I'm calling out the Cleveland Browns
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I’m watching these Instagram highlights of Watson zinging the ball around…he looks good. I like hearing that he’s got his face in the playbook all the time.
I think we could be sneaky good. I felt good before 2021- but I felt like the expectations were much higher a few years ago the national spotlight is nowhere near us.
key injuries of course could derail things but I think we have rebound year coming.
On paper, there's a lot of things the Browns did this offseason that point to a turnaround from last season's disappointing finish.
But man, if I had a gun to my head I'd probably still have them at 7-10 or 8-9, even though an improvement in all three phases looks very likely. Such is the life of being a jaded Browns fan, I guess. I just do not see Stefanski being the head coach come this time next year.
On paper, there's a lot of things the Browns did this offseason that point to a turnaround from last season's disappointing finish.
But man, if I had a gun to my head I'd probably still have them at 7-10 or 8-9, even though an improvement in all three phases looks very likely. Such is the life of being a jaded Browns fan, I guess. I just do not see Stefanski being the head coach come this time next year.
It's obviously real real easy to be skeptical with the Browns.
While some of their offseason moves didn't "wow" the critics (see article above), I think the Schwartz hiring and the addition of Elijah Moore will be great for them. There's a little bit of the "unexpected" which CAN work in the Browns' favor especially in the early part of the season....they could surprise teams with a different defensive look/schemes, and if thyese analytical nerds put their heads together, the offense could be explosive.
Yeah, I'm more optimistic than pessimistic. When they finally win an opener vs Cincy, well then this board and the entire fan base will be all giddy?
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I’m watching these Instagram highlights of Watson zinging the ball around…he looks good. I like hearing that he’s got his face in the playbook all the time.
I think we could be sneaky good. I felt good before 2021- but I felt like the expectations were much higher a few years ago the national spotlight is nowhere near us.
key injuries of course could derail things but I think we have rebound year coming.
On paper, there's a lot of things the Browns did this offseason that point to a turnaround from last season's disappointing finish.
But man, if I had a gun to my head I'd probably still have them at 7-10 or 8-9, even though an improvement in all three phases looks very likely. Such is the life of being a jaded Browns fan, I guess. I just do not see Stefanski being the head coach come this time next year.
On paper, there's a lot of things the Browns did this offseason that point to a turnaround from last season's disappointing finish.
But man, if I had a gun to my head I'd probably still have them at 7-10 or 8-9, even though an improvement in all three phases looks very likely. Such is the life of being a jaded Browns fan, I guess. I just do not see Stefanski being the head coach come this time next year.
The Browns have the roster to win NOW. Some of our stars are starting to age so if not now, WHEN? If winning and being a part of winning a championship for the best player to ever take the field isn't modivation enough, this team is truely fucked. If they come out and lay a goose egg this season, this team will never be a winner and the cultrure hasn't changed.
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Like I said elsewhere. This team needs to come out blowing snot.
A slow start could end it early. I don't want guys getting hurt in camp, but I would rather that over setting out to game one dilly farting around. We have to win home games, especially home division games.
We need a 7-2 home record to have a chance, with a home sweep of the division rivals. Otherwise we will get screwed by the tie breakers.
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I’m watching these Instagram highlights of Watson zinging the ball around…he looks good. I like hearing that he’s got his face in the playbook all the time.
I think we could be sneaky good. I felt good before 2021- but I felt like the expectations were much higher a few years ago the national spotlight is nowhere near us.
key injuries of course could derail things but I think we have rebound year coming.
On paper, there's a lot of things the Browns did this offseason that point to a turnaround from last season's disappointing finish.
But man, if I had a gun to my head I'd probably still have them at 7-10 or 8-9, even though an improvement in all three phases looks very likely. Such is the life of being a jaded Browns fan, I guess. I just do not see Stefanski being the head coach come this time next year.
On paper, there's a lot of things the Browns did this offseason that point to a turnaround from last season's disappointing finish.
But man, if I had a gun to my head I'd probably still have them at 7-10 or 8-9, even though an improvement in all three phases looks very likely. Such is the life of being a jaded Browns fan, I guess. I just do not see Stefanski being the head coach come this time next year.
For once we agree on something... I was never a proponent of Stefanski from the start.. While I think he's an admirable person and I respect his commitment to God... I just don't think he is the Alpha leader Depodesta envisions him to be.. I say this having been raised by my Father and a Stepfather who were both Alpha personalities.. Strong willed , etc... I think Kevvy is a "nice" guy.. But I agree w/Ghoolie when he says Shitmypantsky is not calling the shots.. Or better to say he's only calling shots on a limited basis.. If that makes any sense... I thought he managed Mayfield poorly and I'm not excusing Mayfield either... Mayfield should've kept his trap shut..... While that ship has sailed.. There are other instances I saw that he mishandled and that was the locker room in general... My gut feeling is Jim Schwartz might become the next HC... I just think he's a more sturdy guide and doesn't put up with BS... Almost Belichic like.. But in his own business like style.
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On paper, there's a lot of things the Browns did this offseason that point to a turnaround from last season's disappointing finish.
But man, if I had a gun to my head I'd probably still have them at 7-10 or 8-9, even though an improvement in all three phases looks very likely. Such is the life of being a jaded Browns fan, I guess. I just do not see Stefanski being the head coach come this time next year.
For once we agree on something... I was never a proponent of Stefanski from the start.. While I think he's an admirable person and I respect his commitment to God... I just don't think he is the Alpha leader Depodesta envisions him to be.. I say this having been raised by my Father and a Stepfather who were both Alpha personalities.. Strong willed , etc... I think Kevvy is a "nice" guy.. But I agree w/Ghoolie when he says Shitmypantsky is not calling the shots.. Or better to say he's only calling shots on a limited basis.. If that makes any sense... I thought he managed Mayfield poorly and I'm not excusing Mayfield either... Mayfield should've kept his trap shut..... While that ship has sailed.. There are other instances I saw that he mishandled and that was the locker room in general... My gut feeling is Jim Schwartz might become the next HC... I just think he's a more sturdy guide and doesn't put up with BS... Almost Belichic like.. But in his own business like style.
For once we agree on something... I was never a proponent of Stefanski from the start.. While I think he's an admirable person and I respect his commitment to God... I just don't think he is the Alpha leader Depodesta envisions him to be.. I say this having been raised by my Father and a Stepfather who were both Alpha personalities.. Strong willed , etc... I think Kevvy is a "nice" guy.. But I agree w/Ghoolie when he says Shitmypantsky is not calling the shots.. Or better to say he's only calling shots on a limited basis.. If that makes any sense... I thought he managed Mayfield poorly and I'm not excusing Mayfield either... Mayfield should've kept his trap shut..... While that ship has sailed.. There are other instances I saw that he mishandled and that was the locker room in general... My gut feeling is Jim Schwartz might become the next HC... I just think he's a more sturdy guide and doesn't put up with BS... Almost Belichic like.. But in his own business like style.
Oh wow, I'm off ignore?
Please put me back on.
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On paper, there's a lot of things the Browns did this offseason that point to a turnaround from last season's disappointing finish.
But man, if I had a gun to my head I'd probably still have them at 7-10 or 8-9, even though an improvement in all three phases looks very likely. Such is the life of being a jaded Browns fan, I guess. I just do not see Stefanski being the head coach come this time next year.
The Browns have the roster to win NOW. Some of our stars are starting to age so if not now, WHEN? If winning and being a part of winning a championship for the best player to ever take the field isn't modivation enough, this team is truely fucked. If they come out and lay a goose egg this season, this team will never be a winner and the cultrure hasn't changed.
The Browns have the roster to win NOW. Some of our stars are starting to age so if not now, WHEN? If winning and being a part of winning a championship for the best player to ever take the field isn't modivation enough, this team is truely fucked. If they come out and lay a goose egg this season, this team will never be a winner and the cultrure hasn't changed.
Are saying the name of the new stadium should be Charlie Brown Stadium rather than Jim Brown Stadium??
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The Browns have the roster to win NOW. Some of our stars are starting to age so if not now, WHEN? If winning and being a part of winning a championship for the best player to ever take the field isn't modivation enough, this team is truely fucked. If they come out and lay a goose egg this season, this team will never be a winner and the cultrure hasn't changed.
Are saying the name of the new stadium should be Charlie Brown Stadium rather than Jim Brown Stadium??
Are saying the name of the new stadium should be Charlie Brown Stadium rather than Jim Brown Stadium??
They have all the talent and they have a reason to go deep into the postseason. If they have a losing season this year, you might as well make Charlie Brown the mascot with peppermint Patty pulling the ball away.
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I’m watching these Instagram highlights of Watson zinging the ball around…he looks good. I like hearing that he’s got his face in the playbook all the time.
I think we could be sneaky good. I felt good before 2021- but I felt like the expectations were much higher a few years ago the national spotlight is nowhere near us.
key injuries of course could derail things but I think we have rebound year coming.
On paper, there's a lot of things the Browns did this offseason that point to a turnaround from last season's disappointing finish.
But man, if I had a gun to my head I'd probably still have them at 7-10 or 8-9, even though an improvement in all three phases looks very likely. Such is the life of being a jaded Browns fan, I guess. I just do not see Stefanski being the head coach come this time next year.
On paper, there's a lot of things the Browns did this offseason that point to a turnaround from last season's disappointing finish.
But man, if I had a gun to my head I'd probably still have them at 7-10 or 8-9, even though an improvement in all three phases looks very likely. Such is the life of being a jaded Browns fan, I guess. I just do not see Stefanski being the head coach come this time next year.
Stefanski is squarely on the hot seat. If it doesn’t go well or goes same as usual- he’s gone and then you have 2024 where Berry and Watson will be on that spot.We had a ton of brain fart type games…Jets, Falcons, Chargers, Saints…we had no business losing those games…give us two there and we are 9-8…three and we are a 10 win team.
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On paper, there's a lot of things the Browns did this offseason that point to a turnaround from last season's disappointing finish.
But man, if I had a gun to my head I'd probably still have them at 7-10 or 8-9, even though an improvement in all three phases looks very likely. Such is the life of being a jaded Browns fan, I guess. I just do not see Stefanski being the head coach come this time next year.
Stefanski is squarely on the hot seat. If it doesn’t go well or goes same as usual- he’s gone and then you have 2024 where Berry and Watson will be on that spot.We had a ton of brain fart type games…Jets, Falcons, Chargers, Saints…we had no business losing those games…give us two there and we are 9-8…three and we are a 10 win team.
We had a ton of brain fart type games…Jets, Falcons, Chargers, Saints…we had no business losing those games…give us two there and we are 9-8…three and we are a 10 win team.
Jets & Saints games were squarely on the players IMHO.
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Jimmy Haslam still own the team?
Dee still involved in the decision-making process?
Kevin Stefanski is the last scapegoat they've got.
Jim Brown needs to smile upon the team from Heaven.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
NFL Head Coaching Rankings: Which Team’s Coach Reigns Supreme?
#23. Kevin Stefanski, Cleveland Browns
Seasons With Team: 3 | Head Coaching Record: *26-24
Analysis: This feels like a big year for Stefanski after he won a playoff game and had the Cleveland Browns on the precipice of an AFC Championship game in Year 1. They’ve gone in the wrong direction the last two years. With Deshaun Watson eligible to play the whole year, Stefanski better make sure Browns owner Jimmy Haslam starts to get a return on that absurd investment, or Haslam will try to find someone else who can.
https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/nfl-head-coaching-rankings-which-teams-coach-reigns-supreme/ debatable list
Will mention Stef has not had the best of roster luck since year 1 neither..
Malek McDowell flips out..Garrett flips his car to Pro toe Bowl..Watson suspended 10* games.. Defensive players disconnect from Joe Woods.. LB'er position down 3 key players to IR.. Pro Bowl returner Jakeem Grant blows a knee untouched at training camp.. ?
Let's hope these kinda un-lucky roster train wrecks are in Stef's past too..
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NFL Head Coaching Rankings: Which Team’s Coach Reigns Supreme?
#23. Kevin Stefanski, Cleveland Browns
Seasons With Team: 3 | Head Coaching Record: *26-24
Analysis: This feels like a big year for Stefanski after he won a playoff game and had the Cleveland Browns on the precipice of an AFC Championship game in Year 1. They’ve gone in the wrong direction the last two years. With Deshaun Watson eligible to play the whole year, Stefanski better make sure Browns owner Jimmy Haslam starts to get a return on that absurd investment, or Haslam will try to find someone else who can.
https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/nfl-head-coaching-rankings-which-teams-coach-reigns-supreme/ debatable list
Will mention Stef has not had the best of roster luck since year 1 neither..
Malek McDowell flips out..Garrett flips his car to Pro toe Bowl..Watson suspended 10* games.. Defensive players disconnect from Joe Woods.. LB'er position down 3 key players to IR.. Pro Bowl returner Jakeem Grant blows a knee untouched at training camp.. ?
Let's hope these kinda un-lucky roster train wrecks are in Stef's past too..
NFL Head Coaching Rankings: Which Team’s Coach Reigns Supreme?
#23. Kevin Stefanski, Cleveland Browns
Seasons With Team: 3 | Head Coaching Record: *26-24
Analysis: This feels like a big year for Stefanski after he won a playoff game and had the Cleveland Browns on the precipice of an AFC Championship game in Year 1. They’ve gone in the wrong direction the last two years. With Deshaun Watson eligible to play the whole year, Stefanski better make sure Browns owner Jimmy Haslam starts to get a return on that absurd investment, or Haslam will try to find someone else who can.
https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/nfl-head-coaching-rankings-which-teams-coach-reigns-supreme/ debatable list
Will mention Stef has not had the best of roster luck since year 1 neither..
Malek McDowell flips out..Garrett flips his car..Watson suspended 10* games.. Defensive players disconnect from Joe Woods.. LB'er position down 3 key players to IR.. Pro Bowl returner Jakeem Grant blows a knee untouched at training camp.. ?
Let's hope these kinda un-lucky roster train wrecks our in Stef's past too..
2020 the stars all aligned for Stefanski
2021 was a poor coaching job.
2022 was the doomed from the start and then what could go wrong went wrong complemented by his poor playing calling.
i really like the Schwartz move and I think it will save his job. Stefanksi is going to continue to poke his head in play calling he needs a “general” on the other side of the ball with HC experience to boot to throw in some 02 cents when it comes to in game stuff.
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We had a ton of brain fart type games…Jets, Falcons, Chargers, Saints…we had no business losing those games…give us two there and we are 9-8…three and we are a 10 win team.
Jets & Saints games were squarely on the players IMHO.
Jets & Saints games were squarely on the players IMHO.
agreed !
but what may have gotten the interest of Jimmy Haslam to re-construct his stadium was that Saints game ?
Go back to a holiday game in Green Bay on a non frozen tundra.. that game the Browns competed their butts off... cold/snow but not a frozen field
?These Browns, have no edge playing on Cleveland's frozen turf. Next to a frozen Lake w/high winds. Haslam might have this idea in his new reconstruction plans?
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We had a ton of brain fart type games…Jets, Falcons, Chargers, Saints…we had no business losing those games…give us two there and we are 9-8…three and we are a 10 win team.
Jets & Saints games were squarely on the players IMHO.
Jets & Saints games were squarely on the players IMHO.
For me it was a collective failure...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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Jimmy Haslam still own the team?
Dee still involved in the decision-making process?
Kevin Stefanski is the last scapegoat they've got.
Jim Brown needs to smile upon the team from Heaven.
WSS
Jimmy Haslam still own the team?
WSS
I don't know my friend. You may be confusing the Haslam from his first few years as owner v the owner he has become.
I think he is a pretty darn good owner. I am not so sure if he ever meddled, but I am sure he doesn't today. I think he has assembled a solid front office, and a coach still to be determined, but Stefanski has done some good things. You even said something about Stefanski being a scapegoat, which indicated you don't think he is all that bad.
The last thing that is big for an owner is he isn't skimpy in the pockets. He opens the bank when his GM thinks we need to get a player. I am not sure what some people expect out of an owner. They don't play or coach. All they do is provide facilities, which seem to be solid, and spend money when necessary, which he has.
Stefanski picked his coaches. Not the owner. Stefanski and the veterans on the team set the culture, not the owner.
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Jimmy Haslam still own the team?
WSS
I don't know my friend. You may be confusing the Haslam from his first few years as owner v the owner he has become.
I think he is a pretty darn good owner. I am not so sure if he ever meddled, but I am sure he doesn't today. I think he has assembled a solid front office, and a coach still to be determined, but Stefanski has done some good things. You even said something about Stefanski being a scapegoat, which indicated you don't think he is all that bad.
The last thing that is big for an owner is he isn't skimpy in the pockets. He opens the bank when his GM thinks we need to get a player. I am not sure what some people expect out of an owner. They don't play or coach. All they do is provide facilities, which seem to be solid, and spend money when necessary, which he has.
Stefanski picked his coaches. Not the owner. Stefanski and the veterans on the team set the culture, not the owner.
I don't know my friend. You may be confusing the Haslam from his first few years as owner v the owner he has become.
I think he is a pretty darn good owner. I am not so sure if he ever meddled, but I am sure he doesn't today. I think he has assembled a solid front office, and a coach still to be determined, but Stefanski has done some good things. You even said something about Stefanski being a scapegoat, which indicated you don't think he is all that bad.
The last thing that is big for an owner is he isn't skimpy in the pockets. He opens the bank when his GM thinks we need to get a player. I am not sure what some people expect out of an owner. They don't play or coach. All they do is provide facilities, which seem to be solid, and spend money when necessary, which he has.
Stefanski picked his coaches. Not the owner. Stefanski and the veterans on the team set the culture, not the owner.
Maybe. One of the points you make has to do with the hierarchy of command which I don't think we really know. Is it stefansky de podesta Berry the homeless guy Dee somebody else? Everybody in the building?
And yes he spends money. Ready Learner spent money. It's a lot easier in modern NFL because there's not much chance of losing money. That even benefits traditional skin flints Like Mike Browns of the league. Hey bro you can still turn out to be correct and I would have to eat a big plate of crow.
What do you need to happen for you to say you were right by the end of the season? Wild card appearance? Wild card win? More?
I have more to gain if I'm wrong because that means the Browns will be kicking some ass. If they still suck at the end of this season that's a hollow victory for me.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
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I don't know my friend. You may be confusing the Haslam from his first few years as owner v the owner he has become.
I think he is a pretty darn good owner. I am not so sure if he ever meddled, but I am sure he doesn't today. I think he has assembled a solid front office, and a coach still to be determined, but Stefanski has done some good things. You even said something about Stefanski being a scapegoat, which indicated you don't think he is all that bad.
The last thing that is big for an owner is he isn't skimpy in the pockets. He opens the bank when his GM thinks we need to get a player. I am not sure what some people expect out of an owner. They don't play or coach. All they do is provide facilities, which seem to be solid, and spend money when necessary, which he has.
Stefanski picked his coaches. Not the owner. Stefanski and the veterans on the team set the culture, not the owner.
Maybe. One of the points you make has to do with the hierarchy of command which I don't think we really know. Is it stefansky de podesta Berry the homeless guy Dee somebody else? Everybody in the building?
And yes he spends money. Ready Learner spent money. It's a lot easier in modern NFL because there's not much chance of losing money. That even benefits traditional skin flints Like Mike Browns of the league. Hey bro you can still turn out to be correct and I would have to eat a big plate of crow.
What do you need to happen for you to say you were right by the end of the season? Wild card appearance? Wild card win? More?
I have more to gain if I'm wrong because that means the Browns will be kicking some ass. If they still suck at the end of this season that's a hollow victory for me.
WSS
What do you need to happen for you to say you were right by the end of the season? Wild card appearance? Wild card win? More?
I have more to gain if I'm wrong because that means the Browns will be kicking some ass. If they still suck at the end of this season that's a hollow victory for me.
WSS
I don't see how them sucking is a hollow victory for anybody. Well, maybe it would be for me. I have had my season tickets for 17 seasons now. I have been flirting with the idea of giving them up. The travel just isn't as easy as it once was. If they suck, it would make that decision a whole lot easier. Not to mention the $4400 I spend on the tickets plus the 3 days of travel cost.
As for what it will take? Hard to say, or put a number on things. I guess I'll know it when I see it. I could see things work out where a team with 11 wins might not make a wildcard with the way the AFC is this year. It would be hard for me to call that a bad season.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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