grouping of players from which we can choose.
By that I mean you can probably make a nice, neat list of the top 10-15 players, but after that groups of players begin to grade out the same, or close enough to allow some flexibility in your choice.
The wildcard is if somebody starts to fall. At that point you probably just need to take the guy and readjust your draft plans.
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I still think the draft is about BPA.
That said, needs do come in to play. I think needs and BPA will joint for us this year and a receiver will be the selection in round 2. There are several receivers who should be available that will fall in to a grouping of players from which we can choose.
By that I mean you can probably make a nice, neat list of the top 10-15 players, but after that groups of players begin to grade out the same, or close enough to allow some flexibility in your choice.
The wildcard is if somebody starts to fall. At that point you probably just need to take the guy and readjust your draft plans.
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Seems like there are a few every year.
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I still think the draft is about BPA.
That said, needs do come in to play. I think needs and BPA will joint for us this year and a receiver will be the selection in round 2. There are several receivers who should be available that will fall in to a grouping of players from which we can choose.
By that I mean you can probably make a nice, neat list of the top 10-15 players, but after that groups of players begin to grade out the same, or close enough to allow some flexibility in your choice.
The wildcard is if somebody starts to fall. At that point you probably just need to take the guy and readjust your draft plans.
I still think the draft is about BPA.
That said, needs do come in to play. I think needs and BPA will joint for us this year and a receiver will be the selection in round 2. There are several receivers who should be available that will fall in to a grouping of players from which we can choose.
By that I mean you can probably make a nice, neat list of the top 10-15 players, but after that groups of players begin to grade out the same, or close enough to allow some flexibility in your choice.
The wildcard is if somebody starts to fall. At that point you probably just need to take the guy and readjust your draft plans.
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Hey Flug,
If I had a choice? If the RAS website was not a sorry site to compare players( it shows some, than not some), it would have been a 6 pack of WR's.. Zay Flowers vs AT Perry's RAS would not compare.. The best fit for the Browns imo?
1. Marvin Mims Oklahoma. 5'10 183/ speed/twitch .. 40 time 4.38.3-Cone 6.90.. don't think he gets to us at pick 40's?
2a). Zay Flowers BC (climate ready) 5'10 182 lbs. best WR in ACC/imo.. Josh Downs had a QB/not Flowers/ just get the ball in his radius area code..deep threat with twitch/yac is a browns need..finished his career as BC's all-time leader in career receptions (200), career receiving yards (3,056) and career receiving touchdowns (29).
2b.).. Parker Washington 5' 10" 204lbs.. pending pro day.. Zay or Parker?.. I'd be thrilled with either.. could not choose even when Parker's ankle injury happened.. You don't find many 5'10 college WR's like Parker with over 10" hands.. drops nothing & climate ready
4. Jonathan Mingo.. thick w/AJ Brown speed & durability..a 4.46 40 at 6'1" 220lbs..
5. Josh Downs.. 5'9 171 lbs. soaking wet.. 40 of 4.48.. good 10 split, if not jammed at 5 yrds. I lost money watching Josh drop balls in ACC champ game.. clearly, still not over it
.. pushed Mingo ahead
6. AT Perry Wake Forest.. 6'3 198 lbs.. big target, that plays faster than his 40 of 4.47.. smooth routes & gets open
Thanks for the list and the write-up Gumbs! Well done. I'm hearing a lot of good stuff about Zay Flowers.
I'm hearing a lot of good stuff about Zay Flowers.
What no "Bobble" Boutte WR LSU for you??
No ! hard Pass ! ^^
Fans or not fans of Panthers/Ravens WR Steve Smith Sr..
Youtube Steve Smith Sr. Cut to it breakdowns of this seasons WR class ?..
Example.... Zay Flowers..
insane out route cuts all over his game-tape
I'm starting to lose hope Zay Flowers gets to the 2nd Round ?No thanks to #89 Smitty
Morning Taps & Happy St. Patty Friday ?
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I'm hearing a lot of good stuff about Zay Flowers.
What no "Bobble" Boutte WR LSU for you??
No ! hard Pass ! ^^
Fans or not fans of Panthers/Ravens WR Steve Smith Sr..
Youtube Steve Smith Sr. Cut to it breakdowns of this seasons WR class ?..
Example.... Zay Flowers..
insane out route cuts all over his game-tape
I'm starting to lose hope Zay Flowers gets to the 2nd Round ?No thanks to #89 Smitty
Morning Taps & Happy St. Patty Friday ?
No ! hard Pass ! ^^
Fans or not fans of Panthers/Ravens WR Steve Smith Sr..
Youtube Steve Smith Sr. Cut to it breakdowns of this seasons WR class ?..
Example.... Zay Flowers..
insane out route cuts all over his game-tape
I'm starting to lose hope Zay Flowers gets to the 2nd Round ?
Morning Taps & Happy St. Patty Friday ?
Backatchya Gumbs! ?
Yeah, you're probably right; but there's a lot of intriguing WR prospects that can help us at #42 (and later believe it or not). The Chiefs don't have to be the only team capable of finding a guy like Tyreek Hill in round 5 do they? Every draft rewards teams that do their homework/research beyond the first few rounds. This one won't be any different. Once upon a time we landed Brian Brennan in round 4 (in 84); and Elizabeth City State's Reggie Langhorne in round 7 (in 85). These were productive receivers on our playoff teams that erased so many 4th quarter deficits they were called the Kardiac Kids. Luck of the find rewards the diligence of the search IMO.
I'd love to see us add a good change of direction guy. I think this is what our WR Corps lack more than anything.
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I REALLY like seeing Parker Washington has a compact 5'10" frame at 204 lbs with strength of 16 reps so it looks like we could line him up on the line of scrimmage when/if necessary.
I know you have a lot of familiarity with the local guys you see in the Carolinas and ACC. If you're like me, you'd like to see your local studs end up with Cleveland. EDIT: I just cut and pasted 2nd and 3rd round mock drafts (in the next post) from 2 guys with Clevelandbrowns.com where 1 has the Browns drafting Josh Brown in round 2 and a DL in round 3. If you had your choice, would you go with the Carolina Kid or the better RAS if it came down to Mingo or Downs? I get the feeling there's a little James Taylor vibe working here - "In my mind I'm gone to Carolina..."
Hey Flug,
If I had a choice? If the RAS website was not a sorry site to compare players( it shows some, than not some), it would have been a 6 pack of WR's.. Zay Flowers vs AT Perry's RAS would not compare.. The best fit for the Browns imo?
1. Marvin Mims Oklahoma. 5'10 183/ speed/twitch .. 40 time 4.38.3-Cone 6.90.. don't think he gets to us at pick 40's?
2a). Zay Flowers BC (climate ready) 5'10 182 lbs. best WR in ACC/imo.. Josh Downs had a QB/not Flowers/ just get the ball in his radius area code..deep threat with twitch/yac is a browns need..finished his career as BC's all-time leader in career receptions (200), career receiving yards (3,056) and career receiving touchdowns (29).
2b.).. Parker Washington 5' 10" 204lbs.. pending pro day.. Zay or Parker?.. I'd be thrilled with either.. could not choose even when Parker's ankle injury happened.. You don't find many 5'10 college WR's like Parker with over 10" hands.. drops nothing & climate ready
4. Jonathan Mingo.. thick w/AJ Brown speed & durability..a 4.46 40 at 6'1" 220lbs..
5. Josh Downs.. 5'9 171 lbs. soaking wet.. 40 of 4.48.. good 10 split, if not jammed at 5 yrds. I lost money watching Josh drop balls in ACC champ game.. clearly, still not over it
.. pushed Mingo ahead
6. AT Perry Wake Forest.. 6'3 198 lbs.. big target, that plays faster than his 40 of 4.47.. smooth routes & gets open
Hey Flug,
If I had a choice? If the RAS website was not a sorry site to compare players( it shows some, than not some), it would have been a 6 pack of WR's.. Zay Flowers vs AT Perry's RAS would not compare.. The best fit for the Browns imo?
1. Marvin Mims Oklahoma. 5'10 183/ speed/twitch .. 40 time 4.38.3-Cone 6.90.. don't think he gets to us at pick 40's?
2a). Zay Flowers BC (climate ready) 5'10 182 lbs. best WR in ACC/imo.. Josh Downs had a QB/not Flowers/ just get the ball in his radius area code..deep threat with twitch/yac is a browns need..finished his career as BC's all-time leader in career receptions (200), career receiving yards (3,056) and career receiving touchdowns (29).
2b.).. Parker Washington 5' 10" 204lbs.. pending pro day.. Zay or Parker?.. I'd be thrilled with either.. could not choose even when Parker's ankle injury happened.. You don't find many 5'10 college WR's like Parker with over 10" hands.. drops nothing & climate ready
4. Jonathan Mingo.. thick w/AJ Brown speed & durability..a 4.46 40 at 6'1" 220lbs..
5. Josh Downs.. 5'9 171 lbs. soaking wet.. 40 of 4.48.. good 10 split, if not jammed at 5 yrds. I lost money watching Josh drop balls in ACC champ game.. clearly, still not over it
.. pushed Mingo ahead
6. AT Perry Wake Forest.. 6'3 198 lbs.. big target, that plays faster than his 40 of 4.47.. smooth routes & gets open
Here's some highlights for the guy (Parker Washington) that caught Dutch's eye against Ohio State. This guy definitely has some goodies for our passing game. Looks like he's a good punt returner as well... Lindy's Draft Guide ranks him as their #12 WR, 5'9" 210 lbs, 4.47 40 time with a 3rd round projection.
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Here's Lindy's Draft Guide's 11th ranked WR Andrei Josivas at 6'3" 201 lbs projected for round 3 - they list his 40 time as 4.39. (They have Parker Washington from the previous post ranked 12th). Who knows how accurate the Guide is at this point? But it provides some draft research with strengths and weaknesses for each. It goes over all the position groups and gives each group a grade for 2023. The WRs were given a B-.
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Lindy's #7 - #9 ranked WRs
#7 Josh Downs, North Carolina, 5'10" 171 lbs. 4.46 40 time. 2nd round projection.
# 8 Marvin Mims, Oklahoma WR, 5'11" 182 lbs, 4.37 40 time, 2nd round projection.
#9 Rakim Jarrett, Maryland WR, 6'0" 190 lbs, 4.37 40 time, 2nd round projection.
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Hey Flug,
If I had a choice? If the RAS website was not a sorry site to compare players( it shows some, than not some), it would have been a 6 pack of WR's.. Zay Flowers vs AT Perry's RAS would not compare.. The best fit for the Browns imo?
1. Marvin Mims Oklahoma. 5'10 183/ speed/twitch .. 40 time 4.38.3-Cone 6.90.. don't think he gets to us at pick 40's?
2a). Zay Flowers BC (climate ready) 5'10 182 lbs. best WR in ACC/imo.. Josh Downs had a QB/not Flowers/ just get the ball in his radius area code..deep threat with twitch/yac is a browns need..finished his career as BC's all-time leader in career receptions (200), career receiving yards (3,056) and career receiving touchdowns (29).
2b.).. Parker Washington 5' 10" 204lbs.. pending pro day.. Zay or Parker?.. I'd be thrilled with either.. could not choose even when Parker's ankle injury happened.. You don't find many 5'10 college WR's like Parker with over 10" hands.. drops nothing & climate ready
4. Jonathan Mingo.. thick w/AJ Brown speed & durability..a 4.46 40 at 6'1" 220lbs..
5. Josh Downs.. 5'9 171 lbs. soaking wet.. 40 of 4.48.. good 10 split, if not jammed at 5 yrds. I lost money watching Josh drop balls in ACC champ game.. clearly, still not over it
.. pushed Mingo ahead
6. AT Perry Wake Forest.. 6'3 198 lbs.. big target, that plays faster than his 40 of 4.47.. smooth routes & gets open
Here's some highlights for the guy (Parker Washington) that caught Dutch's eye against Ohio State. This guy definitely has some goodies for our passing game. Looks like he's a good punt returner as well... Lindy's Draft Guide ranks him as their #12 WR, 5'9" 210 lbs, 4.47 40 time with a 3rd round projection.
Here's some highlights for the guy (Parker Washington) that caught Dutch's eye against Ohio State. This guy definitely has some goodies for our passing game. Looks like he's a good punt returner as well...
Agreed! The Factory of Cornerbacks of Columbus.Ohio had a rough day vs Parker Washington that day..
The Factory faces a youth overhaul into 2023 in the secondary... Recruited a nice class of now sophomores.. Hope to see them back to Buckeye balling soon
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Cleveland Browns
Round 2, Pick 42
Keeanu Benton
Calijah Kancey
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Bryan Bresee
Siaki Ika
Tuli Tuipulotu
member edit-Zach Pickens
member edit-Gervon Dexter
Adetomiwa AdebaworeIsaiah FoskeyZach HarrisonSydney BrownChris Smith IIJordan BattleOT
Anton Harrison
Dawand Jones
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Darnell Wright
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TE
Darnell Washington
Luke Musgrave
Zay Flowers
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Jalin Hyatt
Marvin Mims
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Pool of 30 that may get to #42.. but may not get to pick #98
like 10 & 7 are real iffy they get to #43
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Whom you want to add? or Delete ?
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At this moment, I'm very much on the Jack Campbell or Mazi Smith bandwagons for the 2nd round pick.
A WR or DE would be super and/or duper there too.
I'm sure best player available and need can converge for the Browns there. They could use help all over the roster.
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