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  • Dutch Oven Dutch OvenD Dedicated Conversation Starter Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Reacting Well One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    The Browns trading for Jerry Jeudy rumors are the turd that just won't flush.

    Latest one I saw is the Browns trading #42 and Greg Newsome for him. That seems STEEP.

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      @dutch-oven said:

      Hopefully he comes through, because the WR unit starts looking pretty thin in the future if he doesn't.

      DPJ is a free agent after this season and Schwartz might be lucky to make the team. 

      At this point, Schwartz not making it doesn't make us any thinner.  It can only go up if the guy has somehow learned to catch, which I doubt since most people learn how to do that when they are 9 years old. 

      If you were never hit in the face by a baseball, you never learned to catch or learned at an early age.

      I'd make Schwarts field about 50 fly balls.  If he can't catch or at least track them, forget him.  If you can run 25 yards and catch a baseball, a football is easy peasy.

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      OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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      @ballpeen said:

      learned to catch, which I doubt since most people learn how to do that when they are 9 years old. 

      With some people, self preservation is the issue.  They're afraid of getting hit...so they lose concentration and look for someone who's going to tackle them before actually catching the ball.  Braylon Edwards was a great example of that.  Derick Anderson could throw a bomb over the top and Edwards would make these truly great catches.  But to catch an easy ball over the middle for a 1st down.....he drops it...because he's afraid he might get a boo-boo.  And Schwartz is a skinny guy...who's gotten hit and hurt, who's gotten hit and concussed.  It's probably hard for him to suppress the self preservation reflex.   

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        Marquise Goodwin stopped in for a visit.  That would be a good affordable pickup.  I mentioned him mid season last year.  World class speed and a veteran who has stuck around for awhile. 

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        gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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        @sdbacker80 said:

        Marquise Goodwin stopped in for a visit.  That would be a good affordable pickup.  I mentioned him mid season last year.  World class speed and a veteran who has stuck around for awhile. 

        With a cap of around 9m left.. This might be the best we can do ?

        Goodwin played with Geno Smith at the Hawks last season.. Durable in 13 games, with over 400 snaps .. 4 TD's.. played last season for 1.275M.. age 32 until Nov .. 

        Good WR3.. adds Injury insurance to the room 

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          TypicalBrowns50T TypicalBrowns50 wrote on last edited by
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          Elijah Moore, welcome to the club. Had a horrible qb last year. Will get way more opportunities here

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            Elijah Moore, welcome to the club. Had a horrible qb last year. Will get way more opportunities here

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            @typicalbrowns50 said:

            Elijah Moore, welcome to the club. Had a horrible qb last year. Will get way more opportunities here

            Which is why they need a higher draft pick in dealing for Rodgers.

            OH, and adios Schwartz. Last of the dropped easy catches hopefully.

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              @typicalbrowns50 said:

              Elijah Moore, welcome to the club. Had a horrible qb last year. Will get way more opportunities here

              Which is why they need a higher draft pick in dealing for Rodgers.

              OH, and adios Schwartz. Last of the dropped easy catches hopefully.

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              Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by Bob806
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              @texasag1969 said:

              Which is why they need a higher draft pick in dealing for Rodgers.

              Is this guy going to be better than Bell or Mike Woods?

              I'm skeptical, sorry. Trading our picks has been a disaster. 

              Well, some of our picks have been a disaster.

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                Mr. Make-BelieveM Mr. Make-Believe wrote on last edited by
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                Moore is precisely the kind of receiver they needed. Real burner. Cheap. Young. Great compliment. 
                 

                Fuck I’m excited. These bastards are reeling me back. 

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                  @texasag1969 said:

                  Which is why they need a higher draft pick in dealing for Rodgers.

                  Is this guy going to be better than Bell or Mike Woods?

                  I'm skeptical, sorry. Trading our picks has been a disaster. 

                  Well, some of our picks have been a disaster.

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                  runyon27R runyon27 wrote on last edited by
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                  @bob806 said:

                  Is this guy going to be better than Bell or Mike Woods?

                  I'm skeptical, sorry. Trading our picks has been a disaster. 

                  Well, some of our picks have been a disaster.

                  In this case we just traded back about 30 spots to get Moore. I think this is a low risk move for a player with potential, speed, and low contract.

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                    BernieSuperBowl2B BernieSuperBowl2 wrote on last edited by
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                    Wow, I love this Elijah Moore trade. Great move for a young WR with a lot of potential at a cheap cost. 

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                      U Unsympathetic wrote on last edited by
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                      Great move.. Upgrades at every position are always important, and today WR3 and therefore also WR4 are better than they were yesterday.

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                        S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
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                        Moore is 22…may as well be a draft pick he’s as old as some of them. 
                         

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                          Moore is 22…may as well be a draft pick he’s as old as some of them. 
                           

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                          sydS syd wrote on last edited by syd
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                          @sdbacker80 said:

                          Moore is 22…may as well be a draft pick he’s as old as some of them. 
                           

                          with NFL experience another steal, Cooper last year Cleveland again is the place where other teams go to lose in  WR'S trades

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                            OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                            He's a smurf.  (an Elf, since he's a Brown now).  5' 10"  179 lb.     56%  catch percentage.   I don't see him as being 'the answer'.   (Elijah, the savior)

                            ...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land.  3rd round.    But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would.  Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.

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                              He's a smurf.  (an Elf, since he's a Brown now).  5' 10"  179 lb.     56%  catch percentage.   I don't see him as being 'the answer'.   (Elijah, the savior)

                              ...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land.  3rd round.    But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would.  Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.

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                              S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by SdBacker80
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                              @orion said:

                              He's a smurf.  (an Elf, since he's a Brown now).  5' 10"  179 lb.     56%  catch percentage.   I don't see him as being 'the answer'.   (Elijah, the savior)

                              ...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land.  3rd round.    But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would.  Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.

                              We aren’t asking him to be the answer.  Just eat up the 2nd and 3rd best corners and be a decoy at times and stretch the field. 
                               

                              i don’t like the negative attitude he had last year though 

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                                ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                                  He's a smurf.  (an Elf, since he's a Brown now).  5' 10"  179 lb.     56%  catch percentage.   I don't see him as being 'the answer'.   (Elijah, the savior)

                                  ...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land.  3rd round.    But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would.  Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.

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                                  FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by Flugel
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                                  @orion said:

                                  He's a smurf.  (an Elf, since he's a Brown now).  5' 10"  179 lb.     56%  catch percentage.   I don't see him as being 'the answer'.   (Elijah, the savior)

                                  ...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land.  3rd round.    But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would.  Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.

                                  Agreed.   Berry got a Dollar Store band aid and a Walmart Cola for the price of a 2nd round pick.   Who would do such a thing?  Oh yeah, the guy that reached way up in to round 3 for a WR like Anthony Schwartz.  This will be our 2nd year in a row of entering the draft in round 3.  Last year, Berry started the draft with a corner who was impressive enough to have Berry's 1st round Corner (Newsome) eventually reduced to covering the slot. 

                                  One thing written about the selection of Elijah Moore coming out of Mississippi before his rookie year was "he never played with an elite QB."  This will be one of the excuses why he was a backup Slot Receiver in NY.  Garrett Wilson, who DID play with an elite QB or 2 in college - played pretty well as a rookie WR for the Jets in spite of their QB situation. 

                                  When your favorite team doesn't have a GM that is very good or confident in his ability to draft anything beyond Cornerbacks - you're paying more for temporary band aids previously drafted by other teams for positions that have been neglected here. 

                                  Is this what we're reduced to doing every year?  Rooting for free agent moves or trades like this - because we have a FO incapable of competing in the draft?  We got a BACKUP Slot Receiver for the 42nd overall pick.  I'm just frustrated; but I see we have people popping champagne about this trade in another thread.  Let's hope he's everything our fans want him to be.  

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                                    I don't see downside to this move.  He's better than the current WR3 and WR4 on the roster, and he's better than any WR who would have been available if we'd used the "entire" second-round pick on a WR.  Moore played 30% of his snaps [scroll down, right outside+left outside] last season outside - he can be WR2 as well.

                                    Sure, he's not "The Savior" - because no savior exists.  The roster is improved only small-move-by-small-move.

                                    Bell was our WR3 last season based on snaps -- and even if the same 3 plus Moore rotate, the fact that Moore is better at achieving separation will generate better results for all the WR's because now you can't ignore our WR3.. or shut him down with a backup linebacker.

                                    Fun fact: DPJ lined up more in the slot last season [same link above] than he did outside.  Is he "A Slot Receiver?" No - Like Moore, he's a receiver. They line up wherever they're asked..

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                                      ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                                      Moore is good.  Some people just don't know it.

                                      He is exactly the type of receiver Watson needs.  He needs a quick guy who can adjust on the fly.  Watson breaks the pocket a lot and needs a receiver who recognizes that and adjusts to the new play in progress.

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                                        Moore is good.  Some people just don't know it.

                                        He is exactly the type of receiver Watson needs.  He needs a quick guy who can adjust on the fly.  Watson breaks the pocket a lot and needs a receiver who recognizes that and adjusts to the new play in progress.

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                                        OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                                        @ballpeen said:

                                        He is exactly the type of receiver Watson needs.  He needs a quick guy who can adjust on the fly.

                                        A Landry...Welker.  If that's what he is, then good.  We need one.  I had hoped Bell would be that guy, but he didn't look like it.  

                                        Moore's 56% catch rate could, in theory be from bad QB play.  It's what they want us to believe...so, hopefully that's the case.  Me, I'm back to hoping that my 6' 4" Weston turns out to be a player.

                                        @flugel said:

                                        reached way up in to round 3 for a WR like Anthony Schwartz

                                        They want a burner.  It's been reported that we have one of the slowest WR groups.  - Weston's not slow.  C'mon Weston!

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                                          @orion said:

                                          He's a smurf.  (an Elf, since he's a Brown now).  5' 10"  179 lb.     56%  catch percentage.   I don't see him as being 'the answer'.   (Elijah, the savior)

                                          ...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land.  3rd round.    But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would.  Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.

                                          Agreed.   Berry got a Dollar Store band aid and a Walmart Cola for the price of a 2nd round pick.   Who would do such a thing?  Oh yeah, the guy that reached way up in to round 3 for a WR like Anthony Schwartz.  This will be our 2nd year in a row of entering the draft in round 3.  Last year, Berry started the draft with a corner who was impressive enough to have Berry's 1st round Corner (Newsome) eventually reduced to covering the slot. 

                                          One thing written about the selection of Elijah Moore coming out of Mississippi before his rookie year was "he never played with an elite QB."  This will be one of the excuses why he was a backup Slot Receiver in NY.  Garrett Wilson, who DID play with an elite QB or 2 in college - played pretty well as a rookie WR for the Jets in spite of their QB situation. 

                                          When your favorite team doesn't have a GM that is very good or confident in his ability to draft anything beyond Cornerbacks - you're paying more for temporary band aids previously drafted by other teams for positions that have been neglected here. 

                                          Is this what we're reduced to doing every year?  Rooting for free agent moves or trades like this - because we have a FO incapable of competing in the draft?  We got a BACKUP Slot Receiver for the 42nd overall pick.  I'm just frustrated; but I see we have people popping champagne about this trade in another thread.  Let's hope he's everything our fans want him to be.  

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                                          Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                                          @flugel said:

                                          Is this what we're reduced to doing every year?  Rooting for free agent moves or trades like this - because we have a FO incapable of competing in the draft?  We got a BACKUP Slot Receiver for the 42nd overall pick.  I'm just frustrated; but I see we have people popping champagne about this trade in another thread.  Let's hope he's everything our fans want him to be.  

                                          This is what happens when you have a front office that knows they are probably one more missed playoff year from getting shitcanned. (And why I've been predicting a remaining highish pick being traded for a vet player instead of being used on a draft pick. At least with this one, they just dropped down, but still....)

                                          We've seen this movie before. Butch Davis made win-now moves that killed this franchise for years. Phil Savage traded away a draft class trying to get over the hump after the near-miss of 2007.

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