Manning vs Manning vs Quinn
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@jadbf said:
Quinn? well there's historical basis to show he COULD get better, will he? Who knows? Does he need to show he is moving in that direction very soon? Yes...The good news about the Viking game is it felt more like jitters to me more than anything else. At this point, it didn't seem like there were fatal and irreversible flaws. Take away the misread on the INT, the false starts by the new offense, and Braylon's TD catch coming from out of bounds and we'd be talking about how Quinn had a solid game with a QB rating in the 100's. These are things that can be improved upon easily and quickly.
The good news about the Viking game is it felt more like jitters to me more than anything else. At this point, it didn't seem like there were fatal and irreversible flaws. Take away the misread on the INT, the false starts by the new offense, and Braylon's TD catch coming from out of bounds and we'd be talking about how Quinn had a solid game with a QB rating in the 100's. These are things that can be improved upon easily and quickly.
BQ has a TD called back on a throw where haters are trying to say wasn't even a good throw. Then, they go WildDawg and don't score. TD to Quinn.
On the pick it was straight miscommunication. It is arguable who made the inappropriate read, although Braylons took credit for it. Wipe the pick off.
He very easily could have had a 22-36 game with 2 TD's, 250yds and no picks. Granted, the late TD was dressing but it was hugely needed to get the monkey off their backs. Those aren't that bad of stats, and maybe Braylons catches the one go route if he runs the right route. What that translates out ot in QBR I don't know, but probably well above 100.
On the Garo, DA never gets the opportunity to do something that goofy because he would have been sacked or chucked up a possible pick beforehand.
Point being, Quinn did not play well and seemed reluctant to take more shots, but he was also feeling quite a bit of pressure, going up against a top defense, playing his first home start after being named full time starter and with a whole new staff and tons of different personnel.
He was not as bad as he is being made out to be. Give the kid a chance.
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The good news about the Viking game is it felt more like jitters to me more than anything else. At this point, it didn't seem like there were fatal and irreversible flaws. Take away the misread on the INT, the false starts by the new offense, and Braylon's TD catch coming from out of bounds and we'd be talking about how Quinn had a solid game with a QB rating in the 100's. These are things that can be improved upon easily and quickly.
BQ has a TD called back on a throw where haters are trying to say wasn't even a good throw. Then, they go WildDawg and don't score. TD to Quinn.
On the pick it was straight miscommunication. It is arguable who made the inappropriate read, although Braylons took credit for it. Wipe the pick off.
He very easily could have had a 22-36 game with 2 TD's, 250yds and no picks. Granted, the late TD was dressing but it was hugely needed to get the monkey off their backs. Those aren't that bad of stats, and maybe Braylons catches the one go route if he runs the right route. What that translates out ot in QBR I don't know, but probably well above 100.
On the Garo, DA never gets the opportunity to do something that goofy because he would have been sacked or chucked up a possible pick beforehand.
Point being, Quinn did not play well and seemed reluctant to take more shots, but he was also feeling quite a bit of pressure, going up against a top defense, playing his first home start after being named full time starter and with a whole new staff and tons of different personnel.
He was not as bad as he is being made out to be. Give the kid a chance.
BQ has a TD called back on a throw where haters are trying to say wasn't even a good throw. Then, they go WildDawg and don't score. TD to Quinn.
On the pick it was straight miscommunication. It is arguable who made the inappropriate read, although Braylons took credit for it. Wipe the pick off.
He very easily could have had a 22-36 game with 2 TD's, 250yds and no picks. Granted, the late TD was dressing but it was hugely needed to get the monkey off their backs. Those aren't that bad of stats, and maybe Braylons catches the one go route if he runs the right route. What that translates out ot in QBR I don't know, but probably well above 100.
On the Garo, DA never gets the opportunity to do something that goofy because he would have been sacked or chucked up a possible pick beforehand.
Point being, Quinn did not play well and seemed reluctant to take more shots, but he was also feeling quite a bit of pressure, going up against a top defense, playing his first home start after being named full time starter and with a whole new staff and tons of different personnel.
He was not as bad as he is being made out to be. Give the kid a chance.
Wow ... ubber gay. Sticky gay, limp wrist, apologetic post right there.
Yikes
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BQ has a TD called back on a throw where haters are trying to say wasn't even a good throw. Then, they go WildDawg and don't score. TD to Quinn.
On the pick it was straight miscommunication. It is arguable who made the inappropriate read, although Braylons took credit for it. Wipe the pick off.
He very easily could have had a 22-36 game with 2 TD's, 250yds and no picks. Granted, the late TD was dressing but it was hugely needed to get the monkey off their backs. Those aren't that bad of stats, and maybe Braylons catches the one go route if he runs the right route. What that translates out ot in QBR I don't know, but probably well above 100.
On the Garo, DA never gets the opportunity to do something that goofy because he would have been sacked or chucked up a possible pick beforehand.
Point being, Quinn did not play well and seemed reluctant to take more shots, but he was also feeling quite a bit of pressure, going up against a top defense, playing his first home start after being named full time starter and with a whole new staff and tons of different personnel.
He was not as bad as he is being made out to be. Give the kid a chance.
Wow ... ubber gay. Sticky gay, limp wrist, apologetic post right there.
Yikes
Wow ... ubber gay. Sticky gay, limp wrist, apologetic post right there.
Yikes
Jeezus cheeayriste, get the gay off your mind. You overreact to everything, that's the fooking gay part.
"Oh my God, these two QB's are the worst I've ever seen" after two minutes at camp.
"Oh my god, Queen is the worst starting QB I have ever seen" after one half against Vikes.
You are the queer drama queen pal.
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Zombo said:
We've all seen things in Quinn we like, and we'd all like to see him find greatness with the Browns. The part where I differ with most, is that I have a lot of respect for Derek Anderson whereas the majority of fans have given up on him. I see a guy with actually a higher potential upside than Quinn, I see a guy that had no chance to suceed in 2008, I see a guy that is 25 with some nice starting experience and a gun ... so I'm not going to let Quinn flop around like a newborn baby his third year in the league while this guy is on the bench.I don't expect Quinn to continue playing poorly for three weeks .. but if he does, I think Mangini pulls him and tries to salvage the season with Anderson. That's just how I feel.
I know some want to keep thinking of Quinn as a shiney new christmas present with all the potential in the world who just needs nurtured and lots of time ... but right now I think of him as a guy holding the team back as long as he plays like he did Sunday. Anderson simply is not as bad, or a worthless cause, like most seem to think. He's a good QB who Mangini will have no problem turning to early in the season if the Keystone Kop dink and dunk show continues much longer.
Zombo
While this post is a little less of the rant from yestyerday i can see why you feel like you do.
The point remains that whether BQ or DA is the starter there are alot of other holes on this team which will hamper their development.
I don't see this team being a 10 game winner this year with either QB, that being said its still only week 1. I truly think it will be blatantly obvious whether or not BQ has 'it'. If he doesn't you know exactl;y what you have in DA. Giving you the option to focus on the other glaring shortcomings of the team. I don't feel we need to draft a qb next year, would rather see them continue the foundation first.
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@jadbf said:
I for one am not going to get into the "if only"'s, because you could do that for almost everyone of DA's games too.I believe we got beat by a superior team. And it wasn't as bad as some want to make it look. But it has to get better before the end of this season, or I'll be real concerned.
and again. I've stated before. I don't necessarily believe Quinn has to have a season like DA did in 2007 to be consider as improving and progressing. And wins are not the only measuring stick. I'd say that last years Denver game was an example of a good game by Quinn.
Every football game turns on a few plays for sure. Braylon's play was part of football, but the false starts can be easily corrected and Quinn should become more comfortable and make better reads.
I'm definitely not saying "if, if, if, therefore Quinn is great and the Browns should have won". Just saying there's hope for quick corrections. The next game will bring new problems, as does every football game, and the Browns have to overcome them to get wins. If he has another fluke fumble and we have a bunch of pre-snap motion penalties again, well then that's crap.
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Wow ... ubber gay. Sticky gay, limp wrist, apologetic post right there.
Yikes
Jeezus cheeayriste, get the gay off your mind. You overreact to everything, that's the fooking gay part.
"Oh my God, these two QB's are the worst I've ever seen" after two minutes at camp.
"Oh my god, Queen is the worst starting QB I have ever seen" after one half against Vikes.
You are the queer drama queen pal.
Jeezus cheeayriste, get the gay off your mind. You overreact to everything, that's the fooking gay part.
I wish I could, but I haven't seen this many homosexual posters on a Browns forum since 1998-99 while discussing Tim Couch and his Kentucky popgun.
Do you really feel good about that excuse filled post?
Crosss the tee, dot the i, carry the one, and he was over 100 QB rating. Subtract three scores from the Vikings and we Won!
Good God, wash your hands after that.
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@jadbf said:
And the oscar goes to......Why Erty of course.
Think I may start working on my Satn imitations, da ich stuff be gettin old or sumtin............
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AdaM said:
Stan, who's that lobster in your avatar?What you can't see, just out of the picture, is that the girl on my immediate left had a hold of my cock so hard that I thought I was gonna lose consciousness.
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@jadbf said:
Quinn? well there's historical basis to show he COULD get better, will he? Who knows? Does he need to show he is moving in that direction very soon? Yes...The good news about the Viking game is it felt more like jitters to me more than anything else. At this point, it didn't seem like there were fatal and irreversible flaws. Take away the misread on the INT, the false starts by the new offense, and Braylon's TD catch coming from out of bounds and we'd be talking about how Quinn had a solid game with a QB rating in the 100's. These are things that can be improved upon easily and quickly.
The good news about the Viking game is it felt more like jitters to me more than anything else. At this point, it didn't seem like there were fatal and irreversible flaws. Take away the misread on the INT, the false starts by the new offense, and Braylon's TD catch coming from out of bounds and we'd be talking about how Quinn had a solid game with a QB rating in the 100's. These are things that can be improved upon easily and quickly.
don't forget the ball magically fumbling out of his grasp in the 4th resulting in that fumble. that was some ridiculous folly material there, and i sincerely HOPE it was just jitters.
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The good news about the Viking game is it felt more like jitters to me more than anything else. At this point, it didn't seem like there were fatal and irreversible flaws. Take away the misread on the INT, the false starts by the new offense, and Braylon's TD catch coming from out of bounds and we'd be talking about how Quinn had a solid game with a QB rating in the 100's. These are things that can be improved upon easily and quickly.
don't forget the ball magically fumbling out of his grasp in the 4th resulting in that fumble. that was some ridiculous folly material there, and i sincerely HOPE it was just jitters.
don't forget the ball magically fumbling out of his grasp in the 4th resulting in that fumble. that was some ridiculous folly material there, and i sincerely HOPE it was just jitters.
It is a silly folly. But we saw that same folly last year from Jay Cutler against SD, and numerous time by other legit QBs. Jitters or no jitters, those things happen to QBs at any level. It happened to be Quinn that it happened to last Sunday.
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just wanted to include it since i hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere and it resulted in a change of possession=big deal.
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Zombo said:
and the fact of the matter is that this team scores more points, gathers more yards, and wins more football games when Derek Anderson is under center than any other guy that has played the position for 15 years,Oh gimme a break. In the 9 games he started in 2008 he avg'd 140 yards passing in 6 of them.
He didn't have the support from a defense that a Flacco did, but then again neither did the other rookie Ryan. Holy shit how many excuses are you going to come up with?
When you AVG 20 turnovers per 16 games as a starting QB in the NFL, you're not scoring many points.
When you pass for 140 yards on avg, you're not scoring many points.
And regarding his 10 win pro-bowl season: somehow the fooking Browns dropped the ball and forgot to send the memo to opposing defensive coordinators "hey, this guy made the pro-bowl so how about not taking away his strengths."
Same old same old from the Anderson crowd. How many pro-bowls has Quinn been to?
Maybe you're you afraid to find out...........
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Actually Brees had two pretty bad years before his first good year.
Unless you consider 3200 yards, 17TD and 16INT a good year of course.
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Zombo said:
You guys really have to let go of 2008. Flugels parades around the scores of the first three or four games like they are the end-all argument of how DA sucks ... but he played without his #2, #3, and #4 receivers, his Pro Bowl tight end, and his right tackle ...while recovering form a concussion that put him out of the preseason, while his #1 recovered from a foot injury and dropped a home run in every one of those early games.I'm willing to lok at the facts and circumstances of both quarterbacks. You guys give Quinn every excuse in the world while not giving Anderson any ... that is what makes you Quinn Fags.
Zombo
So what you're saying is Anderson is UTTERLY dependent on those around him and can't make the guys around him better.
Thanks - that's been one of the knocks: When everyone around him sucks, he's quite happy to suck along with them. His teammates have to make HIM better.
It seems you need to let go of 2007. If Anderson was pro-bowl caliber, I wouldn't have thought he would have any problem beating out Brady Quinn, who really sucks.
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Zombo said:
You guys really have to let go of 2008. ... but he played without his #2, #3, and #4 receivers, his Pro Bowl tight end, and his right tackle ...while recovering form a concussion that put him out of the preseason, while his #1 recovered from a foot injury and dropped a home run in every one of those early games.I'm willing to lok at the facts and circumstances of both quarterbacks. You guys give Quinn every excuse in the world while not giving Anderson any ... that is what makes you Quinn Fags.
Zombo
Yeah I bet you wish we could let go of 2008. Seems the defensive coordinators didn't get the memo of his pro-bowl season. When you pass for 135.75 yards per game your first 4 games of the season, it is more than a headache. It is defensive coordinators scheming to take away everything you feel comfortable throwing. He missed throws badly, all the time, every game. Why? Because he doesn't understand how to read defenses. For a guy who relies so much on his arm, he didn't do much with it.
Quinn has played 4 games. Why the fcuk shouldn't we give him this season to work it out? You afraid to see Quinn's ceiling?
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Zombo said:
Yeah, for a first-year starter on a mediocre team, I thought that was pretty good. Then he regressed the next year and then became the player we all know now his third year as a starter.Zombo
But Atenears called it back in 1998 ... stating that "Drew Brees will be a better Pro than Tim Couch" and the house went wild, laughing and calling him names. They never let poor Atenears play in anymore fantasy games ...
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Zombo said:
and if Quinn continues to struggle through three or four games, then you try and salvage the season with the guy that has won some football games for you in the past.Why go back to Anderson? Salvage what? He couldn't do better than Quinn anyway.
Since 2006 when Anderson first started, he has:
Almost as many multiple INT games (8) as multi TD games (14).
He has 46 TD and 40 Turnovers.
His ratings have been 63.1, 82.5, 66.5
1-13 vs playoff teams.
3-9 in the AFCN
Averaged 140 yards in 6 of 9 starts last season
That is more an indictment of DA than a support for Quinn.
If Quinn falls flat on his face and sucks the big one, I will not look back and say I was wrong about DA. Wrong about Quinn, but not about DA.
"I will not insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said." William F Buckley -
Zombo said:
I don't like "giving" him anything. I want him to start playing better and winning games now .. and I fully expect him to.
The difference between me and you guys is not how I view Quinn ... but how you view Anderson.
I think, and I'm willing to bet Mangini thinks, that we have a pretty fair QB parked in the garage, and if Quinn continues to struggle through three or four games, then you try and salvage the season with the guy that has won some football games for you in the past.
Mark Sanchez was in High school when we drafted Quinn and he won an NFL game Sunday, Flacco and Ryan were drafted after Quinn and they have playoff experience now ... I know Quinn can do it ... I am ready to see it. Soon.
Zombo
Quit being an idiot Z, DA never won shit for mangini, what makes you think he would even remotely consider going back to that even if quinn plays the next 3 games identical to the first? Never going to happen.
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