The 2023 season film studies. Thread of questions and answers.
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I'll be online early this evening, around 5:30p EST, going over film from the Niners-Steelers week 1, and how that translated to our offensive designs against PIT in week 2. I'll also be charting more snaps, trying to get grades locked in and done.
Tomorrow for the Giants - Niners, I'll be home relaxing. If anyone would like to join and use this as the de' facto Browns Board Tavern, you are more than welcomed to. I'll be on this evening and next. Remember, bullshit will not be tolerated despite only being lightly admin'd.
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I'm curious what happened on that 71 TD pass to Pickens, @tiamat63
The defense seems to be on the same page, the confusion at a minimum, but that play sure felt like a breakdown of either communication or someone wasn't on the same page.
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I'm curious what happened on that 71 TD pass to Pickens, @tiamat63
The defense seems to be on the same page, the confusion at a minimum, but that play sure felt like a breakdown of either communication or someone wasn't on the same page.
I'm curious what happened on that 71 TD pass to Pickens, @tiamat63
The defense seems to be on the same page, the confusion at a minimum, but that play sure felt like a breakdown of either communication or someone wasn't on the same page.
Was working on it as you typed. I'll also tag @flugel because he and I were just talking about Delpit being improved.. Tagging @bjh2130 since he asked me on discord.
Grant closed out 2022 fairly strong. But the INT's he had, especially the two against WSH, we're gimmies. He does great work as a nickel and dime safety and as the classic "box" roll. He has his entire young career, dating back to LSU. Great tackler, willing to be aggressive on run fits and he does a good job planting and triggering downhill. But my concerns about him as a hash safety are still there, he loses himself on the field in terms of leverage and depth. And has a severe tendency to get caught looking and driving in front of him as deep routes develop behind him. As a pure middle field safety right now, he's a bit of a liability. And the TD is just another example to those concerns.
Schwartz dials up a cover 3 flavor.
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You get a go/flat weak and a drag/race post at the top.
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THIS is exactly the moment Delpit gets in trouble, because he takes for granted that it doesn't take much, even for Kenny Pickett who was having an awful night, to snatch back any moment you might have. He got one pick earlier, and this was his eyes WIDE on the cheese looking for deuce.
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Grant looks back and realizes he's been absolutely TOOK.
He's still working on being a complete DB. Yes, at the fast eye he appears improved. But when we dig deeper, what we find is that his strengths are being amplified while you have a DC working to mask his weaknesses. Schwartz is good at letting Grant play aggressive downhill and in man coverage, which is why we've gotten the 'good' so far. But this is the other side of the coin. Problem with this is, if I've seen it, professional coaches and assistants are going to see it. The Titans might not have the Oline and players to do it, but the Ravens and Niners are on deck afterward. So I'm going to treat this sort of like basketball in a respect. I'm going to use pre-snap motion on offense, much like a pick and roll, until I force safety rotation and I get Delpit as the single high. Then I'm going to run concepts that will test his willingness to play intelligently before aggressively. Let's say we get lucky and the Ravens passing game isn't quite where they feel it needs to be, I sure as fuck can guarantee you that Kyle Shanahan will have an absolute field day off of this vulnerability in 3 weeks.
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I'm still curious about our pass routes. Does Watson actually have anyone he can throw the ball to when he drops back to pass?
I know that at the end of last game he was looking for someone to tackle him...but that's because the Steelers could pin their ears back...and they're good at that...and we've got a rookie RT.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
I'm still curious about our pass routes. Does Watson actually have anyone he can throw the ball to when he drops back to pass?
I know that at the end of last game he was looking for someone to tackle him...but that's because the Steelers could pin their ears back...and they're good at that...and we've got a rookie RT.
I'm still curious about our pass routes. Does Watson actually have anyone he can throw the ball to when he drops back to pass?
I know that at the end of last game he was looking for someone to tackle him...but that's because the Steelers could pin their ears back...and they're good at that...and we've got a rookie RT.
Stefanski's pass offense baffles me.
What the hell are they doing with Elijah Moore? A smaller, super quick WR who for some reason was relegated to running 12 yard out patterns all night long. God forbid we actually run routes where a receiver catches the ball moving forward.
Dump passes at the LOS and out routes, with the occasional telegraphed deep pass.
Just watch film of what the Texans did between 2018-2020, Kevin.
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I'm still curious about our pass routes. Does Watson actually have anyone he can throw the ball to when he drops back to pass?
I know that at the end of last game he was looking for someone to tackle him...but that's because the Steelers could pin their ears back...and they're good at that...and we've got a rookie RT.
Stefanski's pass offense baffles me.
What the hell are they doing with Elijah Moore? A smaller, super quick WR who for some reason was relegated to running 12 yard out patterns all night long. God forbid we actually run routes where a receiver catches the ball moving forward.
Dump passes at the LOS and out routes, with the occasional telegraphed deep pass.
Just watch film of what the Texans did between 2018-2020, Kevin.
Stefanski's pass offense baffles me.
Just watch film of what the Texans did between 2018-2020, Kevin.
Oh, but it's much more fun to fit square pegs into round holes.?
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I'm still curious about our pass routes. Does Watson actually have anyone he can throw the ball to when he drops back to pass?
I know that at the end of last game he was looking for someone to tackle him...but that's because the Steelers could pin their ears back...and they're good at that...and we've got a rookie RT.
I'm still curious about our pass routes. Does Watson actually have anyone he can throw the ball to when he drops back to pass?
I know that at the end of last game he was looking for someone to tackle him...but that's because the Steelers could pin their ears back...and they're good at that...and we've got a rookie RT.
Aside from that, our Left Tackle was dominated all night long. @tiamat63 can show countless examples of this. When both tackles are getting beat that bad, that often, you're gonna look like Joe Burrow did week 1 or Watson did week 2.
I said all week to a lot of people that already had the Browns 2-0, we better have a plan for TJ Watt while I said all off-season I was worried about LT. Maybe it's only a coincidence, but the 2 guys lined up over our LT and RT both scored TDs. The one Watt scored on - Highsmith caused that fumble. We might want to consider blocking those 2 guys next time.
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I'm still curious about our pass routes. Does Watson actually have anyone he can throw the ball to when he drops back to pass?
I know that at the end of last game he was looking for someone to tackle him...but that's because the Steelers could pin their ears back...and they're good at that...and we've got a rookie RT.
Aside from that, our Left Tackle was dominated all night long. @tiamat63 can show countless examples of this. When both tackles are getting beat that bad, that often, you're gonna look like Joe Burrow did week 1 or Watson did week 2.
I said all week to a lot of people that already had the Browns 2-0, we better have a plan for TJ Watt while I said all off-season I was worried about LT. Maybe it's only a coincidence, but the 2 guys lined up over our LT and RT both scored TDs. The one Watt scored on - Highsmith caused that fumble. We might want to consider blocking those 2 guys next time.
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lol...yeah, we should give that a little consideration.
? Thanks for the laugh and knowing I needed it!
While it seems obvious Watson isn't the player he was in Houston - the situation on both edges has to get better or it isn't going to matter who is playing QB. If you see the play Highsmith comes unblocked from the blind side with TJ Watt just as unblocked by Dawand Jones - it almost looked like a perfectly rehearsed strip and fumble recovery for the TD.
As bad as Watson was - even the slightest bit of help upfront might have prevented a 4 point loss.
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lol...yeah, we should give that a little consideration.
? Thanks for the laugh and knowing I needed it!
While it seems obvious Watson isn't the player he was in Houston - the situation on both edges has to get better or it isn't going to matter who is playing QB. If you see the play Highsmith comes unblocked from the blind side with TJ Watt just as unblocked by Dawand Jones - it almost looked like a perfectly rehearsed strip and fumble recovery for the TD.
As bad as Watson was - even the slightest bit of help upfront might have prevented a 4 point loss.
? Thanks for the laugh and knowing I needed it!
While it seems obvious Watson isn't the player he was in Houston - the situation on both edges has to get better or it isn't going to matter who is playing QB. If you see the play Highsmith comes unblocked from the blind side with TJ Watt just as unblocked by Dawand Jones - it almost looked like a perfectly rehearsed strip and fumble recovery for the TD.
As bad as Watson was - even the slightest bit of help upfront might have prevented a 4 point loss.
That's the crazy thing Flugs... the Browns lost by four.
Felt like forty, but it was one drive.
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? Thanks for the laugh and knowing I needed it!
While it seems obvious Watson isn't the player he was in Houston - the situation on both edges has to get better or it isn't going to matter who is playing QB. If you see the play Highsmith comes unblocked from the blind side with TJ Watt just as unblocked by Dawand Jones - it almost looked like a perfectly rehearsed strip and fumble recovery for the TD.
As bad as Watson was - even the slightest bit of help upfront might have prevented a 4 point loss.
That's the crazy thing Flugs... the Browns lost by four.
Felt like forty, but it was one drive.
That's the crazy thing Flugs... the Browns lost by four.
Felt like forty, but it was one drive.
I hear ya! If Cleveland's offense kept Pittsburgh's defense from scoring 2 TDs on them - they would have won by 10 points. Philosophically speaking, it sounds outrageous...
This game was a lot like Buffalo losing to the Jets because of all Josh Allen's turnovers on a night backup QB Zach Wilson struggled to move the Jets' offense with any consistency. Buffalo bounced back and won the next week.
In a league where adversity defines teams over a 17 game season - how will THIS team respond?
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I'm still curious about our pass routes. Does Watson actually have anyone he can throw the ball to when he drops back to pass?
I know that at the end of last game he was looking for someone to tackle him...but that's because the Steelers could pin their ears back...and they're good at that...and we've got a rookie RT.
I'm still curious about our pass routes. Does Watson actually have anyone he can throw the ball to when he drops back to pass?
I know that at the end of last game he was looking for someone to tackle him...but that's because the Steelers could pin their ears back...and they're good at that...and we've got a rookie RT.
Someone last year, it might have been you or someone else, made a point I haven't forgotten. The point was Paul Depodesta isn't interested in short passes - he wants a vertical game. That can work really well when you have an Art Shell at LT and a Gene Upshaw at LG on the blindside of QB. The Browns didn't look like they had an Art Shell on Monday Night so? They might want to have their WRs understanding how to help a QB under duress in the pocket like Houston did when Watson took his team to the playoffs in both of his 1st 2 seasons while also making the Pro Bowl.
What's changed? The guy in charge of the Offense that Paul Depodesta wants in Cleveland. There doesn't seem to be a playbook that includes all of the receiving routes in the passing routes tree. Why would this be important? Timing and chemistry anyone? The Cleveland Browns say "no thanks" while the Pittsburgh Steelers said "many thanks!" When the QB is flushed to his left - a lot of the receiving help was either too deep or too far out of his vision headed toward the hashes on the right side of the field and beyond. Make sense? It shouldn't!
There is no 6'5" Mike Evans in this passing game that was capable of getting a party animal like Johnny Blutarsky-Manziel a Heisman Trophy or making Baker feel like he's finally blessed with the right situation for success. Regardless of where anyone stands, the problems with the offense haven't changed since Haslam arrived. The choice of QBs has only been 50% of the problem. The empowered Management has Paul Depodesta holding the offense hostage to a very obligated HC knowing he was Front Office Depo's guy. So, here we are.
It's sad because our defense also has to hear the old "we just gotta work harder." They're paid extremely well to be professiona1 so how about "We, from the top down, have to start working smarter." Start with a competent plan so our Receivers actually know what is expected of them in every given situation while the QB is on the same page. No evidence.
While this is already getting outdated to the frequency of shot-gun snaps - the old 3 step drop had a route tree of throws to be made within that allotted time of drop back. That's how timing and chemistry is born. It has to be allowed and enabled though. There was also the intermediate stuff from a 5 step drop with applicable pass routes that fit the amount of time of the drop-back so the release takes place on the 5th step plant and fire. Then the 7th drop with our 2 out of shape Offensive Tackles not getting our of their stances on time wouldn't work anyway with our lazy edges. All that said, the shot gun formations are supposed to improve the QB's vision and peripheral vision of the defense and where he anticipates ideal opportunities for the pre-determined routes and/or the possible route adjustments. It just hasn't helped any timing and chemistry thus far. This stuff is in the film rooms of the rest of our opponents. Even worse, the amount of resources and draft picks given up to acquire Watson are currently preventing us from addressing a major weakness at Left Tackle while our RT just got welcomed to the NFL... Gotta get out of your stance on every play in this league...
The more things change - the more they stay the same here. This FO didn't bring us the Pro Bowl/Playoff bound QB Houston had - they're giving you the version this FO envisioned for success. Today, he's more confused just like our Receivers looked... Working harder under those circumstances is like someone with all the wrong mechanics just playing more golf without ever identifying the problem that needs fixing. We're back to the same "gotta work harder" we heard when this team only won 1 out of 32 games. My advice? Send Paul Depodesta packing today. See if Stefanski and Offensive Coaches can resolve this shit without his major interference. Does Haslam have the balls?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I'm still curious about our pass routes. Does Watson actually have anyone he can throw the ball to when he drops back to pass?
I know that at the end of last game he was looking for someone to tackle him...but that's because the Steelers could pin their ears back...and they're good at that...and we've got a rookie RT.
Someone last year, it might have been you or someone else, made a point I haven't forgotten. The point was Paul Depodesta isn't interested in short passes - he wants a vertical game. That can work really well when you have an Art Shell at LT and a Gene Upshaw at LG on the blindside of QB. The Browns didn't look like they had an Art Shell on Monday Night so? They might want to have their WRs understanding how to help a QB under duress in the pocket like Houston did when Watson took his team to the playoffs in both of his 1st 2 seasons while also making the Pro Bowl.
What's changed? The guy in charge of the Offense that Paul Depodesta wants in Cleveland. There doesn't seem to be a playbook that includes all of the receiving routes in the passing routes tree. Why would this be important? Timing and chemistry anyone? The Cleveland Browns say "no thanks" while the Pittsburgh Steelers said "many thanks!" When the QB is flushed to his left - a lot of the receiving help was either too deep or too far out of his vision headed toward the hashes on the right side of the field and beyond. Make sense? It shouldn't!
There is no 6'5" Mike Evans in this passing game that was capable of getting a party animal like Johnny Blutarsky-Manziel a Heisman Trophy or making Baker feel like he's finally blessed with the right situation for success. Regardless of where anyone stands, the problems with the offense haven't changed since Haslam arrived. The choice of QBs has only been 50% of the problem. The empowered Management has Paul Depodesta holding the offense hostage to a very obligated HC knowing he was Front Office Depo's guy. So, here we are.
It's sad because our defense also has to hear the old "we just gotta work harder." They're paid extremely well to be professiona1 so how about "We, from the top down, have to start working smarter." Start with a competent plan so our Receivers actually know what is expected of them in every given situation while the QB is on the same page. No evidence.
While this is already getting outdated to the frequency of shot-gun snaps - the old 3 step drop had a route tree of throws to be made within that allotted time of drop back. That's how timing and chemistry is born. It has to be allowed and enabled though. There was also the intermediate stuff from a 5 step drop with applicable pass routes that fit the amount of time of the drop-back so the release takes place on the 5th step plant and fire. Then the 7th drop with our 2 out of shape Offensive Tackles not getting our of their stances on time wouldn't work anyway with our lazy edges. All that said, the shot gun formations are supposed to improve the QB's vision and peripheral vision of the defense and where he anticipates ideal opportunities for the pre-determined routes and/or the possible route adjustments. It just hasn't helped any timing and chemistry thus far. This stuff is in the film rooms of the rest of our opponents. Even worse, the amount of resources and draft picks given up to acquire Watson are currently preventing us from addressing a major weakness at Left Tackle while our RT just got welcomed to the NFL... Gotta get out of your stance on every play in this league...
The more things change - the more they stay the same here. This FO didn't bring us the Pro Bowl/Playoff bound QB Houston had - they're giving you the version this FO envisioned for success. Today, he's more confused just like our Receivers looked... Working harder under those circumstances is like someone with all the wrong mechanics just playing more golf without ever identifying the problem that needs fixing. We're back to the same "gotta work harder" we heard when this team only won 1 out of 32 games. My advice? Send Paul Depodesta packing today. See if Stefanski and Offensive Coaches can resolve this shit without his major interference. Does Haslam have the balls?
Send Paul Depodesta packing today. See if Stefanski and Offensive Coaches can resolve this shit without his major interference. Does Haslam have the balls?
Nothing worse than a questionable baseball guy being a total dufus as a football wannabe guy. Adios Albatross.
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I'm still curious about our pass routes. Does Watson actually have anyone he can throw the ball to when he drops back to pass?
I know that at the end of last game he was looking for someone to tackle him...but that's because the Steelers could pin their ears back...and they're good at that...and we've got a rookie RT.
Someone last year, it might have been you or someone else, made a point I haven't forgotten. The point was Paul Depodesta isn't interested in short passes - he wants a vertical game. That can work really well when you have an Art Shell at LT and a Gene Upshaw at LG on the blindside of QB. The Browns didn't look like they had an Art Shell on Monday Night so? They might want to have their WRs understanding how to help a QB under duress in the pocket like Houston did when Watson took his team to the playoffs in both of his 1st 2 seasons while also making the Pro Bowl.
What's changed? The guy in charge of the Offense that Paul Depodesta wants in Cleveland. There doesn't seem to be a playbook that includes all of the receiving routes in the passing routes tree. Why would this be important? Timing and chemistry anyone? The Cleveland Browns say "no thanks" while the Pittsburgh Steelers said "many thanks!" When the QB is flushed to his left - a lot of the receiving help was either too deep or too far out of his vision headed toward the hashes on the right side of the field and beyond. Make sense? It shouldn't!
There is no 6'5" Mike Evans in this passing game that was capable of getting a party animal like Johnny Blutarsky-Manziel a Heisman Trophy or making Baker feel like he's finally blessed with the right situation for success. Regardless of where anyone stands, the problems with the offense haven't changed since Haslam arrived. The choice of QBs has only been 50% of the problem. The empowered Management has Paul Depodesta holding the offense hostage to a very obligated HC knowing he was Front Office Depo's guy. So, here we are.
It's sad because our defense also has to hear the old "we just gotta work harder." They're paid extremely well to be professiona1 so how about "We, from the top down, have to start working smarter." Start with a competent plan so our Receivers actually know what is expected of them in every given situation while the QB is on the same page. No evidence.
While this is already getting outdated to the frequency of shot-gun snaps - the old 3 step drop had a route tree of throws to be made within that allotted time of drop back. That's how timing and chemistry is born. It has to be allowed and enabled though. There was also the intermediate stuff from a 5 step drop with applicable pass routes that fit the amount of time of the drop-back so the release takes place on the 5th step plant and fire. Then the 7th drop with our 2 out of shape Offensive Tackles not getting our of their stances on time wouldn't work anyway with our lazy edges. All that said, the shot gun formations are supposed to improve the QB's vision and peripheral vision of the defense and where he anticipates ideal opportunities for the pre-determined routes and/or the possible route adjustments. It just hasn't helped any timing and chemistry thus far. This stuff is in the film rooms of the rest of our opponents. Even worse, the amount of resources and draft picks given up to acquire Watson are currently preventing us from addressing a major weakness at Left Tackle while our RT just got welcomed to the NFL... Gotta get out of your stance on every play in this league...
The more things change - the more they stay the same here. This FO didn't bring us the Pro Bowl/Playoff bound QB Houston had - they're giving you the version this FO envisioned for success. Today, he's more confused just like our Receivers looked... Working harder under those circumstances is like someone with all the wrong mechanics just playing more golf without ever identifying the problem that needs fixing. We're back to the same "gotta work harder" we heard when this team only won 1 out of 32 games. My advice? Send Paul Depodesta packing today. See if Stefanski and Offensive Coaches can resolve this shit without his major interference. Does Haslam have the balls?
Someone last year, it might have been you or someone else, made a point I haven't forgotten. The point was Paul Depodesta isn't interested in short passes - he wants a vertical game. That can work really well when you have an Art Shell at LT and a Gene Upshaw at LG on the blindside of QB. The Browns didn't look like they had an Art Shell on Monday Night so? They might want to have their WRs understanding how to help a QB under duress in the pocket like Houston did when Watson took his team to the playoffs in both of his 1st 2 seasons while also making the Pro Bowl.
What's changed? The guy in charge of the Offense that Paul Depodesta wants in Cleveland. There doesn't seem to be a playbook that includes all of the receiving routes in the passing routes tree. Why would this be important? Timing and chemistry anyone? The Cleveland Browns say "no thanks" while the Pittsburgh Steelers said "many thanks!" When the QB is flushed to his left - a lot of the receiving help was either too deep or too far out of his vision headed toward the hashes on the right side of the field and beyond. Make sense? It shouldn't!
There is no 6'5" Mike Evans in this passing game that was capable of getting a party animal like Johnny Blutarsky-Manziel a Heisman Trophy or making Baker feel like he's finally blessed with the right situation for success. Regardless of where anyone stands, the problems with the offense haven't changed since Haslam arrived. The choice of QBs has only been 50% of the problem. The empowered Management has Paul Depodesta holding the offense hostage to a very obligated HC knowing he was Front Office Depo's guy. So, here we are.
It's sad because our defense also has to hear the old "we just gotta work harder." They're paid extremely well to be professiona1 so how about "We, from the top down, have to start working smarter." Start with a competent plan so our Receivers actually know what is expected of them in every given situation while the QB is on the same page. No evidence.
While this is already getting outdated to the frequency of shot-gun snaps - the old 3 step drop had a route tree of throws to be made within that allotted time of drop back. That's how timing and chemistry is born. It has to be allowed and enabled though. There was also the intermediate stuff from a 5 step drop with applicable pass routes that fit the amount of time of the drop-back so the release takes place on the 5th step plant and fire. Then the 7th drop with our 2 out of shape Offensive Tackles not getting our of their stances on time wouldn't work anyway with our lazy edges. All that said, the shot gun formations are supposed to improve the QB's vision and peripheral vision of the defense and where he anticipates ideal opportunities for the pre-determined routes and/or the possible route adjustments. It just hasn't helped any timing and chemistry thus far. This stuff is in the film rooms of the rest of our opponents. Even worse, the amount of resources and draft picks given up to acquire Watson are currently preventing us from addressing a major weakness at Left Tackle while our RT just got welcomed to the NFL... Gotta get out of your stance on every play in this league...
The more things change - the more they stay the same here. This FO didn't bring us the Pro Bowl/Playoff bound QB Houston had - they're giving you the version this FO envisioned for success. Today, he's more confused just like our Receivers looked... Working harder under those circumstances is like someone with all the wrong mechanics just playing more golf without ever identifying the problem that needs fixing. We're back to the same "gotta work harder" we heard when this team only won 1 out of 32 games. My advice? Send Paul Depodesta packing today. See if Stefanski and Offensive Coaches can resolve this shit without his major interference. Does Haslam have the balls?
No , Haslam is chicken shit charley
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I'm still curious about our pass routes. Does Watson actually have anyone he can throw the ball to when he drops back to pass?
I know that at the end of last game he was looking for someone to tackle him...but that's because the Steelers could pin their ears back...and they're good at that...and we've got a rookie RT.
Someone last year, it might have been you or someone else, made a point I haven't forgotten. The point was Paul Depodesta isn't interested in short passes - he wants a vertical game. That can work really well when you have an Art Shell at LT and a Gene Upshaw at LG on the blindside of QB. The Browns didn't look like they had an Art Shell on Monday Night so? They might want to have their WRs understanding how to help a QB under duress in the pocket like Houston did when Watson took his team to the playoffs in both of his 1st 2 seasons while also making the Pro Bowl.
What's changed? The guy in charge of the Offense that Paul Depodesta wants in Cleveland. There doesn't seem to be a playbook that includes all of the receiving routes in the passing routes tree. Why would this be important? Timing and chemistry anyone? The Cleveland Browns say "no thanks" while the Pittsburgh Steelers said "many thanks!" When the QB is flushed to his left - a lot of the receiving help was either too deep or too far out of his vision headed toward the hashes on the right side of the field and beyond. Make sense? It shouldn't!
There is no 6'5" Mike Evans in this passing game that was capable of getting a party animal like Johnny Blutarsky-Manziel a Heisman Trophy or making Baker feel like he's finally blessed with the right situation for success. Regardless of where anyone stands, the problems with the offense haven't changed since Haslam arrived. The choice of QBs has only been 50% of the problem. The empowered Management has Paul Depodesta holding the offense hostage to a very obligated HC knowing he was Front Office Depo's guy. So, here we are.
It's sad because our defense also has to hear the old "we just gotta work harder." They're paid extremely well to be professiona1 so how about "We, from the top down, have to start working smarter." Start with a competent plan so our Receivers actually know what is expected of them in every given situation while the QB is on the same page. No evidence.
While this is already getting outdated to the frequency of shot-gun snaps - the old 3 step drop had a route tree of throws to be made within that allotted time of drop back. That's how timing and chemistry is born. It has to be allowed and enabled though. There was also the intermediate stuff from a 5 step drop with applicable pass routes that fit the amount of time of the drop-back so the release takes place on the 5th step plant and fire. Then the 7th drop with our 2 out of shape Offensive Tackles not getting our of their stances on time wouldn't work anyway with our lazy edges. All that said, the shot gun formations are supposed to improve the QB's vision and peripheral vision of the defense and where he anticipates ideal opportunities for the pre-determined routes and/or the possible route adjustments. It just hasn't helped any timing and chemistry thus far. This stuff is in the film rooms of the rest of our opponents. Even worse, the amount of resources and draft picks given up to acquire Watson are currently preventing us from addressing a major weakness at Left Tackle while our RT just got welcomed to the NFL... Gotta get out of your stance on every play in this league...
The more things change - the more they stay the same here. This FO didn't bring us the Pro Bowl/Playoff bound QB Houston had - they're giving you the version this FO envisioned for success. Today, he's more confused just like our Receivers looked... Working harder under those circumstances is like someone with all the wrong mechanics just playing more golf without ever identifying the problem that needs fixing. We're back to the same "gotta work harder" we heard when this team only won 1 out of 32 games. My advice? Send Paul Depodesta packing today. See if Stefanski and Offensive Coaches can resolve this shit without his major interference. Does Haslam have the balls?
Someone last year, it might have been you or someone else, made a point I haven't forgotten. The point was Paul Depodesta isn't interested in short passes - he wants a vertical game.
Well, what I said was that DePo said that he wasn't interested in 4 yard runs. He wanted 13 yard passes. Which, I guess is relatively vertacle.
Callahan's got his hands full with our Tackles.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Someone last year, it might have been you or someone else, made a point I haven't forgotten. The point was Paul Depodesta isn't interested in short passes - he wants a vertical game.
Well, what I said was that DePo said that he wasn't interested in 4 yard runs. He wanted 13 yard passes. Which, I guess is relatively vertacle.
Callahan's got his hands full with our Tackles.
Well, what I said was that DePo said that he wasn't interested in 4 yard runs. He wanted 13 yard passes. Which, I guess is relatively vertacle.
Callahan's got his hands full with our Tackles.
Ok, that sounds right. Thanks for clarifying that. I think Front Office DePo wants to be another Al Davis without the ideal pass protection on the edges...
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Well, what I said was that DePo said that he wasn't interested in 4 yard runs. He wanted 13 yard passes. Which, I guess is relatively vertacle.
Callahan's got his hands full with our Tackles.
Ok, that sounds right. Thanks for clarifying that. I think Front Office DePo wants to be another Al Davis without the ideal pass protection on the edges...
Ok, that sounds right. Thanks for clarifying that. I think Front Office DePo wants to be another Al Davis without the ideal pass protection on the edges...
The aspirations are fine by me so long as you can adapt to the personnel you have and the circumstances.
This was not a chunk yard type game considering their strengths (Outside pass rushers)and our new RT. The gameplan was get downhill and get after the QB.
Likewise, last year we have wind and ice and we are throwing the ball against the Saints.
And countless times throughout the history of this regime…if I’m in dogfight I don’t want my go to guy being Anthony Schwartz or Harrison Bryant. I’d like to see our playcaller bludgeon another team with our playmakers. -
There are 3 main components to the Browns offense and the lack of production.
1- Pass pro on the edges. Like I said, Jed is playing like one of the worst in the NFL. He positive grade count when I finished his snaps was almost 1:4. It's just not sustainable. Dawand had his struggles against Watt, that was a given. But, just like his time at tOSU, he's struggling with twitch off the edge. Guys like Hubbard, Hendrickson, Clowney, Autry... etc etc. Bigger rushers who try to use power won't work. Jed is the opposite, his ability to anchor against a bull rush is piss poor.
2- Route combinations. It's clear the staff watched the Niners - Steelers game week one. But then they basically constructed a passing plan out of it that is almost like watching a local AC/DC cover band. Sure, the music is pretty simple and fun, but it's easy to fuck up trying to imitate the original. There are a few designs I was showing Flugs that San Fran did. Stacking receivers and running a two man game like hitch/po, dig/pivot, seam/follow. Stuff to attack the cover 4 and cover 2 structures by PIT over the middle of the field. Generally routes that also take a touch less time to develop.
The coaching staff elected to target the perimeter instead. Not that it's a bad idea, it isn't. Cover 4 and cover 3 means you can attack corners that are high and off. Cover 2 means you can target those cloud corners read-throw off them. But the down side to throwing outside is it generally requires more time. That's where you want to refer back to #1 - pass pro. Routes to the outside can't be connected on when the QB is getting pushed off platform. This is where the coaches elected to go - to the outside. And it cost this team quite a bit. Because avoiding the middle for the sake of not wanting traffic means your throws have to be on point to the numbers, down field and beyond.
3 - Throw timing, ball placement in correlation to WR routes. I've used the phrase 'bad math' before. Where a QB starts and keeps their eyes in places they have no business being. If I can offer Browns fans any glimmer of hope about Watson, his football I.Q. doesn't appear diminished. Because he regularly started the pre and post snap read with his eyes in the right places. Even that first play, the pick 6, was the right read and throw per the matchup. The sail to Moore that was broken up - same same. The good math is there, step 1 is looking alright. Now steps 2 and 3 need serious refinement, timing and route chemistry. Even the back shoulder and perimeter throws to Coop, that was the coaches trying to go at the Steelers corners just like Purdy and Auiyuk did.
What they called makes sense, to an extent. But like the saying goes, you have to play the game. We didn't execute the pass pro, ball placement was off and routes weren't crisp.
I've been kicking this around, but I can't help but feel this offense is trying to run before it walks. We're trying to get a bit too fancy in the running game, we're trying to push the ball down field in the passing game with rhythm where we aren't ready from a protection and chemistry point yet.
They can get there, but the growing pains are even worse than I expected. There is still a lot that needs to be done. Sadly, we now have to do it with a bottom 5 LT, losing a good RT, and losing the heart and soul of your offense in Chubb. As the saying goes, 'Smooth seas don't make good sailors'.
I have a busy weekend ahead, but I'll do all I can to try and get more of what I'm saying, breakdown wise, on here tonight and tomorrow.
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Edit might turn this into a betting thread too.
Looking at Airforce -6 and NC State -7.5 tonight.
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Our next first-round pick is 2025. Wills' last year under contract is 2024.
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Ok, that sounds right. Thanks for clarifying that. I think Front Office DePo wants to be another Al Davis without the ideal pass protection on the edges...
The aspirations are fine by me so long as you can adapt to the personnel you have and the circumstances.
This was not a chunk yard type game considering their strengths (Outside pass rushers)and our new RT. The gameplan was get downhill and get after the QB.
Likewise, last year we have wind and ice and we are throwing the ball against the Saints.
And countless times throughout the history of this regime…if I’m in dogfight I don’t want my go to guy being Anthony Schwartz or Harrison Bryant. I’d like to see our playcaller bludgeon another team with our playmakers.The aspirations are fine by me so long as you can adapt to the personnel you have and the circumstances.
Agree 100%. Your current personnel dictates what you can do well. Smashing the square peg into the round hole comes out looking shitty. Don Shula is the example. With Larry Csonka, Jim Kick and Mercury Morris he beat you to death with the run. With Dan Marino, Mark Duper and Mark Clayton he passed you into oblivion.
Likewise, last year we have wind and ice and we are throwing the ball against the Saints.The Saints game pissed me off to no end. Watson threw 3 TD passes that were dropped or slipped on the field and not caught. The Saints figured that they had to stop the run in that kind of weather...and they sold out to do that...and pretty much DID stop us from running them into the ground. The problem was, we STUNK against the run...and we couldn't stop them or their pathetic wild-cat QB.
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