Terry Pluto on Browns OTAs
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Possibly OT, but fun
If you're not aware how a "modern" NFL defense plays man on one side of the field and zone on the other.. you might learn something by watching.
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I suppose you mean Myles.
Linemen don't matter. It might matter for new players so they can get to know some of their teammates, but linemen and backs don't have anything to do during these sessions. As was stated in the article, it is a passing camp, so unless I was a rookie or new to the team, why bother?
He's not going to bother to respond back to you.
The only thing he's here to do is to troll.
You'd think the moderators would catch on to this...
He's not going to bother to respond back to you.
The only thing he's here to do is to troll.
You'd think the moderators would catch on to this...
Ooooh, my stalker is back.
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Saw an article saying out defensive leader didnt show up for OTA
I suppose you mean Myles.
Linemen don't matter. It might matter for new players so they can get to know some of their teammates, but linemen and backs don't have anything to do during these sessions. As was stated in the article, it is a passing camp, so unless I was a rookie or new to the team, why bother?
I suppose you mean Myles.
Linemen don't matter. It might matter for new players so they can get to know some of their teammates, but linemen and backs don't have anything to do during these sessions. As was stated in the article, it is a passing camp, so unless I was a rookie or new to the team, why bother?
Be a leader?
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He's not going to bother to respond back to you.
The only thing he's here to do is to troll.
You'd think the moderators would catch on to this...
Ooooh, my stalker is back.
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Welcome on board !
One day left of OTA's
I've never known Jim Schwartz to shy away from his plans..
Browns mandatory minicamp: June 6-8 heading to the Greenbrier in West Virginia from July 22-30.
From the article.
ROTATING NICKEL COVERAGE ROLE
Denzel Ward spoke today about the slot corner role being a moving target for the defense. He noted he will be aligning in there more often and Schwartz also touched on the topic.
From a couple months ago....
Like I've said before, Woods wasn't the 1st, 2nd or 3rd thing wrong with this defense. But he did (didn't do) some things I would have liked to see. Having Ward play more snaps in the slot is probably the biggest one of those.
From the article.
ROTATING NICKEL COVERAGE ROLE
Denzel Ward spoke today about the slot corner role being a moving target for the defense. He noted he will be aligning in there more often and Schwartz also touched on the topic.
From a couple months ago....
Like I've said before, Woods wasn't the 1st, 2nd or 3rd thing wrong with this defense. But he did (didn't do) some things I would have liked to see. Having Ward play more snaps in the slot is probably the biggest one of those.
I am not so sure.
To me the big problem was communication. That is on the D coordinator.
Everything I gather is there was too much thinking and not enough reacting and making the O react to what you are doing. Teaching graduate material to an undergraduate class is on the professor if everybody is failing.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
I suppose you mean Myles.
Linemen don't matter. It might matter for new players so they can get to know some of their teammates, but linemen and backs don't have anything to do during these sessions. As was stated in the article, it is a passing camp, so unless I was a rookie or new to the team, why bother?
Be a leader?
Be a leader?
And do what? I am serious. Standing around is being a leader? Plus, who says Myles is or wants to be a leader? You don't pin the leader tag on the donkey. It just happens. Some special teams player can emerge as a leader. It doesn't have to be the best player.
As fans we many times think the best player has to be the leader, but the players on the team determine who is the leader.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
1. At the end of the day just give me a dependable number 2 behind Cooper. I don't care about rookie contracts or how many spaces we moved back.
2. Jim Schwartz gets a passing grade if he can simply improve the run D and provide a scheme that provides pressure outside of Myles Garrett.
3. Does our press always need to obsess about our second string QB? They are always looking for the next thing, its annoying.
1. At the end of the day just give me a dependable number 2 behind Cooper. I don't care about rookie contracts or how many spaces we moved back.
2. Jim Schwartz gets a passing grade if he can simply improve the run D and provide a scheme that provides pressure outside of Myles Garrett.
3. Does our press always need to obsess about our second string QB? They are always looking for the next thing, its annoying.
1 & 2. BINGO
3. Depending on how old fans are - you may find a lot of people that agree with you about the focus on the 2nd string QB. In 1970 the Browns traded up for the 3rd overall pick - Purdue's Mike Phipps. That never unfolded as the Browns hoped it would and Bill Nelsen's knees where slamming his career into park. 2 years later, the Browns drafted a guy that was almost 6'1" tall at 170lbs in the 13th round out of San Diego State. Rumor had it, if this guy participated in a punt, pass and kick competition for teenage girls - he'd be lucky if he finished in the top 3. This guy's name was Brian Sipe who went on to become the only NFL MVP this franchise has had after the 60s. With all the disappointing 1st round QBs this franchise has drafted after the 80s, the most popular guy in Cleveland always seemed to be the 2nd string QB. I still remember a game where Tim Couch laid motionless for a few minutes or so on the field. Consequently, Kelly Holcomb started warming up his arm to what sounded like the chorus of 60,000 fans cheering. Even though many/most of them weren't cheering Couch's injury - it still seemed kind of eerie. That's all part of that culture where the 2nd string QB in Cleveland was very popular with the fans. The best way to sell newspapers was to feed that craving from our fanbase right or wrong. It does get old after a while so I GET why you feel the way you do. Just know, it's not going away any time soon.
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Be a leader?
And do what? I am serious. Standing around is being a leader? Plus, who says Myles is or wants to be a leader? You don't pin the leader tag on the donkey. It just happens. Some special teams player can emerge as a leader. It doesn't have to be the best player.
As fans we many times think the best player has to be the leader, but the players on the team determine who is the leader.
And do what? I am serious. Standing around is being a leader? Plus, who says Myles is or wants to be a leader? You don't pin the leader tag on the donkey. It just happens. Some special teams player can emerge as a leader. It doesn't have to be the best player.
As fans we many times think the best player has to be the leader, but the players on the team determine who is the leader.
Good points!
However, I will say that the work ethic of Garrett and Chubb make them both good leaders by example for the younger guys transitioning from college to PROFESSIONAL football. They can be quiet leaders in that way; but they don't necessarily have to be team captains per say. Like you said, the players often vote on that because it's effective.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I suppose you mean Myles.
Linemen don't matter. It might matter for new players so they can get to know some of their teammates, but linemen and backs don't have anything to do during these sessions. As was stated in the article, it is a passing camp, so unless I was a rookie or new to the team, why bother?
He's not going to bother to respond back to you.
The only thing he's here to do is to troll.
You'd think the moderators would catch on to this...
He's not going to bother to respond back to you.
The only thing he's here to do is to troll.
You'd think the moderators would catch on to this...
Do you find it interesting that many of the guys that wanted Donald Trump to be their political messiah don't want Deshaun Watson to be the QB of the Browns?
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He's not going to bother to respond back to you.
The only thing he's here to do is to troll.
You'd think the moderators would catch on to this...
Do you find it interesting that many of the guys that wanted Donald Trump to be their political messiah don't want Deshaun Watson to be the QB of the Browns?
Do you find it interesting that many of the guys that wanted Donald Trump to be their political messiah don't want Deshaun Watson to be the QB of the Browns?
I'd don't find anything Trump supporters think "interesting".
But I get the irony, of course. Their selective moral compass is hilarious.
But let's keep the political talk to the cesspool that is the Poliboard.
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And do what? I am serious. Standing around is being a leader? Plus, who says Myles is or wants to be a leader? You don't pin the leader tag on the donkey. It just happens. Some special teams player can emerge as a leader. It doesn't have to be the best player.
As fans we many times think the best player has to be the leader, but the players on the team determine who is the leader.
Good points!
However, I will say that the work ethic of Garrett and Chubb make them both good leaders by example for the younger guys transitioning from college to PROFESSIONAL football. They can be quiet leaders in that way; but they don't necessarily have to be team captains per say. Like you said, the players often vote on that because it's effective.
Good points!
However, I will say that the work ethic of Garrett and Chubb make them both good leaders by example for the younger guys transitioning from college to PROFESSIONAL football. They can be quiet leaders in that way; but they don't necessarily have to be team captains per say. Like you said, the players often vote on that because it's effective.
I am not saying guys like that aren't leaders. I am just saying that showing up to voluntary OTA's makes or doesn't make them leaders. It's all 7 on 7 stuff. Linemen of any sort don't do anything but stand around. There is some classroom stuff, but guys like Myles don't need that.
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Good points!
However, I will say that the work ethic of Garrett and Chubb make them both good leaders by example for the younger guys transitioning from college to PROFESSIONAL football. They can be quiet leaders in that way; but they don't necessarily have to be team captains per say. Like you said, the players often vote on that because it's effective.
I am not saying guys like that aren't leaders. I am just saying that showing up to voluntary OTA's makes or doesn't make them leaders. It's all 7 on 7 stuff. Linemen of any sort don't do anything but stand around. There is some classroom stuff, but guys like Myles don't need that.
I am not saying guys like that aren't leaders. I am just saying that showing up to voluntary OTA's makes or doesn't make them leaders. It's all 7 on 7 stuff. Linemen of any sort don't do anything but stand around. There is some classroom stuff, but guys like Myles don't need that.
We're in total agreement, which is why I started with "Good points!" I just wanted to piggyback in that leaders don't need to be loud. I like your points made as well.
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From the article.
ROTATING NICKEL COVERAGE ROLE
Denzel Ward spoke today about the slot corner role being a moving target for the defense. He noted he will be aligning in there more often and Schwartz also touched on the topic.
From a couple months ago....
Like I've said before, Woods wasn't the 1st, 2nd or 3rd thing wrong with this defense. But he did (didn't do) some things I would have liked to see. Having Ward play more snaps in the slot is probably the biggest one of those.
I am not so sure.
To me the big problem was communication. That is on the D coordinator.
Everything I gather is there was too much thinking and not enough reacting and making the O react to what you are doing. Teaching graduate material to an undergraduate class is on the professor if everybody is failing.
I am not so sure.
To me the big problem was communication. That is on the D coordinator.
Everything I gather is there was too much thinking and not enough reacting and making the O react to what you are doing. Teaching graduate material to an undergraduate class is on the professor if everybody is failing.
The two biggest coverage busts, one which went for a big gain that setup the Panthers in scoring position...
The other which gave the Jets a tying touchdown...
Both were to Grant Delpit's side of the field. Both, unsurprisingly, came with calls being incorrectly given to the corners. Either not knowing the correct verbiage or just relaying the wrong call to the DB's on your split field is absolutely on your shoulders as a safety. I've done that before too. We had a check ("red") against certain looks, and I gave a bad check. Locked a corner in man and forgot he wasn't in cloud. RB ended up catching a short gain flat, and took it for a TD in a game that was decided by 6 points against a team from PA (Hickory) That shit made me sick to my stomach.
It's up to the D cord to make sure these players are versed in the language and can effectively communicate within that language. If somebody botches the call wrong on the field, that isn't on the coach. Players need accountability as well. By no small coincidence, once Delpit's role was reduced to more of his 2021 limitations, he started playing better. Kid just mentally had trouble getting up to speed. And he was a high 2nd round pick with expectations to take that next step, on a team that didn't have a ton of quality DB play behind him.
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I am not so sure.
To me the big problem was communication. That is on the D coordinator.
Everything I gather is there was too much thinking and not enough reacting and making the O react to what you are doing. Teaching graduate material to an undergraduate class is on the professor if everybody is failing.
The two biggest coverage busts, one which went for a big gain that setup the Panthers in scoring position...
The other which gave the Jets a tying touchdown...
Both were to Grant Delpit's side of the field. Both, unsurprisingly, came with calls being incorrectly given to the corners. Either not knowing the correct verbiage or just relaying the wrong call to the DB's on your split field is absolutely on your shoulders as a safety. I've done that before too. We had a check ("red") against certain looks, and I gave a bad check. Locked a corner in man and forgot he wasn't in cloud. RB ended up catching a short gain flat, and took it for a TD in a game that was decided by 6 points against a team from PA (Hickory) That shit made me sick to my stomach.
It's up to the D cord to make sure these players are versed in the language and can effectively communicate within that language. If somebody botches the call wrong on the field, that isn't on the coach. Players need accountability as well. By no small coincidence, once Delpit's role was reduced to more of his 2021 limitations, he started playing better. Kid just mentally had trouble getting up to speed. And he was a high 2nd round pick with expectations to take that next step, on a team that didn't have a ton of quality DB play behind him.
The two biggest coverage busts, one which went for a big gain that setup the Panthers in scoring position...
The other which gave the Jets a tying touchdown...
Both were to Grant Delpit's side of the field. Both, unsurprisingly, came with calls being incorrectly given to the corners. Either not knowing the correct verbiage or just relaying the wrong call to the DB's on your split field is absolutely on your shoulders as a safety. I've done that before too. We had a check ("red") against certain looks, and I gave a bad check. Locked a corner in man and forgot he wasn't in cloud. RB ended up catching a short gain flat, and took it for a TD in a game that was decided by 6 points against a team from PA (Hickory) That shit made me sick to my stomach.
It's up to the D cord to make sure these players are versed in the language and can effectively communicate within that language. If somebody botches the call wrong on the field, that isn't on the coach. Players need accountability as well. By no small coincidence, once Delpit's role was reduced to more of his 2021 limitations, he started playing better. Kid just mentally had trouble getting up to speed. And he was a high 2nd round pick with expectations to take that next step, on a team that didn't have a ton of quality DB play behind him.
No doubt players need to be held accountable. I agree 100%.
As you said, "It's up to the D cord to make sure these players are versed in the language and can effectively communicate within that language."
If the language is too hard, or the player is too dim to be able to do that, you best not play him. If it is simply a mistake, well, shit happens.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
The Jets “Hail Mary” you are up 30-17 under 2 mins…the two deepest guys have one job and one job only don’t let anyone in an opposing jersey deeper than you. Mistakes happen. The mistake should have been both guys tailing the deep guy.
We may find out Joe had some knuckleheads he was working with but he was given time and draft capital and we had an infusion of talent from his first year…we tried.
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And do what? I am serious. Standing around is being a leader? Plus, who says Myles is or wants to be a leader? You don't pin the leader tag on the donkey. It just happens. Some special teams player can emerge as a leader. It doesn't have to be the best player.
As fans we many times think the best player has to be the leader, but the players on the team determine who is the leader.
Good points!
However, I will say that the work ethic of Garrett and Chubb make them both good leaders by example for the younger guys transitioning from college to PROFESSIONAL football. They can be quiet leaders in that way; but they don't necessarily have to be team captains per say. Like you said, the players often vote on that because it's effective.
I will say that the work ethic of Garrett and Chubb make them both good leaders by example for the younger guys transitioning from college to PROFESSIONAL football.
umm....neither guy showed up for the OTA. So that's the 1st work ethic thing the younger players learned from our team leaders.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
I will say that the work ethic of Garrett and Chubb make them both good leaders by example for the younger guys transitioning from college to PROFESSIONAL football.
umm....neither guy showed up for the OTA. So that's the 1st work ethic thing the younger players learned from our team leaders.
umm....neither guy showed up for the OTA. So that's the 1st work ethic thing the younger players learned from our team leaders.
As bad as that may seem to some of us - try not let it twist your nipples. Find me 2 veterans on this team that condition themselves better and consistently play at a Pro Bowl level because of it. At this time of the off-season, I'd rather see the guys competing for the 2nd RB role learning and getting acclimated with all the OTA reps (than the guy that continuously averages over 5 yards a carry and ranks #1 or #2 in yards after contact). On defense, there's a ton of newbies/newcomers at DE that could use the OTA reps more than Garrett needs them. It's a long season ahead so they'll have plenty of chances to role model how they became ideal professionals that have EARNED very respectful contract extensions from their employer. As the season gets underway, new teammates can also watch film of how they excel during games.
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I will say that the work ethic of Garrett and Chubb make them both good leaders by example for the younger guys transitioning from college to PROFESSIONAL football.
umm....neither guy showed up for the OTA. So that's the 1st work ethic thing the younger players learned from our team leaders.
umm....neither guy showed up for the OTA. So that's the 1st work ethic thing the younger players learned from our team leaders.
As bad as that may seem to some of us - try not let it twist your nipples. Find me 2 veterans on this team that condition themselves better and consistently play at a Pro Bowl level because of it. At this time of the off-season, I'd rather see the guys competing for the 2nd RB role learning and getting acclimated with all the OTA reps (than the guy that continuously averages over 5 yards a carry and ranks #1 or #2 in yards after contact). On defense, there's a ton of newbies/newcomers at DE that could use the OTA reps more than Garrett needs them. It's a long season ahead so they'll have plenty of chances to role model how they became ideal professionals that have EARNED very respectful contract extensions from their employer. As the season gets underway, new teammates can also watch film of how they excel during games.
We are gonna need Nick in December and January. I’m predicting this season to be his heaviest workload. Mental reps at this point are less important than him conditioning his body for the grind…he still looks like spends more time in the weight room than in front of TV and quite honestly he’s the guy i worry about the least.
Now If we want to see leadership we need Myles to play 17 games next year if he misses a few it’s because of a cut block and not a joyride.
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The two biggest coverage busts, one which went for a big gain that setup the Panthers in scoring position...
The other which gave the Jets a tying touchdown...
Both were to Grant Delpit's side of the field. Both, unsurprisingly, came with calls being incorrectly given to the corners. Either not knowing the correct verbiage or just relaying the wrong call to the DB's on your split field is absolutely on your shoulders as a safety. I've done that before too. We had a check ("red") against certain looks, and I gave a bad check. Locked a corner in man and forgot he wasn't in cloud. RB ended up catching a short gain flat, and took it for a TD in a game that was decided by 6 points against a team from PA (Hickory) That shit made me sick to my stomach.
It's up to the D cord to make sure these players are versed in the language and can effectively communicate within that language. If somebody botches the call wrong on the field, that isn't on the coach. Players need accountability as well. By no small coincidence, once Delpit's role was reduced to more of his 2021 limitations, he started playing better. Kid just mentally had trouble getting up to speed. And he was a high 2nd round pick with expectations to take that next step, on a team that didn't have a ton of quality DB play behind him.
No doubt players need to be held accountable. I agree 100%.
As you said, "It's up to the D cord to make sure these players are versed in the language and can effectively communicate within that language."
If the language is too hard, or the player is too dim to be able to do that, you best not play him. If it is simply a mistake, well, shit happens.
If the language is too hard, or the player is too dim to be able to do that, you best not play him. If it is simply a mistake, well, shit happens.
It's the NFL, you acclimate and play to the level, not the other way around. And while I'm not going to use the word 'dim', there was a reason Grant's role was reduced at times. But those reductions, especially at safety, harm the defense as a whole. The Pats game was the first instance of that.
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