2023 Browns Training Camp

[Orion]

The money that QB's get is just plain bonkers.  But what are ya gonna do?  Let him walk and hire Baker Mayfield?  Teddy Twatwater?   Andy Dalton?  Not if you want to challenge for a championship.  It's madness.  

[Flugel]

@sdbacker80 said:

This was a suggestion I made last year (kicking Myles inside on some downs) it wasn’t met as pleasantly as I thought it would be met.  But We saw this more in prior years and I believe we had success deploying it for some of the reasons you stated.  I don’t think or know if Zadarius offers the same flexibility…there was talk that he faded down the stretch too and I think his game from what I’ve seen bodes well on the outside.  Tomlinson offers flexibility (not as a DE).  My hope is maybe McGuire flashes, everyone else including Okoronkwo should be situational and on a pitch count. 

to move back a level…I wasn’t thrilled about our LB situation last year - we are putting our eggs in Anthony Walker will play 15-17 games basket and I hope for our sake that plays out. We were thin their last year we are thin again. 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! The reason I think it's a better idea this year (especially if there's an injury to Tomlinson or Ika); is the FO brought in so much more competition and depth on the edges.  My thinking is the drop-off outside from kicking Garrett inside isn't nearly as risky at it would have been in 2022.  I'm hoping some of the veteran DTs they added are just as good or better than Winfrey would have been anyway.  Outside of an occasional good play from Winfrey, he still had a lot of bad habits like pad height out of stance he repeated far too much for comfort.  Like you I hope McGuire and Okoronkwo and others can give us the reliable situational reps. Meanwhile it will also be interesting to see if their experience and new coaching has them at an improved level.  

I have the same thought you do about Za'Darius moving inside not so much as an insult to him; but Garrett has elite power, explosion and quicks to make him lining up anywhere near that football something for offenses to worry about.  Meanwhile, Za'Darius has made Pro Bowls on the edge so that if we did kick Garrett inside that's a much better drop-off than anything we had last year.  I wasn't a big fan of Clowney.  He reminded me of the types of FAs we had in the past that thought "I ain't risking the rest of my career on trying to bring Cleveland's defense to another level."  When the veteran lined up offsides on 3rd and 4 one game and twice in another game - that's a lack of focus defining his inner chest. 

You have a legit concern about the LBer Corps being thin. Heading into 2020 I was really worried about the LBer Corps; but they never prevented us from going 11-5.   I think our new DC will be exactly what the doctor ordered for this group.  We're gonna find out real soon... 

[Dutch Oven]

@orion said:

The money that QB's get is just plain bonkers.  But what are ya gonna do?  Let him walk and hire Baker Mayfield?  Teddy Twatwater?   Andy Dalton?  Not if you want to challenge for a championship.  It's madness.  

It will be interesting to see how giant of a contract Watson's is in comparison this time next year.

I have a feeling his "groundbreaking" contract isn't going to look as enormous by then. 

Edit: When he signed the contract in March of 2022, he was the highest paid QB in the NFL. He is now 8th, and Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson still haven't been paid yet. 

Edit Part Deux: Lamar has signed a contract extension. Burrow and someone else I think are due or about to be due. I can't remember who, because the heat this week has melted my brain.

[ballpeen]

@sdbacker80 said:

We are shopping at ALDIs at this point - y

LOL...I like that.  Aldi's pretty much sucks.  I like my grocery store neat and clean.  At Aldi's you have shit just thrown all over the place.  It's like shopping in Eastern Europe.

[tiamat63]

Look, trash the Brownies all you damn well please but leave Aldi out of this.  If you go during the slow hours you can get decent stuff for cheap.   I won't stand for this madness. 

[Flugel]

@sdbacker80 said:

We are shopping at ALDIs at this point - you aren’t finding anything too fancy at this point.  Having said that we have a promising group of guys that can fill out a 5th/6th WR role and I think from the group we cut there is strong chance someone gets picked up to fill out the end of another teams roster.

Watkins looks pretty good. Uphill battle for him though I don’t see him contributing on special teams in anyway and that’s probably what they will look for in that last spot. 

Lately, every time I compliment something we're eating - my wife says I got it at Aldi's.  Finally, I asked did I ever insult that place or something?  She said "no, I just want you to know you can find some really good bargains if/when you're not close minded."   This can apply to the Browns too when we remember Josh Cribbs was an undrafted free agent once upon a time.

[gumby73]

@ballpeen said:

 I like my grocery store neat and clean.  At Aldi's you have shit just thrown all over the place.  It's like shopping in Eastern Europe.

 After eating a breakfast meal, I purchased from Aldi's on Tuesday!      ^This statement was absolutely Golden ^   ?  correct sir

but it's the easiest, on the way home from  'work all day in this heat' & get out savior from the big stores'...

Post Note to above paid QB's...

Lamar Jackson was extended in April.. https://www.nfl.com/news/lamar-jackson-ravens-agree-to-terms-on-new-contract

Joe Borrow has not been extended yet. Bengals owner Mike Brown can't find a way to slice a pie of  WR's Tee Higgins, Ja'Marr Chase & Joe Borrow   

Browns back to practice 10:30 am today.. 

[TexasAg1969]

Speaking of training camps, there are multiple articles/youtubes coming out of Miami about how impressive Devon Achane has been not only as a seedy runner, but as the best RB/pass catcher on the roster according to Tua and others in the know on the team. But I'll just leave only part of one. ?

[les]

@texasag1969 said:

Speaking of training camps, there are multiple articles/youtubes coming out of Miami about how impressive Devon Achane has been not only as a seedy runner, but as the best RB/pass catcher on the roster according to Tua and others in the know on the team. But I'll just leave only part of one. ?

What does this have to do with Browns training camp

[Orion]

The Aldi's near us is fairly neat and clean.....but Mrs. Wife shops Stop & Shop and I use up the points on gas. 

A WEEK FROM TONIGHT!!     Of course, I'll have band rehearsal.  

[gumby73]

5 days of ramp up practice, comes to a close. Pads come on Friday & Saturday's practice.

Injury update. 

WR Marquise Goodwin (blood clots) is a injury factor, that at best may lose 6 regular season games, if moved to PUP list. Or more likely, IR done for the year for treatment.(see NFL banned substance list)

Amari Cooper has saw 1 practice day. Unknown body part tweak Sunday. Not related to surgery.  Close, but has not returned to practice.

LB/ST ace, Matthew Adams. Walked off Tuesday with trainer to a calf injury. Spotted in walking boot Thursday. Stef reported, "Out a couple of weeks"

LB's Anthony Walker & Taki have stayed on the field for defensive installs. Both head off the field for 7 on 7's & 11 on 11 drills. Something to keep a ear on with padded contact coming up next.

OL Colby Gossett has not played a snap since put on NFI 

WR Anthony Schwartz returned today from the NFI list. Returned from hamstring to see a few reps. and a 2 hand warm up drop. ?

Lets hope to get out of these few padded practices clean & head back to Cleveland.     

[AP1]

@gumby73 said:

QB's & Rookies reported Wednesday. All 88 of 90 possible players, plus staff are to report Friday to Berea, Ohio on July 21st 2023.

Saturday the team will travel to begin camp at The Greenbrier Resort in W.Virginia. That afternoon from July 22 (walk-thru) thru July 30th.

August 1st thru August 24th the camp will move back to Berea,Ohio. Camp tickets are available. (in Bold print)

Berea,Ohio Schedule

The 2023 Browns training camp schedule is as follows:

* All times are ET.

* Open practices in bold

Tues. Aug. 1 — 2 p.m.

Wed. Aug. 2 — No practice

Thurs. Aug. 3 — Preseason game vs. New York Jets (Hall of Fame Game), 8 p.m., News 5

Fri. Aug 4 —— No practice

Sat. Aug. 5 — No practice

Sun. Aug. 6 — 2 p.m.

Mon. Aug. 7 — 2 p.m.

Tues. Aug. 8 — No practice

Wed. Aug. 9 — 2 p.m.

Thurs. Aug. 10 — No practice

Fri. Aug. 11 — Preseason game vs. Washington, 7:30 p.m., News 5

Sat. Aug. 12 — No practice

Sun. Aug. 13 — No practice

Mon. Aug. 14 — Joint practice in Philadelphia, 2 p.m.

Tues. Aug. 15 — Joint practice in Philadelphia, 2 p.m.

Wed. Aug. 16 — No practice

Thurs. Aug. 17 — Preseason game at Philadelphia, 7:30 p.m., News 5

Fri. Aug 18 — No practice

Sat. Aug. 19 — No practice

Sun. Aug. 20 — 2 p.m.

Mon. Aug. 21 — No practice

Tues. Aug. 22 — 1:25 p.m.

Wed. Aug. 23 — 1:25 p.m.

Thurs. Aug. 24 — 11:30 a.m

Fri. Aug. 25 — No practice

Sat. Aug. 26 — Preseason game at Kansas City, 1 p.m., News 5

Camp Roster

Cleveland Browns Depth Chart

3WR 1TE (42) 7-22 (44)

 

STARTER	2ND	3RD	4TH
Deshaun Watson	Joshua Dobbs	Dorian Thompson-Robinson	Kellen Mond
Nick Chubb	Jerome Ford	Demetric Felton Jr.	John Kelly Jr.   Nate McCrary    Hassan Hall
Amari Cooper	Cedric Tillman	Jaelon Darden	Daylen Baldwin        Austin Watkins
Elijah Moore	Marquise Goodwin *NFI	Anthony Schwartz *NFI/off 7-28	Mike Harley Jr.
Donovan Peoples-Jones	David Bell	Jakeem Grant Sr. Q	Ra'Shaun Henry       Michael Woods  *NFI
David Njoku	Jordan Akins	Harrison Bryant	Zaire Mitchell-Paden     Thomas Greaney
Jedrick Wills Jr.	Hunter Thedford	-	-
Joel Bitonio	Colby Gossett *NFI	Wes Martin
Ethan Pocic	Luke Wypler	Nick Harris	-
Wyatt Teller	Drew Forbes	Michael Dunn	-
Jack Conklin	James Hudson III	Dawand Jones	Tyrone Wheatley Jr.

 

Base 4-3 D (42)

 

STARTER	2ND	3RD	4TH
Myles Garrett	Alex Wright	Isaiah Thomas	Jeremiah Martin
Dalvin Tomlinson	Siaki Ika	Tommy Togiai	Michael Dwumfour
Jordan Elliott	Maurice Hurst	Trysten Hill	-
Za'Darius Smith	Ogbo Okoronkwo	Isaiah McGuire	Sam Kamara     Lonnie Phelps
Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah	Matthew Adams		-
Anthony Walker Jr. Q	Jacob Phillips	Jordan Kunaszyk	Charlie Thomas III
Sione Takitaki Q	Tony Fields II	Mohamoud Diabate	-
Denzel Ward	Martin Emerson Jr.	Cameron Mitchell	Caleb Biggers  Bopete Keyes
Grant Delpit	Rodney McLeod	Bubba Bolden	Tanner McCalister
Juan Thornhill	D'Anthony Bell	Ronnie Hickman Jr.	-
Greg Newsome II	A.J. Green III	Thomas Graham Jr.	Mike Ford    Chris Westry

 

Special Teams (4)

 

STARTER	2ND	3RD	4TH
Cade York	-	-	-
Corey Bojorquez	Joseph Charlton	-	-
Corey Bojorquez	Joseph Charlton	-	-
Donovan Peoples-Jones	Jakeem Grant Sr. Q	Jaelon Darden	Demetric Felton Jr.
Jerome Ford	Jakeem Grant Sr. Q	Jaelon Darden	-
Charley Hughlett	-	-	-

 

Browns Roster sits at 88 of 90 players after P. Winfrey was cut.. (edit 7-22- adding Michael Woods back in. And signing WR Austin Watkins. Roster is full at 90 to Camp Greenbrier) 

Browns Camp News should start breaking out starting Friday or Saturday !

Members welcome to post daily updates here ! 

                                                                                 Let's Go Browns !

I don't recall there being this many off-days in years past. Is this part of the latest CBA and just now being administered or am I a few years late?

[Orion]

@ap1 said:

I don't recall there being this many off-days in years past. Is this part of the latest CBA and just now being administered or am I a few years late?

Training camps ain't what they used to be.  There's all kinds of rules on what they can and can't do now-a-days.  CBA

[gumby73]

@ap1 said:

I don't recall there being this many off-days in years past. Is this part of the latest CBA and just now being administered or am I a few years late?

Good Question.

The NFL CBA started back in 1968 & the famous '2 a day practices' ended back in 2011, after the NFL lockout season.

The NFL 'Camp Cupcake' Training Camps version, gets their base from the 2020 Training Camp CBA.(Goodell). Tweaks to Camps CBA, could only happen at owners meetings approved by NFLPA. few happen or get tabled, imo.

Here's a link from a non-attorney spoke version about your post about Days off in general. (Veteran player off days are Coaches choice/not CBA's)

https://overthecap.com/collective-bargaining-agreement/article/35

Link to Training Camp field conduct. (aka 'gibberish pussification')

https://overthecap.com/collective-bargaining-agreement/article/23/section/7

In a Nutshell..

Pleased to see Amari Cooper get back on the field. 2nd round trade of WR Elijah Moore looks to be paying off too ! But these are Camp reps.

Not Pleased. If the Browns get dinged for a padded practice day that is tracked. For One hour of padded fundamental drills, that did not include any 7 on 7's nor 11 on 11's contact.

Today's practice should resemble some real ? /media reports

[AP1]

@gumby73 said:

The NFL 'Camp Cupcake' Training Camps version, gets their base from the 2020 Training Camp CBA.(Goodell). Tweaks to Camps CBA, could only happen at owners meetings approved by NFLPA. few happen or get tabled, imo.

Here's a link from a non-attorney spoke version about your post about Days off in general. (Veteran player off days are Coaches choice/not CBA's)

https://overthecap.com/collective-bargaining-agreement/article/35

Link to Training Camp field conduct. (aka 'gibberish pussification')

https://overthecap.com/collective-bargaining-agreement/article/23/section/7

In a Nutshell..

Pleased to see Amari Cooper get back on the field. 2nd round trade of WR Elijah Moore looks to be paying off too ! But these are Camp reps.

Not Pleased. If the Browns get dinged for a padded practice day that is tracked. For One hour of padded fundamental drills, that did not include any 7 on 7's nor 11 on 11's contact.

Today's practice should resemble some real ? /media reports

Thank you very much for sharing.

The athletic performance of players has never been higher and football players, collectively, from high school up have never been bigger, faster, stronger and produced more force than they currently produce.

I do sometimes wonder if concussions and contact injuries take place because players, for all of their performance and conditioning abilities have been de-conditioned to hits. Their hitting/contact is limited to a goal line series or two in training camp.

[Dutch Oven]

@ap1 said:

Thank you very much for sharing.

The athletic performance of players has never been higher and football players, collectively, from high school up have never been bigger, faster, stronger and produced more force than they currently produce.

I do sometimes wonder if concussions and contact injuries take place because players, for all of their performance and conditioning abilities have been de-conditioned to hits. Their hitting/contact is limited to a goal line series or two in training camp.

I also wonder if spreading the offenses out increases the chances of high-impact, high-speed contact.

When offenses were old school five OLinemen, two TE, two RB sets, most of the action was similar to a rugby scrum. Physical, yes... but not a lot of two guys running into each other going 20mph stuff, like you get when plays literally go sideline to sideline. 

[Flugel]

@dutch-oven said:

I also wonder if spreading the offenses out increases the chances of high-impact, high-speed contact.

When offenses were old school five OLinemen, two TE, two RB sets, most of the action was similar to a rugby scrum. Physical, yes... but not a lot of two guys running into each other going 20mph stuff, like you get when plays literally go sideline to sideline. 

Exactly! I posted something just like this about 4 or 5 years ago back when Goodell started pretending he was worried about the safety of players.  Rugby has far less protective equipment, if any, and no head gear; but the close proximity scrums keep the physics from the longer distance collisions.  Not only that, when we all played sand lot football as kids - we didn't wear helmets.  If you don't wear a helmet - how often is anyone going to initiate contact with their head?   Same applies in rugby - in a world where head injuries aren't nearly as prevalent.  My guess is the NFL had less head injuries with the uglier leather helmets back in the day.  

If Goodell was worried about player safety, they wouldn't be playing more games and reducing the the time between games (like Thursday Nights). They also wouldn't be travelling over the Atlantic Ocean from as far away as California to interest other countries in buying the NFL Ticket monopoly. I was really surprised to read that most of the revenue the owners bring in isn't from home attendance.  At the time I read up on it, the owners were getting about 90% of their revenue from the shared revenue gained via the TV contract.  I don't know where it's at 2-3 years later; but I sense the urgency to get other countries interested has to be bulking up the NFL Ticket customer volume.  

I often wonder if they ever REALLY needed to change a lot of the rules of the game for the purpose of more scoring to allegedly make it a more attractive product.  If they had social media and fantasy football back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s - the volume of interest would have grown just like the growing volume of people making enemies with each other in cyberspace over politics.  Was watching Jim Brown ever boring to those that had the opportunity to do so? Would watching Walter Payton rush for something like 275 yards in 1 game really be boring?  How?

[Flugel]

Here's something I found on clevelandbrowns.com:

Dalvin Tomlinson 'in heaven' with D-Line competition, enjoying bonding experiences at The Greenbrier

The new defensive tackle has enjoyed working with two other new defensive line players — and has capitalized on chances to bond with teammates on the road

Jul 28, 2023 at 02:23 PM

 

Doc Louallen

Contributor

 

The defense led by Browns' DC Jim Schwartz has been enjoying themselves and displaying intense competitiveness during practice sessions at The Greenbrier.

Newcomer DT Dalvin Tomlinson has been loving the energy from his new teammates.

"I think Coach Schwartz is the biggest part with that," he said. "Everybody's just talking, having fun, and we love to compete," Tomlinson said. "So we're always competing with each other and just going against offense to compete even more.

"It's just like, you're in heaven with competing."

Tomlinson was one of a few veterans the Browns added to their defense — particularly on the D-Line.

DE Ogbo Okoronkwo is another who has caught the eye of Tomlinson. One of the top edge rushers from the second half of the 2022 season, Okoronkwo will have a chance to continue his success in a Browns uniform, and Tomlinson certainly believes a bigger season is in play from what he's seen from him in practice.

"His strength is crazy," Tomlinson said. "You wouldn't expect Ogbo to be that strong. The way he sets edges, it's crazy. He's just so fluid when he pass rushes and stuff. Every time I see him rush, it doesn't seem real. Like somebody playing Madden or something with him out there."

[Flugel]

@flugel said:

Here's something I found on clevelandbrowns.com:

Dalvin Tomlinson 'in heaven' with D-Line competition, enjoying bonding experiences at The Greenbrier

The new defensive tackle has enjoyed working with two other new defensive line players — and has capitalized on chances to bond with teammates on the road

Jul 28, 2023 at 02:23 PM

 

Doc Louallen

Contributor

 

The defense led by Browns' DC Jim Schwartz has been enjoying themselves and displaying intense competitiveness during practice sessions at The Greenbrier.

Newcomer DT Dalvin Tomlinson has been loving the energy from his new teammates.

"I think Coach Schwartz is the biggest part with that," he said. "Everybody's just talking, having fun, and we love to compete," Tomlinson said. "So we're always competing with each other and just going against offense to compete even more.

"It's just like, you're in heaven with competing."

Tomlinson was one of a few veterans the Browns added to their defense — particularly on the D-Line.

DE Ogbo Okoronkwo is another who has caught the eye of Tomlinson. One of the top edge rushers from the second half of the 2022 season, Okoronkwo will have a chance to continue his success in a Browns uniform, and Tomlinson certainly believes a bigger season is in play from what he's seen from him in practice.

"His strength is crazy," Tomlinson said. "You wouldn't expect Ogbo to be that strong. The way he sets edges, it's crazy. He's just so fluid when he pass rushes and stuff. Every time I see him rush, it doesn't seem real. Like somebody playing Madden or something with him out there."

I'm starting to think if there's any injury problems to our DTs - the discussion @sdbacker80 and I had about our interest in occasionally kicking Garrett inside could be very realistic. Lining up that unparalleled power/explosion/quickness closer to the QB seems exciting now that we have the depth on the edges to the extent that won't rob Peter to pay Paul.  I know they're also looking at Za'Darius but I think he's better built for the Edge than taking on the 300 to 325lb OGs.  I could be wrong about that though.

[Orion]

@ap1 said:

The athletic performance of players has never been higher and football players, collectively, from high school up have never been bigger, faster, stronger and produced more force than they currently produce.

...and they currently wear teeny-tiny shoulder pads...and many players wear virtually nothing else for pads.