Juan Thornhill talks about negativity from the press and fan's in Cleveland
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You're right Nottingham was also called "The Bowling Ball". LOVED watching him. He was a more compact version of Larry Csonka which made him even harder to tackle. My dad would always you gotta watch this guy. He played also played for Shula in Miami after spending his 1st few years with the Colts.
I was REALLY impressed you remembered how hard of a time Cleveland gave that 72 Dolphins team in the playoffs. They were the closest team to beating Miami. They had em 14-13 late midway through the 4th quarter. Do you remember the 8-8 Cleveland team in 85 that blew a 21-3 lead to Miami in the 1st round of the playoffs?
Good Lord!!!!
Check out the conversation between TattleCal and Orion about Jim Brown. That got really funny.
That's right, even when I wrote "The Cannonball" I thought that doesn't sound right.
My dad often talked about how close the Browns came to upending the Dolphins perfect season, I even watched a youtube video of the highlights after posting about it.
I vividly remember watching the game at a friend of mine's house in Kent, we had played outside in the snow, then came in to watch the game. I would have been 10. Byner was an absolute beast, but a lack of a passing attack kind of hampered the Browns ability to add to their lead. The Browns would fix that problem the next year in Kosar's sophomore year. Shortly after, Don Rogers would die of a cocaine overdose. Many speculate how the Browns defensive fortunes would have fared going forward with Rogers still on the team, he was potentially that good of a safety.
TattleCal.... ?
That's right, even when I wrote "The Cannonball" I thought that doesn't sound right.
My dad often talked about how close the Browns came to upending the Dolphins perfect season, I even watched a youtube video of the highlights after posting about it.
I vividly remember watching the game at a friend of mine's house in Kent, we had played outside in the snow, then came in to watch the game. I would have been 10. Byner was an absolute beast, but a lack of a passing attack kind of hampered the Browns ability to add to their lead. The Browns would fix that problem the next year in Kosar's sophomore year. Shortly after, Don Rogers would die of a cocaine overdose. Many speculate how the Browns defensive fortunes would have fared going forward with Rogers still on the team, he was potentially that good of a safety.
TattleCal.... ?
Do you realize on that 85 team - the Browns had the Offensive Rookie of the Year and the Defensive Rookie of the Year? Kevin Mack earned it rushing for over 1100 yards and scoring 7 TDs; and it probably could have been a lot more if Byner wasn't also rushing for over 1000 yards on the ground. That was Smash-mouth football! Mack was running 4.5 forties in that frame coming out of Clemson (we drafted him in the USFL Supplemental Draft from the LA Express); so he was faster than 10th round pick Earnest Byner. Didn't matter, that was a very fun tandem to watch. On Defense, another promising player came to us from LA. This was UCLA Safety Don Rogers that captured everyone's attention when he earned the Defensive Rookie of the Year. 6 years later, Cleveland drafted UCLA's Eric Turner with the 2nd overall pick in 1991. That guy was a lot of fun to watch too.
That USFL expedited how quickly the Browns improved the roster with great acquisitions like MLB Mike Johnson (LOVED that guy), CB Frank Minnifield, OG Dan Fike, KR/PR Gerald "Ice Cube" McNeil aside from FB Kevin Mack.. That's a lot of quality help on top of the NFL Draft. They also landed Kosar in the Supplemental Draft. These were a lot of winning ingredients that had the Browns frequenting playoffs throughout the back half of the 80s in the rebirth of our Kardiac Kids.
Just asking, is it possible this offseason approach can CPR the Kardiac Kids back to us again?
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That's right, even when I wrote "The Cannonball" I thought that doesn't sound right.
My dad often talked about how close the Browns came to upending the Dolphins perfect season, I even watched a youtube video of the highlights after posting about it.
I vividly remember watching the game at a friend of mine's house in Kent, we had played outside in the snow, then came in to watch the game. I would have been 10. Byner was an absolute beast, but a lack of a passing attack kind of hampered the Browns ability to add to their lead. The Browns would fix that problem the next year in Kosar's sophomore year. Shortly after, Don Rogers would die of a cocaine overdose. Many speculate how the Browns defensive fortunes would have fared going forward with Rogers still on the team, he was potentially that good of a safety.
TattleCal.... ?
Do you realize on that 85 team - the Browns had the Offensive Rookie of the Year and the Defensive Rookie of the Year? Kevin Mack earned it rushing for over 1100 yards and scoring 7 TDs; and it probably could have been a lot more if Byner wasn't also rushing for over 1000 yards on the ground. That was Smash-mouth football! Mack was running 4.5 forties in that frame coming out of Clemson (we drafted him in the USFL Supplemental Draft from the LA Express); so he was faster than 10th round pick Earnest Byner. Didn't matter, that was a very fun tandem to watch. On Defense, another promising player came to us from LA. This was UCLA Safety Don Rogers that captured everyone's attention when he earned the Defensive Rookie of the Year. 6 years later, Cleveland drafted UCLA's Eric Turner with the 2nd overall pick in 1991. That guy was a lot of fun to watch too.
That USFL expedited how quickly the Browns improved the roster with great acquisitions like MLB Mike Johnson (LOVED that guy), CB Frank Minnifield, OG Dan Fike, KR/PR Gerald "Ice Cube" McNeil aside from FB Kevin Mack.. That's a lot of quality help on top of the NFL Draft. They also landed Kosar in the Supplemental Draft. These were a lot of winning ingredients that had the Browns frequenting playoffs throughout the back half of the 80s in the rebirth of our Kardiac Kids.
Just asking, is it possible this offseason approach can CPR the Kardiac Kids back to us again?
Do you realize on that 85 team - the Browns had the Offensive Rookie of the Year and the Defensive Rookie of the Year? Kevin Mack earned it rushing for over 1100 yards and scoring 7 TDs; and it probably could have been a lot more if Byner wasn't also rushing for over 1000 yards on the ground. That was Smash-mouth football! Mack was running 4.5 forties in that frame coming out of Clemson (we drafted him in the USFL Supplemental Draft from the LA Express); so he was faster than 10th round pick Earnest Byner. Didn't matter, that was a very fun tandem to watch. On Defense, another promising player came to us from LA. This was UCLA Safety Don Rogers that captured everyone's attention when he earned the Defensive Rookie of the Year. 6 years later, Cleveland drafted UCLA's Eric Turner with the 2nd overall pick in 1991. That guy was a lot of fun to watch too.
That USFL expedited how quickly the improved that roster with great acquisitions like MLB Mike Johnson (LOVED that guy), CB Frank Minnifield, OG Dan Fike, KR/PR Gerald "Ice Cube" McNeil aside from FB Kevin Mack.. That's a lot of quality help on top of the NFL Draft. They also landed Kosar in the Supplemental Draft. These were a lot of winning ingredients that had the Browns frequenting playoffs throughout the back half of the 80s in the rebirth of our Kardiac Kids.
Just asking, is it possible this offseason approach can CPR the Kardiac Kids back to us again?
It's sad to think both Rogers and Turner died before they even began to peak... I just keep thinking what could've been.. If Chip Banks didn't fuck himself up on drugs...
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Do you realize on that 85 team - the Browns had the Offensive Rookie of the Year and the Defensive Rookie of the Year? Kevin Mack earned it rushing for over 1100 yards and scoring 7 TDs; and it probably could have been a lot more if Byner wasn't also rushing for over 1000 yards on the ground. That was Smash-mouth football! Mack was running 4.5 forties in that frame coming out of Clemson (we drafted him in the USFL Supplemental Draft from the LA Express); so he was faster than 10th round pick Earnest Byner. Didn't matter, that was a very fun tandem to watch. On Defense, another promising player came to us from LA. This was UCLA Safety Don Rogers that captured everyone's attention when he earned the Defensive Rookie of the Year. 6 years later, Cleveland drafted UCLA's Eric Turner with the 2nd overall pick in 1991. That guy was a lot of fun to watch too.
That USFL expedited how quickly the improved that roster with great acquisitions like MLB Mike Johnson (LOVED that guy), CB Frank Minnifield, OG Dan Fike, KR/PR Gerald "Ice Cube" McNeil aside from FB Kevin Mack.. That's a lot of quality help on top of the NFL Draft. They also landed Kosar in the Supplemental Draft. These were a lot of winning ingredients that had the Browns frequenting playoffs throughout the back half of the 80s in the rebirth of our Kardiac Kids.
Just asking, is it possible this offseason approach can CPR the Kardiac Kids back to us again?
It's sad to think both Rogers and Turner died before they even began to peak... I just keep thinking what could've been.. If Chip Banks didn't fuck himself up on drugs...
It's sad to think both Rogers and Turner died before they even began to peak... I just keep thinking what could've been.. If Chip Banks didn't fuck himself up on drugs...
Sad indeed! Just think what could have unfolded if Ernie Davis didn't get Leukemia. He was a BIG reason Syracuse won their only National Championship. As for Chip Banks, wouldn't it have been nice to have had him hunting Elway the way Derrick Thomas did? That was the 1 thing that 86 defense lacked was an edge rusher IMO.
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I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic. With no camp, draft, games etc. it is pretty easy to stray off a topic.
That said, we don't need to use that as an excuse to push grudge stuff to the forefront.
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I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic. With no camp, draft, games etc. it is pretty easy to stray off a topic.
That said, we don't need to use that as an excuse to push grudge stuff to the forefront.
I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic. With no camp, draft, games etc. it is pretty easy to stray off a topic.
That said, we don't need to use that as an excuse to push grudge stuff to the forefront.
I'm sure when the games start everyone will get along in a team effort to fully and completely support the Cleveland Browns.
(Where's DBone and his knowledge of how to turn that pink when you need him?)
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I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic. With no camp, draft, games etc. it is pretty easy to stray off a topic.
That said, we don't need to use that as an excuse to push grudge stuff to the forefront.
I'm sure when the games start everyone will get along in a team effort to fully and completely support the Cleveland Browns.
(Where's DBone and his knowledge of how to turn that pink when you need him?)
I'm sure when the games start everyone will get along in a team effort to fully and completely support the Cleveland Browns.
(Where's DBone and his knowledge of how to turn that pink when you need him?)
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I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic. With no camp, draft, games etc. it is pretty easy to stray off a topic.
That said, we don't need to use that as an excuse to push grudge stuff to the forefront.
I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic.
In the upper left of a post it tells ya when the post was made. Next to that it should list the thread title. Many times I'll be reading down a thread, post after post, then I'll start wondering, What's this thread supposed to be about again? So I've gotta scroll to the top and say, OH, Yeah!.
This thread's about negativity. We're Browns fans. We've been strapped to the negative battery terminal pretty much constantly since 1995.
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I think the time of year has something to do with staying on topic.
In the upper left of a post it tells ya when the post was made. Next to that it should list the thread title. Many times I'll be reading down a thread, post after post, then I'll start wondering, What's this thread supposed to be about again? So I've gotta scroll to the top and say, OH, Yeah!.
This thread's about negativity. We're Browns fans. We've been strapped to the negative battery terminal pretty much constantly since 1995.
We've been strapped to the negative battery terminal pretty much constantly since 1995.
That's because lightning (Jim Brown) never strikes twice in the same place.
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That's because lightning (Jim Brown) never strikes twice in the same place.
?While Jim was alive, his spirit was with him. Now that the spirit has been freed from the body his spirt can take to the field to help out.
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That's because lightning (Jim Brown) never strikes twice in the same place.
?While Jim was alive, his spirit was with him. Now that the spirit has been freed from the body his spirt can take to the field to help out.
While Jim was alive, his spirit was with him. Now that the spirit has been freed from the body his spirt can take to the field to help out.
Interesting! Nick Chubb said he's dedicating this season to Jim Brown so color me very intrigued to see how this turns out.
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Interesting! Nick Chubb said he's dedicating this season to Jim Brown so color me very intrigued to see how this turns out.
Lets hope Kevvy uses his motivation in the 2nd half of games this season when he is needed..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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Lets hope Kevvy uses his motivation in the 2nd half of games this season when he is needed..
Tell you what Nicks, I'll even buy him a blow-torch so he can light all the right fannies!
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Tell you what Nicks, I'll even buy him a blow-torch so he can light all the right fannies!
I expect not much out of Kevvy... I just hope for less of his redundancy this season... But I'm not holdin my breath...
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I expect not much out of Kevvy... I just hope for less of his redundancy this season... But I'm not holdin my breath...
I thought the same thing in 2020 and the Browns finished 11-5. This time, he has better Special Teams and Defensive Coordinators. However, the AFC North seems a lot stronger than it was while the Browns have a very tough schedule. It's going to be interesting to see how that shows up in wins and losses.
1 thing that gets lost in the bigger picture is that players answer to their position coaches and coordinators 1st. They also tend to respond to the veteran leaders in their groups (ie: when a guy like Joel Bitonio or Jack Conklin has something to say - it has a way of resonating to the younger guys). Another example was when Joe Thomas was a rookie - he had the veteran Eric Steinbach right next to him as a calming and savvy influence.
I say all that to say I think our veteran leaders (including a retired one now Coordinating our STs) will have this team plenty motivated and I dare say very confident in what they're doing. And why? They will be well prepared even with something as easy as fielding 11 guys instead of 12 when someone is attempting to punt the ball to us on 4th and 4.
As for the play-calling - I'm more worried about the design of the offense and the passing game in particular. The more sound that is - the easier the play calling becomes. I still go back to the 1 freeze framed replay where 4 receivers all stopped their straight ahead routes the same distance downfield (like a straight line across equidistant apart); and freakin stood there (with DBs ecstatic how easy such a design made their lives at the moment). That said, our offense averaged about 24 points a game with a back-up QB if memory serves me right. I think we can all agree our defense was the bigger problem to the extent if they played any D at all vrs the Jets (final 2-3 minutes) or Atlanta or others - this team could have won 9 or 10 games. This offseason addressed a lot of the personnel that needed to be upgraded and position groups that needed more depth.
I'm more confident in the group of players and coaches we have this year than the ones we had last year. Let's see what happens before we auto-default to pessimism.
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