The Official ? Monday Night Football Cleveland Browns at Pittsburgh Steelers Thread ? Sept 18
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..........maaaaaan..........
Prayers for Chubb. That was the worst injury I've ever seen in a game. It may be that it's magnified by the fact that it happened to such a stand up player and amplified by it coming from such a shady incestuous and disgusting team and player such as the Thieves.
My only solace is in my own sick mind in which hopefully Fitzwacktrick is bleeding internally somewhere coughing up blood with so.e fractured ribs, a lacerated liver and three punctured lungs... forgive me Lord for I have sinned...
I literally believe this team must be Effing CURSED. I don't know why I let myself lower my guard enough to be suckered back into this unholy torture. Lord have mercy on us all.
This is pure insanity. The Cleveland Browns are the undisputed-undefeated-reigning-defending Heavyweight Gaslight Champions of the World!!! Abusing us with their incompetence that is borderline trauma based mind control since 1999.
I already knew this was going to happen.. I prayed they would resign Hunt. The second I found out they let him walk I KNEW Chubb was going to get a season ending injury. Although, ya know, they actually outdid themselves and this may be career ending... it's a darn shame. Shame. Shame. Shame.
It's ironic and even quite a bit tickling that the only playoff victory I can remember was won without a coach, by a QB and a RB that they just let walk away. I hope Mayfield runs the table and Kareem tells them to pound salt... (no! shake it off baby!...) What I hope is; Mayfeild shares the comeback player of the year award with Kareem Hunt. Supposing he resigns after Stefansky and Berry give him a Watson Special.
Ugh. I hate football. I rue the day I dell in love with the Orange and Brown... hmm. Maybe those white helmets I got so excited about at kickoff were a bad omen. Maybe I'll try out some shock therapy... where'd I put those collars, maybe in the basement with the other browns crap... after all; "the browns is the browns", and "Next year Baby!"
I can't believe I didnt even make it through September...in retrospect, I should have known better. I wonder if battered spouse counseling could help...
I'm 100 percent convinced that the second Watson facemask penalty was the Thieves punking the refs once again! On the replay I swear that guy was trying to pull Watsons hand and hold it on his mask to draw that flag. They are just so dishonest they should be the ones embarrassed but somehow-someway I always end up being the one embarrassed by associating with this unparralled perpetually burning train wreck of a team!
... Hi, my name is Poet... And I'm a Brownsaholic. I guess I'm just addicted to pain.
I...just...cant...look...away...
Oh, one last thing, on the bright side- if there is one player that may be able to overcome an injury as gruesome as what I witnessed today... it's gonna be Nick Chubb. I'm a believer. And since I don't know how to quit, I'm gonna bet that Batman may even make it back to start in the playoffs.
Good to hear from you bub!
Good to hear from you bub!
It's been a little while brother. Tonight was a tough one. ?
That hit on Chubb got me all up in my bag of bad-bad thoughts.
I heard about Saquon'sigh... injury. Then I wss thinking about Kareem and how he should have been splitting carries with Chubb and why we couldn't keep that duo together? Which reminded me they could afford to keep him because we paid Watson a three kings ransom... which then reminded me that Mayfield was 2-0 with Tampa, and that we still aren't, apparently we haven't started 2-0 since 1993, which is another infamous world record that the announcers so kindly displayed onscreen and jinxed us with their wuwu media magic.
Figured I should pop in for a few before I start cutting and speaking in tongues.
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..........maaaaaan..........
Prayers for Chubb. That was the worst injury I've ever seen in a game. It may be that it's magnified by the fact that it happened to such a stand up player and amplified by it coming from such a shady incestuous and disgusting team and player such as the Thieves.
My only solace is in my own sick mind in which hopefully Fitzwacktrick is bleeding internally somewhere coughing up blood with so.e fractured ribs, a lacerated liver and three punctured lungs... forgive me Lord for I have sinned...
I literally believe this team must be Effing CURSED. I don't know why I let myself lower my guard enough to be suckered back into this unholy torture. Lord have mercy on us all.
This is pure insanity. The Cleveland Browns are the undisputed-undefeated-reigning-defending Heavyweight Gaslight Champions of the World!!! Abusing us with their incompetence that is borderline trauma based mind control since 1999.
I already knew this was going to happen.. I prayed they would resign Hunt. The second I found out they let him walk I KNEW Chubb was going to get a season ending injury. Although, ya know, they actually outdid themselves and this may be career ending... it's a darn shame. Shame. Shame. Shame.
It's ironic and even quite a bit tickling that the only playoff victory I can remember was won without a coach, by a QB and a RB that they just let walk away. I hope Mayfield runs the table and Kareem tells them to pound salt... (no! shake it off baby!...) What I hope is; Mayfeild shares the comeback player of the year award with Kareem Hunt. Supposing he resigns after Stefansky and Berry give him a Watson Special.
Ugh. I hate football. I rue the day I dell in love with the Orange and Brown... hmm. Maybe those white helmets I got so excited about at kickoff were a bad omen. Maybe I'll try out some shock therapy... where'd I put those collars, maybe in the basement with the other browns crap... after all; "the browns is the browns", and "Next year Baby!"
I can't believe I didnt even make it through September...in retrospect, I should have known better. I wonder if battered spouse counseling could help...
I'm 100 percent convinced that the second Watson facemask penalty was the Thieves punking the refs once again! On the replay I swear that guy was trying to pull Watsons hand and hold it on his mask to draw that flag. They are just so dishonest they should be the ones embarrassed but somehow-someway I always end up being the one embarrassed by associating with this unparralled perpetually burning train wreck of a team!
... Hi, my name is Poet... And I'm a Brownsaholic. I guess I'm just addicted to pain.
I...just...cant...look...away...
Oh, one last thing, on the bright side- if there is one player that may be able to overcome an injury as gruesome as what I witnessed today... it's gonna be Nick Chubb. I'm a believer. And since I don't know how to quit, I'm gonna bet that Batman may even make it back to start in the playoffs.
My only solace is in my own sick mind in which hopefully Fitzwacktrick is bleeding internally somewhere coughing up blood with so.e fractured ribs, a lacerated liver and three punctured lungs... forgive me Lord for I have sinned...
I hope he's decorating the front of a city bus in the near future.
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My only solace is in my own sick mind in which hopefully Fitzwacktrick is bleeding internally somewhere coughing up blood with so.e fractured ribs, a lacerated liver and three punctured lungs... forgive me Lord for I have sinned...
I hope he's decorating the front of a city bus in the near future.
I hope he's decorating the front of a city bus in the near future.
I know it is wrong... but I can't help myself from envisioning the fantasy that it's also a quite rusty from the rampant problem of the homeless people pissing on the grill... that's septic son, we're gonna need to amputate...
Sorry that's wrong... after reflecting a bit I realize that. He's such a scum bag that he probably immune to such things. Dude probably breeds MRSA.
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I will say this. Although I didn't hear it at the time (sorry, the voices in my head were screaming REDRUM), the announcers said that the Thieves fans were chanting "Chubb, Chubb, Chubb". I was actually taken aback a little and it snapped me out of my psychosis. I was actually touched and for a moment I thought, maybe Sodom and Gomorrah might have some hope of being spared after all.
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I can't be the only guy who was wondering when the hell was the last time I saw a quarterback commit two egregious personal fouls/ face masks?
WSS
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I can't be the only guy who was wondering when the hell was the last time I saw a quarterback commit two egregious personal fouls/ face masks?
WSS
I can't be the only guy who was wondering when the hell was the last time I saw a quarterback commit two egregious personal fouls/ face masks?
WSS
I know I have a severe bias here but I actually thought that on the first one it looked like he went for a legit stiff arm to the face but one of his fingers slipped in between the bar and the helmet and it looked like he only grabbed it so it didn't rip his finger off. He did grab and pull him but he was probably legit trying to pull him through since dude wasn't pulling up.
The second one was pure theatrics on the part of the Steelers player. He grabbed Watsons arm in a way the he trapped his hand against his mask, almost pulling his hand in his own mask. I just cant believe the refs fell for that bullshit. The refs should know to look for that type of behavior from known and repeated offenders benders of the rules. Watch that again and look at the way Watson is trying to get his hand back from that scab.
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I do not expect good things from here out.
Stefanski has no idea how to use Watson, and Watson is obviously so far in to his own head right now.
They are a horrible fit. This offense looks as jumbled and patchwork as it did the last six weeks.
I've mentioned a bunch of times this off-season my worry is NOT the play-calling but the design of the passing game and receiving routes in particular. If you get a chance - look at the receiving routes the last time the Browns had the ball. Here I am watching my favorite Pro Football Team try to erase a 2nd half deficit and a youth football offense broke out with Poindexter's father calling the plays hoping to see his QB throw a no-look skyhook pass for the game winner. Unfortunately for him but fortunately for us - Cleveland turned the ball over on downs so we didn't have to see any more.
I've mentioned a bunch of times this off-season my worry is NOT the play-calling but the design of the passing game and receiving routes in particular. If you get a chance - look at the receiving routes the last time the Browns had the ball. Here I am watching my favorite Pro Football Team try to erase a 2nd half deficit and a youth football offense broke out with Poindexter's father calling the plays hoping to see his QB throw a no-look skyhook pass for the game winner. Unfortunately for him but fortunately for us - Cleveland turned the ball over on downs so we didn't have to see any more.
Absolutely.
Dump passes and out routes, and the occasional deep pass that is so goddamned telegraphed Ray Charles could have seen it coming.
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For as much as they call holding to kill drives you'd think the players would start pressing for it to be a 5 yard penalty
For as much as they call holding to kill drives you'd think the players would start pressing for it to be a 5 yard penalty
That's what I said. And both holdings were bullshit that totally altered the game. It really doesn't matter anyway. Chubb is out and Watson sucks. And our coach will be fired shortly. The last 4 drives we had the ball are some of the funniest moments I've seen in football. Just total futility culminating in a hilarious play call that made no sense and the Steelers actually KNEW was coming. Lmao!
Goodbye Stefanski. We actually thought you were the one.
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Hello 6 wins. Kev sucks. Kareem hunt wont come to this shitshow.
230 million for a guy who spent 700 days away from the game and it shows.
Fleeced again.
Hello 6 wins. Kev sucks. Kareem hunt wont come to this shitshow.
230 million for a guy who spent 700 days away from the game and it shows.
Fleeced again.
I'm done with the "he's rusty" excuse. If you can't get in shape with half a year and an entire off season and training camp you aren't good.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I’m at the stage there’s no way even with rust that DW can be this bad
The coaching staff on offense are not putting him in the best position to succeed
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I can't be the only guy who was wondering when the hell was the last time I saw a quarterback commit two egregious personal fouls/ face masks?
WSS
I know I have a severe bias here but I actually thought that on the first one it looked like he went for a legit stiff arm to the face but one of his fingers slipped in between the bar and the helmet and it looked like he only grabbed it so it didn't rip his finger off. He did grab and pull him but he was probably legit trying to pull him through since dude wasn't pulling up.
The second one was pure theatrics on the part of the Steelers player. He grabbed Watsons arm in a way the he trapped his hand against his mask, almost pulling his hand in his own mask. I just cant believe the refs fell for that bullshit. The refs should know to look for that type of behavior from known and repeated offenders benders of the rules. Watch that again and look at the way Watson is trying to get his hand back from that scab.
I know I have a severe bias here but I actually thought that on the first one it looked like he went for a legit stiff arm to the face but one of his fingers slipped in between the bar and the helmet and it looked like he only grabbed it so it didn't rip his finger off. He did grab and pull him but he was probably legit trying to pull him through since dude wasn't pulling up.
The second one was pure theatrics on the part of the Steelers player. He grabbed Watsons arm in a way the he trapped his hand against his mask, almost pulling his hand in his own mask. I just cant believe the refs fell for that bullshit. The refs should know to look for that type of behavior from known and repeated offenders benders of the rules. Watch that again and look at the way Watson is trying to get his hand back from that scab.
He held on and dragged the opponent's head around. It was absolutely on purpose. It was a shitty thing for any player to do. If it had been a Steeler we'd have wanted him kicked out of the game.
WSS
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For as much as they call holding to kill drives you'd think the players would start pressing for it to be a 5 yard penalty
That's what I said. And both holdings were bullshit that totally altered the game. It really doesn't matter anyway. Chubb is out and Watson sucks. And our coach will be fired shortly. The last 4 drives we had the ball are some of the funniest moments I've seen in football. Just total futility culminating in a hilarious play call that made no sense and the Steelers actually KNEW was coming. Lmao!
Goodbye Stefanski. We actually thought you were the one.
That's what I said. And both holdings were bullshit that totally altered the game. It really doesn't matter anyway. Chubb is out and Watson sucks. And our coach will be fired shortly. The last 4 drives we had the ball are some of the funniest moments I've seen in football. Just total futility culminating in a hilarious play call that made no sense and the Steelers actually KNEW was coming. Lmao!
Goodbye Stefanski. We actually thought you were the one.
The Browns just showed you why it'll never matter WHO they draft or trade for at QB - they're gonna take a promising NFL QB that started his career leading his 1st team to the playoffs and making Pro Bowls in his very 1st 2 seasons to looking worse than the QB they chased out of town (with Berry proudly telling people he didn't draft Baker). That's fine; but your collective FO (especially Depodesta and a guy they hired as a Head Coach who only wanted to be an Offensive Coordinator paid to be the Head Coach has turned Watson into the worst QB he's ever been college or pro). BTW, the Browns had to burn a timeout because they were about to get penalized for 12 men on the field when our punt return team took the field.
Stefanski might be a nice guy and all - but I think it's time they empower the Offensive Coordinator to be the OC and get out of his way (like they've done for Schwartz). How many times did I repeat they better have a plan for TJ Watt. I'll bet he thanks the Cleveland Browns some day for his Hall of Fame status. When Deshaun Watson is running around in the back field with defensive people closing in - WHAT KIND OF ROUTE ADJUSTMENTS were going on to help him? Oh wait, Depodesta wants a vertical passing game only so we have a former MLB Exec remote controlling Stefanski's play calling AFTER he's edited - provided the self-destructive playbook. We added Elijah Moore to be this guy that's always open right? What if there's no routes in the playbook or route adjustments that allow him to provide this kind of help? Uh-oh? @ballpeen mentioned he didn't like way he saw the Browns trying to use him the other day. I'm not sure they have the slightest idea on how they can use their receivers a lot better than they choose to.
They can also give us the - we can't turn the ball over nonsense they want. That said, if they worked on ball security every practice since the OTAs started - it might actually work out there. High schools teams do this - at least the ones that like winning. It all starts at the top with the FO (and Depodesta over-stepping his football IQ and his desire to make Stefanski HIS choice which reeled in the ole "I don't want to let him down" mentality from Stefanski). I wish someone would ask Kevin so what do you guys do daily in practice to make sure we're not revisiting this discussion?
If you commit to a QB - you don't square peg round hole him into something he's never been - you try to understand the wiring of the QB and improve the stuff that will be helpful from him and around him. In other words, if you drafted a Josh Allen you DON'T pretend he's Dan Marino with the quick read-lightning release. You give him a Brian Daboll instead of a Dr Frankenstein while you also add some pieces around him with a COMPETANT playbook so calling plays isn't like trying to shit through severe constipation.
Whatever! If anyone has ever watched Deshaun Watson play for Houston - you know this is the worst he's ever looked in the NFL. Challenge yourself to ask "why is this?" and do some research. Read up on his 1st 2 years in the NFL after beating an NFL prospect loaded Bama defense for a National Championship.
The problem is - Depodesta and Stefanski aren't going to give themselves an honest self-evaluation to correct what's wrong with the design of this offense. Hope I'm wrong but I kind of doubt it.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
That's what I said. And both holdings were bullshit that totally altered the game. It really doesn't matter anyway. Chubb is out and Watson sucks. And our coach will be fired shortly. The last 4 drives we had the ball are some of the funniest moments I've seen in football. Just total futility culminating in a hilarious play call that made no sense and the Steelers actually KNEW was coming. Lmao!
Goodbye Stefanski. We actually thought you were the one.
The Browns just showed you why it'll never matter WHO they draft or trade for at QB - they're gonna take a promising NFL QB that started his career leading his 1st team to the playoffs and making Pro Bowls in his very 1st 2 seasons to looking worse than the QB they chased out of town (with Berry proudly telling people he didn't draft Baker). That's fine; but your collective FO (especially Depodesta and a guy they hired as a Head Coach who only wanted to be an Offensive Coordinator paid to be the Head Coach has turned Watson into the worst QB he's ever been college or pro). BTW, the Browns had to burn a timeout because they were about to get penalized for 12 men on the field when our punt return team took the field.
Stefanski might be a nice guy and all - but I think it's time they empower the Offensive Coordinator to be the OC and get out of his way (like they've done for Schwartz). How many times did I repeat they better have a plan for TJ Watt. I'll bet he thanks the Cleveland Browns some day for his Hall of Fame status. When Deshaun Watson is running around in the back field with defensive people closing in - WHAT KIND OF ROUTE ADJUSTMENTS were going on to help him? Oh wait, Depodesta wants a vertical passing game only so we have a former MLB Exec remote controlling Stefanski's play calling AFTER he's edited - provided the self-destructive playbook. We added Elijah Moore to be this guy that's always open right? What if there's no routes in the playbook or route adjustments that allow him to provide this kind of help? Uh-oh? @ballpeen mentioned he didn't like way he saw the Browns trying to use him the other day. I'm not sure they have the slightest idea on how they can use their receivers a lot better than they choose to.
They can also give us the - we can't turn the ball over nonsense they want. That said, if they worked on ball security every practice since the OTAs started - it might actually work out there. High schools teams do this - at least the ones that like winning. It all starts at the top with the FO (and Depodesta over-stepping his football IQ and his desire to make Stefanski HIS choice which reeled in the ole "I don't want to let him down" mentality from Stefanski). I wish someone would ask Kevin so what do you guys do daily in practice to make sure we're not revisiting this discussion?
If you commit to a QB - you don't square peg round hole him into something he's never been - you try to understand the wiring of the QB and improve the stuff that will be helpful from him and around him. In other words, if you drafted a Josh Allen you DON'T pretend he's Dan Marino with the quick read-lightning release. You give him a Brian Daboll instead of a Dr Frankenstein while you also add some pieces around him with a COMPETANT playbook so calling plays isn't like trying to shit through severe constipation.
Whatever! If anyone has ever watched Deshaun Watson play for Houston - you know this is the worst he's ever looked in the NFL. Challenge yourself to ask "why is this?" and do some research. Read up on his 1st 2 years in the NFL after beating an NFL prospect loaded Bama defense for a National Championship.
The problem is - Depodesta and Stefanski aren't going to give themselves an honest self-evaluation to correct what's wrong with the design of this offense. Hope I'm wrong but I kind of doubt it.
Stefanski might be a nice guy and all - but I think it's time they empower the Offensive Coordinator to be the OC and get out of his way (like they've done for Schwartz). How many times did I repeat they better have a plan for TJ Watt. I'll bet he thanks the Cleveland Browns some day for his Hall of Fame status. When Deshaun Watson is running around in the back field with defensive people closing in - WHAT KIND OF ROUTE ADJUSTMENTS were going on to help him? Oh wait, Depodesta wants a vertical passing game only so we have a former MLB Exec remote controlling Stefanski's play calling AFTER he's edited - provided the self-destructive playbook. We added Elijah Moore to be this guy that's always open right? What if there's no routes in the playbook or route adjustments that allow him to provide this kind of help?
This 100%. The route tree the browns have in their playbook is pathetic. I look around the league and see wrs getting wide open in the intermediate range (nfl wide open) for every team. Then i watch the browns and it seems like 90% of our completions take a great throw and a contested catch (with the exception of short screens etc). For 3 years now we have heard our wrs don't get separation. Our wrs are plenty good enough to get separation so you have to ask why don't they get the separation. Its the unimaginative playcalling combined with the lack of a route tree. It legitimately seems like we have the 9 route post/slant route and the occasional out route as the only routes ran by wrs in our playbook.
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Stefanski might be a nice guy and all - but I think it's time they empower the Offensive Coordinator to be the OC and get out of his way (like they've done for Schwartz). How many times did I repeat they better have a plan for TJ Watt. I'll bet he thanks the Cleveland Browns some day for his Hall of Fame status. When Deshaun Watson is running around in the back field with defensive people closing in - WHAT KIND OF ROUTE ADJUSTMENTS were going on to help him? Oh wait, Depodesta wants a vertical passing game only so we have a former MLB Exec remote controlling Stefanski's play calling AFTER he's edited - provided the self-destructive playbook. We added Elijah Moore to be this guy that's always open right? What if there's no routes in the playbook or route adjustments that allow him to provide this kind of help?
This 100%. The route tree the browns have in their playbook is pathetic. I look around the league and see wrs getting wide open in the intermediate range (nfl wide open) for every team. Then i watch the browns and it seems like 90% of our completions take a great throw and a contested catch (with the exception of short screens etc). For 3 years now we have heard our wrs don't get separation. Our wrs are plenty good enough to get separation so you have to ask why don't they get the separation. Its the unimaginative playcalling combined with the lack of a route tree. It legitimately seems like we have the 9 route post/slant route and the occasional out route as the only routes ran by wrs in our playbook.
This 100%. The route tree the browns have in their playbook is pathetic. I look around the league and see wrs getting wide open in the intermediate range (nfl wide open) for every team. Then i watch the browns and it seems like 90% of our completions take a great throw and a contested catch (with the exception of short screens etc). For 3 years now we have heard our wrs don't get separation. Our wrs are plenty good enough to get separation so you have to ask why don't they get the separation. Its the unimaginative playcalling combined with the lack of a route tree. It legitimately seems like we have the 9 route post/slant route and the occasional out route as the only routes ran by wrs in our playbook.
How about the back shoulder fade on 4th and 7 to end the game? LMAO
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To the guy that made the post hoping that Kenny Pickett got injured fuck you. I don't want to win a game because we knock out a key player. And that statement was bad karma whether you believe in it or not. Also to the Steeler fan guest that reported it blow me.
WSS
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I would of kept my 250 million guaranteedI would of kept my 3 first round draft picsI would of kept the guy who played injured who embraced Cleveland, took us to the playoffs and beat Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh who is 2-0 over a guy that couldn’t out play Kenny Picket. At least Jacoby Brisset stood in the pocket and made throws!!Baker was invested in the City and in you!This guy initially “turned you down” it took 250 million, Its called Karma (27)
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The simple fact of the matter is the QB position lost this game for the Browns, and looked really bad in a lot of spots doing so. If you want to blame coaching, or the QB himself? Up to people smarter to me. What I saw though was Watson seeing ghosts out there last night. There were at least 4 times I noticed easy underneath throws being available, and open, and Watson just didn't put the ball where it needed to be. The question fundamentally becomes is it a QB issue or a scheme issue? Maybe both?
The toughest part is towards the end of the game the dude was seeing ghosts out there. Abandoning the pocket early and just making really bad decisions. The Titans formula is eerily similar to the Steelers, we will see how it goes.
Want to know the most fun fact from yesterday? The Browns held the Steelers to -4 yards of offense, with a lead, in the 4th quarter and lost.
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The simple fact of the matter is the QB position lost this game for the Browns, and looked really bad in a lot of spots doing so. If you want to blame coaching, or the QB himself? Up to people smarter to me. What I saw though was Watson seeing ghosts out there last night. There were at least 4 times I noticed easy underneath throws being available, and open, and Watson just didn't put the ball where it needed to be. The question fundamentally becomes is it a QB issue or a scheme issue? Maybe both?
The toughest part is towards the end of the game the dude was seeing ghosts out there. Abandoning the pocket early and just making really bad decisions. The Titans formula is eerily similar to the Steelers, we will see how it goes.
Want to know the most fun fact from yesterday? The Browns held the Steelers to -4 yards of offense, with a lead, in the 4th quarter and lost.
The simple fact of the matter is the QB position lost this game for the Browns, and looked really bad in a lot of spots doing so. If you want to blame coaching, or the QB himself? Up to people smarter to me. What I saw though was Watson seeing ghosts out there last night. There were at least 4 times I noticed easy underneath throws being available, and open, and Watson just didn't put the ball where it needed to be. The question fundamentally becomes is it a QB issue or a scheme issue? Maybe both?
The toughest part is towards the end of the game the dude was seeing ghosts out there. Abandoning the pocket early and just making really bad decisions. The Titans formula is eerily similar to the Steelers, we will see how it goes.
I'm calling it now.. Stefanski canned at the bye week...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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