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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Last year's stats have absolutely no weight in this conversation. For instance......if the Browns win the SB this year, none of the shit before matters.
We live in the here and now. We are playing THIS season, not last season.
Browns fans have been second guessing our trades and cuts for our entire history......Warfield for Phipps.....Mitchell for Davis......Len Dawson....and on it goes.
Some of you guys are really emotional over this debate, but fuck dudes, in the event Baker outperforms Watson long term, it isn't just Watson detractors here that are going to point fingers at the Browns apparr3nt fuck up.
Watson versus Baker is a valid debate. You may not like it, but is a valid debate.
My.concernis the continued, repeating problems that have been a staple since 1999.
We deserve better
Go fuck yourself asshole.
If you want to have a circle jerk about Baker Mayfield then go ahead. You Baker losers enjoy splooging all over each other.
It does zero good to talk about quarterbacks who no longer play for the team. Baker, Johnny, Tim Couch. Who cares. I care about the team we currently have.
Go fuck yourself asshole.
If you want yo have a circle jerk about Baker Mayfield then go ahead. You Baker losers enjoy splooging all over each other.
It does zero good to talk about quarterbacks who no longer play for the team. Baker, Johnny, Tim Couch. Who cares. I care about the team we currently have.
Now let's be fair Berinie. Yeah, there's a Baker cult here, but I think Ghoolie was being pretty even handed about the situation. What's done is done, and it doesn't do much good moaning about players who are no longer with the team. I even alluded to Jarvis Landry and Jabril Peppers in another thread. Hey, I still have a Jamie Gillan t-shirt.
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Regarding Watson's lousy play... Two games, and some folks are of the opinion he's going to totally suck the rest of the season. Maybe he will, and maybe he'll pull his head out of his ass and start playing like the Pro Bowl QB he was in Houston. Time will tell. And barring injury, he's going to be the starting QB the rest of the season.
It's the way with fans everywhere in the NFL. When things go south, it's fire the head coach asap. And if the QB is playing poorly, the most popular player on the roster is the backup QB. ?
I really don't think it's time to panic with Watson yet. I've seen all the shitty QB's that have come though here in the past 20 years and it's not time to panic yet.
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Regarding Watson's lousy play... Two games, and some folks are of the opinion he's going to totally suck the rest of the season. Maybe he will, and maybe he'll pull his head out of his ass and start playing like the Pro Bowl QB he was in Houston. Time will tell. And barring injury, he's going to be the starting QB the rest of the season.
It's the way with fans everywhere in the NFL. When things go south, it's fire the head coach asap. And if the QB is playing poorly, the most popular player on the roster is the backup QB. ?
I really don't think it's time to panic with Watson yet. I've seen all the shitty QB's that have come though here in the past 20 years and it's not time to panic yet.
I really don't think it's time to panic with Watson yet. I've seen all the shitty QB's that have come though here in the past 20 years and it's not time to panic yet.
He's played in 8 games and hasn't produced squat... Stop the excuses.. He's not what he used to be...
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He's played in 8 games and hasn't produced squat... Stop the excuses.. He's not what he used to be...
That may well be true. Exactly what Colin Cowturd said about him earlier today. MHO nickers is there's certainly good reason for concern- especially now that Watson had an entire 2023 off season to rectify his less than stellar last six games of 2022.
I'm not ready to throw him under the bus- YET. If he's still playing like crap the middle of November, I'll start buying into the POV that the Browns made a humongous mistake backing up the Brinks truck for Deshaun.
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Go fuck yourself asshole.
If you want yo have a circle jerk about Baker Mayfield then go ahead. You Baker losers enjoy splooging all over each other.
It does zero good to talk about quarterbacks who no longer play for the team. Baker, Johnny, Tim Couch. Who cares. I care about the team we currently have.
Now let's be fair Berinie. Yeah, there's a Baker cult here, but I think Ghoolie was being pretty even handed about the situation. What's done is done, and it doesn't do much good moaning about players who are no longer with the team. I even alluded to Jarvis Landry and Jabril Peppers in another thread. Hey, I still have a Jamie Gillan t-shirt.
Now let's be fair Berinie. Yeah, there's a Baker cult here, but I think Ghoolie was being pretty even handed about the situation. What's done is done, and it doesn't do much good moaning about players who are no longer with the team. I even alluded to Jarvis Landry and Jabril Peppers in another thread. Hey, I still have a Jamie Gillan t-shirt.
I hear you hoorta. Every time Baker wins a game you see the flood of Baker losers bringing him up. Baker's gone, it's over, and Browns fans need to move past it. It's been two seasons now. Let's focus on what we do have and support THIS team.
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Now let's be fair Berinie. Yeah, there's a Baker cult here, but I think Ghoolie was being pretty even handed about the situation. What's done is done, and it doesn't do much good moaning about players who are no longer with the team. I even alluded to Jarvis Landry and Jabril Peppers in another thread. Hey, I still have a Jamie Gillan t-shirt.
I hear you hoorta. Every time Baker wins a game you see the flood of Baker losers bringing him up. Baker's gone, it's over, and Browns fans need to move past it. It's been two seasons now. Let's focus on what we do have and support THIS team.
I hear you hoorta. Every time Baker wins a game you see the flood of Baker losers bringing him up. Baker's gone, it's over, and Browns fans need to move past it. It's been two seasons now. Let's focus on what we do have and support THIS team.
Sorry but every time Watson stinks up the joint and Baker does well.. Were gonna keep reminding people... Thats just how it goes...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
He's played in 8 games and hasn't produced squat... Stop the excuses.. He's not what he used to be...
That may well be true. Exactly what Colin Cowturd said about him earlier today. MHO nickers is there's certainly good reason for concern- especially now that Watson had an entire 2023 off season to rectify his less than stellar last six games of 2022.
I'm not ready to throw him under the bus- YET. If he's still playing like crap the middle of November, I'll start buying into the POV that the Browns made a humongous mistake backing up the Brinks truck for Deshaun.
That may well be true. Exactly what Colin Cowturd said about him earlier today. MHO nickers is there's certainly good reason for concern- especially now that Watson had an entire 2023 off season to rectify his less than stellar last six games of 2022.
I'm not ready to throw him under the bus- YET. If he's still playing like crap the middle of November, I'll start buying into the POV that the Browns made a humongous mistake backing up the Brinks truck for Deshaun.
Larry... I don't need to see till Nov to see this guy has lost it...
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I hear you hoorta. Every time Baker wins a game you see the flood of Baker losers bringing him up. Baker's gone, it's over, and Browns fans need to move past it. It's been two seasons now. Let's focus on what we do have and support THIS team.
Sorry but every time Watson stinks up the joint and Baker does well.. Were gonna keep reminding people... Thats just how it goes...
Sorry but every time Watson stinks up the joint and Baker does well.. Were gonna keep reminding people... Thats just how it goes...
Do whatever you want nickers. I'm not obsessing about a former #1 overall bust who no longer plays for the Browns. When Baker wins a Super Bowl, then you can brag.
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-I believe we’ve seen Watson’s floor. His timing is off and I don’t think he’s comfortable in Stefanski’s offense (yet). I’ve seen some splash throws that have me believing he can get close to the level he was at in previous years. I think his feet can be a weapon (when decides quickly and gets vertical). He left 30-40 yards on the field last night with Scrambles on Steeler jailbreak blitzes. The run and pass are part of his game- we don’t have pocket passing Drew Brees or Tom Brady here. I know some of you draw up your QB that way.
-If he doesn’t perform as well as expected it will be Stefanski’s fault. Expect him to be gone and the next HC will be tasked with finding a coach and play caller that can get the most out of Watson.
-Win/Lose/Draw there is probably a 75-80% chance Watson is the Browns QB going into 2024.
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Sorry but every time Watson stinks up the joint and Baker does well.. Were gonna keep reminding people... Thats just how it goes...
Do whatever you want nickers. I'm not obsessing about a former #1 overall bust who no longer plays for the Browns. When Baker wins a Super Bowl, then you can brag.
Do whatever you want nickers. I'm not obsessing about a former #1 overall bust who no longer plays for the Browns. When Baker wins a Super Bowl, then you can brag.
The odds of Baker being the "answer" in Tampa Bay are extremely long against him. I won't- and can't- dig up numbers, but IMHO I'd bet there's way less than 5 QB in NFL history who suddenly found long term success after 5 years of mediocrity in their first seasons. I'd suggest looking up (career wise) what happened to "Philly Special" Nick Foles after he won the Super Bowl. ?
Similarly, Baker had that one magical season- and I wouldn't count on him being able to repeat it.
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All I have heard from most fans, the local media, and plenty of posters on this board, is how Watson is an elite qb, top 5 in the NFL, BLAH BLAH BLAH....For those of you who still believe that, in the 8 games he's played, please give me one example...an offensive series.... that would even suggest that he has that potential.
They can't. It doesn't exist. The Texans knew what they had in him and it wasn't elite by any stretch of the imagination . You don't let an elite, franchise QB (another laughable attribute I've heard) go. They packaged him as a misunderstood victim targeted by some sirens who loved him up and turnt him into a horny toad,put a bow on him and sent him on his way. And who fell for it? The absolute dumbest most incompetent owner and front office in league history. The ONLY thing elevated since Watson's arrival is his bank account.
They can't. It doesn't exist. The Texans knew what they had in him and it wasn't elite by any stretch of the imagination . You don't let an elite, franchise QB (another laughable attribute I've heard) go. They packaged him as a misunderstood victim targeted by some sirens who loved him up and turnt him into a horny toad,put a bow on him and sent him on his way. And who fell for it? The absolute dumbest most incompetent owner and front office in league history. The ONLY thing elevated since Watson's arrival is his bank account.
And maybe a towel or 2. You gotta laugh
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I hope he’s their QB for the next decade.
He won’t be. They won’t put up with incompetence like the Browns do.
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It's not just about missed passes, he looked lost every time he scrambled and when it looked like he was about to run for a first down he made an awkward throw into the ground. Just wondering, knowing Pittsburgh with Watt will be in our backfield all day, did anyone see a game plan for that? Something like a quick check down, screens, anything?
Those passes to the sidelines, I'm hoping that's something they've been working on and they just need to dial it in.
I'm still holding out Watson gets in his groove, but he's just not looking good right now.
As far as Baker goes, a lot of fans have every right to be upset. Watson wasn't only given the Kings ransom, we gave away 1st round picks. He damn well better prove his worth and if people doubt him they have every right and so far they have good reason. We have to sit here and wait for Watson to catch on even though he's been in the league and played at a high level for how long?? Yet maybe Baker just needed some time and he not only had that shoulder injury he should have been benched for, he had drama he had to deal with. Replacing a decent qb that had potential with a qb that's proven but has his own drama and been out for a while that came with a steep price tag is worth debating. How can you not question this move? I personally moved on as we deal with what we have. Though tell me no one is at least interested in seeing what dtr can do(it's Browns tradition after all to keep rotating QBs). That's Watsons fault this time, he needs to play better and I hope he does.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
I used to spend a lot of time torching immature imbeciles. But I can see you are miserable enough by yourself, so I will leave you to it. However since you open the topic it actually does no good to talk about the Browns at all for there is nothing you can do whether you talk about the past or the present. There is no set of requirements that people have to follow to enjoy the Browns. There are plenty of people, thousands in fact who find the comparison of Baker Mayfield and DeShaun Watson an interesting topic to discuss. You're accusing me of being a baker lover shows just how emotional and childish you are. Nowhere in my conversation did I Pine for Baker Mayfield.
That this topic raises your ire so much pretty much illuminates the fact that it is also bothering you that Baker Mayfield is doing better than DeShaun Watson. Now go clean your room.
Lol I always say "I love miserable people", they always make me laugh.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
I used to spend a lot of time torching immature imbeciles. But I can see you are miserable enough by yourself, so I will leave you to it. However since you opened the topic, it actually does no good to talk about the Browns at all for there is nothing you can do whether you talk about the past or the present. There is no set of requirements that people have to follow to enjoy the Browns. There are plenty of people, thousands in fact, who find the comparison of Baker Mayfield and DeShaun Watson an interesting topic to discuss. Your accusing me of being a Baker lover shows just how emotional and childish you are. Nowhere in my conversation did I pine for Baker Mayfield. I don't even like the guy.
That this topic raises your ire so much pretty much illuminates the fact that it is also bothering you that Baker Mayfield is doing better than DeShaun Watson. Now go clean your room.
Again, go fuck yourself asshole.
You and anyone else clinging to Baker Mayfield can go be Tampa Bay fans. I want the Browns to win and that's it. I could care less what Baker does or any comparisons, you fucktards keep bringing it up like some scorned lover.
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Here's something I've been thinking about for a while, and the morning guys on 92.3 touched on...
I think Stefanski has no business trying to build an offense for Watson, let me preface this with that.... that saying:
I've been wondering since the Browns announced they signed Watson how he was going to deal with being "the bad guy". The guy who is hated in every stadium he goes to. The guy who has to wear the proverbial black hat. Most people can't do it. Most people want to be liked. Watson, prior to all the accusations, was a very well-liked player at Clemson and for most his time in Houston. Other fanbases might not have "liked" him per se, he was an opposing team's QB, but he was respected as a very good QB and wasn't hated. Now, he's hated everywhere. Hell, there's a good portion of his own (Browns) fanbase who hates him. LeBron talked about how he struggled being the bad guy in Miami, and had to move on from that role because he's not built to be that guy.
I think the hate (which I've never argued isn't warranted) is weighing on him. He's not Ben Roethlisber, who probably is a sociopath, who can smile and tell everyone he found Jesus and play at a Pro-Bowl level right after locking some chick in a bar bathroom with him.
Its another reason why I have some doubts he's going to turn back into 2018-2022 Watson anytime soon, if ever, here.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
I used to spend a lot of time torching immature imbeciles. But I can see you are miserable enough by yourself, so I will leave you to it. However since you opened the topic, it actually does no good to talk about the Browns at all for there is nothing you can do whether you talk about the past or the present. There is no set of requirements that people have to follow to enjoy the Browns. There are plenty of people, thousands in fact, who find the comparison of Baker Mayfield and DeShaun Watson an interesting topic to discuss. Your accusing me of being a Baker lover shows just how emotional and childish you are. Nowhere in my conversation did I pine for Baker Mayfield. I don't even like the guy.
That this topic raises your ire so much pretty much illuminates the fact that it is also bothering you that Baker Mayfield is doing better than DeShaun Watson. Now go clean your room.
Again, go fuck yourself asshole.
You and anyone else clinging to Baker Mayfield can go be Tampa Bay fans. I want the Browns to win and that's it. I could care less what Baker does or any comparisons, you fucktards keep bringing it up like some scorned lover.
Again, go fuck yourself asshole.
You and anyone else clinging to Baker Mayfield can go be Tampa Bay fans. I want the Browns to win and that's it. I could care less what Baker does or any comparisons, you fucktards keep bringing it up like some scorned lover.
Bernie, as hoorta mentioned earlier, you are mistaking what he is saying. He actually isn't one of the Baker guys.
I can give you a short list of guys on here who I'm pretty convinced are envious of the random skank who was giving Baker blowies in the Cheesecake Factory parking lot months after he got married, but this isn't one of them.
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You forgot one:
He turned a 60 minute football game into a 23 hour nightmare that's still going...
Its the gift that keeps on giving... like the football version of the Jelly of the Month Club!
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