Wide Receiver
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Moore is 22…may as well be a draft pick he’s as old as some of them.
Moore is 22…may as well be a draft pick he’s as old as some of them.
with NFL experience another steal, Cooper last year Cleveland again is the place where other teams go to lose in WR'S trades
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He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
We aren’t asking him to be the answer. Just eat up the 2nd and 3rd best corners and be a decoy at times and stretch the field.
i don’t like the negative attitude he had last year though
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He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
Agreed. Berry got a Dollar Store band aid and a Walmart Cola for the price of a 2nd round pick. Who would do such a thing? Oh yeah, the guy that reached way up in to round 3 for a WR like Anthony Schwartz. This will be our 2nd year in a row of entering the draft in round 3. Last year, Berry started the draft with a corner who was impressive enough to have Berry's 1st round Corner (Newsome) eventually reduced to covering the slot.
One thing written about the selection of Elijah Moore coming out of Mississippi before his rookie year was "he never played with an elite QB." This will be one of the excuses why he was a backup Slot Receiver in NY. Garrett Wilson, who DID play with an elite QB or 2 in college - played pretty well as a rookie WR for the Jets in spite of their QB situation.
When your favorite team doesn't have a GM that is very good or confident in his ability to draft anything beyond Cornerbacks - you're paying more for temporary band aids previously drafted by other teams for positions that have been neglected here.
Is this what we're reduced to doing every year? Rooting for free agent moves or trades like this - because we have a FO incapable of competing in the draft? We got a BACKUP Slot Receiver for the 42nd overall pick. I'm just frustrated; but I see we have people popping champagne about this trade in another thread. Let's hope he's everything our fans want him to be.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I don't see downside to this move. He's better than the current WR3 and WR4 on the roster, and he's better than any WR who would have been available if we'd used the "entire" second-round pick on a WR. Moore played 30% of his snaps [scroll down, right outside+left outside] last season outside - he can be WR2 as well.
Sure, he's not "The Savior" - because no savior exists. The roster is improved only small-move-by-small-move.
Bell was our WR3 last season based on snaps -- and even if the same 3 plus Moore rotate, the fact that Moore is better at achieving separation will generate better results for all the WR's because now you can't ignore our WR3.. or shut him down with a backup linebacker.
Fun fact: DPJ lined up more in the slot last season [same link above] than he did outside. Is he "A Slot Receiver?" No - Like Moore, he's a receiver. They line up wherever they're asked..
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Moore is good. Some people just don't know it.
He is exactly the type of receiver Watson needs. He needs a quick guy who can adjust on the fly. Watson breaks the pocket a lot and needs a receiver who recognizes that and adjusts to the new play in progress.
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Moore is good. Some people just don't know it.
He is exactly the type of receiver Watson needs. He needs a quick guy who can adjust on the fly. Watson breaks the pocket a lot and needs a receiver who recognizes that and adjusts to the new play in progress.
He is exactly the type of receiver Watson needs. He needs a quick guy who can adjust on the fly.
A Landry...Welker. If that's what he is, then good. We need one. I had hoped Bell would be that guy, but he didn't look like it.
Moore's 56% catch rate could, in theory be from bad QB play. It's what they want us to believe...so, hopefully that's the case. Me, I'm back to hoping that my 6' 4" Weston turns out to be a player.
reached way up in to round 3 for a WR like Anthony Schwartz
They want a burner. It's been reported that we have one of the slowest WR groups. - Weston's not slow. C'mon Weston!
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
Agreed. Berry got a Dollar Store band aid and a Walmart Cola for the price of a 2nd round pick. Who would do such a thing? Oh yeah, the guy that reached way up in to round 3 for a WR like Anthony Schwartz. This will be our 2nd year in a row of entering the draft in round 3. Last year, Berry started the draft with a corner who was impressive enough to have Berry's 1st round Corner (Newsome) eventually reduced to covering the slot.
One thing written about the selection of Elijah Moore coming out of Mississippi before his rookie year was "he never played with an elite QB." This will be one of the excuses why he was a backup Slot Receiver in NY. Garrett Wilson, who DID play with an elite QB or 2 in college - played pretty well as a rookie WR for the Jets in spite of their QB situation.
When your favorite team doesn't have a GM that is very good or confident in his ability to draft anything beyond Cornerbacks - you're paying more for temporary band aids previously drafted by other teams for positions that have been neglected here.
Is this what we're reduced to doing every year? Rooting for free agent moves or trades like this - because we have a FO incapable of competing in the draft? We got a BACKUP Slot Receiver for the 42nd overall pick. I'm just frustrated; but I see we have people popping champagne about this trade in another thread. Let's hope he's everything our fans want him to be.
Is this what we're reduced to doing every year? Rooting for free agent moves or trades like this - because we have a FO incapable of competing in the draft? We got a BACKUP Slot Receiver for the 42nd overall pick. I'm just frustrated; but I see we have people popping champagne about this trade in another thread. Let's hope he's everything our fans want him to be.
This is what happens when you have a front office that knows they are probably one more missed playoff year from getting shitcanned. (And why I've been predicting a remaining highish pick being traded for a vet player instead of being used on a draft pick. At least with this one, they just dropped down, but still....)
We've seen this movie before. Butch Davis made win-now moves that killed this franchise for years. Phil Savage traded away a draft class trying to get over the hump after the near-miss of 2007.
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Most of the way through all of Moore's snaps week 1 and 2.
Explosive and strong off the snap.
When he's on ball (los) either outside or in, he does a good job with his hands to avoid DBs getting clean contact on their bumps/jams.
Great feel for zone expansion. Really knows how to be a presentable target and when/where to throttle his routes.
Strong hands and good catch radius outside his frame for only being 5'10.
His short area burst is elite. His downfield speed is a different story. The definition of ' quicker than fast'.
I mentioned the Ravens have Kyle Hamilton and they like to use him as their nickel DB. I've also pointed out that the Browns need structure and personnel to improve their horizontal/intermediate passing game. Moore appears to be a piece in taking that step forward. You may ask why I mention Hamilton specifically? His weakness is defending lateral explosion, the horizontal passing game. A couple times the Browns got Cooper on him with great results, but the next defensive adjustment from BLT meant that we're going to have to rely on DPJ and Bell more. Elijah helps stay ahead of that adjustment but making him the matchup against the overhang DB (Hamilton) while allowing us to continue to move Coop and Njoku around the formation.
It's not a 'savior' move as much as it's a move about getting a certain type of body this front office and coaching staff feel they can coach into a blooming season in coordination with Watson.
Mahomes' has Kelce, the Y option and the various post-snap route adjustments he makes when they're both on the same page and reading the same coverages (plus the scramble drill)
Watson will now have Moore and Z/H choice and the various post-snap coverage adjustments they can develop a go-to chemistry with. But instead of having a 6.5 TE who runs a 4.6, we have a 5'10 WR who runs a 4.3.
This trade isn't sexy, but it can be VERY effective if Moore is getting 85 targets, 60 catches and making a high proportion of those 1st down snags.
So many of you older guys rave about Brian Brennan being such an underrated but key cog of the 80s Browns offenses with Bernie, I'm shocked to see those same guys be dismissive of a potentially similar combination here.
Edit:. Moore 2021 7.0 YPT
Moore 2022 6.9 YPT
WW 2010 6.9 YPT
WW 2013 7.0 YPT
Who is WW? That's Wes Welker. More specifically, Wes when he was the 3rd target behind Gronk & Hernandez. And the 3rd target behind Demarius Thomas and Eric Decker.
That's the role Moore has been brought in to fill. To compete being 3rd in targets, and to bring a skill set our other receivers simply don't have - short area burner.
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He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
Agreed. Berry got a Dollar Store band aid and a Walmart Cola for the price of a 2nd round pick. Who would do such a thing? Oh yeah, the guy that reached way up in to round 3 for a WR like Anthony Schwartz. This will be our 2nd year in a row of entering the draft in round 3. Last year, Berry started the draft with a corner who was impressive enough to have Berry's 1st round Corner (Newsome) eventually reduced to covering the slot.
One thing written about the selection of Elijah Moore coming out of Mississippi before his rookie year was "he never played with an elite QB." This will be one of the excuses why he was a backup Slot Receiver in NY. Garrett Wilson, who DID play with an elite QB or 2 in college - played pretty well as a rookie WR for the Jets in spite of their QB situation.
When your favorite team doesn't have a GM that is very good or confident in his ability to draft anything beyond Cornerbacks - you're paying more for temporary band aids previously drafted by other teams for positions that have been neglected here.
Is this what we're reduced to doing every year? Rooting for free agent moves or trades like this - because we have a FO incapable of competing in the draft? We got a BACKUP Slot Receiver for the 42nd overall pick. I'm just frustrated; but I see we have people popping champagne about this trade in another thread. Let's hope he's everything our fans want him to be.
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Is this what we're reduced to doing every year? Rooting for free agent moves or trades like this - because we have a FO incapable of competing in the draft? We got a BACKUP Slot Receiver for the 42nd overall pick. I'm just frustrated; but I see we have people popping champagne about this trade in another thread. Let's hope he's everything our fans want him to be.
This is what happens when you have a front office that knows they are probably one more missed playoff year from getting shitcanned. (And why I've been predicting a remaining highish pick being traded for a vet player instead of being used on a draft pick. At least with this one, they just dropped down, but still....)
We've seen this movie before. Butch Davis made win-now moves that killed this franchise for years. Phil Savage traded away a draft class trying to get over the hump after the near-miss of 2007.
This is what happens when you have a front office that knows they are probably one more missed playoff year from getting shitcanned. (And why I've been predicting a remaining highish pick being traded for a vet player instead of being used on a draft pick. At least with this one, they just dropped down, but still....)
We've seen this movie before. Butch Davis made win-now moves that killed this franchise for years. Phil Savage traded away a draft class trying to get over the hump after the near-miss of 2007.
Will you STOP making so much sense? Knock it off!
It's hard to get pumped up about a 2nd consecutive draft not starting until round 3. I wasted so much time last week posting all the prospects at different positions we have a shot at drafting at #42 overall (that could be an immediate impact). Hope my gut is wrong about the latest knee-jerk.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
He's a smurf. (an Elf, since he's a Brown now). 5' 10" 179 lb. 56% catch percentage. I don't see him as being 'the answer'. (Elijah, the savior)
...and now our first pick is in total crap-shoot land. 3rd round. But...at least they're attacking the spots that we all hoped they would. Be good Elijah, we need ya to be good.
Just curious remember Brian Brennan 5' 9" 178 ? Career 59.4%. (Kosar years.) Great possession receiver kind of in that class.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
This is what happens when you have a front office that knows they are probably one more missed playoff year from getting shitcanned. (And why I've been predicting a remaining highish pick being traded for a vet player instead of being used on a draft pick. At least with this one, they just dropped down, but still....)
We've seen this movie before. Butch Davis made win-now moves that killed this franchise for years. Phil Savage traded away a draft class trying to get over the hump after the near-miss of 2007.
Will you STOP making so much sense? Knock it off!
It's hard to get pumped up about a 2nd consecutive draft not starting until round 3. I wasted so much time last week posting all the prospects at different positions we have a shot at drafting at #42 overall (that could be an immediate impact). Hope my gut is wrong about the latest knee-jerk.
Will you STOP making so much sense? Knock it off!
It's hard to get pumped up about a 2nd consecutive draft not starting until round 3. I wasted so much time last week posting all the prospects at different positions we have a shot at drafting at #42 overall (that could be an immediate impact). Hope my gut is wrong about the latest knee-jerk.
Now here's a legit question for you:
Are you upset because you are genuinely upset in the direction the Browns are going, or are you upset because you really look forward to the Draft and once again the air is let out of your Browns Draft Balloon? Or both? (I understand how one could be both)
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and at 42 which wr would you have drafted ?
First, who says I wanted a WR at #42? I was actually getting excited that it looked like we were suddenly equipped to go BPA. However, I have to say I think we can do better than a guy the Jets felt compelled to demote already in just his 2nd season and willing to trade 1 year later. His teammate Garrett Wilson didn't need the bad QB excuse; and he was just a rookie fwiw.
Second, I don't know any more about the draft than the next guy in here. I'm just venting about something our FO just did. Venting isn't all that uncommon to do when the Browns are in last place again. The thought of not drafting before round 3 for a second consecutive year concerns me.
Anyway, there's a few WRs projecting for round 3 I could get excited about like Penn State's Parker Washington, Princeton's Andrei Josivas, and Iowa State's Xavier Hutchinson. I provided highlights of each and other WRs in page 10 of the 2023 Browns NFL Draft Prospects thread after Gumby posted about BC's Zay Flowers. However, someone else started this really good WR thread very shortly after so a lot of people never saw all the WR stuff I put in that other thread.
Since the Browns signed a lot of pressing needs last week I felt like we had an ideal opportunity to go with BPA at #42 overall. Therefore, I also started an ILBer thread and a Offensive/Left Tackle thread covering guys projected for rounds 2 and 3 by a Draft Magazine. Each LBer had about 4-6 minutes of highlights included. The tackles had highlights too but not quite as long. To post that stuff should show I didn't have my heart set on WR at #42.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
and at 42 which wr would you have drafted ?
First, who says I wanted a WR at #42? I was actually getting excited that it looked like we were suddenly equipped to go BPA. However, I have to say I think we can do better than a guy the Jets felt compelled to demote already in just his 2nd season and willing to trade 1 year later. His teammate Garrett Wilson didn't need the bad QB excuse; and he was just a rookie fwiw.
Second, I don't know any more about the draft than the next guy in here. I'm just venting about something our FO just did. Venting isn't all that uncommon to do when the Browns are in last place again. The thought of not drafting before round 3 for a second consecutive year concerns me.
Anyway, there's a few WRs projecting for round 3 I could get excited about like Penn State's Parker Washington, Princeton's Andrei Josivas, and Iowa State's Xavier Hutchinson. I provided highlights of each and other WRs in page 10 of the 2023 Browns NFL Draft Prospects thread after Gumby posted about BC's Zay Flowers. However, someone else started this really good WR thread very shortly after so a lot of people never saw all the WR stuff I put in that other thread.
Since the Browns signed a lot of pressing needs last week I felt like we had an ideal opportunity to go with BPA at #42 overall. Therefore, I also started an ILBer thread and a Offensive/Left Tackle thread covering guys projected for rounds 2 and 3 by a Draft Magazine. Each LBer had about 4-6 minutes of highlights included. The tackles had highlights too but not quite as long. To post that stuff should show I didn't have my heart set on WR at #42.
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Will you STOP making so much sense? Knock it off!
It's hard to get pumped up about a 2nd consecutive draft not starting until round 3. I wasted so much time last week posting all the prospects at different positions we have a shot at drafting at #42 overall (that could be an immediate impact). Hope my gut is wrong about the latest knee-jerk.
Now here's a legit question for you:
Are you upset because you are genuinely upset in the direction the Browns are going, or are you upset because you really look forward to the Draft and once again the air is let out of your Browns Draft Balloon? Or both? (I understand how one could be both)
Now here's a legit question for you:
Are you upset because you are genuinely upset in the direction the Browns are going, or are you upset because you really look forward to the Draft and once again the air is let out of your Browns Draft Balloon? Or both? (I understand how one could be both)
I'll preface my answer with saying the reason the Browns have the most last place finishes in their division since they returned to the NFL is because they've done the worst in the draft. Free agency and crack-pipe trades has never been the magical catch-up tool. That said, did I tell you if you watch the first Rocky movie 24 times that he finally wins the 24th time you watch it?
My answer is both.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
and at 42 which wr would you have drafted ?
First, who says I wanted a WR at #42? I was actually getting excited that it looked like we were suddenly equipped to go BPA. However, I have to say I think we can do better than a guy the Jets felt compelled to demote already in just his 2nd season and willing to trade 1 year later. His teammate Garrett Wilson didn't need the bad QB excuse; and he was just a rookie fwiw.
Second, I don't know any more about the draft than the next guy in here. I'm just venting about something our FO just did. Venting isn't all that uncommon to do when the Browns are in last place again. The thought of not drafting before round 3 for a second consecutive year concerns me.
Anyway, there's a few WRs projecting for round 3 I could get excited about like Penn State's Parker Washington, Princeton's Andrei Josivas, and Iowa State's Xavier Hutchinson. I provided highlights of each and other WRs in page 10 of the 2023 Browns NFL Draft Prospects thread after Gumby posted about BC's Zay Flowers. However, someone else started this really good WR thread very shortly after so a lot of people never saw all the WR stuff I put in that other thread.
Since the Browns signed a lot of pressing needs last week I felt like we had an ideal opportunity to go with BPA at #42 overall. Therefore, I also started an ILBer thread and a Offensive/Left Tackle thread covering guys projected for rounds 2 and 3 by a Draft Magazine. Each LBer had about 4-6 minutes of highlights included. The tackles had highlights too but not quite as long. To post that stuff should show I didn't have my heart set on WR at #42.
by a Lindys Draft Magazine.
they've done the worst in the draft.
Free agency and crack-pipe trades has never been the magical catch-up tool.
My answer is both.
Cleveland Browns
In finalizing the Trade of Elijah Moore to the Browns..The Browns have sent a $25.00 refund check to Fugel's of the Browns Board to pay for a Linsey Draft Magazine..
In the future.. Don't make us go to the extremes of paying these overpaid crack pipe players ?Happy ? Friday ! -
by a Lindys Draft Magazine.
they've done the worst in the draft.
Free agency and crack-pipe trades has never been the magical catch-up tool.
My answer is both.
Cleveland Browns
In finalizing the Trade of Elijah Moore to the Browns..The Browns have sent a $25.00 refund check to Fugel's of the Browns Board to pay for a Linsey Draft Magazine..In the future.. Don't make us go to the extremes of paying these overpaid crack pipe players ?Happy ? Friday !
Cleveland Browns
In finalizing the Trade of Elijah Moore to the Browns..The Browns have sent a $25.00 refund check to Fugel's of the Browns Board to pay for a Linsey Draft Magazine..In the future.. Don't make us go to the extremes of paying these overpaid crack pipe players ?Happy ? Friday !You sick bastard! After the Diet Pepsi in my mouth went through my nose - I hit the deck LMAO. Thanks for the 2 minute abs Gumbs!
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