2023 Browns NFL Draft Prospects
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Combine, at least for myself, is an exhibition to demonstrate athletes I might not have previously been aware of or had the chance to watch during the season. There are certain drills which are position specific that I tend to be cognizant of - 10 yard split, 3 cone and sometimes vertical. What I also keep an eye out for, Dline specific, is height, weight, arm length and wingspan. 40 time is also something that I don't treat as gospel. But what I ultimately need is film that supports or detracts from the combine to reach a conclusion. You look like trash when the tape rolls? Then you're a combine warrior, and we've seen those time and time again. Tape looks good, competition looks good? I can overlook not being the best athlete for your position group then. The example I circle back around to both personally and then another collegiately ---> pro... A kid I played DB with in high school was a tremendous athlete and went on to play LB at Kent State. Because, despite being 6'1 210lbs, really didn't have the eyes, hips and processing skills for the position. I watched Taylor Mays at USC back in the day be an absolute freak of nature athletically. He played DB under Pete Carroll, then had to switch to LB and special teams only to be out of the league in a few short years after being drafted top 50. So all that combine ability didn't amount to on field production come game time.
Food for thought. There is no science to it, but it's far more rare for a athlete to look like trash on the all-22 but find production in the NFL as opposed to someone who didn't test as athletic but passes the eye test.
RE: I haven't gotten around to Andre Carter, but at 6'7 260lbs, he looked out of place playing as a 2pt edge for Army. He has athletic gifts but he's a large coaching project. I look for 10 yard split, vertical and some 3 cone/shuttle. The reason I say 'some' is because I'm looking for how that initial lateral burst and hip sink looks in both drills. The constant stop/start doesn't interest me along the defensive front.
My thoughts on Diaby have already been posted here... 9th one down.
So with Siaki, the vertical test itself is tough because big men like him don't get height in jumping. So the 10 yard split and, again, those initial moves on the 3 cone and shuttle can be a big tell. Bench is also a 'meh'. Remember, Tommy Togiai had a monster bench. While he's solid facing teams that run a lot of gap/power, such as a Ravens; He's a complete liability against zone heavy teams, such as the falcons, because he lacks height, wingspan and lateral to vertical burst.
Re: Freeman. 40 means jackshit to me. He can run like the wind, but if his footwork and handstrike while in pass pro are questionable, then being an athlete is negated by lack of technique. Conversely, if he's an athlete who can be coached and consistently retain good technique, then the athletic ability now becomes a huge plus.
Good stuff T.
Combine scores mean something, but for me it washes guys out more than help, with the exception of maybe small school or under the radar guys. It opens your eyes to some players, and the smaller school guys, maybe you can't trust the tape because of the competition, but the numbers don't lie and help to add to their value.
If you are testing out like Myles Garrett, but played at UT Chattanooga, it opends eyes. Cole Strange played at UT Chattanooga. His tape and testing numbers convinced Belicheck to take him as their #1 pick.
He started at guard and played well. Living in Chattanooga,I follow UTC guys. Terrell Owens played here. He skipped the Canton HOF ceremony and had it here...my son and I went. Very cool.
I have held season tickets to both the football and basketball programs for maybe 25 years. I still go to a football game or two, and maybe 4-5 basketball games a year. I don't go all that much, but still feel it important to support the program. Call it civic responsibility. I live here and feel it important to support the University and community.
I graduated from Florida. I still have Gator football tickets. Have had them 40 years or more. I rarely go to games anymore, but keep them because a seatmate and long time friend buys mine every year. He can use them for business purposes. If I want to go to a game, as long as I give him a week or so notice I get my 2 seats back and go. We have 6 seats together. He owns a road paving business, so he always has hand or two to grease...lol. If I want more, he gives them to me. . He knows I spend a lot of money a year just to keep the tickets, but hey, I owe the University a lot,. Thankfully I am able to do so.
Good stuff T.
Combine scores mean something, but for me it washes guys out more than help, with the exception of maybe small school or under the radar guys. It opens your eyes to some players, and the smaller school guys, maybe you can't trust the tape because of the competition, but the numbers don't lie and help to add to their value.
If you are testing out like Myles Garrett, but played at UT Chattanooga, it opends eyes. Cole Strange played at UT Chattanooga. His tape and testing numbers convinced Belicheck to take him as their #1 pick.
He started at guard and played well. Living in Chattanooga,I follow UTC guys. Terrell Owens played here. He skipped the Canton HOF ceremony and had it here...my son and I went. Very cool.
Here's a guy the Browns drafted out of UT Chattanooga in round 5 in 2011. He was 5'9.5" and 186 lbs. Bench press 20 reps, 40 yard dash 4.37 seconds, vertical jump 37 inches, broad jump 122 inches, 20 yard shuttle 3.90 seconds, Three cone 6.44 seconds, 60 yard shuttle 10.75 seconds. This player was... Cornerback: Buster Skrine who started in 2012, 2013 and 2014 after playing special teams and the Nickelback the 2nd half of his rookie year in 2011.
IMO, he was a great open field tackler like our other corner Joe Haden. I thought this was a good tandem here. Their reliability in run support was very underrated IMO. We didn't always have the best pass rush so both corners had the occasional grabbies downfield at times.
In 2015 Skrine went to the Jets as a FA and was their 3rd Corner behind Revis and Cromartie. In 2016, he was back to being a starter and remained one through 2018. PFF showed he started to decline from 2016-2018 though in spite of holding onto his starting job. He still signed with teams all the way up through 2021 and had occasional starts and work in the rotation.
IMO, that's a pretty good school to keep an eye over there in Chattanooga.
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Buster had a nice career. You play that long, you had a nice career. He still comes back here to hang around and talk to the players. To show them and let them know you don't have to go to a power 5 school to make the NFL dream happen.
If you work hard and have the talent, you will get a shot.
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Good stuff T.
Combine scores mean something, but for me it washes guys out more than help, with the exception of maybe small school or under the radar guys. It opens your eyes to some players, and the smaller school guys, maybe you can't trust the tape because of the competition, but the numbers don't lie and help to add to their value.
If you are testing out like Myles Garrett, but played at UT Chattanooga, it opends eyes. Cole Strange played at UT Chattanooga. His tape and testing numbers convinced Belicheck to take him as their #1 pick.
He started at guard and played well. Living in Chattanooga,I follow UTC guys. Terrell Owens played here. He skipped the Canton HOF ceremony and had it here...my son and I went. Very cool.
Here's a guy the Browns drafted out of UT Chattanooga in round 5 in 2011. He was 5'9.5" and 186 lbs. Bench press 20 reps, 40 yard dash 4.37 seconds, vertical jump 37 inches, broad jump 122 inches, 20 yard shuttle 3.90 seconds, Three cone 6.44 seconds, 60 yard shuttle 10.75 seconds. This player was... Cornerback: Buster Skrine who started in 2012, 2013 and 2014 after playing special teams and the Nickelback the 2nd half of his rookie year in 2011.
IMO, he was a great open field tackler like our other corner Joe Haden. I thought this was a good tandem here. Their reliability in run support was very underrated IMO. We didn't always have the best pass rush so both corners had the occasional grabbies downfield at times.
In 2015 Skrine went to the Jets as a FA and was their 3rd Corner behind Revis and Cromartie. In 2016, he was back to being a starter and remained one through 2018. PFF showed he started to decline from 2016-2018 though in spite of holding onto his starting job. He still signed with teams all the way up through 2021 and had occasional starts and work in the rotation.
IMO, that's a pretty good school to keep an eye over there in Chattanooga.
Here's a guy the Browns drafted out of UT Chattanooga.
IMO, that's a pretty good school to keep an eye over there in Chattanooga.
Wife's father was all east coast football and all-state football, basketball and baseball in R.I. having been the primary RB on the state champ football team, but chose UT Chattanooga for a scholarship to get a Chem Eng degree rather than sign with the Boston Red Sox where he would have been on an underpaying farm team to start back in the 30's. He never regretted it since he spent a 40+ year career as a Chemical Engineer. Back then they didn't pay those outrageous signing bonuses and yearly huge contracts for athletes like they do now.
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Starting to see sims/boards plucking likes of J. Campbell, D.Henley & Keeanu Benton in pick groups of #50's to 60's's
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I'd agree, seeing most of these groups if we sit & pick..
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/nfl-draft-targets-2023?team=CLE
As the norm... Night 1, is going to be a wild Thursday Night in KC ! Happy Friday !
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DeWayne McBride - RB, UAB.
Good frame, height and weight distribution. I'd say he's hovering right at that 5'11, 215 season-start mark...
- Solid straight line speed. Not a burner, but low 4.5's
- Good upper body strength, not elite lower body strength... but good enough with quality leg drive.
- Questionable ball security in spurts. He'll have full games where he's fine, then the next he gets caught almost forgetting his fundamentals in transition? But that's only when he's at the 2nd level and trying to make an additional move beyond his one cut to vertical go-go, or when he's getting caught from behind past the LB's.
- His 2nd level vision has it's moments.
- His weight sink on his cuts is ok, but his burst isn't great. Sometimes runs a bit ahead of his pads too. Honestly, I feel like if he cleaned up a good bit of his footwork behind the LoS, the questions on his change of direction and burst wouldn't be as loud. Good footwork is smooth, smooth on the field is fluid, fluidity becomes quickness. Best example I can give you from a football parallel for the older guys here - Bernie's arm wasn't great, but he made good decisions, had good timing and ball placement (despite his wonky mechanics) So not being the most elite physical talent can be overcome with fundamental mastery. At times when the cutbacks are nice, it's because DeWayne see's how the 2nd level defenders are responding - and THAT level of eye movement intrigues me.
- Would like to see more willingness to attack the edge when it's there. You don't have to run a 4.3 to get past the tackle.
- Shows some balance and power when DB's have questionable form on tackles. Let's be real, in 2023 football that happens way to much with DB's. So this isn't a backhand at all. Not much lateral shake though, he isn't about to Reggie Bush anybody.
- Needs to be more consistent in his decisiveness on his plant and go.
I see..... something. I can't quite put my finger on what it is? It's like the most faint glimmer of light at a distance. I see flaws, then I see some tiny spark where I feel like you could actually find an OK day 3 RB here. For me McBride looks like another one where, an off-season with Coach Stump the RB Whisperer, might have this kid play well above his draft position.
edit: Day 3, mid to late.
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Starting to see sims/boards plucking likes of J. Campbell, D.Henley & Keeanu Benton in pick groups of #50's to 60's's
..
I'd agree, seeing most of these groups if we sit & pick..
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/nfl-draft-targets-2023?team=CLE
As the norm... Night 1, is going to be a wild Thursday Night in KC ! Happy Friday !
Starting to see sims/boards plucking likes of J. Campbell, D.Henley & Keeanu Benton in pick groups of #50's to 60's's
..
I'd agree, seeing most of these groups if we sit & pick..
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/nfl-draft-targets-2023?team=CLE
As the norm... Night 1, is going to be a wild Thursday Night in KC ! Happy Friday !
Thanks Gumbs! It's great to see a big cluster of guys that could be available each time we pick. Very helpful...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
400 views since Friday. Who the eff is creeping this thread and not participating?
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Starting to see sims/boards plucking likes of J. Campbell, D.Henley & Keeanu Benton in pick groups of #50's to 60's's
..
I'd agree, seeing most of these groups if we sit & pick..
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/nfl-draft-targets-2023?team=CLE
As the norm... Night 1, is going to be a wild Thursday Night in KC ! Happy Friday !
Thanks Gumbs! It's great to see a big cluster of guys that could be available each time we pick. Very helpful...
Thanks Gumbs! It's great to see a big cluster of guys that could be available each time we pick. Very helpful...
Like most...
interested to see the real draft board of players remaining at the 42nd pick, that became the Elijah Moore trade..
any hope, Berry has some options to jump into the bottom of the 2nd round if worth it? cost pick #74 & a 4th round, pick #111
62) Philadelphia Eagles
(where is Philly going to put two 1st rd. picks, plus a low 2nd rounder?)
Round 3
64) Chicago Bears
65) Houston Texans
66) Arizona Cardinals
67) Denver Broncos (from Indianapolis)
68) Denver Broncos
69) Los Angeles Rams
70) Las Vegas Raiders
71) New Orleans Saints
72) Tennessee Titans
73) Houston Texans (from Cleveland)
74) *****Cleveland Browns (from N.Y. Jets)***** -
Thanks Gumbs! It's great to see a big cluster of guys that could be available each time we pick. Very helpful...
Like most...
interested to see the real draft board of players remaining at the 42nd pick, that became the Elijah Moore trade..
any hope, Berry has some options to jump into the bottom of the 2nd round if worth it? cost pick #74 & a 4th round, pick #111
62) Philadelphia Eagles
(where is Philly going to put two 1st rd. picks, plus a low 2nd rounder?)
Round 3
64) Chicago Bears
65) Houston Texans
66) Arizona Cardinals
67) Denver Broncos (from Indianapolis)
68) Denver Broncos
69) Los Angeles Rams
70) Las Vegas Raiders
71) New Orleans Saints
72) Tennessee Titans
73) Houston Texans (from Cleveland)
74) *****Cleveland Browns (from N.Y. Jets)*****Like most...
interested to see the real draft board of players remaining at the 42nd pick, that became the Elijah Moore trade..
any hope, Berry has some options to jump into the bottom of the 2nd round if worth it? cost pick #74 & a 4th round, pick #111
62) Philadelphia Eagles
(where is Philly going to put two 1st rd. picks, plus a low 2nd rounder?)
Round 3
64) Chicago Bears
65) Houston Texans
66) Arizona Cardinals
67) Denver Broncos (from Indianapolis)
68) Denver Broncos
69) Los Angeles Rams
70) Las Vegas Raiders
71) New Orleans Saints
72) Tennessee Titans
73) Houston Texans (from Cleveland)
74) *****Cleveland Browns (from N.Y. Jets)*****It feels like we need to. Of the DTs we signed, 2 of them had disappointing 1st gigs. One didn't survive his 1st contract (Hill) and got cut/waived during the 2022 season; then signed by Arizona and then he went on on IR shortly thereafter. Schwartz is a GREAT Defensive Coach but only a miracle worker can turn Raggedy Ann into Aaron Donald. Tomlinson was a great addition/proven starter; but we need another reliable guy that could be well worth trading up for in round 2. If Winfrey takes his meds - I could see Schwartz making him a reliable guy for a rotation up front.
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Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
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Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Which is why we need to trade into next year with the exception of maybe one or two players. But I have my doubts they will be there for us unless we trade up to get them this year. Classic horns of a dilemma. ??
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Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Let's hope it was Howie Roseman that said that sitting on two 1st round picks (#10 and #30) where top talents aren't matching Philly's remaining needs. Andrew Berry has close ties with Roseman after working for him as recently as 2019 so I wouldn't count out a trade-up opportunity here. @gumby73 mentioned Philly because of the 2 first round picks and the 63rd overall pick in round 2.
We can probably land a Mazi Smith or a Keeanu Benton if we find a way to do this up... You give Schwartz a toy like this next to Tomlinson - and it's "GAME ON!"
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Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Let's hope it was Howie Roseman that said that sitting on two 1st round picks (#10 and #30) where top talents aren't matching Philly's remaining needs. Andrew Berry has close ties with Roseman after working for him as recently as 2019 so I wouldn't count out a trade-up opportunity here. @gumby73 mentioned Philly because of the 2 first round picks and the 63rd overall pick in round 2.
We can probably land a Mazi Smith or a Keeanu Benton if we find a way to do this up... You give Schwartz a toy like this next to Tomlinson - and it's "GAME ON!"
Let's hope it was Howie Roseman that said that sitting on two 1st round picks (#10 and #30) where top talents aren't matching Philly's remaining needs. Andrew Berry has close ties with Roseman after working for him as recently as 2019 so I wouldn't count out a trade-up opportunity here. @gumby73 mentioned Philly because of the 2 first round picks and the 63rd overall pick in round 2.
We can probably land a Mazi Smith or a Keeanu Benton if we find a way to do this up... You give Schwartz a toy like this next to Tomlinson - and it's "GAME ON!"
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
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Let's hope it was Howie Roseman that said that sitting on two 1st round picks (#10 and #30) where top talents aren't matching Philly's remaining needs. Andrew Berry has close ties with Roseman after working for him as recently as 2019 so I wouldn't count out a trade-up opportunity here. @gumby73 mentioned Philly because of the 2 first round picks and the 63rd overall pick in round 2.
We can probably land a Mazi Smith or a Keeanu Benton if we find a way to do this up... You give Schwartz a toy like this next to Tomlinson - and it's "GAME ON!"
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
I was thinking pick #30 with the understanding that round 1 ends after the 31st pick this year. I got me a feelin we're gonna get us a big feller as a belated Welcome to Cleveland gift for Schwartz.
Now don't go hurtin my feelins with this crickets stuff!
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Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Which is why we need to trade into next year with the exception of maybe one or two players. But I have my doubts they will be there for us unless we trade up to get them this year. Classic horns of a dilemma. ??
Which is why we need to trade into next year with the exception of maybe one or two players. But I have my doubts they will be there for us unless we trade up to get them this year. Classic horns of a dilemma. ??
Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
The 2013 draft, widely felt to have been pretty weak.
Notable 2nd -4th round picks from that year.
There are always quality football players that can be found. So just packaging picks and checking out for a full year of drafting isn't in the cards
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Let's hope it was Howie Roseman that said that sitting on two 1st round picks (#10 and #30) where top talents aren't matching Philly's remaining needs. Andrew Berry has close ties with Roseman after working for him as recently as 2019 so I wouldn't count out a trade-up opportunity here. @gumby73 mentioned Philly because of the 2 first round picks and the 63rd overall pick in round 2.
We can probably land a Mazi Smith or a Keeanu Benton if we find a way to do this up... You give Schwartz a toy like this next to Tomlinson - and it's "GAME ON!"
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
.0001%. I’d say 5% if we had a first round pick next year to entice that kind of move up.
This “first round” talent this year stinks. If we actually had the #12 pick I’d probably do everything we could do to get a guy like Paris Johnson Jr.
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Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Which is why we need to trade into next year with the exception of maybe one or two players. But I have my doubts they will be there for us unless we trade up to get them this year. Classic horns of a dilemma. ??
Which is why we need to trade into next year with the exception of maybe one or two players. But I have my doubts they will be there for us unless we trade up to get them this year. Classic horns of a dilemma. ??
I agree, but if this class is as bad as projected, how many GMs are going to want to load up on extra picks this year?
You never know, but it doesn't make much sense to me.
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Let's hope it was Howie Roseman that said that sitting on two 1st round picks (#10 and #30) where top talents aren't matching Philly's remaining needs. Andrew Berry has close ties with Roseman after working for him as recently as 2019 so I wouldn't count out a trade-up opportunity here. @gumby73 mentioned Philly because of the 2 first round picks and the 63rd overall pick in round 2.
We can probably land a Mazi Smith or a Keeanu Benton if we find a way to do this up... You give Schwartz a toy like this next to Tomlinson - and it's "GAME ON!"
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
The only way that happens is if we offer up more than draft picks. We will need to jettison a good player to do so. Chubb and 3rd might do it.
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