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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Bias? He likes Baker, but how is that biased? Nickers has no control of the numbers, so his post has no bias in it.
Every value judgement made in the sport of football is based on numbers. They drive the draft, HOF elections, GOAT conversations and on it goes. We can't get pissed then when the numbers don't support us.
I have no clue if Watson is our guy. So far, c'mon people, this guy has shown no reason for optimism.
These idiots conveniently forget I was a huge fan of Warren Moon and Steve "AIR" McNair who both happened to be black QB's.. So all this 'bias' shit , sounds completely stupid... I judge QB's solely on performance.. And the numbers say Depud Watson is terrible... This guy inspires nothing...
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Bias? He likes Baker, but how is that biased? Nickers has no control of the numbers, so his post has no bias in it.
Every value judgement made in the sport of football is based on numbers. They drive the draft, HOF elections, GOAT conversations and on it goes. We can't get pissed then when the numbers don't support us.
I have no clue if Watson is our guy. So far, c'mon people, this guy has shown no reason for optimism.
Let's check the Watson vs. Baker stats at the end of the year. Baker had two games against very porous defenses.
If you want to cherry pick the first two games of the year, go ahead.
Here is Baker's stats from last year, a full season with the Rams/Panthers:
2-8 record, 180.3 YPG, 10 TD's, 8 INT's, 2 lost fumbles, 36 sacks in 10 games, QBR 79.0.
So cut the bullshit Ghoolie.
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You're such a fucking douche.
This is absolutely true.
But that doesn't mean nickers isn't right about some of the situation either.
The Browns (Stefanski) have no idea how to utilize Watson, but that doesn't excuse his poor play across the board.
Without Chubb, this IMO is going to get ugly. Stefanski without Chubb is a scary proposition.
And I have no doubt that Baker will come crashing towards mediocrity as he always does, but since some on here seem obsessed with their Great White Dope, we'll have to hear about him for years to come.
Good times! ?
This is absolutely true.
But that doesn't mean nickers isn't right about some of the situation either.
The Browns (Stefanski) have no idea how to utilize Watson, but that doesn't excuse his poor play across the board.
Without Chubb, this IMO is going to get ugly. Stefanski without Chubb is a scary proposition.
And I have no doubt that Baker will come crashing towards mediocrity as he always does, but since some on here seem obsessed with their Great White Dope, we'll have to hear about him for years to come.
Good times! ?
The fan boys seem to think the Browns didn't know what they were doing when they sent Baker packing. They weren't inside the locker room and practices. I'm still honked off Baker kept trotting out there to play his last season in Cleveland when with that shoulder injury it was obviously affecting his play. And his career stats say to this point he's a pretty average QB... Tia's been pointing out for years his shortcomings. Well I suppose right now, we'd prefer average quarterbacking as opposed the garbage Watson has shown us so far this year.
Yeah Pickett is gawd awful...
& LOL, Watson is even worse, you have to go to page two in the QB stats on NFL.com to find him.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Bias? He likes Baker, but how is that biased? Nickers has no control of the numbers, so his post has no bias in it.
Every value judgement made in the sport of football is based on numbers. They drive the draft, HOF elections, GOAT conversations and on it goes. We can't get pissed then when the numbers don't support us.
I have no clue if Watson is our guy. So far, c'mon people, this guy has shown no reason for optimism.
These idiots conveniently forget I was a huge fan of Warren Moon and Steve "AIR" McNair who both happened to be black QB's.. So all this 'bias' shit , sounds completely stupid... I judge QB's solely on performance.. And the numbers say Depud Watson is terrible... This guy inspires nothing...
I judge QB's solely on performance.. And the numbers say Depud Watson is terrible..
Why don't you try to put things into context for a change before your douchiness starts to act up? Stonehand Bryant dropped a pass that hit him in the hands that resulted in an immediate seven points. I'm sure you can appreiciate the importance of that when you look back at the playoff game a couple years ago when the ball was hiked over Rothliberger's head. Not to mention they're franchise player went down with a devastating knee injury how that might effect the team mentally. I'll admit Watson didn't play well but for fuck sake I think you can give him the benefit of the doubt.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Last year's stats have absolutely no weight in this conversation. For instance......if the Browns win the SB this year, none of the shit before matters.
We live in the here and now. We are playing THIS season, not last season.
Browns fans have been second guessing our trades and cuts for our entire history......Warfield for Phipps.....Mitchell for Davis......Len Dawson....and on it goes.
Some of you guys are really emotional over this debate, but fuck dudes, in the event Baker outperforms Watson long term, it isn't just Watson detractors here that are going to point fingers at the Browns apparr3nt fuck up.
Watson versus Baker is a valid debate. You may not like it, but is a valid debate.
My.concernis the continued, repeating problems that have been a staple since 1999.
We deserve better
Go fuck yourself asshole.
If you want to have a circle jerk about Baker Mayfield then go ahead. You Baker losers enjoy splooging all over each other.
It does zero good to talk about quarterbacks who no longer play for the team. Baker, Johnny, Tim Couch. Who cares. I care about the team we currently have.
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I judge QB's solely on performance.. And the numbers say Depud Watson is terrible..
Why don't you try to put things into context for a change before your douchiness starts to act up? Stonehand Bryant dropped a pass that hit him in the hands that resulted in an immediate seven points. I'm sure you can appreiciate the importance of that when you look back at the playoff game a couple years ago when the ball was hiked over Rothliberger's head. Not to mention they're franchise player went down with a devastating knee injury how that might effect the team mentally. I'll admit Watson didn't play well but for fuck sake I think you can give him the benefit of the doubt.
Why don't you try to put things into context for a change before your douchiness starts to act up? Stonehand Bryant dropped a pass that hit him in the hands that resulted in an immediate seven points. I'm sure you can appreiciate the importance of that when you look back at the playoff game a couple years ago when the ball was hiked over Rothliberger's head. Not to mention they're franchise player went down with a devastating knee injury how that might effect the team mentally. I'll admit Watson didn't play well but for fuck sake I think you can give him the benefit of the doubt.
Why don't you go hit a bong and sit this one out Julio...
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I judge QB's solely on performance.. And the numbers say Depud Watson is terrible..
Why don't you try to put things into context for a change before your douchiness starts to act up? Stonehand Bryant dropped a pass that hit him in the hands that resulted in an immediate seven points. I'm sure you can appreiciate the importance of that when you look back at the playoff game a couple years ago when the ball was hiked over Rothliberger's head. Not to mention they're franchise player went down with a devastating knee injury how that might effect the team mentally. I'll admit Watson didn't play well but for fuck sake I think you can give him the benefit of the doubt.
Why don't you try to put things into context for a change before your douchiness starts to act up? Stonehand Bryant dropped a pass that hit him in the hands that resulted in an immediate seven points. I'm sure you can appreiciate the importance of that when you look back at the playoff game a couple years ago when the ball was hiked over Rothliberger's head. Not to mention they're franchise player went down with a devastating knee injury how that might effect the team mentally. I'll admit Watson didn't play well but for fuck sake I think you can give him the benefit of the doubt.
Regarding Watson's lousy play... Two games, and some folks are of the opinion he's going to totally suck the rest of the season. Maybe he will, and maybe he'll pull his head out of his ass and start playing like the Pro Bowl QB he was in Houston. Time will tell. And barring injury, he's going to be the starting QB the rest of the season.
It's the way with fans everywhere in the NFL. When things go south, it's fire the head coach asap. And if the QB is playing poorly, the most popular player on the roster is the backup QB. ?
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Why don't you try to put things into context for a change before your douchiness starts to act up? Stonehand Bryant dropped a pass that hit him in the hands that resulted in an immediate seven points. I'm sure you can appreiciate the importance of that when you look back at the playoff game a couple years ago when the ball was hiked over Rothliberger's head. Not to mention they're franchise player went down with a devastating knee injury how that might effect the team mentally. I'll admit Watson didn't play well but for fuck sake I think you can give him the benefit of the doubt.
Why don't you go hit a bong and sit this one out Julio...
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Why don't you try to put things into context for a change before your douchiness starts to act up? Stonehand Bryant dropped a pass that hit him in the hands that resulted in an immediate seven points. I'm sure you can appreiciate the importance of that when you look back at the playoff game a couple years ago when the ball was hiked over Rothliberger's head. Not to mention they're franchise player went down with a devastating knee injury how that might effect the team mentally. I'll admit Watson didn't play well but for fuck sake I think you can give him the benefit of the doubt.
Regarding Watson's lousy play... Two games, and some folks are of the opinion he's going to totally suck the rest of the season. Maybe he will, and maybe he'll pull his head out of his ass and start playing like the Pro Bowl QB he was in Houston. Time will tell. And barring injury, he's going to be the starting QB the rest of the season.
It's the way with fans everywhere in the NFL. When things go south, it's fire the head coach asap. And if the QB is playing poorly, the most popular player on the roster is the backup QB. ?
Regarding Watson's lousy play... Two games, and some folks are of the opinion he's going to totally suck the rest of the season. Maybe he will, and maybe he'll pull his head out of his ass and start playing like the Pro Bowl QB he was in Houston. Time will tell. And barring injury, he's going to be the starting QB the rest of the season.
It's the way with fans everywhere in the NFL. When things go south, it's fire the head coach asap. And if the QB is playing poorly, the most popular player on the roster is the backup QB. ?
I really don't think it's time to panic with Watson yet. I've seen all the shitty QB's that have come though here in the past 20 years and it's not time to panic yet.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Last year's stats have absolutely no weight in this conversation. For instance......if the Browns win the SB this year, none of the shit before matters.
We live in the here and now. We are playing THIS season, not last season.
Browns fans have been second guessing our trades and cuts for our entire history......Warfield for Phipps.....Mitchell for Davis......Len Dawson....and on it goes.
Some of you guys are really emotional over this debate, but fuck dudes, in the event Baker outperforms Watson long term, it isn't just Watson detractors here that are going to point fingers at the Browns apparr3nt fuck up.
Watson versus Baker is a valid debate. You may not like it, but is a valid debate.
My.concernis the continued, repeating problems that have been a staple since 1999.
We deserve better
Go fuck yourself asshole.
If you want to have a circle jerk about Baker Mayfield then go ahead. You Baker losers enjoy splooging all over each other.
It does zero good to talk about quarterbacks who no longer play for the team. Baker, Johnny, Tim Couch. Who cares. I care about the team we currently have.
Go fuck yourself asshole.
If you want yo have a circle jerk about Baker Mayfield then go ahead. You Baker losers enjoy splooging all over each other.
It does zero good to talk about quarterbacks who no longer play for the team. Baker, Johnny, Tim Couch. Who cares. I care about the team we currently have.
Now let's be fair Berinie. Yeah, there's a Baker cult here, but I think Ghoolie was being pretty even handed about the situation. What's done is done, and it doesn't do much good moaning about players who are no longer with the team. I even alluded to Jarvis Landry and Jabril Peppers in another thread. Hey, I still have a Jamie Gillan t-shirt.
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Regarding Watson's lousy play... Two games, and some folks are of the opinion he's going to totally suck the rest of the season. Maybe he will, and maybe he'll pull his head out of his ass and start playing like the Pro Bowl QB he was in Houston. Time will tell. And barring injury, he's going to be the starting QB the rest of the season.
It's the way with fans everywhere in the NFL. When things go south, it's fire the head coach asap. And if the QB is playing poorly, the most popular player on the roster is the backup QB. ?
I really don't think it's time to panic with Watson yet. I've seen all the shitty QB's that have come though here in the past 20 years and it's not time to panic yet.
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Regarding Watson's lousy play... Two games, and some folks are of the opinion he's going to totally suck the rest of the season. Maybe he will, and maybe he'll pull his head out of his ass and start playing like the Pro Bowl QB he was in Houston. Time will tell. And barring injury, he's going to be the starting QB the rest of the season.
It's the way with fans everywhere in the NFL. When things go south, it's fire the head coach asap. And if the QB is playing poorly, the most popular player on the roster is the backup QB. ?
I really don't think it's time to panic with Watson yet. I've seen all the shitty QB's that have come though here in the past 20 years and it's not time to panic yet.
I really don't think it's time to panic with Watson yet. I've seen all the shitty QB's that have come though here in the past 20 years and it's not time to panic yet.
He's played in 8 games and hasn't produced squat... Stop the excuses.. He's not what he used to be...
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He's played in 8 games and hasn't produced squat... Stop the excuses.. He's not what he used to be...
That may well be true. Exactly what Colin Cowturd said about him earlier today. MHO nickers is there's certainly good reason for concern- especially now that Watson had an entire 2023 off season to rectify his less than stellar last six games of 2022.
I'm not ready to throw him under the bus- YET. If he's still playing like crap the middle of November, I'll start buying into the POV that the Browns made a humongous mistake backing up the Brinks truck for Deshaun.
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Go fuck yourself asshole.
If you want yo have a circle jerk about Baker Mayfield then go ahead. You Baker losers enjoy splooging all over each other.
It does zero good to talk about quarterbacks who no longer play for the team. Baker, Johnny, Tim Couch. Who cares. I care about the team we currently have.
Now let's be fair Berinie. Yeah, there's a Baker cult here, but I think Ghoolie was being pretty even handed about the situation. What's done is done, and it doesn't do much good moaning about players who are no longer with the team. I even alluded to Jarvis Landry and Jabril Peppers in another thread. Hey, I still have a Jamie Gillan t-shirt.
Now let's be fair Berinie. Yeah, there's a Baker cult here, but I think Ghoolie was being pretty even handed about the situation. What's done is done, and it doesn't do much good moaning about players who are no longer with the team. I even alluded to Jarvis Landry and Jabril Peppers in another thread. Hey, I still have a Jamie Gillan t-shirt.
I hear you hoorta. Every time Baker wins a game you see the flood of Baker losers bringing him up. Baker's gone, it's over, and Browns fans need to move past it. It's been two seasons now. Let's focus on what we do have and support THIS team.
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Now let's be fair Berinie. Yeah, there's a Baker cult here, but I think Ghoolie was being pretty even handed about the situation. What's done is done, and it doesn't do much good moaning about players who are no longer with the team. I even alluded to Jarvis Landry and Jabril Peppers in another thread. Hey, I still have a Jamie Gillan t-shirt.
I hear you hoorta. Every time Baker wins a game you see the flood of Baker losers bringing him up. Baker's gone, it's over, and Browns fans need to move past it. It's been two seasons now. Let's focus on what we do have and support THIS team.
I hear you hoorta. Every time Baker wins a game you see the flood of Baker losers bringing him up. Baker's gone, it's over, and Browns fans need to move past it. It's been two seasons now. Let's focus on what we do have and support THIS team.
Sorry but every time Watson stinks up the joint and Baker does well.. Were gonna keep reminding people... Thats just how it goes...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
He's played in 8 games and hasn't produced squat... Stop the excuses.. He's not what he used to be...
That may well be true. Exactly what Colin Cowturd said about him earlier today. MHO nickers is there's certainly good reason for concern- especially now that Watson had an entire 2023 off season to rectify his less than stellar last six games of 2022.
I'm not ready to throw him under the bus- YET. If he's still playing like crap the middle of November, I'll start buying into the POV that the Browns made a humongous mistake backing up the Brinks truck for Deshaun.
That may well be true. Exactly what Colin Cowturd said about him earlier today. MHO nickers is there's certainly good reason for concern- especially now that Watson had an entire 2023 off season to rectify his less than stellar last six games of 2022.
I'm not ready to throw him under the bus- YET. If he's still playing like crap the middle of November, I'll start buying into the POV that the Browns made a humongous mistake backing up the Brinks truck for Deshaun.
Larry... I don't need to see till Nov to see this guy has lost it...
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I hear you hoorta. Every time Baker wins a game you see the flood of Baker losers bringing him up. Baker's gone, it's over, and Browns fans need to move past it. It's been two seasons now. Let's focus on what we do have and support THIS team.
Sorry but every time Watson stinks up the joint and Baker does well.. Were gonna keep reminding people... Thats just how it goes...
Sorry but every time Watson stinks up the joint and Baker does well.. Were gonna keep reminding people... Thats just how it goes...
Do whatever you want nickers. I'm not obsessing about a former #1 overall bust who no longer plays for the Browns. When Baker wins a Super Bowl, then you can brag.
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-I believe we’ve seen Watson’s floor. His timing is off and I don’t think he’s comfortable in Stefanski’s offense (yet). I’ve seen some splash throws that have me believing he can get close to the level he was at in previous years. I think his feet can be a weapon (when decides quickly and gets vertical). He left 30-40 yards on the field last night with Scrambles on Steeler jailbreak blitzes. The run and pass are part of his game- we don’t have pocket passing Drew Brees or Tom Brady here. I know some of you draw up your QB that way.
-If he doesn’t perform as well as expected it will be Stefanski’s fault. Expect him to be gone and the next HC will be tasked with finding a coach and play caller that can get the most out of Watson.
-Win/Lose/Draw there is probably a 75-80% chance Watson is the Browns QB going into 2024.
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Sorry but every time Watson stinks up the joint and Baker does well.. Were gonna keep reminding people... Thats just how it goes...
Do whatever you want nickers. I'm not obsessing about a former #1 overall bust who no longer plays for the Browns. When Baker wins a Super Bowl, then you can brag.
Do whatever you want nickers. I'm not obsessing about a former #1 overall bust who no longer plays for the Browns. When Baker wins a Super Bowl, then you can brag.
The odds of Baker being the "answer" in Tampa Bay are extremely long against him. I won't- and can't- dig up numbers, but IMHO I'd bet there's way less than 5 QB in NFL history who suddenly found long term success after 5 years of mediocrity in their first seasons. I'd suggest looking up (career wise) what happened to "Philly Special" Nick Foles after he won the Super Bowl. ?
Similarly, Baker had that one magical season- and I wouldn't count on him being able to repeat it.
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