With BQ, we should have traded BE instead of K2
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AdaM said:
Next year we'll get a receiver and OL in round 1 or 1 and 2.No, I definitely think they will go for Defensive line help. Whatever the hell they do they need to start stopping the run.
No, I definitely think they will go for Defensive line help. Whatever the hell they do they need to start stopping the run.
They stopped the run just fine in the first half, they need endurance.
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I'm still trying to figure out how Quinn threw deep multiple times all 4 years in college. The guy was always throwing bombs for completions to people. But now he can't throw deep? Do the big guns get in the way?
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I'm still trying to figure out how Quinn threw deep multiple times all 4 years in college. The guy was always throwing bombs for completions to people. But now he can't throw deep? Do the big guns get in the way?
Chickenwang said:
I'm still trying to figure out how Quinn threw deep multiple times all 4 years in college. The guy was always throwing bombs for completions to people. But now he can't throw deep? Do the big guns get in the way?People misconstrue the arm strength with going deep. Young QB's generally go against 2 and 3 deep coverages or at times with 8 in the box. It basically takes away the deep threat while putting the strong safety up tight. They have to show a propensity to beat that coverage with underneath stuff that beats the blitz and moves the chains. It also helps to have a running game of substance. Once defenses are forced to adjust then they can start taking shots downfield.
While I agree you have to take some shots in the middle of the field I would rather my guy not force it. I would rather the offense dictate to the defense what they're going to do. You get dinked and dunked on enough with the chains moving you'll change things up.
Quinn took some shots last week with Braylon when there was no safety help. On the one it was a TD and the other it was a miscommunication for a pick.
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We traded the right player in that KWII is on the downside of his career physically.... I'm amazed that he stilllays at a high level...
BE can be a beast if he's focused.. I hate to say it but we don't have any burners in our receiving corps which would take pressure off of BE...
I agree with ya Riffer, you have to take what the defense gives you and play to your strengths....
Unlike you however I still haven't made up my mind about Brady.... I question his arm strength, in that, you need to throw ropes on those 25 - 30 yard passes.... Your D backs have so much speed that the window of opportunity closes so quickly....
Brady had a bad game against the Vikings but the good thing is, theres another game this week and we'll see if he grows and learns from his mistakes....
Peace
T.Dawg
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We traded the right player in that KWII is on the downside of his career physically.... I'm amazed that he stilllays at a high level...
BE can be a beast if he's focused.. I hate to say it but we don't have any burners in our receiving corps which would take pressure off of BE...
I agree with ya Riffer, you have to take what the defense gives you and play to your strengths....
Unlike you however I still haven't made up my mind about Brady.... I question his arm strength, in that, you need to throw ropes on those 25 - 30 yard passes.... Your D backs have so much speed that the window of opportunity closes so quickly....
Brady had a bad game against the Vikings but the good thing is, theres another game this week and we'll see if he grows and learns from his mistakes....
Peace
T.Dawg
We traded the right player in that KWII is on the downside of his career physically.... I'm amazed that he stilllays at a high level...
BE can be a beast if he's focused.. I hate to say it but we don't have any burners in our receiving corps which would take pressure off of BE...
I agree with ya Riffer, you have to take what the defense gives you and play to your strengths....
Unlike you however I still haven't made up my mind about Brady.... I question his arm strength, in that, you need to throw ropes on those 25 - 30 yard passes.... Your D backs have so much speed that the window of opportunity closes so quickly....
Brady had a bad game against the Vikings but the good thing is, theres another game this week and we'll see if he grows and learns from his mistakes....
Peace
T.Dawg
The question will be though, will it be a better game because he learned/gets more practice time in with the #1's or will it be a better game because hes playing against a less tenacious defense? I agree though that you don't force the long ball just to keep the "arm strength" question at bay, you read the coverage and take what the d gives you.
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Chickenwang said:
I'm still trying to figure out how Quinn threw deep multiple times all 4 years in college. The guy was always throwing bombs for completions to people. But now he can't throw deep? Do the big guns get in the way?People misconstrue the arm strength with going deep. Young QB's generally go against 2 and 3 deep coverages or at times with 8 in the box. It basically takes away the deep threat while putting the strong safety up tight. They have to show a propensity to beat that coverage with underneath stuff that beats the blitz and moves the chains. It also helps to have a running game of substance. Once defenses are forced to adjust then they can start taking shots downfield.
While I agree you have to take some shots in the middle of the field I would rather my guy not force it. I would rather the offense dictate to the defense what they're going to do. You get dinked and dunked on enough with the chains moving you'll change things up.
Quinn took some shots last week with Braylon when there was no safety help. On the one it was a TD and the other it was a miscommunication for a pick.
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We traded the right player in that KWII is on the downside of his career physically.... I'm amazed that he stilllays at a high level...
BE can be a beast if he's focused.. I hate to say it but we don't have any burners in our receiving corps which would take pressure off of BE...
I agree with ya Riffer, you have to take what the defense gives you and play to your strengths....
Unlike you however I still haven't made up my mind about Brady.... I question his arm strength, in that, you need to throw ropes on those 25 - 30 yard passes.... Your D backs have so much speed that the window of opportunity closes so quickly....
Brady had a bad game against the Vikings but the good thing is, theres another game this week and we'll see if he grows and learns from his mistakes....
Peace
T.Dawg
I hate to say it but we don't have any burners in our receiving corps which would take pressure off of BE...
This is what Stallworth was ostensibly signed for. In theory it should have worked waaaaaay better than it did in practice.
Where are James Jett, Willie Gault and, I dunno, Usain Bolt when you need them.
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huh?Well considering the DB had to ride Braylons out of bounds and he still came back in and caught it for a TD only to have it taken away by a cunt hair review yeah, it was a TD. It doesn't go into the stat books as one, but the point was it was a deep ball with isolated coverage.
Carry on choco ono
Is a pig's ass pork? -
We traded the right player in that KWII is on the downside of his career physically.... I'm amazed that he stilllays at a high level...
BE can be a beast if he's focused.. I hate to say it but we don't have any burners in our receiving corps which would take pressure off of BE...
I agree with ya Riffer, you have to take what the defense gives you and play to your strengths....
Unlike you however I still haven't made up my mind about Brady.... I question his arm strength, in that, you need to throw ropes on those 25 - 30 yard passes.... Your D backs have so much speed that the window of opportunity closes so quickly....
Brady had a bad game against the Vikings but the good thing is, theres another game this week and we'll see if he grows and learns from his mistakes....
Peace
T.Dawg
We traded the right player in that KWII is on the downside of his career physically.... I'm amazed that he stilllays at a high level...
BE can be a beast if he's focused.. I hate to say it but we don't have any burners in our receiving corps which would take pressure off of BE...
I agree with ya Riffer, you have to take what the defense gives you and play to your strengths....
Unlike you however I still haven't made up my mind about Brady.... I question his arm strength, in that, you need to throw ropes on those 25 - 30 yard passes.... Your D backs have so much speed that the window of opportunity closes so quickly....
Brady had a bad game against the Vikings but the good thing is, theres another game this week and we'll see if he grows and learns from his mistakes....
Peace
T.Dawg
Not sure where I ever said I was convinced about anything regarding Quinn, I just want to see him for a year. I think he has plenty of arm though, that has been discussed ad nauseum here with quite a bit of proof that he has plenty of arm needed.
Nobody is saying he has DA's arm, but he has an NFL arm.
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huh?
Well considering the DB had to ride Braylons out of bounds and he still came back in and caught it for a TD only to have it taken away by a cunt hair review yeah, it was a TD. It doesn't go into the stat books as one, but the point was it was a deep ball with isolated coverage.
Carry on choco ono
Well considering the DB had to ride Braylons out of bounds and he still came back in and caught it for a TD only to have it taken away by a xxxx hair review yeah, it was a TD. It doesn't go into the stat books as one, but the point was it was a deep ball with isolated coverage.
Carry on choco ono
rules are rules....every team abides by them. hence...not a TD.
did we get 6 points? no? ok then
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Well considering the DB had to ride Braylons out of bounds and he still came back in and caught it for a TD only to have it taken away by a xxxx hair review yeah, it was a TD. It doesn't go into the stat books as one, but the point was it was a deep ball with isolated coverage.
Carry on choco ono
rules are rules....every team abides by them. hence...not a TD.
did we get 6 points? no? ok then
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huh?
Well considering the DB had to ride Braylons out of bounds and he still came back in and caught it for a TD only to have it taken away by a cunt hair review yeah, it was a TD. It doesn't go into the stat books as one, but the point was it was a deep ball with isolated coverage.
Carry on choco ono
only to have it taken away by a xxxx hair review yeah, it was a TD.
while we're at it, let's give Anderson the TD to Winslow at Arizona in 2007 because he was pushed out.
That gives the Browns the W, so he really went 11-4.
That also puts CLE in the playoffs that year, so he is a playoff QB.
Also that is his 30th TD for the year, so he is actually the franchise record holder for TDs in a season.
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only to have it taken away by a xxxx hair review yeah, it was a TD.
while we're at it, let's give Anderson the TD to Winslow at Arizona in 2007 because he was pushed out.
That gives the Browns the W, so he really went 11-4.
That also puts CLE in the playoffs that year, so he is a playoff QB.
Also that is his 30th TD for the year, so he is actually the franchise record holder for TDs in a season.
while we're at it, let's give Anderson the TD to Winslow at Arizona in 2007 because he was pushed out.
That gives the Browns the W, so he really went 11-4.
That also puts CLE in the playoffs that year, so he is a playoff QB.
Also that is his 30th TD for the year, so he is actually the franchise record holder for TDs in a season.
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Masters said:
Missing the point.no...its a stupid point. at this rate, queen will have 30TD's by the end of the season, while still being outscored by dawson.
no...its a stupid point. at this rate, queen will have 30TD's by the end of the season, while still being outscored by dawson.
Because you say so? If you understood the point you wouldn't even say what I bolded above. No one is saying it actually is a TD or counts as one. Scoring a TD in the air was never the point. The point was even specifically stated in Riffers post you responded to: "but the point was it was a deep ball with isolated coverage"
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The point is....BQ is a better Qb with K2 than with BE...IMO. Lost in this hijacked thread is the draft doesn't make sense to me by keeping BE...we brought it patten(for the he's a Mentor crowd), furrey is seasoned as well. Keeping K2 and adding royal made alot more sense than keeping BE when you take two 2nd round wr's. Second rounders are suppossed to contribute right away...we have three riding pine for the most part. It wont be to long before Edwards starts his me first,(i'm in a contract year)throw me the ball crap. Heated words on sideline ala TO. I mean ....we have three 2nd rounders on the bench....which to me... SUX ass. Kokinis you are on notice!
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The point is....BQ is a better Qb with K2 than with BE...IMO. Lost in this hijacked thread is the draft doesn't make sense to me by keeping BE...we brought it patten(for the he's a Mentor crowd), furrey is seasoned as well. Keeping K2 and adding royal made alot more sense than keeping BE when you take two 2nd round wr's. Second rounders are suppossed to contribute right away...we have three riding pine for the most part. It wont be to long before Edwards starts his me first,(i'm in a contract year)throw me the ball crap. Heated words on sideline ala TO. I mean ....we have three 2nd rounders on the bench....which to me... SUX ass. Kokinis you are on notice!
The point is....BQ is a better Qb with K2 than with BE...IMO. Lost in this hijacked thread is the draft doesn't make sense to me by keeping BE...we brought it patten(for the he's a Mentor crowd), furrey is seasoned as well. Keeping K2 and adding royal made alot more sense than keeping BE when you take two 2nd round wr's. Second rounders are suppossed to contribute right away...we have three riding pine for the most part. It wont be to long before Edwards starts his me first,(i'm in a contract year)throw me the ball crap. Heated words on sideline ala TO. I mean ....we have three 2nd rounders on the bench....which to me... SUX ass. Kokinis you are on notice!
just cos we have MoMass and Robiskie does not mean we should trade away BE. We dont know if they have even half the talent level of BE. If they were that good wont they see some playing time atleast ? The only reason i think we got 2 receivers is insurance, in case we get a big trade offer for BE after the draft. From what i have seem both of them are as inconsistent as BE and anyone who assumes that they both are currently as good as BE or better are wrong.
Keeping K2 would have made sense but the bucks did not come for BE. We got a trade offer which we felt was good and traded ..
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The point is....BQ is a better Qb with K2 than with BE...IMO. Lost in this hijacked thread is the draft doesn't make sense to me by keeping BE...we brought it patten(for the he's a Mentor crowd), furrey is seasoned as well. Keeping K2 and adding royal made alot more sense than keeping BE when you take two 2nd round wr's. Second rounders are suppossed to contribute right away...we have three riding pine for the most part. It wont be to long before Edwards starts his me first,(i'm in a contract year)throw me the ball crap. Heated words on sideline ala TO. I mean ....we have three 2nd rounders on the bench....which to me... SUX ass. Kokinis you are on notice!
just cos we have MoMass and Robiskie does not mean we should trade away BE. We dont know if they have even half the talent level of BE. If they were that good wont they see some playing time atleast ? The only reason i think we got 2 receivers is insurance, in case we get a big trade offer for BE after the draft. From what i have seem both of them are as inconsistent as BE and anyone who assumes that they both are currently as good as BE or better are wrong.
Keeping K2 would have made sense but the bucks did not come for BE. We got a trade offer which we felt was good and traded ..
just cos we have MoMass and Robiskie does not mean we should trade away BE. We dont know if they have even half the talent level of BE. If they were that good wont they see some playing time atleast ? The only reason i think we got 2 receivers is insurance, in case we get a big trade offer for BE after the draft. From what i have seem both of them are as inconsistent as BE and anyone who assumes that they both are currently as good as BE or better are wrong.
Keeping K2 would have made sense but the bucks did not come for BE. We got a trade offer which we felt was good and traded ..
BS...2nd rounders as expected to start...not as "Insurance"...p.s "just cos we have MoMass and Robiskie does not mean we should trade away BE." we did try to trade BE!
"We dont know if they have even half the talent level of BE. Don't draft them in the second round! Second rounders are expected to start!
"From what i have seem both of them are as inconsistent as BE" I haven't seen the on the field yet, but for a play here and there....again questionable draft picks
"anyone who assumes that they both are currently as good as BE or better are wrong." Again to my point....Questionable strategy in the draft room...
FINALLY...THREE SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICKS NOT IMPACTING GAME....YET! I HOPE THEY DO!
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