2023 Browns NFL Draft Prospects
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Starting to see sims/boards plucking likes of J. Campbell, D.Henley & Keeanu Benton in pick groups of #50's to 60's's
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I'd agree, seeing most of these groups if we sit & pick..
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/nfl-draft-targets-2023?team=CLE
As the norm... Night 1, is going to be a wild Thursday Night in KC ! Happy Friday !
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DeWayne McBride - RB, UAB.
Good frame, height and weight distribution. I'd say he's hovering right at that 5'11, 215 season-start mark...
- Solid straight line speed. Not a burner, but low 4.5's
- Good upper body strength, not elite lower body strength... but good enough with quality leg drive.
- Questionable ball security in spurts. He'll have full games where he's fine, then the next he gets caught almost forgetting his fundamentals in transition? But that's only when he's at the 2nd level and trying to make an additional move beyond his one cut to vertical go-go, or when he's getting caught from behind past the LB's.
- His 2nd level vision has it's moments.
- His weight sink on his cuts is ok, but his burst isn't great. Sometimes runs a bit ahead of his pads too. Honestly, I feel like if he cleaned up a good bit of his footwork behind the LoS, the questions on his change of direction and burst wouldn't be as loud. Good footwork is smooth, smooth on the field is fluid, fluidity becomes quickness. Best example I can give you from a football parallel for the older guys here - Bernie's arm wasn't great, but he made good decisions, had good timing and ball placement (despite his wonky mechanics) So not being the most elite physical talent can be overcome with fundamental mastery. At times when the cutbacks are nice, it's because DeWayne see's how the 2nd level defenders are responding - and THAT level of eye movement intrigues me.
- Would like to see more willingness to attack the edge when it's there. You don't have to run a 4.3 to get past the tackle.
- Shows some balance and power when DB's have questionable form on tackles. Let's be real, in 2023 football that happens way to much with DB's. So this isn't a backhand at all. Not much lateral shake though, he isn't about to Reggie Bush anybody.
- Needs to be more consistent in his decisiveness on his plant and go.
I see..... something. I can't quite put my finger on what it is? It's like the most faint glimmer of light at a distance. I see flaws, then I see some tiny spark where I feel like you could actually find an OK day 3 RB here. For me McBride looks like another one where, an off-season with Coach Stump the RB Whisperer, might have this kid play well above his draft position.
edit: Day 3, mid to late.
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Starting to see sims/boards plucking likes of J. Campbell, D.Henley & Keeanu Benton in pick groups of #50's to 60's's
..
I'd agree, seeing most of these groups if we sit & pick..
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/nfl-draft-targets-2023?team=CLE
As the norm... Night 1, is going to be a wild Thursday Night in KC ! Happy Friday !
Starting to see sims/boards plucking likes of J. Campbell, D.Henley & Keeanu Benton in pick groups of #50's to 60's's
..
I'd agree, seeing most of these groups if we sit & pick..
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/nfl-draft-targets-2023?team=CLE
As the norm... Night 1, is going to be a wild Thursday Night in KC ! Happy Friday !
Thanks Gumbs! It's great to see a big cluster of guys that could be available each time we pick. Very helpful...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
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Starting to see sims/boards plucking likes of J. Campbell, D.Henley & Keeanu Benton in pick groups of #50's to 60's's
..
I'd agree, seeing most of these groups if we sit & pick..
https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/nfl-draft-targets-2023?team=CLE
As the norm... Night 1, is going to be a wild Thursday Night in KC ! Happy Friday !
Thanks Gumbs! It's great to see a big cluster of guys that could be available each time we pick. Very helpful...
Thanks Gumbs! It's great to see a big cluster of guys that could be available each time we pick. Very helpful...
Like most...
interested to see the real draft board of players remaining at the 42nd pick, that became the Elijah Moore trade..
any hope, Berry has some options to jump into the bottom of the 2nd round if worth it? cost pick #74 & a 4th round, pick #111
62) Philadelphia Eagles
(where is Philly going to put two 1st rd. picks, plus a low 2nd rounder?)
Round 3
64) Chicago Bears
65) Houston Texans
66) Arizona Cardinals
67) Denver Broncos (from Indianapolis)
68) Denver Broncos
69) Los Angeles Rams
70) Las Vegas Raiders
71) New Orleans Saints
72) Tennessee Titans
73) Houston Texans (from Cleveland)
74) *****Cleveland Browns (from N.Y. Jets)***** -
Thanks Gumbs! It's great to see a big cluster of guys that could be available each time we pick. Very helpful...
Like most...
interested to see the real draft board of players remaining at the 42nd pick, that became the Elijah Moore trade..
any hope, Berry has some options to jump into the bottom of the 2nd round if worth it? cost pick #74 & a 4th round, pick #111
62) Philadelphia Eagles
(where is Philly going to put two 1st rd. picks, plus a low 2nd rounder?)
Round 3
64) Chicago Bears
65) Houston Texans
66) Arizona Cardinals
67) Denver Broncos (from Indianapolis)
68) Denver Broncos
69) Los Angeles Rams
70) Las Vegas Raiders
71) New Orleans Saints
72) Tennessee Titans
73) Houston Texans (from Cleveland)
74) *****Cleveland Browns (from N.Y. Jets)*****Like most...
interested to see the real draft board of players remaining at the 42nd pick, that became the Elijah Moore trade..
any hope, Berry has some options to jump into the bottom of the 2nd round if worth it? cost pick #74 & a 4th round, pick #111
62) Philadelphia Eagles
(where is Philly going to put two 1st rd. picks, plus a low 2nd rounder?)
Round 3
64) Chicago Bears
65) Houston Texans
66) Arizona Cardinals
67) Denver Broncos (from Indianapolis)
68) Denver Broncos
69) Los Angeles Rams
70) Las Vegas Raiders
71) New Orleans Saints
72) Tennessee Titans
73) Houston Texans (from Cleveland)
74) *****Cleveland Browns (from N.Y. Jets)*****It feels like we need to. Of the DTs we signed, 2 of them had disappointing 1st gigs. One didn't survive his 1st contract (Hill) and got cut/waived during the 2022 season; then signed by Arizona and then he went on on IR shortly thereafter. Schwartz is a GREAT Defensive Coach but only a miracle worker can turn Raggedy Ann into Aaron Donald. Tomlinson was a great addition/proven starter; but we need another reliable guy that could be well worth trading up for in round 2. If Winfrey takes his meds - I could see Schwartz making him a reliable guy for a rotation up front.
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Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
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Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Which is why we need to trade into next year with the exception of maybe one or two players. But I have my doubts they will be there for us unless we trade up to get them this year. Classic horns of a dilemma. ??
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Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Let's hope it was Howie Roseman that said that sitting on two 1st round picks (#10 and #30) where top talents aren't matching Philly's remaining needs. Andrew Berry has close ties with Roseman after working for him as recently as 2019 so I wouldn't count out a trade-up opportunity here. @gumby73 mentioned Philly because of the 2 first round picks and the 63rd overall pick in round 2.
We can probably land a Mazi Smith or a Keeanu Benton if we find a way to do this up... You give Schwartz a toy like this next to Tomlinson - and it's "GAME ON!"
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Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Let's hope it was Howie Roseman that said that sitting on two 1st round picks (#10 and #30) where top talents aren't matching Philly's remaining needs. Andrew Berry has close ties with Roseman after working for him as recently as 2019 so I wouldn't count out a trade-up opportunity here. @gumby73 mentioned Philly because of the 2 first round picks and the 63rd overall pick in round 2.
We can probably land a Mazi Smith or a Keeanu Benton if we find a way to do this up... You give Schwartz a toy like this next to Tomlinson - and it's "GAME ON!"
Let's hope it was Howie Roseman that said that sitting on two 1st round picks (#10 and #30) where top talents aren't matching Philly's remaining needs. Andrew Berry has close ties with Roseman after working for him as recently as 2019 so I wouldn't count out a trade-up opportunity here. @gumby73 mentioned Philly because of the 2 first round picks and the 63rd overall pick in round 2.
We can probably land a Mazi Smith or a Keeanu Benton if we find a way to do this up... You give Schwartz a toy like this next to Tomlinson - and it's "GAME ON!"
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
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Let's hope it was Howie Roseman that said that sitting on two 1st round picks (#10 and #30) where top talents aren't matching Philly's remaining needs. Andrew Berry has close ties with Roseman after working for him as recently as 2019 so I wouldn't count out a trade-up opportunity here. @gumby73 mentioned Philly because of the 2 first round picks and the 63rd overall pick in round 2.
We can probably land a Mazi Smith or a Keeanu Benton if we find a way to do this up... You give Schwartz a toy like this next to Tomlinson - and it's "GAME ON!"
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
I was thinking pick #30 with the understanding that round 1 ends after the 31st pick this year. I got me a feelin we're gonna get us a big feller as a belated Welcome to Cleveland gift for Schwartz.
Now don't go hurtin my feelins with this crickets stuff!
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Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Which is why we need to trade into next year with the exception of maybe one or two players. But I have my doubts they will be there for us unless we trade up to get them this year. Classic horns of a dilemma. ??
Which is why we need to trade into next year with the exception of maybe one or two players. But I have my doubts they will be there for us unless we trade up to get them this year. Classic horns of a dilemma. ??
Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
The 2013 draft, widely felt to have been pretty weak.
Notable 2nd -4th round picks from that year.
There are always quality football players that can be found. So just packaging picks and checking out for a full year of drafting isn't in the cards
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Let's hope it was Howie Roseman that said that sitting on two 1st round picks (#10 and #30) where top talents aren't matching Philly's remaining needs. Andrew Berry has close ties with Roseman after working for him as recently as 2019 so I wouldn't count out a trade-up opportunity here. @gumby73 mentioned Philly because of the 2 first round picks and the 63rd overall pick in round 2.
We can probably land a Mazi Smith or a Keeanu Benton if we find a way to do this up... You give Schwartz a toy like this next to Tomlinson - and it's "GAME ON!"
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
.0001%. I’d say 5% if we had a first round pick next year to entice that kind of move up.
This “first round” talent this year stinks. If we actually had the #12 pick I’d probably do everything we could do to get a guy like Paris Johnson Jr.
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Anonymous GM: "This draft class sucks."
Which is why we need to trade into next year with the exception of maybe one or two players. But I have my doubts they will be there for us unless we trade up to get them this year. Classic horns of a dilemma. ??
Which is why we need to trade into next year with the exception of maybe one or two players. But I have my doubts they will be there for us unless we trade up to get them this year. Classic horns of a dilemma. ??
I agree, but if this class is as bad as projected, how many GMs are going to want to load up on extra picks this year?
You never know, but it doesn't make much sense to me.
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Let's hope it was Howie Roseman that said that sitting on two 1st round picks (#10 and #30) where top talents aren't matching Philly's remaining needs. Andrew Berry has close ties with Roseman after working for him as recently as 2019 so I wouldn't count out a trade-up opportunity here. @gumby73 mentioned Philly because of the 2 first round picks and the 63rd overall pick in round 2.
We can probably land a Mazi Smith or a Keeanu Benton if we find a way to do this up... You give Schwartz a toy like this next to Tomlinson - and it's "GAME ON!"
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
The only way that happens is if we offer up more than draft picks. We will need to jettison a good player to do so. Chubb and 3rd might do it.
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Which is why we need to trade into next year with the exception of maybe one or two players. But I have my doubts they will be there for us unless we trade up to get them this year. Classic horns of a dilemma. ??
I agree, but if this class is as bad as projected, how many GMs are going to want to load up on extra picks this year?
You never know, but it doesn't make much sense to me.
I agree, but if this class is as bad as projected, how many GMs are going to want to load up on extra picks this year?
You never know, but it doesn't make much sense to me.
Ok, so an un-named GM went on record saying this draft class is horrible during Poker Season. Anyone wonder why it was important for that GM to do that? What could he possibly gain from doing so?
Healthy consumers don't become that by carelessly winging it. Research and identifying what you need as well as who can give you that seems like a sensible way of doing things. There's going to be teams in this draft that are going to get what they want and need. There's a lot of good players in this draft for the teams that understand what the draft is all about.
Signing a ton of 1 year contracts in lieu of building through the draft could be a big reason this FO started off with an 11-5 record (largely from remaining personnel from previous regimes); then dropped to 9-8 before dropping to 7-10.
We have some important needs that still need to be addressed; and there's players in this draft that can help us. That's the reality for the Browns in the basement of the AFC North. Once upon a time I was in my 20s hearing people say you just gotta be patient and understand there's always "next year." Now I'm 59 with a complete understanding that the adopted "next year" mentality has always prevented this franchise from "this year." As a result, the Browns sport the worst winning percentage in the NFL since 1999 with .330. Nothing is ever gonna change if you never consider "this year." That's why we are what our record says we are all the time...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Quick summation of some other late to UDFA RBs I've watched.
Tavion Thomas, Utah - X pass. Might end up going the Rod Smith route though with a bit of a position switch? Fullbacks with utility still have a place in football.
Jordan Mims, Fresno - Fence. Actually catches the ball well when it's outside his frame. But his running style can be a bit inefficient. Wouldn't hate him as a priority UDFA.
Hoping to have some time to knock out (most) of the rest of this class.
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I give us maybe a 5% chance of moving up into the first round to go do something like that. I expect absolute crickets out of Berea on Thursday night.?????
The only way that happens is if we offer up more than draft picks. We will need to jettison a good player to do so. Chubb and 3rd might do it.
The only way that happens is if we offer up more than draft picks. We will need to jettison a good player to do so. Chubb and 3rd might do it.
I'm afraid that would be an old Indians "take three steps back" to move one step forward. Like the Browns did when they traded Paul Warfield to the Dolphins.....
5 days agoThe Browns had two Pro Bowl wide receivers in Gary Collins (1965 and 1966) plus Paul Warfield, who had made it as a rookie in 1964. So, when Modell was offered a second-round draft pick in...In 1970, he was traded to the Miami Dolphins for a draft pick which the Browns used on Purdue University All-American quarterback Mike Phipps. The trade is considered one of the most lopsided...
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