The Official ? Monday Night Football Cleveland Browns at Pittsburgh Steelers Thread ? Sept 18
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For as much as they call holding to kill drives you'd think the players would start pressing for it to be a 5 yard penalty
For as much as they call holding to kill drives you'd think the players would start pressing for it to be a 5 yard penalty
That's what I said. And both holdings were bullshit that totally altered the game. It really doesn't matter anyway. Chubb is out and Watson sucks. And our coach will be fired shortly. The last 4 drives we had the ball are some of the funniest moments I've seen in football. Just total futility culminating in a hilarious play call that made no sense and the Steelers actually KNEW was coming. Lmao!
Goodbye Stefanski. We actually thought you were the one.
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Hello 6 wins. Kev sucks. Kareem hunt wont come to this shitshow.
230 million for a guy who spent 700 days away from the game and it shows.
Fleeced again.
Hello 6 wins. Kev sucks. Kareem hunt wont come to this shitshow.
230 million for a guy who spent 700 days away from the game and it shows.
Fleeced again.
I'm done with the "he's rusty" excuse. If you can't get in shape with half a year and an entire off season and training camp you aren't good.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I’m at the stage there’s no way even with rust that DW can be this bad
The coaching staff on offense are not putting him in the best position to succeed
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I can't be the only guy who was wondering when the hell was the last time I saw a quarterback commit two egregious personal fouls/ face masks?
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I know I have a severe bias here but I actually thought that on the first one it looked like he went for a legit stiff arm to the face but one of his fingers slipped in between the bar and the helmet and it looked like he only grabbed it so it didn't rip his finger off. He did grab and pull him but he was probably legit trying to pull him through since dude wasn't pulling up.
The second one was pure theatrics on the part of the Steelers player. He grabbed Watsons arm in a way the he trapped his hand against his mask, almost pulling his hand in his own mask. I just cant believe the refs fell for that bullshit. The refs should know to look for that type of behavior from known and repeated offenders benders of the rules. Watch that again and look at the way Watson is trying to get his hand back from that scab.
I know I have a severe bias here but I actually thought that on the first one it looked like he went for a legit stiff arm to the face but one of his fingers slipped in between the bar and the helmet and it looked like he only grabbed it so it didn't rip his finger off. He did grab and pull him but he was probably legit trying to pull him through since dude wasn't pulling up.
The second one was pure theatrics on the part of the Steelers player. He grabbed Watsons arm in a way the he trapped his hand against his mask, almost pulling his hand in his own mask. I just cant believe the refs fell for that bullshit. The refs should know to look for that type of behavior from known and repeated offenders benders of the rules. Watch that again and look at the way Watson is trying to get his hand back from that scab.
He held on and dragged the opponent's head around. It was absolutely on purpose. It was a shitty thing for any player to do. If it had been a Steeler we'd have wanted him kicked out of the game.
WSS
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For as much as they call holding to kill drives you'd think the players would start pressing for it to be a 5 yard penalty
That's what I said. And both holdings were bullshit that totally altered the game. It really doesn't matter anyway. Chubb is out and Watson sucks. And our coach will be fired shortly. The last 4 drives we had the ball are some of the funniest moments I've seen in football. Just total futility culminating in a hilarious play call that made no sense and the Steelers actually KNEW was coming. Lmao!
Goodbye Stefanski. We actually thought you were the one.
That's what I said. And both holdings were bullshit that totally altered the game. It really doesn't matter anyway. Chubb is out and Watson sucks. And our coach will be fired shortly. The last 4 drives we had the ball are some of the funniest moments I've seen in football. Just total futility culminating in a hilarious play call that made no sense and the Steelers actually KNEW was coming. Lmao!
Goodbye Stefanski. We actually thought you were the one.
The Browns just showed you why it'll never matter WHO they draft or trade for at QB - they're gonna take a promising NFL QB that started his career leading his 1st team to the playoffs and making Pro Bowls in his very 1st 2 seasons to looking worse than the QB they chased out of town (with Berry proudly telling people he didn't draft Baker). That's fine; but your collective FO (especially Depodesta and a guy they hired as a Head Coach who only wanted to be an Offensive Coordinator paid to be the Head Coach has turned Watson into the worst QB he's ever been college or pro). BTW, the Browns had to burn a timeout because they were about to get penalized for 12 men on the field when our punt return team took the field.
Stefanski might be a nice guy and all - but I think it's time they empower the Offensive Coordinator to be the OC and get out of his way (like they've done for Schwartz). How many times did I repeat they better have a plan for TJ Watt. I'll bet he thanks the Cleveland Browns some day for his Hall of Fame status. When Deshaun Watson is running around in the back field with defensive people closing in - WHAT KIND OF ROUTE ADJUSTMENTS were going on to help him? Oh wait, Depodesta wants a vertical passing game only so we have a former MLB Exec remote controlling Stefanski's play calling AFTER he's edited - provided the self-destructive playbook. We added Elijah Moore to be this guy that's always open right? What if there's no routes in the playbook or route adjustments that allow him to provide this kind of help? Uh-oh? @ballpeen mentioned he didn't like way he saw the Browns trying to use him the other day. I'm not sure they have the slightest idea on how they can use their receivers a lot better than they choose to.
They can also give us the - we can't turn the ball over nonsense they want. That said, if they worked on ball security every practice since the OTAs started - it might actually work out there. High schools teams do this - at least the ones that like winning. It all starts at the top with the FO (and Depodesta over-stepping his football IQ and his desire to make Stefanski HIS choice which reeled in the ole "I don't want to let him down" mentality from Stefanski). I wish someone would ask Kevin so what do you guys do daily in practice to make sure we're not revisiting this discussion?
If you commit to a QB - you don't square peg round hole him into something he's never been - you try to understand the wiring of the QB and improve the stuff that will be helpful from him and around him. In other words, if you drafted a Josh Allen you DON'T pretend he's Dan Marino with the quick read-lightning release. You give him a Brian Daboll instead of a Dr Frankenstein while you also add some pieces around him with a COMPETANT playbook so calling plays isn't like trying to shit through severe constipation.
Whatever! If anyone has ever watched Deshaun Watson play for Houston - you know this is the worst he's ever looked in the NFL. Challenge yourself to ask "why is this?" and do some research. Read up on his 1st 2 years in the NFL after beating an NFL prospect loaded Bama defense for a National Championship.
The problem is - Depodesta and Stefanski aren't going to give themselves an honest self-evaluation to correct what's wrong with the design of this offense. Hope I'm wrong but I kind of doubt it.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
That's what I said. And both holdings were bullshit that totally altered the game. It really doesn't matter anyway. Chubb is out and Watson sucks. And our coach will be fired shortly. The last 4 drives we had the ball are some of the funniest moments I've seen in football. Just total futility culminating in a hilarious play call that made no sense and the Steelers actually KNEW was coming. Lmao!
Goodbye Stefanski. We actually thought you were the one.
The Browns just showed you why it'll never matter WHO they draft or trade for at QB - they're gonna take a promising NFL QB that started his career leading his 1st team to the playoffs and making Pro Bowls in his very 1st 2 seasons to looking worse than the QB they chased out of town (with Berry proudly telling people he didn't draft Baker). That's fine; but your collective FO (especially Depodesta and a guy they hired as a Head Coach who only wanted to be an Offensive Coordinator paid to be the Head Coach has turned Watson into the worst QB he's ever been college or pro). BTW, the Browns had to burn a timeout because they were about to get penalized for 12 men on the field when our punt return team took the field.
Stefanski might be a nice guy and all - but I think it's time they empower the Offensive Coordinator to be the OC and get out of his way (like they've done for Schwartz). How many times did I repeat they better have a plan for TJ Watt. I'll bet he thanks the Cleveland Browns some day for his Hall of Fame status. When Deshaun Watson is running around in the back field with defensive people closing in - WHAT KIND OF ROUTE ADJUSTMENTS were going on to help him? Oh wait, Depodesta wants a vertical passing game only so we have a former MLB Exec remote controlling Stefanski's play calling AFTER he's edited - provided the self-destructive playbook. We added Elijah Moore to be this guy that's always open right? What if there's no routes in the playbook or route adjustments that allow him to provide this kind of help? Uh-oh? @ballpeen mentioned he didn't like way he saw the Browns trying to use him the other day. I'm not sure they have the slightest idea on how they can use their receivers a lot better than they choose to.
They can also give us the - we can't turn the ball over nonsense they want. That said, if they worked on ball security every practice since the OTAs started - it might actually work out there. High schools teams do this - at least the ones that like winning. It all starts at the top with the FO (and Depodesta over-stepping his football IQ and his desire to make Stefanski HIS choice which reeled in the ole "I don't want to let him down" mentality from Stefanski). I wish someone would ask Kevin so what do you guys do daily in practice to make sure we're not revisiting this discussion?
If you commit to a QB - you don't square peg round hole him into something he's never been - you try to understand the wiring of the QB and improve the stuff that will be helpful from him and around him. In other words, if you drafted a Josh Allen you DON'T pretend he's Dan Marino with the quick read-lightning release. You give him a Brian Daboll instead of a Dr Frankenstein while you also add some pieces around him with a COMPETANT playbook so calling plays isn't like trying to shit through severe constipation.
Whatever! If anyone has ever watched Deshaun Watson play for Houston - you know this is the worst he's ever looked in the NFL. Challenge yourself to ask "why is this?" and do some research. Read up on his 1st 2 years in the NFL after beating an NFL prospect loaded Bama defense for a National Championship.
The problem is - Depodesta and Stefanski aren't going to give themselves an honest self-evaluation to correct what's wrong with the design of this offense. Hope I'm wrong but I kind of doubt it.
Stefanski might be a nice guy and all - but I think it's time they empower the Offensive Coordinator to be the OC and get out of his way (like they've done for Schwartz). How many times did I repeat they better have a plan for TJ Watt. I'll bet he thanks the Cleveland Browns some day for his Hall of Fame status. When Deshaun Watson is running around in the back field with defensive people closing in - WHAT KIND OF ROUTE ADJUSTMENTS were going on to help him? Oh wait, Depodesta wants a vertical passing game only so we have a former MLB Exec remote controlling Stefanski's play calling AFTER he's edited - provided the self-destructive playbook. We added Elijah Moore to be this guy that's always open right? What if there's no routes in the playbook or route adjustments that allow him to provide this kind of help?
This 100%. The route tree the browns have in their playbook is pathetic. I look around the league and see wrs getting wide open in the intermediate range (nfl wide open) for every team. Then i watch the browns and it seems like 90% of our completions take a great throw and a contested catch (with the exception of short screens etc). For 3 years now we have heard our wrs don't get separation. Our wrs are plenty good enough to get separation so you have to ask why don't they get the separation. Its the unimaginative playcalling combined with the lack of a route tree. It legitimately seems like we have the 9 route post/slant route and the occasional out route as the only routes ran by wrs in our playbook.
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Stefanski might be a nice guy and all - but I think it's time they empower the Offensive Coordinator to be the OC and get out of his way (like they've done for Schwartz). How many times did I repeat they better have a plan for TJ Watt. I'll bet he thanks the Cleveland Browns some day for his Hall of Fame status. When Deshaun Watson is running around in the back field with defensive people closing in - WHAT KIND OF ROUTE ADJUSTMENTS were going on to help him? Oh wait, Depodesta wants a vertical passing game only so we have a former MLB Exec remote controlling Stefanski's play calling AFTER he's edited - provided the self-destructive playbook. We added Elijah Moore to be this guy that's always open right? What if there's no routes in the playbook or route adjustments that allow him to provide this kind of help?
This 100%. The route tree the browns have in their playbook is pathetic. I look around the league and see wrs getting wide open in the intermediate range (nfl wide open) for every team. Then i watch the browns and it seems like 90% of our completions take a great throw and a contested catch (with the exception of short screens etc). For 3 years now we have heard our wrs don't get separation. Our wrs are plenty good enough to get separation so you have to ask why don't they get the separation. Its the unimaginative playcalling combined with the lack of a route tree. It legitimately seems like we have the 9 route post/slant route and the occasional out route as the only routes ran by wrs in our playbook.
This 100%. The route tree the browns have in their playbook is pathetic. I look around the league and see wrs getting wide open in the intermediate range (nfl wide open) for every team. Then i watch the browns and it seems like 90% of our completions take a great throw and a contested catch (with the exception of short screens etc). For 3 years now we have heard our wrs don't get separation. Our wrs are plenty good enough to get separation so you have to ask why don't they get the separation. Its the unimaginative playcalling combined with the lack of a route tree. It legitimately seems like we have the 9 route post/slant route and the occasional out route as the only routes ran by wrs in our playbook.
How about the back shoulder fade on 4th and 7 to end the game? LMAO
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To the guy that made the post hoping that Kenny Pickett got injured fuck you. I don't want to win a game because we knock out a key player. And that statement was bad karma whether you believe in it or not. Also to the Steeler fan guest that reported it blow me.
WSS
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I would of kept my 250 million guaranteedI would of kept my 3 first round draft picsI would of kept the guy who played injured who embraced Cleveland, took us to the playoffs and beat Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh who is 2-0 over a guy that couldn’t out play Kenny Picket. At least Jacoby Brisset stood in the pocket and made throws!!Baker was invested in the City and in you!This guy initially “turned you down” it took 250 million, Its called Karma (27)
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The simple fact of the matter is the QB position lost this game for the Browns, and looked really bad in a lot of spots doing so. If you want to blame coaching, or the QB himself? Up to people smarter to me. What I saw though was Watson seeing ghosts out there last night. There were at least 4 times I noticed easy underneath throws being available, and open, and Watson just didn't put the ball where it needed to be. The question fundamentally becomes is it a QB issue or a scheme issue? Maybe both?
The toughest part is towards the end of the game the dude was seeing ghosts out there. Abandoning the pocket early and just making really bad decisions. The Titans formula is eerily similar to the Steelers, we will see how it goes.
Want to know the most fun fact from yesterday? The Browns held the Steelers to -4 yards of offense, with a lead, in the 4th quarter and lost.
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The simple fact of the matter is the QB position lost this game for the Browns, and looked really bad in a lot of spots doing so. If you want to blame coaching, or the QB himself? Up to people smarter to me. What I saw though was Watson seeing ghosts out there last night. There were at least 4 times I noticed easy underneath throws being available, and open, and Watson just didn't put the ball where it needed to be. The question fundamentally becomes is it a QB issue or a scheme issue? Maybe both?
The toughest part is towards the end of the game the dude was seeing ghosts out there. Abandoning the pocket early and just making really bad decisions. The Titans formula is eerily similar to the Steelers, we will see how it goes.
Want to know the most fun fact from yesterday? The Browns held the Steelers to -4 yards of offense, with a lead, in the 4th quarter and lost.
The simple fact of the matter is the QB position lost this game for the Browns, and looked really bad in a lot of spots doing so. If you want to blame coaching, or the QB himself? Up to people smarter to me. What I saw though was Watson seeing ghosts out there last night. There were at least 4 times I noticed easy underneath throws being available, and open, and Watson just didn't put the ball where it needed to be. The question fundamentally becomes is it a QB issue or a scheme issue? Maybe both?
The toughest part is towards the end of the game the dude was seeing ghosts out there. Abandoning the pocket early and just making really bad decisions. The Titans formula is eerily similar to the Steelers, we will see how it goes.
I'm calling it now.. Stefanski canned at the bye week...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
I saw this gem this morning…”Steelers entered the fourth quarter trailing the Browns 22-19, gained -7 total yards in the final quarter, and won the game 26-22”
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The simple fact of the matter is the QB position lost this game for the Browns, and looked really bad in a lot of spots doing so. If you want to blame coaching, or the QB himself? Up to people smarter to me. What I saw though was Watson seeing ghosts out there last night. There were at least 4 times I noticed easy underneath throws being available, and open, and Watson just didn't put the ball where it needed to be. The question fundamentally becomes is it a QB issue or a scheme issue? Maybe both?
The toughest part is towards the end of the game the dude was seeing ghosts out there. Abandoning the pocket early and just making really bad decisions. The Titans formula is eerily similar to the Steelers, we will see how it goes.
I'm calling it now.. Stefanski canned at the bye week...
I'm calling it now.. Stefanski canned at the bye week...
It doesn’t get easier.
The Steelers are not a good football team. Playing The Titans without Nick Chubb you are essentially playing right into their hands.
Of course Baltimore who should be healthy in two weeks outplayed the Bengals on the road.
If we are 2-2 headed into the Bye I’ll be happy.
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BTW who planned this shit show to have no real backup players for the tough yards inside at RB. If they don't fear that then they pin their ears back on our deer in the headlights QB.
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I'm calling it now.. Stefanski canned at the bye week...
It doesn’t get easier.
The Steelers are not a good football team. Playing The Titans without Nick Chubb you are essentially playing right into their hands.
Of course Baltimore who should be healthy in two weeks outplayed the Bengals on the road.
If we are 2-2 headed into the Bye I’ll be happy.
It doesn’t get easier.
The Steelers are not a good football team. Playing The Titans without Nick Chubb you are essentially playing right into their hands.
Of course Baltimore who should be healthy in two weeks outplayed the Bengals on the road.
If we are 2-2 headed into the Bye I’ll be happy.
I don't think were winning anymore games till we get to the cup cake part of the season...
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BTW who planned this shit show to have no real backup players for the tough yards inside at RB. If they don't fear that then they pin their ears back on our deer in the headlights QB.
BTW who planned this shit show to have no real backup players for the tough yards inside at RB. If they don't fear that then they pin their ears back on our deer in the headlights QB.
Yeah I was not a fan of letting D'earnest Johnson walk...
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That's what I said. And both holdings were bullshit that totally altered the game. It really doesn't matter anyway. Chubb is out and Watson sucks. And our coach will be fired shortly. The last 4 drives we had the ball are some of the funniest moments I've seen in football. Just total futility culminating in a hilarious play call that made no sense and the Steelers actually KNEW was coming. Lmao!
Goodbye Stefanski. We actually thought you were the one.
The Browns just showed you why it'll never matter WHO they draft or trade for at QB - they're gonna take a promising NFL QB that started his career leading his 1st team to the playoffs and making Pro Bowls in his very 1st 2 seasons to looking worse than the QB they chased out of town (with Berry proudly telling people he didn't draft Baker). That's fine; but your collective FO (especially Depodesta and a guy they hired as a Head Coach who only wanted to be an Offensive Coordinator paid to be the Head Coach has turned Watson into the worst QB he's ever been college or pro). BTW, the Browns had to burn a timeout because they were about to get penalized for 12 men on the field when our punt return team took the field.
Stefanski might be a nice guy and all - but I think it's time they empower the Offensive Coordinator to be the OC and get out of his way (like they've done for Schwartz). How many times did I repeat they better have a plan for TJ Watt. I'll bet he thanks the Cleveland Browns some day for his Hall of Fame status. When Deshaun Watson is running around in the back field with defensive people closing in - WHAT KIND OF ROUTE ADJUSTMENTS were going on to help him? Oh wait, Depodesta wants a vertical passing game only so we have a former MLB Exec remote controlling Stefanski's play calling AFTER he's edited - provided the self-destructive playbook. We added Elijah Moore to be this guy that's always open right? What if there's no routes in the playbook or route adjustments that allow him to provide this kind of help? Uh-oh? @ballpeen mentioned he didn't like way he saw the Browns trying to use him the other day. I'm not sure they have the slightest idea on how they can use their receivers a lot better than they choose to.
They can also give us the - we can't turn the ball over nonsense they want. That said, if they worked on ball security every practice since the OTAs started - it might actually work out there. High schools teams do this - at least the ones that like winning. It all starts at the top with the FO (and Depodesta over-stepping his football IQ and his desire to make Stefanski HIS choice which reeled in the ole "I don't want to let him down" mentality from Stefanski). I wish someone would ask Kevin so what do you guys do daily in practice to make sure we're not revisiting this discussion?
If you commit to a QB - you don't square peg round hole him into something he's never been - you try to understand the wiring of the QB and improve the stuff that will be helpful from him and around him. In other words, if you drafted a Josh Allen you DON'T pretend he's Dan Marino with the quick read-lightning release. You give him a Brian Daboll instead of a Dr Frankenstein while you also add some pieces around him with a COMPETANT playbook so calling plays isn't like trying to shit through severe constipation.
Whatever! If anyone has ever watched Deshaun Watson play for Houston - you know this is the worst he's ever looked in the NFL. Challenge yourself to ask "why is this?" and do some research. Read up on his 1st 2 years in the NFL after beating an NFL prospect loaded Bama defense for a National Championship.
The problem is - Depodesta and Stefanski aren't going to give themselves an honest self-evaluation to correct what's wrong with the design of this offense. Hope I'm wrong but I kind of doubt it.
@ballpeen mentioned he didn't like way he saw the Browns trying to use him the other day. I'm not sure they have the slightest idea on how they can use their receivers a lot better than they choose to.
Yep, I think Moore had another whopping 35 yard game. Something isn't working. It seems all of the passes head to the boundary. I don't know if that is by design or if Watson just won't throw over the middle.
It's only 2 games in to the season, so I am not going to start pointing fingers, but I will say that something in the passing game just isn't clicking, and they better figure it out, especially since Chubb is out for the season, if not forever.
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