Cade York is out.
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He didn't come out of nowhere. I was thanking God that he was there for us at the top of round 2. Dorsey drafted that useless guard though...but fortunately the Giants already had their man and didn't trade away their pick so he was there for us at #3 of the second round.
The only people I trust that can help a kicker is an ex kicker. (a good one...like Phil Dawson perhaps) Unless you want to teach him how to tackle...
Yeah but didn't Chubb sit behind Saquan Barkley in college if I'm not mistaken?.. Who became the better,available back again?
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We need a kicker not a belly picker!
just kiddin’, l think Cade will be ok. He just needs to find the right cadence…ba dum, tss.
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He didn't come out of nowhere. I was thanking God that he was there for us at the top of round 2. Dorsey drafted that useless guard though...but fortunately the Giants already had their man and didn't trade away their pick so he was there for us at #3 of the second round.
The only people I trust that can help a kicker is an ex kicker. (a good one...like Phil Dawson perhaps) Unless you want to teach him how to tackle...
Yeah but didn't Chubb sit behind Saquan Barkley in college if I'm not mistaken?.. Who became the better,available back again?
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When did I ever say anything about Chubb?... He came out of nowhere and surprised everybody.. All I asked or suggested was bringing a little competition... I still think hes got talent.. I think everything going with him right now is just mental.. He's got the preseason to right the ship right? I mean hell we dumped Shane Gonzales and since then hes done okay for himself. at least were not suffering through the Cody Parkeys and Billy Cundiffs.. And I agree on LT... I maintain Wills is a back up at best... I think its okay to have general concern for his performance (York).. He damn near shanked away his first PAT.
I just explained exactly when. This wasn't the 1st or 2nd time I've busted your balls about it and you know that. Chubb didn't come out of nowhere in Cleveland. He came out of nowhere in the SEC when he was the Freshman/Newcomer of the year in that conference. He did that by rushing for 1550 yards as a true freshman. He gained 1333 of those yards at 7.1 yards per carry in his last 7 games. Many that saw him play back then haven't seen a different player today. What I really busted your balls about was impatience.
Regarding York, they'll probably bring in competition. That said, let's see how Bubba brings him along. I get the feeling NFL place kickers face similar challenges as pro golfers. When things are going well - everything goes right down the middle from the smooth mechanics. The minute 1 thing/mechanic slightly alters and continues a bad habit has formed. This has a negative impact on the player's performance and confidence. Coaching is needed for the intervention. Luckily, there's 3 more preseason games to find the problem and resolve it.
I just explained exactly when. This wasn't the 1st or 2nd time I've busted your balls about it and you know that. Chubb didn't come out of nowhere in Cleveland. He came out of nowhere in the SEC when he was the Freshman/Newcomer of the year in that conference. He did that by rushing for 1550 yards as a true freshman. He gained 1333 of those yards at 7.1 yards per carry in his last 7 games. Many that saw him play back then haven't seen a different player today. What I really busted your balls about was impatience.
Regarding York, they'll probably bring in competition. That said, let's see how Bubba brings him along. I get the feeling NFL place kickers face similar challenges as pro golfers. When things are going well - everything goes right down the middle from the smooth mechanics. The minute 1 thing/mechanic slightly alters and continues a bad habit has formed. This has a negative impact on the player's performance and confidence. Coaching is needed for the intervention. Luckily, there's 3 more preseason games to find the problem and resolve it.
The reality is a ST coach really isn't a kicking coach. York has his own coaches for that. The only real thing Ventrone can do is encourage the guy. Try to relax him.
That said, I am not all that worried about a missed 50 yard kick. If he starts missing extra points and 43 yard kicks, then we have a problem. If he starts pushing them next week we might see a vet FA kicker brought in.
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I just explained exactly when. This wasn't the 1st or 2nd time I've busted your balls about it and you know that. Chubb didn't come out of nowhere in Cleveland. He came out of nowhere in the SEC when he was the Freshman/Newcomer of the year in that conference. He did that by rushing for 1550 yards as a true freshman. He gained 1333 of those yards at 7.1 yards per carry in his last 7 games. Many that saw him play back then haven't seen a different player today. What I really busted your balls about was impatience.
Regarding York, they'll probably bring in competition. That said, let's see how Bubba brings him along. I get the feeling NFL place kickers face similar challenges as pro golfers. When things are going well - everything goes right down the middle from the smooth mechanics. The minute 1 thing/mechanic slightly alters and continues a bad habit has formed. This has a negative impact on the player's performance and confidence. Coaching is needed for the intervention. Luckily, there's 3 more preseason games to find the problem and resolve it.
The reality is a ST coach really isn't a kicking coach. York has his own coaches for that. The only real thing Ventrone can do is encourage the guy. Try to relax him.
That said, I am not all that worried about a missed 50 yard kick. If he starts missing extra points and 43 yard kicks, then we have a problem. If he starts pushing them next week we might see a vet FA kicker brought in.
The reality is a ST coach really isn't a kicking coach. York has his own coaches for that. The only real thing Ventrone can do is encourage the guy. Try to relax him.
That said, I am not all that worried about a missed 50 yard kick. If he starts missing extra points and 43 yard kicks, then we have a problem. If he starts pushing them next week we might see a vet FA kicker brought in.
That's a good point you make in bold. The OC & DC has position coaches that teach and reinforce all the details of the specific positions. Having said that, I think the STs Coordinator has to wear the position coach hat as well. When it comes to kicking and maybe even punting, it seems like the biggest challenge the STs Coordinator faces. Having said that, there's ALWAYS film available to look to the trends of accuracy or inconsistency in terms of mechanics/fundamentals. For example, "this is you in your groove and why you were important enough to draft." To the other extreme, "this is you fighting your norms - what looks different?" I liked the Phil Dawson idea from @orion if the struggles don't resolve.
A lot of young guys looking for an NFL niche quickly learn what worked in college doesn't always work in the NFL. Coaching is critical for this so maybe the coaching York got at the amateur level in a warm weather climate is no longer applicable to the winds and cold weather off Lake Erie from November thru January. "9-1-1, this is Phil Dawson. How can I help you?"
All of that said, I agree that we might be getting way ahead of ourselves on a long distance kick that was also his very 1st FG attempt in game action this preseason.
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Kicking, snapping, and punting are the 3 skill positions on special teams. All the others are players at various position. The ST coordinator teaches coverage schemes and what that player does with-in that scheme. What lane to cover, who might switch up and do some sort of cross over block to open a lane, things like that.
I am not saying Bubba doesn't know anything about kicking, but he is just a general coach at those positions. To go to your golf analogy, you and I might go to a golf pro and take lessons. Once you get to a certain level, you have pros who teach nothing but putting, or chipping, or whatever.
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He didn't come out of nowhere. I was thanking God that he was there for us at the top of round 2. Dorsey drafted that useless guard though...but fortunately the Giants already had their man and didn't trade away their pick so he was there for us at #3 of the second round.
The only people I trust that can help a kicker is an ex kicker. (a good one...like Phil Dawson perhaps) Unless you want to teach him how to tackle...
Yeah but didn't Chubb sit behind Saquan Barkley in college if I'm not mistaken?.. Who became the better,available back again?
Yeah but didn't Chubb sit behind Saquan Barkley in college if I'm not mistaken?.. Who became the better,available back again?
I should have never brought that Chubb thing up. I only meant it as a reminder to you of not to make too much out of a very 1st outing.
The RB that backed up Saquan Barkley that I think you were confusing Chubb with is Miles Sanders. Yes, Barkley is better than Mile Sanders when he's healthy. At this point in the NFL, the only thing Barkley does better than Chubb is catch the ball/receptions volume. On the other hand, that extra role/situational down has impacted Barkley's durability and game day availability way more than the Giants wanted it to. That's probably another reason they didn't give him the big new contract aside from not bucking the new NFL trend of not paying this position. The Browns not only got the better RB IMO - they were also a little better with controlling the wear and tear of their investment.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Kicking, snapping, and punting are the 3 skill positions on special teams. All the others are players at various position. The ST coordinator teaches coverage schemes and what that player does with-in that scheme. What lane to cover, who might switch up and do some sort of cross over block to open a lane, things like that.
I am not saying Bubba doesn't know anything about kicking, but he is just a general coach at those positions. To go to your golf analogy, you and I might go to a golf pro and take lessons. Once you get to a certain level, you have pros who teach nothing but putting, or chipping, or whatever.
Kicking, snapping, and punting are the 3 skill positions on special teams. All the others are players at various position. The ST coordinator teaches coverage schemes and what that player does with-in that scheme. What lane to cover, who might switch up and do some sort of cross over block to open a lane, things like that.
I am not saying Bubba doesn't know anything about kicking, but he is just a general coach at those positions. To go to your golf analogy, you and I might go to a golf pro and take lessons. Once you get to a certain level, you have pros who teach nothing but putting, or chipping, or whatever.
Well put! We're definitely on the same page. There's a lot more to the ST Coordinator job than some may think.
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He didn't come out of nowhere. I was thanking God that he was there for us at the top of round 2. Dorsey drafted that useless guard though...but fortunately the Giants already had their man and didn't trade away their pick so he was there for us at #3 of the second round.
The only people I trust that can help a kicker is an ex kicker. (a good one...like Phil Dawson perhaps) Unless you want to teach him how to tackle...
Yeah but didn't Chubb sit behind Saquan Barkley in college if I'm not mistaken?.. Who became the better,available back again?
Yeah but didn't Chubb sit behind Saquan Barkley in college if I'm not mistaken?.. Who became the better,available back again?
Chubb was behind Sony Michel after his terrible knee injury rehab. Made a great one two punch for Georgia.
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Chubb was behind Sony Michel after his terrible knee injury rehab. Made a great one two punch for Georgia.
Thats it... I couldn't remember the back... I think Barkley was at Auburn... Getting older sucks lol
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Yeah but didn't Chubb sit behind Saquan Barkley in college if I'm not mistaken?.. Who became the better,available back again?
I should have never brought that Chubb thing up. I only meant it as a reminder to you of not to make too much out of a very 1st outing.
The RB that backed up Saquan Barkley that I think you were confusing Chubb with is Miles Sanders. Yes, Barkley is better than Mile Sanders when he's healthy. At this point in the NFL, the only thing Barkley does better than Chubb is catch the ball/receptions volume. On the other hand, that extra role/situational down has impacted Barkley's durability and game day availability way more than the Giants wanted it to. That's probably another reason they didn't give him the big new contract aside from not bucking the new NFL trend of not paying this position. The Browns not only got the better RB IMO - they were also a little better with controlling the wear and tear of their investment.
I should have never brought that Chubb thing up. I only meant it as a reminder to you of not to make too much out of a very 1st outing.
The RB that backed up Saquan Barkley that I think you were confusing Chubb with is Miles Sanders. Yes, Barkley is better than Mile Sanders when he's healthy. At this point in the NFL, the only thing Barkley does better than Chubb is catch the ball/receptions volume. On the other hand, that extra role/situational down has impacted Barkley's durability and game day availability way more than the Giants wanted it to. That's probably another reason they didn't give him the big new contract aside from not bucking the new NFL trend of not paying this position. The Browns not only got the better RB IMO - they were also a little better with controlling the wear and tear of their investment.
Tex helped me out.. I forgot it was Sony Michele... Aging sucks lol
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
So perhaps we can move on...
Saquon Barkley played football for Penn State
Nick Chubb played football for Georgia
Charles Barkley played basketball for Auburn
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I should have never brought that Chubb thing up. I only meant it as a reminder to you of not to make too much out of a very 1st outing.
The RB that backed up Saquan Barkley that I think you were confusing Chubb with is Miles Sanders. Yes, Barkley is better than Mile Sanders when he's healthy. At this point in the NFL, the only thing Barkley does better than Chubb is catch the ball/receptions volume. On the other hand, that extra role/situational down has impacted Barkley's durability and game day availability way more than the Giants wanted it to. That's probably another reason they didn't give him the big new contract aside from not bucking the new NFL trend of not paying this position. The Browns not only got the better RB IMO - they were also a little better with controlling the wear and tear of their investment.
Tex helped me out.. I forgot it was Sony Michele... Aging sucks lol
Tex helped me out.. I forgot it was Sony Michele... Aging sucks lol
Chubb was behind Sony Michel after his terrible knee injury rehab. Made a great one two punch for Georgia.
Well, here's Chubb's college stats for anyone that thinks he was a backup to anyone when healthy - look at the yards per carry in particular prior to the injury 7.1 as a true freshman and 8.1 as a true sophomore. That's killer good! It looks to me like Aggies was trying to point out - that only after Chubb injured his knee that Sony temporarily became the 1st back in a shared work load. That's correct! In their 4 year careers at Georgia, Chubb had more carries, averaged more yards per carry, scored more TDs and gained over 1100 more yards than Sony Michel.
Nick Chubb Rushing & Receiving
- * indicates bowl stats included
Rushing Receiving Scrimmage Year School Conf Class Pos G Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD Career Georgia 758 4769 6.3 44 31 361 11.6 4 789 5130 6.5 48 *2014 Georgia SEC FR RB 13 219 1547 7.1 14 18 213 11.8 2 237 1760 7.4 16 *2015 Georgia SEC SO RB 6 92 747 8.1 7 4 32 8.0 1 96 779 8.1 8 *2016 Georgia SEC JR RB 13 224 1130 5.0 8 5 86 17.2 1 229 1216 5.3 9 *2017 Georgia SEC SR RB 15 223 1345 6.0 15 4 30 7.5 0 227 1375 6.1 15 Sony Michel Rushing & Receiving
- * indicates bowl stats included
Rushing Receiving Scrimmage Year School Conf Class Pos G Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD Career Georgia 590 3613 6.1 33 64 621 9.7 6 654 4234 6.5 39 *2014 Georgia SEC FR RB 8 64 410 6.4 5 7 106 15.1 1 71 516 7.3 6 *2015 Georgia SEC SO RB 13 218 1136 5.2 8 26 270 10.4 3 244 1406 5.8 11 *2016 Georgia SEC JR RB 12 152 840 5.5 4 22 149 6.8 1 174 989 5.7 5 *2017 Georgia SEC SR RB 14 156 1227 7.9 16 9 96 10.7 1 165 1323 8.0 17 -
So perhaps we can move on...
Saquon Barkley played football for Penn State
Nick Chubb played football for Georgia
Charles Barkley played basketball for Auburn
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So perhaps we can move on...
Saquon Barkley played football for Penn State
Nick Chubb played football for Georgia
Charles Barkley played basketball for Auburn
?
Thank you! Hopefully we can also come to a group consensus that Chubb wasn't a backup RB! Having said that, we're learning as we go here that predictability can be very boring up against what can unfold. Stay tuned???
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So perhaps we can move on...
Saquon Barkley played football for Penn State
Nick Chubb played football for Georgia
Charles Barkley played basketball for Auburn
?
Thank you! Hopefully we can also come to a group consensus that Chubb wasn't a backup RB! Having said that, we're learning as we go here that predictability can be very boring up against what can unfold. Stay tuned???
Thank you! Hopefully we can also come to a group consensus that Chubb wasn't a backup RB! Having said that, we're learning as we go here that predictability can be very boring up against what can unfold. Stay tuned???
And that Nick Chubb wasn't Saquon Barkley's backup at Auburn.... ?
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A kicker can be brought in at any point. I don't think a missed 50 yard kick in the 1st preseason game is the time.
A kicker can be brought in at any point. I don't think a missed 50 yard kick in the 1st preseason game is the time.
He's missed some big kicks for us in his career and yes it was a meaningless game but you can see the flags on top of the uprights were completely still. Zero wind and still misses a zero pressure kick in a meaningless game.
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So perhaps we can move on...
Saquon Barkley played football for Penn State
Nick Chubb played football for Georgia
Charles Barkley played basketball for Auburn
?
So perhaps we can move on...
Saquon Barkley played football for Penn State
Nick Chubb played football for Georgia
Charles Barkley played basketball for Auburn
?
I thought Barkley played for the Muppets. Woof Woof!?
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And that Nick Chubb wasn't Saquon Barkley's backup at Auburn.... ?
Was that before Herschel Walker won a Heisman Trophy at Rutgers?
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Phil Dawson Rookie year he was 8 or 12 on Field goals with a long of 49 yards, and 23 of 24 on extra points. Phils PATs were of much shorter length,
Cade York rookie year he was 24 of 32 on field goals with a long of 58 yards and 35 of 37 on extra points. He was also better on kickoffs. A few of his misses were also blocked kicks which were not his fault..I know many of you remember people complaining about Phil having a weak leg. LOL...some of you were probably the ones complaining about his weak leg.Cade attempted 7 field goals over 49 yards....he made 4.
I think many of you need to reassess your opinions. Just like the opinions on QB's are outdated, your opinions on kickers are outdated. QB's now run and play in spread O's and kickers now attempt much longer kicks. This isn't 1989. The game has changed. You need to get with the times.
JMO...which is correct I might add..
Oh...Lou Grozas longest fieldgoal was 53 yards. Just saying.
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