Wide Receiver
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Hopefully he comes through, because the WR unit starts looking pretty thin in the future if he doesn't.
DPJ is a free agent after this season and Schwartz might be lucky to make the team.
At this point, Schwartz not making it doesn't make us any thinner. It can only go up if the guy has somehow learned to catch, which I doubt since most people learn how to do that when they are 9 years old.
If you were never hit in the face by a baseball, you never learned to catch or learned at an early age.
I'd make Schwarts field about 50 fly balls. If he can't catch or at least track them, forget him. If you can run 25 yards and catch a baseball, a football is easy peasy.
learned to catch, which I doubt since most people learn how to do that when they are 9 years old.
With some people, self preservation is the issue. They're afraid of getting hit...so they lose concentration and look for someone who's going to tackle them before actually catching the ball. Braylon Edwards was a great example of that. Derick Anderson could throw a bomb over the top and Edwards would make these truly great catches. But to catch an easy ball over the middle for a 1st down.....he drops it...because he's afraid he might get a boo-boo. And Schwartz is a skinny guy...who's gotten hit and hurt, who's gotten hit and concussed. It's probably hard for him to suppress the self preservation reflex.
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Marquise Goodwin stopped in for a visit. That would be a good affordable pickup. I mentioned him mid season last year. World class speed and a veteran who has stuck around for awhile.
Marquise Goodwin stopped in for a visit. That would be a good affordable pickup. I mentioned him mid season last year. World class speed and a veteran who has stuck around for awhile.
With a cap of around 9m left.. This might be the best we can do ?
Goodwin played with Geno Smith at the Hawks last season.. Durable in 13 games, with over 400 snaps .. 4 TD's.. played last season for 1.275M.. age 32 until Nov ..
Good WR3.. adds Injury insurance to the room
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Elijah Moore, welcome to the club. Had a horrible qb last year. Will get way more opportunities here
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Elijah Moore, welcome to the club. Had a horrible qb last year. Will get way more opportunities here
Elijah Moore, welcome to the club. Had a horrible qb last year. Will get way more opportunities here
Which is why they need a higher draft pick in dealing for Rodgers.
OH, and adios Schwartz. Last of the dropped easy catches hopefully.
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Elijah Moore, welcome to the club. Had a horrible qb last year. Will get way more opportunities here
Which is why they need a higher draft pick in dealing for Rodgers.
OH, and adios Schwartz. Last of the dropped easy catches hopefully.
Which is why they need a higher draft pick in dealing for Rodgers.
Is this guy going to be better than Bell or Mike Woods?
I'm skeptical, sorry. Trading our picks has been a disaster.
Well, some of our picks have been a disaster.
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Moore is precisely the kind of receiver they needed. Real burner. Cheap. Young. Great compliment.
Fuck I’m excited. These bastards are reeling me back.
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Which is why they need a higher draft pick in dealing for Rodgers.
Is this guy going to be better than Bell or Mike Woods?
I'm skeptical, sorry. Trading our picks has been a disaster.
Well, some of our picks have been a disaster.
Is this guy going to be better than Bell or Mike Woods?
I'm skeptical, sorry. Trading our picks has been a disaster.
Well, some of our picks have been a disaster.
In this case we just traded back about 30 spots to get Moore. I think this is a low risk move for a player with potential, speed, and low contract.
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Wow, I love this Elijah Moore trade. Great move for a young WR with a lot of potential at a cheap cost.
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Great move.. Upgrades at every position are always important, and today WR3 and therefore also WR4 are better than they were yesterday.
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Moore is 22…may as well be a draft pick he’s as old as some of them.
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Moore is 22…may as well be a draft pick he’s as old as some of them.
Moore is 22…may as well be a draft pick he’s as old as some of them.
with NFL experience another steal, Cooper last year Cleveland again is the place where other teams go to lose in WR'S trades
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He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
We aren’t asking him to be the answer. Just eat up the 2nd and 3rd best corners and be a decoy at times and stretch the field.
i don’t like the negative attitude he had last year though
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He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
Agreed. Berry got a Dollar Store band aid and a Walmart Cola for the price of a 2nd round pick. Who would do such a thing? Oh yeah, the guy that reached way up in to round 3 for a WR like Anthony Schwartz. This will be our 2nd year in a row of entering the draft in round 3. Last year, Berry started the draft with a corner who was impressive enough to have Berry's 1st round Corner (Newsome) eventually reduced to covering the slot.
One thing written about the selection of Elijah Moore coming out of Mississippi before his rookie year was "he never played with an elite QB." This will be one of the excuses why he was a backup Slot Receiver in NY. Garrett Wilson, who DID play with an elite QB or 2 in college - played pretty well as a rookie WR for the Jets in spite of their QB situation.
When your favorite team doesn't have a GM that is very good or confident in his ability to draft anything beyond Cornerbacks - you're paying more for temporary band aids previously drafted by other teams for positions that have been neglected here.
Is this what we're reduced to doing every year? Rooting for free agent moves or trades like this - because we have a FO incapable of competing in the draft? We got a BACKUP Slot Receiver for the 42nd overall pick. I'm just frustrated; but I see we have people popping champagne about this trade in another thread. Let's hope he's everything our fans want him to be.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I don't see downside to this move. He's better than the current WR3 and WR4 on the roster, and he's better than any WR who would have been available if we'd used the "entire" second-round pick on a WR. Moore played 30% of his snaps [scroll down, right outside+left outside] last season outside - he can be WR2 as well.
Sure, he's not "The Savior" - because no savior exists. The roster is improved only small-move-by-small-move.
Bell was our WR3 last season based on snaps -- and even if the same 3 plus Moore rotate, the fact that Moore is better at achieving separation will generate better results for all the WR's because now you can't ignore our WR3.. or shut him down with a backup linebacker.
Fun fact: DPJ lined up more in the slot last season [same link above] than he did outside. Is he "A Slot Receiver?" No - Like Moore, he's a receiver. They line up wherever they're asked..
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Moore is good. Some people just don't know it.
He is exactly the type of receiver Watson needs. He needs a quick guy who can adjust on the fly. Watson breaks the pocket a lot and needs a receiver who recognizes that and adjusts to the new play in progress.
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Moore is good. Some people just don't know it.
He is exactly the type of receiver Watson needs. He needs a quick guy who can adjust on the fly. Watson breaks the pocket a lot and needs a receiver who recognizes that and adjusts to the new play in progress.
He is exactly the type of receiver Watson needs. He needs a quick guy who can adjust on the fly.
A Landry...Welker. If that's what he is, then good. We need one. I had hoped Bell would be that guy, but he didn't look like it.
Moore's 56% catch rate could, in theory be from bad QB play. It's what they want us to believe...so, hopefully that's the case. Me, I'm back to hoping that my 6' 4" Weston turns out to be a player.
reached way up in to round 3 for a WR like Anthony Schwartz
They want a burner. It's been reported that we have one of the slowest WR groups. - Weston's not slow. C'mon Weston!
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He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
Agreed. Berry got a Dollar Store band aid and a Walmart Cola for the price of a 2nd round pick. Who would do such a thing? Oh yeah, the guy that reached way up in to round 3 for a WR like Anthony Schwartz. This will be our 2nd year in a row of entering the draft in round 3. Last year, Berry started the draft with a corner who was impressive enough to have Berry's 1st round Corner (Newsome) eventually reduced to covering the slot.
One thing written about the selection of Elijah Moore coming out of Mississippi before his rookie year was "he never played with an elite QB." This will be one of the excuses why he was a backup Slot Receiver in NY. Garrett Wilson, who DID play with an elite QB or 2 in college - played pretty well as a rookie WR for the Jets in spite of their QB situation.
When your favorite team doesn't have a GM that is very good or confident in his ability to draft anything beyond Cornerbacks - you're paying more for temporary band aids previously drafted by other teams for positions that have been neglected here.
Is this what we're reduced to doing every year? Rooting for free agent moves or trades like this - because we have a FO incapable of competing in the draft? We got a BACKUP Slot Receiver for the 42nd overall pick. I'm just frustrated; but I see we have people popping champagne about this trade in another thread. Let's hope he's everything our fans want him to be.
Is this what we're reduced to doing every year? Rooting for free agent moves or trades like this - because we have a FO incapable of competing in the draft? We got a BACKUP Slot Receiver for the 42nd overall pick. I'm just frustrated; but I see we have people popping champagne about this trade in another thread. Let's hope he's everything our fans want him to be.
This is what happens when you have a front office that knows they are probably one more missed playoff year from getting shitcanned. (And why I've been predicting a remaining highish pick being traded for a vet player instead of being used on a draft pick. At least with this one, they just dropped down, but still....)
We've seen this movie before. Butch Davis made win-now moves that killed this franchise for years. Phil Savage traded away a draft class trying to get over the hump after the near-miss of 2007.
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Most of the way through all of Moore's snaps week 1 and 2.
Explosive and strong off the snap.
When he's on ball (los) either outside or in, he does a good job with his hands to avoid DBs getting clean contact on their bumps/jams.
Great feel for zone expansion. Really knows how to be a presentable target and when/where to throttle his routes.
Strong hands and good catch radius outside his frame for only being 5'10.
His short area burst is elite. His downfield speed is a different story. The definition of ' quicker than fast'.
I mentioned the Ravens have Kyle Hamilton and they like to use him as their nickel DB. I've also pointed out that the Browns need structure and personnel to improve their horizontal/intermediate passing game. Moore appears to be a piece in taking that step forward. You may ask why I mention Hamilton specifically? His weakness is defending lateral explosion, the horizontal passing game. A couple times the Browns got Cooper on him with great results, but the next defensive adjustment from BLT meant that we're going to have to rely on DPJ and Bell more. Elijah helps stay ahead of that adjustment but making him the matchup against the overhang DB (Hamilton) while allowing us to continue to move Coop and Njoku around the formation.
It's not a 'savior' move as much as it's a move about getting a certain type of body this front office and coaching staff feel they can coach into a blooming season in coordination with Watson.
Mahomes' has Kelce, the Y option and the various post-snap route adjustments he makes when they're both on the same page and reading the same coverages (plus the scramble drill)
Watson will now have Moore and Z/H choice and the various post-snap coverage adjustments they can develop a go-to chemistry with. But instead of having a 6.5 TE who runs a 4.6, we have a 5'10 WR who runs a 4.3.
This trade isn't sexy, but it can be VERY effective if Moore is getting 85 targets, 60 catches and making a high proportion of those 1st down snags.
So many of you older guys rave about Brian Brennan being such an underrated but key cog of the 80s Browns offenses with Bernie, I'm shocked to see those same guys be dismissive of a potentially similar combination here.
Edit:. Moore 2021 7.0 YPT
Moore 2022 6.9 YPT
WW 2010 6.9 YPT
WW 2013 7.0 YPT
Who is WW? That's Wes Welker. More specifically, Wes when he was the 3rd target behind Gronk & Hernandez. And the 3rd target behind Demarius Thomas and Eric Decker.
That's the role Moore has been brought in to fill. To compete being 3rd in targets, and to bring a skill set our other receivers simply don't have - short area burner.
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