? Preseason Game 3: Browns at Eagles ? Aug 17
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Schwartz caught something with his hands? In front of Ringo? Ah, preseason.
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And once again, ZERO wind. Dead calm. They need to make a move for a kicker!!
Need -or- needed to bring in or even draft a 4th +/- round kicker that can make almost ALL 40 yard and most 50 yard kicks.
Too much to ask ?
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Top 27 kickers, York #22. FG% only 75% ?? Why not 90% +/- ?? * 50 yd 7 att 4 made in 17 games ! NO CONFIDENCE IN YORK ! Stats do not lie !
Games 0-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ Scoring Kickoffs Rk Player Tm Age Pos G GS FGA FGM FGA FGM FGA FGM FGA FGM FGA FGM FGA FGM
▼Lng FG% XPA XPM XP% KO KOYds TB TB% KOAvg 1 Justin Tucker* BAL 33 K 17 0 13 13 11 11 5 4 14 9 43 37 58 86.0% 32 31 96.9% 86 5449 60 69.8% 63.4 2 Jason Myers* SEA 31 K 17 0 9 9 16 15 6 4 6 6 37 34 56 91.9% 42 41 97.6% 93 5839 54 58.1% 62.8 3 Daniel Carlson+ LVR 27 K 17 0 9 9 11 11 4 3 13 11 37 34 57 91.9% 36 35 97.2% 90 5548 57 63.3% 61.6 4 Eddy Pineiro CAR 27 K 17 0 2 2 17 16 14 13 2 2 35 33 54 94.3% 32 30 93.8% 83 5146 46 55.4% 62.0 5 Nick Folk NWE 38 K 17 0 1 1 9 9 8 8 14 10 5 4 37 32 54 86.5% 35 32 91.4% 33 1953 3 9.1% 59.2 6 Younghoe Koo ATL 28 K 17 0 9 9 7 7 10 9 11 7 37 32 54 86.5% 35 33 94.3% 7 Ryan Succop TAM 36 K 17 0 11 10 8 7 12 12 7 2 38 31 54 81.6% 25 24 96.0% 8 Greg Zuerlein NYJ 35 K 17 0 5 5 10 10 11 9 11 6 37 30 60 81.1% 29 28 96.6% 56 3590 47 83.9% 64.1 9 Chase McLaughlin IND 26 K 16 0 7 7 6 5 11 9 12 9 36 30 54 83.3% 21 21 100.0% 72 4682 38 52.8% 65.0 10 Riley Patterson JAX 23 K 17 0 8 8 11 10 13 10 3 2 35 30 53 85.7% 37 36 97.3% 88 5492 44 50.0% 62.4 11 Brett Maher DAL 33 K 17 0 9 9 5 5 7 6 11 9 32 29 60 90.6% 53 50 94.3% 100 6506 78 78.0% 65.1 12 Graham Gano NYG 35 K 17 0 2 2 10 9 11 10 9 8 32 29 57 90.6% 34 32 94.1% 84 5117 50 59.5% 60.9 13 Ka'imi Fairbairn HOU 28 K 17 0 7 7 8 7 10 9 6 6 31 29 56 93.5% 24 24 100.0% 75 4564 33 44.0% 60.9 14 Brandon McManus DEN 31 K 17 0 7 6 6 4 10 10 13 8 36 28 55 77.8% 27 25 92.6% 73 4580 51 69.9% 62.7 15 Matt Gay LAR 28 K 17 0 9 9 8 8 4 4 9 7 30 28 58 93.3% 32 31 96.9% 77 4843 61 79.2% 62.9 16 Robbie Gould SFO 40 K 17 0 14 13 5 5 11 7 2 2 32 27 51 84.4% 51 50 98.0% 95 5983 47 49.5% 63.0 17 Tyler Bass BUF 25 K 16 0 4 4 13 11 11 10 3 2 31 27 56 87.1% 50 48 96.0% 92 5759 43 46.7% 62.6 18 Greg Joseph MIN 28 K 17 0 10 10 5 5 8 7 10 4 33 26 61 78.8% 46 40 87.0% 89 5639 54 60.7% 63.4 19 Jason Sanders MIA 27 K 17 0 6 5 7 7 13 12 6 2 32 26 55 81.3% 44 41 93.2% 88 5486 61 69.3% 62.3 20 Joey Slye WAS 26 K 17 0 1 1 8 8 5 4 10 8 6 4 30 25 58 83.3% 28 24 85.7% 77 4802 60 77.9% 62.4 21 Mason Crosby GNB 38 K 17 0 10 10 8 8 7 6 4 1 29 25 56 86.2% 39 37 94.9% 74 4494 15 20.3% 60.7 22 Cade York CLE 21 K 17 0 5 5 12 9 8 6 7 4 32 24 58 75.0% 37 35 94.6% 81 5032 50 61.7% 62.1 23 Evan McPherson CIN 23 K 16 0 1 1 6 5 4 4 13 9 5 5 29 24 59 82.8% 44 40 90.9% 90 5604 51 56.7% 62.3 24 Michael Badgley 2TM 27 K 13 0 7 6 7 7 11 9 3 2 28 24 53 85.7% 33 33 100.0% 5 195 1 20.0% 39.0 25 Wil Lutz NOR 28 K 17 0 6 6 11 9 8 4 6 4 31 23 60 74.2% 33 33 100.0% 75 4554 48 64.0% 60.7 26 Matt Prater ARI 38 K 13 0 1 1 10 10 8 6 6 5 25 22 57 88.0% 18 17 94.4% 49 3098 34 69.4% 63.2 27 Cairo Santos CHI 31 K 16 0 4 4 7 7 7 6 5 4 23 21 51 91.3% 32 27 84.4% 49 3076 28 57.1 -
Top 27 kickers, York #22. FG% only 75% ?? Why not 90% +/- ?? * 50 yd 7 att 4 made in 17 games ! NO CONFIDENCE IN YORK ! Stats do not lie !
Games 0-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ Scoring Kickoffs Rk Player Tm Age Pos G GS FGA FGM FGA FGM FGA FGM FGA FGM FGA FGM FGA FGM
▼Lng FG% XPA XPM XP% KO KOYds TB TB% KOAvg 1 Justin Tucker* BAL 33 K 17 0 13 13 11 11 5 4 14 9 43 37 58 86.0% 32 31 96.9% 86 5449 60 69.8% 63.4 2 Jason Myers* SEA 31 K 17 0 9 9 16 15 6 4 6 6 37 34 56 91.9% 42 41 97.6% 93 5839 54 58.1% 62.8 3 Daniel Carlson+ LVR 27 K 17 0 9 9 11 11 4 3 13 11 37 34 57 91.9% 36 35 97.2% 90 5548 57 63.3% 61.6 4 Eddy Pineiro CAR 27 K 17 0 2 2 17 16 14 13 2 2 35 33 54 94.3% 32 30 93.8% 83 5146 46 55.4% 62.0 5 Nick Folk NWE 38 K 17 0 1 1 9 9 8 8 14 10 5 4 37 32 54 86.5% 35 32 91.4% 33 1953 3 9.1% 59.2 6 Younghoe Koo ATL 28 K 17 0 9 9 7 7 10 9 11 7 37 32 54 86.5% 35 33 94.3% 7 Ryan Succop TAM 36 K 17 0 11 10 8 7 12 12 7 2 38 31 54 81.6% 25 24 96.0% 8 Greg Zuerlein NYJ 35 K 17 0 5 5 10 10 11 9 11 6 37 30 60 81.1% 29 28 96.6% 56 3590 47 83.9% 64.1 9 Chase McLaughlin IND 26 K 16 0 7 7 6 5 11 9 12 9 36 30 54 83.3% 21 21 100.0% 72 4682 38 52.8% 65.0 10 Riley Patterson JAX 23 K 17 0 8 8 11 10 13 10 3 2 35 30 53 85.7% 37 36 97.3% 88 5492 44 50.0% 62.4 11 Brett Maher DAL 33 K 17 0 9 9 5 5 7 6 11 9 32 29 60 90.6% 53 50 94.3% 100 6506 78 78.0% 65.1 12 Graham Gano NYG 35 K 17 0 2 2 10 9 11 10 9 8 32 29 57 90.6% 34 32 94.1% 84 5117 50 59.5% 60.9 13 Ka'imi Fairbairn HOU 28 K 17 0 7 7 8 7 10 9 6 6 31 29 56 93.5% 24 24 100.0% 75 4564 33 44.0% 60.9 14 Brandon McManus DEN 31 K 17 0 7 6 6 4 10 10 13 8 36 28 55 77.8% 27 25 92.6% 73 4580 51 69.9% 62.7 15 Matt Gay LAR 28 K 17 0 9 9 8 8 4 4 9 7 30 28 58 93.3% 32 31 96.9% 77 4843 61 79.2% 62.9 16 Robbie Gould SFO 40 K 17 0 14 13 5 5 11 7 2 2 32 27 51 84.4% 51 50 98.0% 95 5983 47 49.5% 63.0 17 Tyler Bass BUF 25 K 16 0 4 4 13 11 11 10 3 2 31 27 56 87.1% 50 48 96.0% 92 5759 43 46.7% 62.6 18 Greg Joseph MIN 28 K 17 0 10 10 5 5 8 7 10 4 33 26 61 78.8% 46 40 87.0% 89 5639 54 60.7% 63.4 19 Jason Sanders MIA 27 K 17 0 6 5 7 7 13 12 6 2 32 26 55 81.3% 44 41 93.2% 88 5486 61 69.3% 62.3 20 Joey Slye WAS 26 K 17 0 1 1 8 8 5 4 10 8 6 4 30 25 58 83.3% 28 24 85.7% 77 4802 60 77.9% 62.4 21 Mason Crosby GNB 38 K 17 0 10 10 8 8 7 6 4 1 29 25 56 86.2% 39 37 94.9% 74 4494 15 20.3% 60.7 22 Cade York CLE 21 K 17 0 5 5 12 9 8 6 7 4 32 24 58 75.0% 37 35 94.6% 81 5032 50 61.7% 62.1 23 Evan McPherson CIN 23 K 16 0 1 1 6 5 4 4 13 9 5 5 29 24 59 82.8% 44 40 90.9% 90 5604 51 56.7% 62.3 24 Michael Badgley 2TM 27 K 13 0 7 6 7 7 11 9 3 2 28 24 53 85.7% 33 33 100.0% 5 195 1 20.0% 39.0 25 Wil Lutz NOR 28 K 17 0 6 6 11 9 8 4 6 4 31 23 60 74.2% 33 33 100.0% 75 4554 48 64.0% 60.7 26 Matt Prater ARI 38 K 13 0 1 1 10 10 8 6 6 5 25 22 57 88.0% 18 17 94.4% 49 3098 34 69.4% 63.2 27 Cairo Santos CHI 31 K 16 0 4 4 7 7 7 6 5 4 23 21 51 91.3% 32 27 84.4% 49 3076 28 57.1 Top 27 kickers, York #22.
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Games 0-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ Scoring Kickoffs Rk Player Tm Age Pos G GS FGA FGM FGA FGM FGA FGM FGA FGM FGA FGM FGA FGM
▼Lng FG% XPA XPM XP% KO KOYds TB TB% KOAvg 1 Justin Tucker* BAL 33 K 17 0 13 13 11 11 5 4 14 9 43 37 58 86.0% 32 31 96.9% 86 5449 60 69.8% 63.4 2 Jason Myers* SEA 31 K 17 0 9 9 16 15 6 4 6 6 37 34 56 91.9% 42 41 97.6% 93 5839 54 58.1% 62.8 3 Daniel Carlson+ LVR 27 K 17 0 9 9 11 11 4 3 13 11 37 34 57 91.9% 36 35 97.2% 90 5548 57 63.3% 61.6 4 Eddy Pineiro CAR 27 K 17 0 2 2 17 16 14 13 2 2 35 33 54 94.3% 32 30 93.8% 83 5146 46 55.4% 62.0 5 Nick Folk NWE 38 K 17 0 1 1 9 9 8 8 14 10 5 4 37 32 54 86.5% 35 32 91.4% 33 1953 3 9.1% 59.2 6 Younghoe Koo ATL 28 K 17 0 9 9 7 7 10 9 11 7 37 32 54 86.5% 35 33 94.3% 7 Ryan Succop TAM 36 K 17 0 11 10 8 7 12 12 7 2 38 31 54 81.6% 25 24 96.0% 8 Greg Zuerlein NYJ 35 K 17 0 5 5 10 10 11 9 11 6 37 30 60 81.1% 29 28 96.6% 56 3590 47 83.9% 64.1 9 Chase McLaughlin IND 26 K 16 0 7 7 6 5 11 9 12 9 36 30 54 83.3% 21 21 100.0% 72 4682 38 52.8% 65.0 10 Riley Patterson JAX 23 K 17 0 8 8 11 10 13 10 3 2 35 30 53 85.7% 37 36 97.3% 88 5492 44 50.0% 62.4 11 Brett Maher DAL 33 K 17 0 9 9 5 5 7 6 11 9 32 29 60 90.6% 53 50 94.3% 100 6506 78 78.0% 65.1 12 Graham Gano NYG 35 K 17 0 2 2 10 9 11 10 9 8 32 29 57 90.6% 34 32 94.1% 84 5117 50 59.5% 60.9 13 Ka'imi Fairbairn HOU 28 K 17 0 7 7 8 7 10 9 6 6 31 29 56 93.5% 24 24 100.0% 75 4564 33 44.0% 60.9 14 Brandon McManus DEN 31 K 17 0 7 6 6 4 10 10 13 8 36 28 55 77.8% 27 25 92.6% 73 4580 51 69.9% 62.7 15 Matt Gay LAR 28 K 17 0 9 9 8 8 4 4 9 7 30 28 58 93.3% 32 31 96.9% 77 4843 61 79.2% 62.9 16 Robbie Gould SFO 40 K 17 0 14 13 5 5 11 7 2 2 32 27 51 84.4% 51 50 98.0% 95 5983 47 49.5% 63.0 17 Tyler Bass BUF 25 K 16 0 4 4 13 11 11 10 3 2 31 27 56 87.1% 50 48 96.0% 92 5759 43 46.7% 62.6 18 Greg Joseph MIN 28 K 17 0 10 10 5 5 8 7 10 4 33 26 61 78.8% 46 40 87.0% 89 5639 54 60.7% 63.4 19 Jason Sanders MIA 27 K 17 0 6 5 7 7 13 12 6 2 32 26 55 81.3% 44 41 93.2% 88 5486 61 69.3% 62.3 20 Joey Slye WAS 26 K 17 0 1 1 8 8 5 4 10 8 6 4 30 25 58 83.3% 28 24 85.7% 77 4802 60 77.9% 62.4 21 Mason Crosby GNB 38 K 17 0 10 10 8 8 7 6 4 1 29 25 56 86.2% 39 37 94.9% 74 4494 15 20.3% 60.7 22 Cade York CLE 21 K 17 0 5 5 12 9 8 6 7 4 32 24 58 75.0% 37 35 94.6% 81 5032 50 61.7% 62.1 23 Evan McPherson CIN 23 K 16 0 1 1 6 5 4 4 13 9 5 5 29 24 59 82.8% 44 40 90.9% 90 5604 51 56.7% 62.3 24 Michael Badgley 2TM 27 K 13 0 7 6 7 7 11 9 3 2 28 24 53 85.7% 33 33 100.0% 5 195 1 20.0% 39.0 25 Wil Lutz NOR 28 K 17 0 6 6 11 9 8 4 6 4 31 23 60 74.2% 33 33 100.0% 75 4554 48 64.0% 60.7 26 Matt Prater ARI 38 K 13 0 1 1 10 10 8 6 6 5 25 22 57 88.0% 18 17 94.4% 49 3098 34 69.4% 63.2 27 Cairo Santos CHI 31 K 16 0 4 4 7 7 7 6 5 4 23 21 51 91.3% 32 27 84.4% 49 3076 28 57.1 No one else has missed 3 from under 40? No one?
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A dart from DTR to Watkins. What a throw and catch. Watkins better make the roster. He has had more production in the preseason than Schwartz has had in his entire career.
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Need -or- needed to bring in or even draft a 4th +/- round kicker that can make almost ALL 40 yard and most 50 yard kicks.
Too much to ask ?
Just see the KICKER Stats on the bottom of page 4.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
fraternity announcer
bud light drinking drunks LMao .time was a local team would get each half
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Just see the KICKER Stats on the bottom of page 4.
How many are free agents other than Crosby?
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How many are free agents other than Crosby?
Last I saw in the past week - Robbie Gould is still available. If he can succeed in the Windy City, our FO can either sign a better kicker or worry about York's feelings instead of winning all season.
If a team doesn't want to start a QB before they're ready - why would they put the game in a kicker's hands, I mean foot, if he's clearly not ready? They can keep York on the practice squad and be done with this avoidable nightmare ahead.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
who are these annpuncer cocksuckers?
20 minutes, all they are talking about is the Eagles.
redzone play, and the fuckers are talking to AJ whothefuck......
Questionable 2 pt.play? Fuck replay.....show the TD over and over.
I hate these fraternity announcer cocksuckers. Fuck the Eagles.
I mean, it was the Eagles home announcers as they do for preseason games. You can almost smell the cheesesteak through the TV.
Just see the KICKER Stats on the bottom of page 4.
Eh, made FG's aren't my huge concern compared to accuracy. Crosby has kicked at a high level and in clutch situations for many years and in the cold. I'll say it a hundred times if I have to- York has the yips, bad. You can literally see it in the kid's face when he lines it up. Every kick the dude hits has some weird ass knuckle ball action to it, and he kicks extremely low. This dude barring a come to Jesus moment will cost this team games in an extremely tight division.
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Three games in and one to go before the Opener…this is the way I see the position groups.
QB. Mond out. Maybe you entertain the idea of DTR as a #2. He looks good now.
RB. Behind Chubb. Ford. Felton and Kelly. None of them strike me as a 2…Ford would be a fringe 2/Good 3 on most teams. Felton has been tried as a gadget play guy- he doesn’t have one thing that he can do really well at this level. Kelly- you can’t fumble the ball and he’s not a guy ripping off a bigger runs (sounds like 50 other RBs looking for work) Love Hassans wiggle but if you can’t catch the ball in this offensive you don’t belong. I just saw Trey Sermon get second half Carries maybe he’s available after cut downs?
WR- If Goodwin is gone for an extended time and you are keeping 6. It seems logical that you have Cooper, Moore, DPJ, Tillman, Bell, Watkins. If they have sub package in mind for Schwartz speed maybe I’m wrong. I can’t trust him…but his first catch last night shows you why some folks are hanging on- the DBs respect his speed and give him a lot of cushion but he’s not really a chain moving intermediate route runner. Do we move a guy like DPJ?
OL- I’m not going to say who stays or goes but I don’t EVER recall a Browns second unit playing this well in preseason. And We faced some dudes Jets, Commanders, Eagles.
DL- If Wright and Thomas were injury free there would be some tough choices. I still don’t see anything with Elliot. Conversely, Tommy T has flipped a switch (scheme, offseason workouts). The depth has improved a lot- you got guys like Hurst and Phelps flashing.
LB- my broken record statement Anthony Walker needs to be healthy. After that you let Diabate, JOK, maybe a guy like Charlie Thomas (dark horse to make the team) fly around and make plays.
DB- I think this group is going to improve overall with the new scheme. Loads of depth here…I don’t see an outsider making the Final Cut although is Ronnie Hickman just fortunate and taking advantage of opportunities or is a film study instinctual guy that you need on a roster. Do we move a guy like Delpit?
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deserved better results.
Back-ups played a hard road game well.
kickers can't leave points off the board in this league.
Fix It before week 1
deserved better results.
Back-ups played a hard road game well.
■ kickers can't leave points off the board in this league !
■ Fix It before week 1 !
~ And how many clutch kicks is York going to miss in the REGULAR SEASON when it counts for. REAL ?
~ OR could the Cleveland BROWNS MISS the playoffs by a few missed field goals or even missed extra points ?
■ I would NOT want to be the person responsible for answering those questions with the BROWNS current kicker.
▪︎ Just sayin'.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Did anyone else see this after reviewing your recording? I did not post this during game cause I was not sure. Sure now !
1.) Go to Philly's KO in the 4th quarter at 6:09 left
2.) Felton returns the KO to the 27 yard line. Refs flag & call was "Philly hands to the face, 10 yard penalty from returned spot"
3.) Browns starting drive, (that Cade York misses twice), only gets marked off for 5 yards to the 32 yard line.. Not The 37 yard line as announced.. Can hands to the face be changed on the field to a 5 yard penalty?
Please tell me if I'm seeing something wrong here. ? That's a large +plus 5 yards closer to the goalpost that just missed.
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deserved better results.
Back-ups played a hard road game well.
■ kickers can't leave points off the board in this league !
■ Fix It before week 1 !
~ And how many clutch kicks is York going to miss in the REGULAR SEASON when it counts for. REAL ?
~ OR could the Cleveland BROWNS MISS the playoffs by a few missed field goals or even missed extra points ?
■ I would NOT want to be the person responsible for answering those questions with the BROWNS current kicker.
▪︎ Just sayin'.
■ I would NOT want to be the person responsible for answering those questions with the BROWNS current kicker.
▪︎ Just sayin'.
If or when Haslam wants Cade off (t)his team? Jimmy won't care if Berry drafted him.
Keep this in mind. If the Browns decide to pay Crosby or Gould? Cade York will be wasting another players spot sitting on practice squad imho . York won't be a Brown for long paying either FA replacement. York's gone.
These photos were taken prior to York hitting the game winning bomb in Carolina last season.. Note the angle of the ball on the stand..
Top photo is 8 yards shorter from where Cade kicked the game winner in warm ups, at same end. this hit just under mid net !
Almost certain York's rarely getting those kind of angles from his holder(nor hold pressure). Maybe tossing this warm up holder in the trash & have him kick with Bojorquez or a back-up QB holding at all times. Saw York using Huelett snap, Bojorquez hold, to Cade's kick all of maybe 5 snaps in warm ups. Maybe back to the basics, should Include it's missing parts ?
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watched about three quarters.
How did the Browns draft York, the most often rated #1 kicker, and ruin his consistency? York was a STAR in college. How does this happen?
How hard is it to go from college to the pros as a kicker? I have no idea, but something isn't right. I'm wondering if it isn't York's fault.
I wonder if strength and conditioning threw his mechanics off. Maybe coaching threw him off. He certainly wasn't off in college at LSU I think it was.
Watching the defense was a breath of fresh air - Jim Schwartz is the MAN. His defense seems to make so much sense, apparently to the players. Not perfect, And that isn't even any starters? I'm impressed. But it's only preseason.
The offense - kickass rbs, check. Upgraded wr group, double check. Offensive line - not starters, they can play with any other defense, I think. Not perfect, but it's preseason.
Mond - not prime time - doesn't seem to see it. Then there is DTR - who does. He sees everything, sees it very fast - can do it all. Very smart.
Sure, I'd rather have had the Browns DRAFT a qb, and let DTR start some games til the rookie was ready. That's just me.
But DTR can be very elusive, and has a qb's brain. He just gets it. I suppose he can be locked in as the #2.
Stefanski - can't stand him. I mean, ever since he became the hc, every interview, he is like a drunken deer trying to avoid deer hunters.
He hasn't sounded intelligent once that I've noticed. But the other coaches - seems like a star-studded cast to me. That is Stupanski's saving grace so far.
Preseason is rarely anything to get excited about - some teams win in preseason, and lose most of the games in regular season.
But that was the best preseason game I can remember ever watching. A lot of talent on that second team bunch. And, the Eagles have a lot of depth too. Good competition, and the Browns were right there with them.
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So cal can actually talk about a team in the correct forum?
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