Juan Thornhill talks about negativity from the press and fan's in Cleveland
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Yup. After Jim left, Leroy Kelly filled right in nicely...and became my favorite player also.
So who is better - Kelly or Nick Chubb?
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WOW! Thank you! I'm from Upstate NY between Buffalo and Syracuse. Back in the day, Syracuse had RBs like Jim Brown, Ernie Davis and Larry Csonka (
My favorite Gipper story was when he found out I am from Ravenna, and we started talking high school football. In the 60s, Ravenna had a RB named Don Nottingham, and at about the same time 10 miles west Stow had Larry Csonka. Everyone knows Csonka, but Nottingham played in the NFL too.
Gipper told me that he had a friend who played against both, since Ravenna and Stow both played his high school. His friend told him that Csonka was a lightweight compared to Nottingham. He was nicknamed "The Human Cannonball".
My favorite Gipper story was when he found out I am from Ravenna, and we started talking high school football. In the 60s, Ravenna had a RB named Don Nottingham, and at about the same time 10 miles east Stow had Larry Csonka. Everyone knows Csonka, but Nottingham played in the NFL too.
Gipper told me that he had a friend who played against both, since Ravenna and Stow both played his high school. His friend told him that Csonka was a lightweight compared to Nottingham. He was nicknamed "The Human Cannon Ball".
You're right Nottingham was also called "The Bowling Ball". LOVED watching him. He was a more compact version of Larry Csonka which made him even harder to tackle. My dad would always you gotta watch this guy. He played also played for Shula in Miami after spending his 1st few years with the Colts.
I was REALLY impressed you remembered how hard of a time Cleveland gave that 72 Dolphins team in the playoffs. They were the closest team to beating Miami. They had em 14-13 late midway through the 4th quarter. Do you remember the 8-8 Cleveland team in 85 that blew a 21-3 lead to Miami in the 1st round of the playoffs?
Good Lord!!!!
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My favorite Gipper story was when he found out I am from Ravenna, and we started talking high school football. In the 60s, Ravenna had a RB named Don Nottingham, and at about the same time 10 miles east Stow had Larry Csonka. Everyone knows Csonka, but Nottingham played in the NFL too.
Gipper told me that he had a friend who played against both, since Ravenna and Stow both played his high school. His friend told him that Csonka was a lightweight compared to Nottingham. He was nicknamed "The Human Cannon Ball".
You're right Nottingham was also called "The Bowling Ball". LOVED watching him. He was a more compact version of Larry Csonka which made him even harder to tackle. My dad would always you gotta watch this guy. He played also played for Shula in Miami after spending his 1st few years with the Colts.
I was REALLY impressed you remembered how hard of a time Cleveland gave that 72 Dolphins team in the playoffs. They were the closest team to beating Miami. They had em 14-13 late midway through the 4th quarter. Do you remember the 8-8 Cleveland team in 85 that blew a 21-3 lead to Miami in the 1st round of the playoffs?
Good Lord!!!!
You're right Nottingham was also called "The Bowling Ball". LOVED watching him. He was a more compact version of Larry Csonka which made him even harder to tackle. My dad would always you gotta watch this guy. He played also played for Shula in Miami after spending his 1st few years with the Colts.
I was REALLY impressed you remembered how hard of a time Cleveland gave that 72 Dolphins team in the playoffs. They were the closest team to beating Miami. They had em 14-13 late midway through the 4th quarter. Do you remember the 8-8 Cleveland team in 85 that blew a 21-3 lead to Miami in the 1st round of the playoffs?
Good Lord!!!!
Check out the conversation between TattleCal and Orion about Jim Brown. That got really funny.
That's right, even when I wrote "The Cannonball" I thought that doesn't sound right.
My dad often talked about how close the Browns came to upending the Dolphins perfect season, I even watched a youtube video of the highlights after posting about it.
I vividly remember watching the game at a friend of mine's house in Kent, we had played outside in the snow, then came in to watch the game. I would have been 10. Byner was an absolute beast, but a lack of a passing attack kind of hampered the Browns ability to add to their lead. The Browns would fix that problem the next year in Kosar's sophomore year. Shortly after, Don Rogers would die of a cocaine overdose. Many speculate how the Browns defensive fortunes would have fared going forward with Rogers still on the team, he was potentially that good of a safety.
TattleCal.... ?
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You're right Nottingham was also called "The Bowling Ball". LOVED watching him. He was a more compact version of Larry Csonka which made him even harder to tackle. My dad would always you gotta watch this guy. He played also played for Shula in Miami after spending his 1st few years with the Colts.
I was REALLY impressed you remembered how hard of a time Cleveland gave that 72 Dolphins team in the playoffs. They were the closest team to beating Miami. They had em 14-13 late midway through the 4th quarter. Do you remember the 8-8 Cleveland team in 85 that blew a 21-3 lead to Miami in the 1st round of the playoffs?
Good Lord!!!!
Check out the conversation between TattleCal and Orion about Jim Brown. That got really funny.
That's right, even when I wrote "The Cannonball" I thought that doesn't sound right.
My dad often talked about how close the Browns came to upending the Dolphins perfect season, I even watched a youtube video of the highlights after posting about it.
I vividly remember watching the game at a friend of mine's house in Kent, we had played outside in the snow, then came in to watch the game. I would have been 10. Byner was an absolute beast, but a lack of a passing attack kind of hampered the Browns ability to add to their lead. The Browns would fix that problem the next year in Kosar's sophomore year. Shortly after, Don Rogers would die of a cocaine overdose. Many speculate how the Browns defensive fortunes would have fared going forward with Rogers still on the team, he was potentially that good of a safety.
TattleCal.... ?
That's right, even when I wrote "The Cannonball" I thought that doesn't sound right.
My dad often talked about how close the Browns came to upending the Dolphins perfect season, I even watched a youtube video of the highlights after posting about it.
I vividly remember watching the game at a friend of mine's house in Kent, we had played outside in the snow, then came in to watch the game. I would have been 10. Byner was an absolute beast, but a lack of a passing attack kind of hampered the Browns ability to add to their lead. The Browns would fix that problem the next year in Kosar's sophomore year. Shortly after, Don Rogers would die of a cocaine overdose. Many speculate how the Browns defensive fortunes would have fared going forward with Rogers still on the team, he was potentially that good of a safety.
TattleCal.... ?
Your dad got you hooked too? I think Nottingham was called a "Cannon Ball" by anyone that tried to tackle him. There was actually a 45 speed record in 1972 called "The Game Planned to Beat Miami" which used the format of the 12 Days of Christmas and if memory serves me right the singer was imitating Howard Cosell.
After that 85 season, the Browns hired Lindy Infante in 86 and all those defenses chomping at the bits to blitz the cement shoe'd Kosar would pay dearly. 2 blue collar unkowns at the time, RB Herman Fontenot caught 47 passes on 3rd downs exclusively while WR Brian Brennan caught 55 passes (also mostly on 3rd downs) to keep drives alive. Our RBs combined for something like 122 or 125 receptions in the hook zones and flats vacated by blitzing LBers. Infante also looked at a swing pass to the RBs as an equivalent to the quick pitch to RB except it went forward instead of slightly backward. It was still ball control like the running game. Lindy liked to spread the field horizontally, which would open seams vertically. Just a fun offense to watch as the Browns improved to 12-4 in 86.
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So who is better - Kelly or Nick Chubb?
...you sent me to the stats to verify my thinking that Chubb is the best RB we've had since Jim Brown. But he's still on the clock. Kelly did it for 10 years (and his last year really hurt his numbers).
Nick is averaging 5.2 y/c while Leroy only 4.2. (again, Nick's gotta do it for more years) And I think Chubb is more powerful and faster...but Kelly wasn't slow and he was shifty. Kelly was the better receiver...and he averaged 12 y/catch to Chubb's 8.3. Back then I wasn't much of a blocking watcher...but we know that Chubb is a pretty solid blocker. Leroy Kelly was a durable RB! But of course, back then they actually wore pads.
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So who is better - Kelly or Nick Chubb?
...you sent me to the stats to verify my thinking that Chubb is the best RB we've had since Jim Brown. But he's still on the clock. Kelly did it for 10 years (and his last year really hurt his numbers).
Nick is averaging 5.2 y/c while Leroy only 4.2. (again, Nick's gotta do it for more years) And I think Chubb is more powerful and faster...but Kelly wasn't slow and he was shifty. Kelly was the better receiver...and he averaged 12 y/catch to Chubb's 8.3. Back then I wasn't much of a blocking watcher...but we know that Chubb is a pretty solid blocker. Leroy Kelly was a durable RB! But of course, back then they actually wore pads.
...you sent me to the stats to verify my thinking that Chubb is the best RB we've had since Jim Brown. But he's still on the clock. Kelly did it for 10 years (and his last year really hurt his numbers).
Nick is averaging 5.2 y/c while Leroy only 4.2. (again, Nick's gotta do it for more years) And I think Chubb is more powerful and faster...but Kelly wasn't slow and he was shifty. Kelly was the better receiver...and he averaged 12 y/catch to Chubb's 8.3. Back then I wasn't much of a blocking watcher...but we know that Chubb is a pretty solid blocker. Leroy Kelly was a durable RB! But of course, back then they actually wore pads.
nice job.
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You're right Nottingham was also called "The Bowling Ball". LOVED watching him. He was a more compact version of Larry Csonka which made him even harder to tackle. My dad would always you gotta watch this guy. He played also played for Shula in Miami after spending his 1st few years with the Colts.
I was REALLY impressed you remembered how hard of a time Cleveland gave that 72 Dolphins team in the playoffs. They were the closest team to beating Miami. They had em 14-13 late midway through the 4th quarter. Do you remember the 8-8 Cleveland team in 85 that blew a 21-3 lead to Miami in the 1st round of the playoffs?
Good Lord!!!!
Check out the conversation between TattleCal and Orion about Jim Brown. That got really funny.
That's right, even when I wrote "The Cannonball" I thought that doesn't sound right.
My dad often talked about how close the Browns came to upending the Dolphins perfect season, I even watched a youtube video of the highlights after posting about it.
I vividly remember watching the game at a friend of mine's house in Kent, we had played outside in the snow, then came in to watch the game. I would have been 10. Byner was an absolute beast, but a lack of a passing attack kind of hampered the Browns ability to add to their lead. The Browns would fix that problem the next year in Kosar's sophomore year. Shortly after, Don Rogers would die of a cocaine overdose. Many speculate how the Browns defensive fortunes would have fared going forward with Rogers still on the team, he was potentially that good of a safety.
TattleCal.... ?
That's right, even when I wrote "The Cannonball" I thought that doesn't sound right.
My dad often talked about how close the Browns came to upending the Dolphins perfect season, I even watched a youtube video of the highlights after posting about it.
I vividly remember watching the game at a friend of mine's house in Kent, we had played outside in the snow, then came in to watch the game. I would have been 10. Byner was an absolute beast, but a lack of a passing attack kind of hampered the Browns ability to add to their lead. The Browns would fix that problem the next year in Kosar's sophomore year. Shortly after, Don Rogers would die of a cocaine overdose. Many speculate how the Browns defensive fortunes would have fared going forward with Rogers still on the team, he was potentially that good of a safety.
TattleCal.... ?
Do you realize on that 85 team - the Browns had the Offensive Rookie of the Year and the Defensive Rookie of the Year? Kevin Mack earned it rushing for over 1100 yards and scoring 7 TDs; and it probably could have been a lot more if Byner wasn't also rushing for over 1000 yards on the ground. That was Smash-mouth football! Mack was running 4.5 forties in that frame coming out of Clemson (we drafted him in the USFL Supplemental Draft from the LA Express); so he was faster than 10th round pick Earnest Byner. Didn't matter, that was a very fun tandem to watch. On Defense, another promising player came to us from LA. This was UCLA Safety Don Rogers that captured everyone's attention when he earned the Defensive Rookie of the Year. 6 years later, Cleveland drafted UCLA's Eric Turner with the 2nd overall pick in 1991. That guy was a lot of fun to watch too.
That USFL expedited how quickly the Browns improved the roster with great acquisitions like MLB Mike Johnson (LOVED that guy), CB Frank Minnifield, OG Dan Fike, KR/PR Gerald "Ice Cube" McNeil aside from FB Kevin Mack.. That's a lot of quality help on top of the NFL Draft. They also landed Kosar in the Supplemental Draft. These were a lot of winning ingredients that had the Browns frequenting playoffs throughout the back half of the 80s in the rebirth of our Kardiac Kids.
Just asking, is it possible this offseason approach can CPR the Kardiac Kids back to us again?
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That's right, even when I wrote "The Cannonball" I thought that doesn't sound right.
My dad often talked about how close the Browns came to upending the Dolphins perfect season, I even watched a youtube video of the highlights after posting about it.
I vividly remember watching the game at a friend of mine's house in Kent, we had played outside in the snow, then came in to watch the game. I would have been 10. Byner was an absolute beast, but a lack of a passing attack kind of hampered the Browns ability to add to their lead. The Browns would fix that problem the next year in Kosar's sophomore year. Shortly after, Don Rogers would die of a cocaine overdose. Many speculate how the Browns defensive fortunes would have fared going forward with Rogers still on the team, he was potentially that good of a safety.
TattleCal.... ?
Do you realize on that 85 team - the Browns had the Offensive Rookie of the Year and the Defensive Rookie of the Year? Kevin Mack earned it rushing for over 1100 yards and scoring 7 TDs; and it probably could have been a lot more if Byner wasn't also rushing for over 1000 yards on the ground. That was Smash-mouth football! Mack was running 4.5 forties in that frame coming out of Clemson (we drafted him in the USFL Supplemental Draft from the LA Express); so he was faster than 10th round pick Earnest Byner. Didn't matter, that was a very fun tandem to watch. On Defense, another promising player came to us from LA. This was UCLA Safety Don Rogers that captured everyone's attention when he earned the Defensive Rookie of the Year. 6 years later, Cleveland drafted UCLA's Eric Turner with the 2nd overall pick in 1991. That guy was a lot of fun to watch too.
That USFL expedited how quickly the Browns improved the roster with great acquisitions like MLB Mike Johnson (LOVED that guy), CB Frank Minnifield, OG Dan Fike, KR/PR Gerald "Ice Cube" McNeil aside from FB Kevin Mack.. That's a lot of quality help on top of the NFL Draft. They also landed Kosar in the Supplemental Draft. These were a lot of winning ingredients that had the Browns frequenting playoffs throughout the back half of the 80s in the rebirth of our Kardiac Kids.
Just asking, is it possible this offseason approach can CPR the Kardiac Kids back to us again?
Do you realize on that 85 team - the Browns had the Offensive Rookie of the Year and the Defensive Rookie of the Year? Kevin Mack earned it rushing for over 1100 yards and scoring 7 TDs; and it probably could have been a lot more if Byner wasn't also rushing for over 1000 yards on the ground. That was Smash-mouth football! Mack was running 4.5 forties in that frame coming out of Clemson (we drafted him in the USFL Supplemental Draft from the LA Express); so he was faster than 10th round pick Earnest Byner. Didn't matter, that was a very fun tandem to watch. On Defense, another promising player came to us from LA. This was UCLA Safety Don Rogers that captured everyone's attention when he earned the Defensive Rookie of the Year. 6 years later, Cleveland drafted UCLA's Eric Turner with the 2nd overall pick in 1991. That guy was a lot of fun to watch too.
That USFL expedited how quickly the improved that roster with great acquisitions like MLB Mike Johnson (LOVED that guy), CB Frank Minnifield, OG Dan Fike, KR/PR Gerald "Ice Cube" McNeil aside from FB Kevin Mack.. That's a lot of quality help on top of the NFL Draft. They also landed Kosar in the Supplemental Draft. These were a lot of winning ingredients that had the Browns frequenting playoffs throughout the back half of the 80s in the rebirth of our Kardiac Kids.
Just asking, is it possible this offseason approach can CPR the Kardiac Kids back to us again?
It's sad to think both Rogers and Turner died before they even began to peak... I just keep thinking what could've been.. If Chip Banks didn't fuck himself up on drugs...
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Do you realize on that 85 team - the Browns had the Offensive Rookie of the Year and the Defensive Rookie of the Year? Kevin Mack earned it rushing for over 1100 yards and scoring 7 TDs; and it probably could have been a lot more if Byner wasn't also rushing for over 1000 yards on the ground. That was Smash-mouth football! Mack was running 4.5 forties in that frame coming out of Clemson (we drafted him in the USFL Supplemental Draft from the LA Express); so he was faster than 10th round pick Earnest Byner. Didn't matter, that was a very fun tandem to watch. On Defense, another promising player came to us from LA. This was UCLA Safety Don Rogers that captured everyone's attention when he earned the Defensive Rookie of the Year. 6 years later, Cleveland drafted UCLA's Eric Turner with the 2nd overall pick in 1991. That guy was a lot of fun to watch too.
That USFL expedited how quickly the improved that roster with great acquisitions like MLB Mike Johnson (LOVED that guy), CB Frank Minnifield, OG Dan Fike, KR/PR Gerald "Ice Cube" McNeil aside from FB Kevin Mack.. That's a lot of quality help on top of the NFL Draft. They also landed Kosar in the Supplemental Draft. These were a lot of winning ingredients that had the Browns frequenting playoffs throughout the back half of the 80s in the rebirth of our Kardiac Kids.
Just asking, is it possible this offseason approach can CPR the Kardiac Kids back to us again?
It's sad to think both Rogers and Turner died before they even began to peak... I just keep thinking what could've been.. If Chip Banks didn't fuck himself up on drugs...
It's sad to think both Rogers and Turner died before they even began to peak... I just keep thinking what could've been.. If Chip Banks didn't fuck himself up on drugs...
Sad indeed! Just think what could have unfolded if Ernie Davis didn't get Leukemia. He was a BIG reason Syracuse won their only National Championship. As for Chip Banks, wouldn't it have been nice to have had him hunting Elway the way Derrick Thomas did? That was the 1 thing that 86 defense lacked was an edge rusher IMO.
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I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic. With no camp, draft, games etc. it is pretty easy to stray off a topic.
That said, we don't need to use that as an excuse to push grudge stuff to the forefront.
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I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic. With no camp, draft, games etc. it is pretty easy to stray off a topic.
That said, we don't need to use that as an excuse to push grudge stuff to the forefront.
I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic. With no camp, draft, games etc. it is pretty easy to stray off a topic.
That said, we don't need to use that as an excuse to push grudge stuff to the forefront.
I'm sure when the games start everyone will get along in a team effort to fully and completely support the Cleveland Browns.
(Where's DBone and his knowledge of how to turn that pink when you need him?)
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I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic. With no camp, draft, games etc. it is pretty easy to stray off a topic.
That said, we don't need to use that as an excuse to push grudge stuff to the forefront.
I'm sure when the games start everyone will get along in a team effort to fully and completely support the Cleveland Browns.
(Where's DBone and his knowledge of how to turn that pink when you need him?)
I'm sure when the games start everyone will get along in a team effort to fully and completely support the Cleveland Browns.
(Where's DBone and his knowledge of how to turn that pink when you need him?)
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I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic. With no camp, draft, games etc. it is pretty easy to stray off a topic.
That said, we don't need to use that as an excuse to push grudge stuff to the forefront.
I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic.
In the upper left of a post it tells ya when the post was made. Next to that it should list the thread title. Many times I'll be reading down a thread, post after post, then I'll start wondering, What's this thread supposed to be about again? So I've gotta scroll to the top and say, OH, Yeah!.
This thread's about negativity. We're Browns fans. We've been strapped to the negative battery terminal pretty much constantly since 1995.
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I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic.
In the upper left of a post it tells ya when the post was made. Next to that it should list the thread title. Many times I'll be reading down a thread, post after post, then I'll start wondering, What's this thread supposed to be about again? So I've gotta scroll to the top and say, OH, Yeah!.
This thread's about negativity. We're Browns fans. We've been strapped to the negative battery terminal pretty much constantly since 1995.
We've been strapped to the negative battery terminal pretty much constantly since 1995.
That's because lightning (Jim Brown) never strikes twice in the same place.
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That's because lightning (Jim Brown) never strikes twice in the same place.
?While Jim was alive, his spirit was with him. Now that the spirit has been freed from the body his spirt can take to the field to help out.
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That's because lightning (Jim Brown) never strikes twice in the same place.
?While Jim was alive, his spirit was with him. Now that the spirit has been freed from the body his spirt can take to the field to help out.
While Jim was alive, his spirit was with him. Now that the spirit has been freed from the body his spirt can take to the field to help out.
Interesting! Nick Chubb said he's dedicating this season to Jim Brown so color me very intrigued to see how this turns out.
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Interesting! Nick Chubb said he's dedicating this season to Jim Brown so color me very intrigued to see how this turns out.
Lets hope Kevvy uses his motivation in the 2nd half of games this season when he is needed..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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Lets hope Kevvy uses his motivation in the 2nd half of games this season when he is needed..
Tell you what Nicks, I'll even buy him a blow-torch so he can light all the right fannies!
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Tell you what Nicks, I'll even buy him a blow-torch so he can light all the right fannies!
I expect not much out of Kevvy... I just hope for less of his redundancy this season... But I'm not holdin my breath...
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