Brady Quinn sucks and always has! Can we please put Derek Anderson back in.

cmac12

@shepwrite said:
Seriously, if anybody really thinks 21 for 35 for 205 and a pick (with a TD canceled by penalty) is a horrific first game in your first season as a starter? Against one of the league's best defenses?
Boy, are you nutso.

I am totally willing to say Quinn sucks and isn't going to work out if and when that time comes. It's at least 7 or 8 starts away.

1 meaningless TD against a prevent defense. Before the Vikings went into prevent mode what was BQ's stat line? Probably a rating of around 20. BQ looked very bad in this game, that does not mean bench him after one game. You can not judge a QB by one game, weather it is good (the Broncos) or bad (the Vikings). It is one game, that is it.

But to paint it like his final stat line is a representation of how he performed then you are nutso. The TD he threw to BE was what do you call it...a "Circus Catch"(that is the one called back). The Browns had first and goal at the 6 and got only a FG out of it. Don't try and spin that game like anything other than BQ played poorly. Not his fault the Browns lost but he certainly didn't help. But again it is one game. Everybody has a bad game. Move on and see how he performs over a period of time.

And shep, it was a horrific game UNTIL the vikings went into prevent defense and even then the only pass he threw that carried more than 10 yards in the air was the throw to Royal.

? AdaM

@cmac12 said:
1 meaningless TD against a prevent defense. Before the Vikings went into prevent mode what was BQ's stat line? Probably a rating of around 20. BQ looked very bad in this game, that does not mean bench him after one game. You can not judge a QB by one game, weather it is good (the Broncos) or bad (the Vikings). It is one game, that is it.
But to paint it like his final stat line is a representation of how he performed then you are nutso. The TD he threw to BE was what do you call it...a "Circus Catch"(that is the one called back). The Browns had first and goal at the 6 and got only a FG out of it. Don't try and spin that game like anything other than BQ played poorly. Not his fault the Browns lost but he certainly didn't help. But again it is one game. Everybody has a bad game. Move on and see how he performs over a period of time.

And shep, it was a horrific game UNTIL the vikings went into prevent defense and even then the only pass he threw that carried more than 10 yards in the air was the throw to Royal.

"The Browns had first and goal at the 6 and got only a FG out of it." didn't cribbs run the ball twice on that series?

And it was not a "horrible" game. It was not good, but he definitely did not cause the browns to lose.

It is what it is, a sub-par outing. They will get better.

Lumbergh

@shepwrite said:
Quinn's pretty raw. He just hasn't played much, hasn't received many first team reps, hasn't had a chance to get familiarity with his teammates, and is now playing in a new offense with new coaches and a new cast around him.

"HE'S THE MOST NFL-READY QUARTERBACK TO COME INTO THE LEAGUE IN THE LAST DECADE"

-shepwrite circa 2007

.........2 and a half years later he's just "pretty raw" and "it's all new to him"

? Masters

@cmac12 said:
even then the only pass he threw that carried more than 10 yards in the air was the throw to Royal.

HUH? Pass interference play to BE well over 10 yards. So was the ball BE dropped.

Quinn didn't play a good game. But the exaggeration that it was horrific and that only one pass was 10 yards in the air are just silly to me.

? Masters

AdaM said:
"The Browns had first and goal at the 6 and got only a FG out of it." didn't cribbs run the ball twice on that series?

That series from 1st and goal at the 6 was a Lewis run for 3 yards on 1st, Cribbs for 2 yards on 2nd, and Cribbs for -1 yards on 3rd down.

Riffer X

@lumbergh said:
"HE'S THE MOST NFL-READY QUARTERBACK TO COME INTO THE LEAGUE IN THE LAST DECADE"
-shepwrite circa 2007

.........2 and a half years later he's just "pretty raw" and "it's all new to him"

I start getting a little worried every time Lumspackle starts "remembering" quotes by guys from 2 years ago.

Just a little unnerving........

? AdaM

@riffer-x said:
I start getting a little worried every time Lumspackle starts "remembering" quotes by guys from 2 years ago.
Just a little unnerving........

Maybe every time he see's something he deems ridiculous, he screen shots it and puts it in the archives. For the purpose of saying "told-ya-so" 2 years later.

MoonlitKnight

@jadbf said:
OK can you stop with the gay :laughs:? We get it, you think it's funny when people disagree with you because you think it makes them stupid.

JADBF....I don't know you from shit...but I do know your constant use of the word"reference" as in..."obviously didn't get the reference" shows how you dismiss the ones you feel are stupid....so you do your thing and I'll do mine

hoorta

QUOTE (AdaM @ Sep 16 2009, 07:31 AM)

"The Browns had first and goal at the 6 and got only a FG out of it." didn't cribbs run the ball twice on that series?

Masters said:
That series from 1st and goal at the 6 was a Lewis run for 3 yards on 1st, Cribbs for 2 yards on 2nd, and Cribbs for -1 yards on 3rd down.

Can we say the playcalling there was a little suspect?

Vegasdogg

@lumbergh said:
"HE'S THE MOST NFL-READY QUARTERBACK TO COME INTO THE LEAGUE IN THE LAST DECADE"
-shepwrite circa 2007

.........2 and a half years later he's just "pretty raw" and "it's all new to him"

And he beat out DA. That tells ya something right there.

? Masters · QUOTE (AdaM @ Sep 16 2009, 07:31 AM)

@hoorta said:
QUOTE (AdaM @ Sep 16 2009, 07:31 AM)
"The Browns had first and goal at the 6 and got only a FG out of it." didn't cribbs run the ball twice on that series?

Can we say the playcalling there was a little suspect?

I think we can. Mangini took the blame for that play calling in his presser.

Vegasdogg · QUOTE (AdaM @ Sep 16 2009, 07:31 AM)

@hoorta said:
Can we say the playcalling there was a little suspect?

Only if it doesn't work.

I like Cribbs down there, but I also would have liked him in a big set as the only WR, coming in motion and catching the ball in the flat on play action. Not two of the same plays in a row.

BrownIndian · QUOTE (AdaM @ Sep 16 2009, 07:31 AM)

@hoorta said:
Can we say the playcalling there was a little suspect?

"little" is too little a word to describe the playcalling. I would choose terrible.

MoonlitKnight

@jadbf said:
Exactly, it took me 35 of your posts to figure out your level of intelligence. How many more till you think it's confirmed for everyone else?

35?WOW you are obviously not that smart.It only took me one of your posts to figure out you're still stuck in the finger painting phase.

mopaji

@hoorta said:
Regarding assertion #1 WRONG. Ben Rothlisberger completed completed an insanely high percentage of passes in a game (something like 65%) when he was playing for Miami of Ohio in a freaking hurricane- gusts over 50mph- the reason I wanted to draft the kid when we had a chance to. For those with a short attention span, Benny Boy repeated that feat against the Browns- 65% completion percentage- when Hurricane Ike blew through Cleveland last September. DA? 56%, 2 picks, rating 44. Apples to apples.
It's yet to be seen what Quinn's "best" is. He gets all year to show what he has. What I've seen is Anderson has seriously regressed from his "best". It ain't exactly Rocket Science- defenses figured out take away DA's deep stuff- and make him beat you short. Sorry, FAIL.

Ben may have been able to do it once but that is a noteworthy accomplishment. I'm speaking in general terms of course. Those types of conditions are hell on the passing game. Just because once every 15 years some QB has great numbers in those conditions doesn't mean it is to be expected from everyone, all of the time. One of the great things about football is the weather and how gameplans change according to it. Chud hung us out to dry and let DA take the blame for the loss.

Maybe we haven't seen Brady's best yet. All I can go on is what I've seen and I think I've seen all Brady is as a QB. I really want to be wrong but it looks to me as if he has peaked. Maybe he'll calm down and start playing with confidence and we'll all be happy but all he has shown so far is he is lacking in some very key areas.

Vision

Poise

Arm Strength

Accuracy

Leadership

All he shows us is that he looks like a great athelete but does that always translate onto the field? Being atheletic doesn't make you a good football player.

If he doesn't show up soon, than Brady's storybook career may..........FAIL

cmac12

Masters said:
HUH? Pass interference play to BE well over 10 yards. So was the ball BE dropped.
Quinn didn't play a good game. But the exaggeration that it was horrific and that only one pass was 10 yards in the air are just silly to me.

When I said that I was talking about the last two possessions if you read. And I did not say he did not throw over 10 yards I said he did not complete one over 10 yards. And for the entire game he only completed 4 passes that traveled over 10 yards in the air. I did watch the game and I did say that BQ did not lose the game but he most certainly did not do anything to win the game. And I does not matter that the Browns ran the ball 3 times inside the 6, I guess that could tell you how much confidence that the Coaches have in BQ getting the ball inside the endzone.

And dropped balls do not matter, that was made really clear when people talked about DA. This is the no excuse zone for QBs I seem to recall. BQ held to same standards as DA. Drops do not matter.

I still stand by that BQ looked lost until the Vikings went to a prevent defense. That does not mean he did not have a decent play here and there. He did. It also does not mean that he will not look better next week, he probably will. And it does not mean you pull him after one game, you don't. It means in this game he sucked, it was not an average game, it was a bad game.

I can not imagine how much crap DA would get if he had played like this in his first year of starting, oh wait he did have a few games like this in his first year and he caught hell. Only difference is that he played like this late in the season and not to start it off.

For the record I am not for benching BQ, keep him in there. You need more body of work than 4 starts. He needs a string of starts. I am just saying in this game he sucked and did nothing to help the Browns win. That has nothing to do with DA.

? Masters

@cmac12 said:
When I said that I was talking about the last two possessions if you read. And I did not say he did not throw over 10 yards I said he did not complete one over 10 yards. And for the entire game he only completed 4 passes that traveled over 10 yards in the air. I did watch the game and I did say that BQ did not lose the game but he most certainly did not do anything to win the game. And I does not matter that the Browns ran the ball 3 times inside the 6, I guess that could tell you how much confidence that the Coaches have in BQ getting the ball inside the endzone.
And dropped balls do not matter, that was made really clear when people talked about DA. This is the no excuse zone for QBs I seem to recall. BQ held to same standards as DA. Drops do not matter.

I still stand by that BQ looked lost until the Vikings went to a prevent defense. That does not mean he did not have a decent play here and there. He did. It also does not mean that he will not look better next week, he probably will. And it does not mean you pull him after one game, you don't. It means in this game he sucked, it was not an average game, it was a bad game.

I can not imagine how much crap DA would get if he had played like this in his first year of starting, oh wait he did have a few games like this in his first year and he caught hell. Only difference is that he played like this late in the season and not to start it off.

For the record I am not for benching BQ, keep him in there. You need more body of work than 4 starts. He needs a string of starts. I am just saying in this game he sucked and did nothing to help the Browns win. That has nothing to do with DA.

I missed the part about last two possesions, my bad. You did say the pass to Royal was the only throw that traveled 10 yards in the air ("the only pass he threw that carried more than 10 yards in the air was the throw to Royal" - no mention of completion), but I again, I missed the part about the last two possesions. Quinn did have 4 passes of 10+ yards in the air completed for the game (2 were on the final drive for CLE 14 to MoMass and 23 to Royal). The play calling there on the first and goal says nothing one way or the other about the coaching staffs confidence in Quinn in that situation. Mangini made the call to say with the wild cat on 3rd because he say MIN having the same personal on the field from the previous play. He thought it would get them in.

No drops don't matter in the big scheme. I haven't held the drops agaisnt DA (though reality is if you gave DA every drop his completion % is still well below 60%) myself. It's his lack of growth and tendancy to make critical mistake as the worst possible time repeatedly. I am simply talking about the notion that Quinn was only throwing balls short. Look at the chart for Quinn on the Plain Dealer. Quinn attempted 13 passes where the ball was in the air 10 yards or more (6 of those were 20 yards or more).

Like you said, Quinn had moments of looking lost and had decent plays here and their. Over all it was a bad game. It's the notion that it was "horrible" that I was taking to task for being excessive exagguration (not just by you but many have gone to that unneccessary extream).

DA really didn't start catching hell until the Cincy game and was given leway by most until that game. Even then DA was really getting crap for not learning from his mistakes and experiences. DA wasn't lit up by people after the OAK game in 2007. Come several weeks in if Quinn shows that same problem, he'll catch the same hell.

Quinn was bad, no question. Horrible? Nah, that's extream. That type of description is resevered for Ryan Leaf esque play and a game like Delhomme and Cutler had this past week.

lodilobo

@moonlitknight said:
hey dude...you obviously have me confused with a DA pimp...I am a Browns pimp..I am not crazy about either one...but forced to choose I'd take DA...at least he can throw the long ball

Well....you obviously had me confused with a BQ pimp. Really, I just think we need to give the guy a chance. As far as DA....I think the guy could be an excellent qb with the right coaching. Remember how bad Testeverde was before Belichik and Parcells got him? DA is very similar, in my opinion....o.k....maybe not nearly as dumb as Vinny, but still similar.

RestinPeace

@lodilobo said:
Well....you obviously had me confused with a BQ pimp. Really, I just think we need to give the guy a chance. As far as DA....I think the guy could be an excellent qb with the right coaching. Remember how bad Testeverde was before Belichik and Parcells got him? DA is very similar, in my opinion....o.k....maybe not nearly as dumb as Vinny, but still similar.

ROLF!!! DA doesn't have half the talent VT had.

Vegasdogg

@lumbergh said:
His 4th qtr was great. yay.
But thru 3 qtrs he had only 72 yds passing and a passer rating in the 30's. And the O had produced 2 FGs, one by way of a botched onside kick.

Hey jackoff, where were you when DA had 5 of these games in 2008? Hiding again?? You're the last mofo that should be on here talking shit about QB play, dickweed. Are you serious with this smack shit talk?

Here let me remind you what we're missing from your star.

Last year:

vs HOU 51 YDS, yet still had time to throw an INT and FUMBLE a ball, and a QBR of 17.3

vs WAS 137 yards, and a 37.8 QBR.

vs BAL 125 yards, threw 3 INTs, and had a 22.9 QBR

vs IND 110 yards, QBR 71.1

vs PIT 166 yards, added 2 INTs, and a QBR 44.5

Dude you always were nowhere to be found after these games, and yet here you are posting multiple times an hour.

You backed a loser. Deal with it. You're an Oregon State fan you should be used to losing all the time.

Poser.