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  • @nickers said:

    Yeah but didn't Chubb sit behind Saquan Barkley in college if I'm not mistaken?.. Who became the better,available back again?

    Chubb was behind Sony Michel after his terrible knee injury rehab. Made a great one two punch for Georgia.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Chubb was behind Sony Michel after his terrible knee injury rehab. Made a great one two punch for Georgia.

    Thats it... I couldn't remember the back... I think Barkley was at Auburn... Getting older sucks lol 🙂

  • @nickers said:

    Yeah but didn't Chubb sit behind Saquan Barkley in college if I'm not mistaken?.. Who became the better,available back again?

    I should have never brought that Chubb thing up.  I only meant it as a reminder to you of not to make too much out of a very 1st outing.

    The RB that backed up Saquan Barkley that I think you were confusing Chubb with is Miles Sanders.  Yes, Barkley is better than Mile Sanders when he's healthy.  At this point in the NFL, the only thing Barkley does better than Chubb is catch the ball/receptions volume.  On the other hand, that extra role/situational down has impacted Barkley's durability and game day availability way more than the Giants wanted it to. That's probably another reason they didn't give him the big new contract aside from not bucking the new NFL trend of not paying this position.  The Browns not only got the better RB IMO - they were also a little better with controlling the wear and tear of their investment.  

    @flugel said:

    I should have never brought that Chubb thing up.  I only meant it as a reminder to you of not to make too much out of a very 1st outing.

    The RB that backed up Saquan Barkley that I think you were confusing Chubb with is Miles Sanders.  Yes, Barkley is better than Mile Sanders when he's healthy.  At this point in the NFL, the only thing Barkley does better than Chubb is catch the ball/receptions volume.  On the other hand, that extra role/situational down has impacted Barkley's durability and game day availability way more than the Giants wanted it to. That's probably another reason they didn't give him the big new contract aside from not bucking the new NFL trend of not paying this position.  The Browns not only got the better RB IMO - they were also a little better with controlling the wear and tear of their investment.  

    Tex helped me out.. I forgot it was Sony Michele... Aging sucks lol

  • So perhaps we can move on...

    Saquon Barkley played football for Penn State

    Nick Chubb played football for Georgia

    Charles Barkley played basketball for Auburn 

    ?

  • @flugel said:

    I should have never brought that Chubb thing up.  I only meant it as a reminder to you of not to make too much out of a very 1st outing.

    The RB that backed up Saquan Barkley that I think you were confusing Chubb with is Miles Sanders.  Yes, Barkley is better than Mile Sanders when he's healthy.  At this point in the NFL, the only thing Barkley does better than Chubb is catch the ball/receptions volume.  On the other hand, that extra role/situational down has impacted Barkley's durability and game day availability way more than the Giants wanted it to. That's probably another reason they didn't give him the big new contract aside from not bucking the new NFL trend of not paying this position.  The Browns not only got the better RB IMO - they were also a little better with controlling the wear and tear of their investment.  

    Tex helped me out.. I forgot it was Sony Michele... Aging sucks lol

    @nickers said:

    Tex helped me out.. I forgot it was Sony Michele... Aging sucks lol

    @texasag1969 said:

    Chubb was behind Sony Michel after his terrible knee injury rehab. Made a great one two punch for Georgia.

    Well, here's Chubb's college stats for anyone that thinks he was a backup to anyone when healthy - look at the yards per carry in particular prior to the injury 7.1 as a true freshman and 8.1 as a true sophomore.   That's killer good!  It looks to me like Aggies was trying to point out - that only after Chubb injured his knee that Sony temporarily became the 1st back in a shared work load.  That's correct!  In their 4 year careers at Georgia, Chubb had more carries, averaged more yards per carry, scored more TDs and gained over 1100 more yards than Sony Michel.   

    Nick Chubb Rushing & Receiving 

    • * indicates bowl stats included
        Rushing Receiving Scrimmage
    Year School Conf Class Pos G Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD
    Career Georgia         758 4769 6.3 44 31 361 11.6 4 789 5130 6.5 48
    *2014 Georgia SEC FR RB 13 219 1547 7.1 14 18 213 11.8 2 237 1760 7.4 16
    *2015 Georgia SEC SO RB 6 92 747 8.1 7 4 32 8.0 1 96 779 8.1 8
    *2016 Georgia SEC JR RB 13 224 1130 5.0 8 5 86 17.2 1 229 1216 5.3 9
    *2017 Georgia SEC SR RB 15 223 1345 6.0 15 4 30 7.5 0 227 1375 6.1 15

    Sony Michel Rushing & Receiving 

    • * indicates bowl stats included
        Rushing Receiving Scrimmage
    Year School Conf Class Pos G Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD
    Career Georgia         590 3613 6.1 33 64 621 9.7 6 654 4234 6.5 39
    *2014 Georgia SEC FR RB 8 64 410 6.4 5 7 106 15.1 1 71 516 7.3 6
    *2015 Georgia SEC SO RB 13 218 1136 5.2 8 26 270 10.4 3 244 1406 5.8 11
    *2016 Georgia SEC JR RB 12 152 840 5.5 4 22 149 6.8 1 174 989 5.7 5
    *2017 Georgia SEC SR RB 14 156 1227 7.9 16 9 96 10.7 1 165 1323 8.0 17
  • So perhaps we can move on...

    Saquon Barkley played football for Penn State

    Nick Chubb played football for Georgia

    Charles Barkley played basketball for Auburn 

    ?

    @dutch-oven said:

    So perhaps we can move on...

    Saquon Barkley played football for Penn State

    Nick Chubb played football for Georgia

    Charles Barkley played basketball for Auburn 

    ?

    Thank you!   Hopefully we can also come to a group consensus that Chubb wasn't a backup RB!   Having said that, we're learning as we go here that predictability can be very boring up against what can unfold.  Stay tuned???

  • @dutch-oven said:

    So perhaps we can move on...

    Saquon Barkley played football for Penn State

    Nick Chubb played football for Georgia

    Charles Barkley played basketball for Auburn 

    ?

    Thank you!   Hopefully we can also come to a group consensus that Chubb wasn't a backup RB!   Having said that, we're learning as we go here that predictability can be very boring up against what can unfold.  Stay tuned???

    @flugel said:

    Thank you!   Hopefully we can also come to a group consensus that Chubb wasn't a backup RB!   Having said that, we're learning as we go here that predictability can be very boring up against what can unfold.  Stay tuned???

    And that Nick Chubb wasn't Saquon Barkley's backup at Auburn.... ?

  • A kicker can be brought in at any point.  I don't think a missed 50 yard kick in the 1st preseason game is the time.

    @ballpeen said:

    A kicker can be brought in at any point.  I don't think a missed 50 yard kick in the 1st preseason game is the time.

    He's missed some big kicks for us in his career and yes it was a meaningless game but you can see the flags on top of the uprights were completely still. Zero wind and still misses a zero pressure kick in a meaningless game.

  • So perhaps we can move on...

    Saquon Barkley played football for Penn State

    Nick Chubb played football for Georgia

    Charles Barkley played basketball for Auburn 

    ?

    @dutch-oven said:

    So perhaps we can move on...

    Saquon Barkley played football for Penn State

    Nick Chubb played football for Georgia

    Charles Barkley played basketball for Auburn 

    ?

    I thought Barkley played for the Muppets. Woof Woof!?

  • Didn't Charles Barkley Play golf while dancing?  

  • @flugel said:

    Thank you!   Hopefully we can also come to a group consensus that Chubb wasn't a backup RB!   Having said that, we're learning as we go here that predictability can be very boring up against what can unfold.  Stay tuned???

    And that Nick Chubb wasn't Saquon Barkley's backup at Auburn.... ?

    @dutch-oven said:

    And that Nick Chubb wasn't Saquon Barkley's backup at Auburn.... ?

    Was that before Herschel Walker won a Heisman Trophy at Rutgers?

  • Phil Dawson Rookie year he was 8 or 12 on Field goals with a long of 49 yards, and 23 of 24 on extra points.  Phils PATs were of much shorter length,
    Cade York rookie year he was 24 of 32 on field goals with a long of 58 yards and 35 of 37 on extra points. He was also better on kickoffs. A few of his misses were also blocked kicks which were not his fault..I know many of you remember people complaining about Phil having a weak leg.  LOL...some of you were probably the ones complaining about his weak leg.

    Cade attempted 7 field goals over 49 yards....he made 4.

    I think many of you need to reassess your opinions.  Just like the opinions on QB's are outdated, your opinions on kickers are outdated.  QB's now run and play in spread O's and kickers now attempt much longer kicks.  This isn't 1989.  The game has changed.  You need to get with the times.

    JMO...which is correct I might add..

    Oh...Lou Grozas longest fieldgoal was 53 yards.  Just saying.

  • Didn't Charles Barkley Play golf while dancing?  

    @orion said:

    Didn't Charles Barkley Play golf while dancing?  

    Looks to me,

    Cade York may have Barkley's swing hitch problem in his approach to ball

    York's, 3 step stride in his approach on a FG is a inconsistent path, along w/body parts trailing different at times..but,

    in golf terms.. 'slice' = foot impact not square on ball?  

  • @orion said:

    Didn't Charles Barkley Play golf while dancing?  

    Looks to me,

    Cade York may have Barkley's swing hitch problem in his approach to ball

    York's, 3 step stride in his approach on a FG is a inconsistent path, along w/body parts trailing different at times..but,

    in golf terms.. 'slice' = foot impact not square on ball?  

    @gumby73 said:

    Looks to me,

    Cade York may have Barkley's swing hitch problem in his approach to ball

    York's, 3 step stride in his approach on a FG is a inconsistent path, along w/body parts trailing different at times..but,

    in golf terms.. 'slice' = foot impact not square on ball?  

    In golf, slightly side hill lies impact the shot.  Holds can impact a kicker.  Just a quarter inch off, or slightly more pressure on the hold can change the spin on the ball.  When I see a kicker, who generally get a draw spin on the ball, slice the ball, it makes me think something was off on the hold.

    Golfers don't have to deal with the lie angle changing on their downswing.  Kickers don't start their motion once the ball is placed.  It starts as soon as the holder touches the ball.  By the time the holder places the ball, the kickers leg is starting the downswing.  

    Sorry, you just can't adjust to that...we are talking fractions of seconds.  Snappers and holders have a lot to do with the success of a kick.  If a snappers RPM's are off, the holder has to try to spin the laces away from the kick point.  If the holders hold is leaning a bit off, the kickers isn't going to be able to kick in at his flush point.  Leaning towards the kicker, you get more hook spin.  Leaning away a bit, you get straight or slice spin.  Straight sounds good except when the kicker normally draws it back 7 yards.

    Few golfers actually hit a straight ball.  Actually, none.  A straight ball is a slight mistake in their swing.  A normal shot for them either fades or draws to some degree.  That club either comes  in slightly inside or outside the ball on a stock shot.  Jack hit a stock fade.  Arnie hit a stock draw.

  • @gumby73 said:

    Looks to me,

    Cade York may have Barkley's swing hitch problem in his approach to ball

    York's, 3 step stride in his approach on a FG is a inconsistent path, along w/body parts trailing different at times..but,

    in golf terms.. 'slice' = foot impact not square on ball?  

    In golf, slightly side hill lies impact the shot.  Holds can impact a kicker.  Just a quarter inch off, or slightly more pressure on the hold can change the spin on the ball.  When I see a kicker, who generally get a draw spin on the ball, slice the ball, it makes me think something was off on the hold.

    Golfers don't have to deal with the lie angle changing on their downswing.  Kickers don't start their motion once the ball is placed.  It starts as soon as the holder touches the ball.  By the time the holder places the ball, the kickers leg is starting the downswing.  

    Sorry, you just can't adjust to that...we are talking fractions of seconds.  Snappers and holders have a lot to do with the success of a kick.  If a snappers RPM's are off, the holder has to try to spin the laces away from the kick point.  If the holders hold is leaning a bit off, the kickers isn't going to be able to kick in at his flush point.  Leaning towards the kicker, you get more hook spin.  Leaning away a bit, you get straight or slice spin.  Straight sounds good except when the kicker normally draws it back 7 yards.

    Few golfers actually hit a straight ball.  Actually, none.  A straight ball is a slight mistake in their swing.  A normal shot for them either fades or draws to some degree.  That club either comes  in slightly inside or outside the ball on a stock shot.  Jack hit a stock fade.  Arnie hit a stock draw.

    @ballpeen said:

    Few golfers actually hit a straight ball

    Chi-Chi Rodriquez said, I always play either a draw or a fade.  I never play a straight shot because I won't know which way the ball is going to go.  

  • @orion said:

    He didn't come out of nowhere.  I was thanking God that he was there for us at the top of round 2.  Dorsey drafted that useless guard though...but fortunately the Giants already had their man and didn't trade away their pick so he was there for us at #3 of the second round.  

    The only people I trust that can help a kicker is an ex kicker.  (a good one...like Phil Dawson perhaps)  Unless you want to teach him how to tackle...

    Yeah but didn't Chubb sit behind Saquan Barkley in college if I'm not mistaken?.. Who became the better,available back again?

    @nickers said:

    Yeah but didn't Chubb sit behind Saquan Barkley in college if I'm not mistaken?.. Who became the better,available back again?

    Chubb played at Georgia with Sony Michel. Maybe that is what you are thinking of. I didn't know much about Chubb coming into the NFL, but I have a friend who played RB in High School and College and is a serious FB junkie and he told me when we picked Chubb that we just got the best RB in the draft. Thus far he is right. Great pick. 

    But back to York. How long do we give him? I mean really? A project at kicker is not really a good thing.

  • @nickers said:

    Yeah but didn't Chubb sit behind Saquan Barkley in college if I'm not mistaken?.. Who became the better,available back again?

    Chubb played at Georgia with Sony Michel. Maybe that is what you are thinking of. I didn't know much about Chubb coming into the NFL, but I have a friend who played RB in High School and College and is a serious FB junkie and he told me when we picked Chubb that we just got the best RB in the draft. Thus far he is right. Great pick. 

    But back to York. How long do we give him? I mean really? A project at kicker is not really a good thing.

    @browns57 said:

    But back to York. How long do we give him? I mean really? A project at kicker is not really a good thing.

    He was drafted.  Drafted because he was one of the best in college.  Unless he starts to show that he just can't get it through the uprights I should think he deserves more than the one season.  This is a key season for the future employment of more than a few in the Browns organization...whether they wear a helmet, a tie, or a headset.

  • @browns57 said:

    But back to York. How long do we give him? I mean really? A project at kicker is not really a good thing.

    He was drafted.  Drafted because he was one of the best in college.  Unless he starts to show that he just can't get it through the uprights I should think he deserves more than the one season.  This is a key season for the future employment of more than a few in the Browns organization...whether they wear a helmet, a tie, or a headset.

    @orion said:

    He was drafted.  Drafted because he was one of the best in college.  Unless he starts to show that he just can't get it through the uprights I should think he deserves more than the one season.  This is a key season for the future employment of more than a few in the Browns organization...whether they wear a helmet, a tie, or a headset.

    Salient points...

  • Perhaps Schwartz can kick

  • Perhaps Schwartz can kick

    @unsympathetic said:

    Perhaps Schwartz can kick

    Wouldn’t hurt….he can’t do anything else.

  • @browns57 said:

    But back to York. How long do we give him? I mean really? A project at kicker is not really a good thing.

    He was drafted.  Drafted because he was one of the best in college.  Unless he starts to show that he just can't get it through the uprights I should think he deserves more than the one season.  This is a key season for the future employment of more than a few in the Browns organization...whether they wear a helmet, a tie, or a headset.

    @orion said:

    He was drafted.  Drafted because he was one of the best in college.  Unless he starts to show that he just can't get it through the uprights I should think he deserves more than the one season.  This is a key season for the future employment of more than a few in the Browns organization...whether they wear a helmet, a tie, or a headset.

    I understand your points however, he was the second-worst full-time kicker in the league last year. So he hasn't been getting it through the uprights 25% of the time.