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I liked Baker because we started winning games and even the losses were fun because you were just waiting for him to pull something great off.
However, after he left I didn't miss him because he just wasn't consistent. I don't know if that's his fault or coaches or what, but it just didn't seem like he could get us over the hump.
My problem with Watson is what we paid and gave up for him. If he starts doing good then I hope he becomes worth it. In the meantime, we won a lot of good games with Brisset no one expected. Now that Watson is here we should be winning those games we fell short on, and hopefully the season plays out that way.
The Steeler game was ugly, 1st Chubb gets a gruesome injury then we just can't pull off the win. You would think after dealing with Watt in the past the Browns would have had a better way to deal with him. I refuse to think any player is that unstoppable when you know how good they are and you better prepare for them, at least not allow them to make almost every play lol.
I also hope Watson is not guilty of any of those crimes, that's as far as I'm looking into that.
As far as conversations go, people have a bad habit of painting everyone into a corner and being dicks about it. I'm with Ghoolie on this, he's made several attempts to be entertaining while trying to help everyone cool off. If everyone has to constantly be butt hurt because they think their opinion is the only thing that matters then have at it. I'll try and keep my conversations pointed at people who are talking like people I'd hang out with at the bar. And yes, I remember the old Ghoolie lol, we was entertaining back then as well even if he did become unhinged at times.
You would think after dealing with Watt in the past the Browns would have had a better way to deal with him. I refuse to think any player is that unstoppable when you know how good they are and you better prepare for them, at least not allow them to make almost every play lol.
You bring up a good point.
I remember a couple of years ago in Pittsburgh when Watt was making Hudson our RT his personal bitch.
I believe he sacked BM like 7 or 8 times, and Kev didn’t have an answer for him.
Fast forward to this year, and I saw a couple of times where we actually had a TE trying to block him. ?
You would think that our resident HC masquerading as our OC would have some kind of strategy to minimize Watt’s pass rush.
After Chubb’s departure, they just pinned their ears back and came after DW.
They were prime for some type of screen play, misdirection, draw play….whatever.
But we saw none of that, which is another reason I’m losing faith in Stefanski.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Like TO said many moons ago..."that's my quarterback"
Not sure he can turn this around. His brain isn't processing the reads fast enough. Is that something he can get back?
No, it's not something he can get back. Watson is very much a "see open, throw to open" qb now and doesn't trust his eyes. He doesn't even trust them when he rolls out and has a guy right in front of him for 5 yards, yet continues to hold it.
The other problem I haven't seen mentioned as much is that he's nowhere near as fast as he used to be. He can't escape like a couple years ago and I think it's frustrating him. I believe it's why be had the two facemask penalties...he's frustrated that he can't do what he used to.
So you're now talking about a scared qb who can't throw with anticipation, has the worst deep ball rating in the league, probably fewest td passes from a starter, multiple turnovers, multiple turnovers that were defensive touchdowns, terrible completion percentage, reduced escapability, and now coming apart at the seams by committing the dumbest facemask penalties I've ever seen.
Can he turn it around? Nothing is impossible, but he looks pretty bad to me. And now he has to do it without Chubb, probably forever.
No, it's not something he can get back. Watson is very much a "see open, throw to open" qb now and doesn't trust his eyes. He doesn't even trust them when he rolls out and has a guy right in front of him for 5 yards, yet continues to hold it.
The other problem I haven't seen mentioned as much is that he's nowhere near as fast as he used to be. He can't escape like a couple years ago and I think it's frustrating him. I believe it's why be had the two facemask penalties...he's frustrated that he can't do what he used to.
So you're now talking about a scared qb who can't throw with anticipation, has the worst deep ball rating in the league, probably fewest td passes from a starter, multiple turnovers, multiple turnovers that were defensive touchdowns, terrible completion percentage, reduced escapability, and now coming apart at the seams by committing the dumbest facemask penalties I've ever seen.
Can he turn it around? Nothing is impossible, but he looks pretty bad to me. And now he has to do it without Chubb, probably forever.
I have a hunch the opposition is really giving him a ton of trash talk, can't imagine what that's about lol.
The fan in me is rooting for him, yet the fan in me realizes this might lead to a disaster & another rebuild.
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As far as conversations go, people have a bad habit of painting everyone into a corner and being dicks about it. I'm with Ghoolie on this, he's made several attempts to be entertaining while trying to help everyone cool off. If everyone has to constantly be butt hurt because they think their opinion is the only thing that matters then have at it. I'll try and keep my conversations pointed at people who are talking like people I'd hang out with at the bar. And yes, I remember the old Ghoolie lol, we was entertaining back then as well even if he did become unhinged at times.
You've been on this board since April.
How exactly do you remember "old Ghoolie"?
You've been on this board since April.
How exactly do you remember "old Ghoolie"?
I said this in my welcome post, I lurked here for a very long time. Just never made an account.
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You would think after dealing with Watt in the past the Browns would have had a better way to deal with him. I refuse to think any player is that unstoppable when you know how good they are and you better prepare for them, at least not allow them to make almost every play lol.
You bring up a good point.
I remember a couple of years ago in Pittsburgh when Watt was making Hudson our RT his personal bitch.
I believe he sacked BM like 7 or 8 times, and Kev didn’t have an answer for him.
Fast forward to this year, and I saw a couple of times where we actually had a TE trying to block him. ?
You would think that our resident HC masquerading as our OC would have some kind of strategy to minimize Watt’s pass rush.
After Chubb’s departure, they just pinned their ears back and came after DW.
They were prime for some type of screen play, misdirection, draw play….whatever.
But we saw none of that, which is another reason I’m losing faith in Stefanski.
You bring up a good point.
I remember a couple of years ago in Pittsburgh when Watt was making Hudson our RT his personal bitch.
I believe he sacked BM like 7 or 8 times, and Kev didn’t have an answer for him.
Fast forward to this year, and I saw a couple of times where we actually had a TE trying to block him. ?
You would think that our resident HC masquerading as our OC would have some kind of strategy to minimize Watt’s pass rush.
After Chubb’s departure, they just pinned their ears back and came after DW.
They were prime for some type of screen play, misdirection, draw play….whatever.
But we saw none of that, which is another reason I’m losing faith in Stefanski.
We lost to a bad team Monday.
We had to gameplan for TWO guys. They had one of their best WRs out. They’re best defensive lineman out. They are playing the wrong RB, Waddell is > than Harris. They are weak at the QB spot. They have a DB that was caught by Father Time before this year. I can go on….Not even sour grapes.
We have Kevin Panic Stefanski calling plays. The Steeler way is making you one dimensional and if you make yourself one dimensional makes their job easier.
TJ apparently knew our play on their last TD
I shake my head when I hear fellow Browns fans claim we don’t have talent.
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You bring up a good point.
I remember a couple of years ago in Pittsburgh when Watt was making Hudson our RT his personal bitch.
I believe he sacked BM like 7 or 8 times, and Kev didn’t have an answer for him.
Fast forward to this year, and I saw a couple of times where we actually had a TE trying to block him. ?
You would think that our resident HC masquerading as our OC would have some kind of strategy to minimize Watt’s pass rush.
After Chubb’s departure, they just pinned their ears back and came after DW.
They were prime for some type of screen play, misdirection, draw play….whatever.
But we saw none of that, which is another reason I’m losing faith in Stefanski.
We lost to a bad team Monday.
We had to gameplan for TWO guys. They had one of their best WRs out. They’re best defensive lineman out. They are playing the wrong RB, Waddell is > than Harris. They are weak at the QB spot. They have a DB that was caught by Father Time before this year. I can go on….Not even sour grapes.
We have Kevin Panic Stefanski calling plays. The Steeler way is making you one dimensional and if you make yourself one dimensional makes their job easier.
TJ apparently knew our play on their last TD
I shake my head when I hear fellow Browns fans claim we don’t have talent.
We lost to a bad team Monday.
We had to gameplan for TWO guys. They had one of their best WRs out. They’re best defensive lineman out. They are playing the wrong RB, Waddell is > than Harris. They are weak at the QB spot. They have a DB that was caught by Father Time before this year. I can go on….Not even sour grapes.
We have Kevin Panic Stefanski calling plays. The Steeler way is making you one dimensional and if you make yourself one dimensional makes their job easier.
TJ apparently knew our play on their last TD
I shake my head when I hear fellow Browns fans claim we don’t have talent.
Yep, we lost to a team with an offense that’s worse than the Browns.
That’s quite an accomplishment.
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You would think after dealing with Watt in the past the Browns would have had a better way to deal with him. I refuse to think any player is that unstoppable when you know how good they are and you better prepare for them, at least not allow them to make almost every play lol.
You bring up a good point.
I remember a couple of years ago in Pittsburgh when Watt was making Hudson our RT his personal bitch.
I believe he sacked BM like 7 or 8 times, and Kev didn’t have an answer for him.
Fast forward to this year, and I saw a couple of times where we actually had a TE trying to block him. ?
You would think that our resident HC masquerading as our OC would have some kind of strategy to minimize Watt’s pass rush.
After Chubb’s departure, they just pinned their ears back and came after DW.
They were prime for some type of screen play, misdirection, draw play….whatever.
But we saw none of that, which is another reason I’m losing faith in Stefanski.
You bring up a good point.
I remember a couple of years ago in Pittsburgh when Watt was making Hudson our RT his personal bitch.
I believe he sacked BM like 7 or 8 times, and Kev didn’t have an answer for him.
Fast forward to this year, and I saw a couple of times where we actually had a TE trying to block him. ?
You would think that our resident HC masquerading as our OC would have some kind of strategy to minimize Watt’s pass rush.
After Chubb’s departure, they just pinned their ears back and came after DW.
They were prime for some type of screen play, misdirection, draw play….whatever.
But we saw none of that, which is another reason I’m losing faith in Stefanski.
What a game plan! That game was a train wreck on offense! I feel bad for our defense!
Our 2 Offensive Tackles played Olay all night. Did anyone watch the sum of that begin with Alex Highsmith's strip sack of Watson (after Wills whiffed at the line of scrimmage) which sent to ball right to TJ Watt without breaking stride. NEITHER of our Tackles slowed either guy nor did they give an impressive attempt to do so.
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Just to give the Watson hatahs more ammunition, this article came up in my news feed this morning. It's not pretty...
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You bring up a good point.
I remember a couple of years ago in Pittsburgh when Watt was making Hudson our RT his personal bitch.
I believe he sacked BM like 7 or 8 times, and Kev didn’t have an answer for him.
Fast forward to this year, and I saw a couple of times where we actually had a TE trying to block him. ?
You would think that our resident HC masquerading as our OC would have some kind of strategy to minimize Watt’s pass rush.
After Chubb’s departure, they just pinned their ears back and came after DW.
They were prime for some type of screen play, misdirection, draw play….whatever.
But we saw none of that, which is another reason I’m losing faith in Stefanski.
What a game plan! That game was a train wreck on offense! I feel bad for our defense!
Our 2 Offensive Tackles played Olay all night. Did anyone watch the sum of that begin with Alex Highsmith's strip sack of Watson (after Wills whiffed at the line of scrimmage) which sent to ball right to TJ Watt without breaking stride. NEITHER of our Tackles slowed either guy nor did they give an impressive attempt to do so.
What a game plan! That game was a train wreck on offense! I feel bad for our defense!
Our 2 Offensive Tackles played Olay all night. Did anyone watch the sum of that begin with Alex Highsmith's strip sack of Watson (after Wills whiffed at the line of scrimmage) which sent to ball right to TJ Watt without breaking stride. NEITHER of our Tackles slowed either guy nor did they give an impressive attempt to do so.
I thought Ghoolie said a while back you can get those big fat guys for nothing and do just fine. Who knew they were doubling as bull fighters??
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What a game plan! That game was a train wreck on offense! I feel bad for our defense!
Our 2 Offensive Tackles played Olay all night. Did anyone watch the sum of that begin with Alex Highsmith's strip sack of Watson (after Wills whiffed at the line of scrimmage) which sent to ball right to TJ Watt without breaking stride. NEITHER of our Tackles slowed either guy nor did they give an impressive attempt to do so.
I thought Ghoolie said a while back you can get those big fat guys for nothing and do just fine. Who knew they were doubling as bull fighters??
I thought Ghoolie said a while back you can get those big fat guys for nothing and do just fine. Who knew they were doubling as bull fighters??
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Like TO said many moons ago..."that's my quarterback"
Not sure he can turn this around. His brain isn't processing the reads fast enough. Is that something he can get back?
No, it's not something he can get back. Watson is very much a "see open, throw to open" qb now and doesn't trust his eyes. He doesn't even trust them when he rolls out and has a guy right in front of him for 5 yards, yet continues to hold it.
The other problem I haven't seen mentioned as much is that he's nowhere near as fast as he used to be. He can't escape like a couple years ago and I think it's frustrating him. I believe it's why be had the two facemask penalties...he's frustrated that he can't do what he used to.
So you're now talking about a scared qb who can't throw with anticipation, has the worst deep ball rating in the league, probably fewest td passes from a starter, multiple turnovers, multiple turnovers that were defensive touchdowns, terrible completion percentage, reduced escapability, and now coming apart at the seams by committing the dumbest facemask penalties I've ever seen.
Can he turn it around? Nothing is impossible, but he looks pretty bad to me. And now he has to do it without Chubb, probably forever.
No, it's not something he can get back. Watson is very much a "see open, throw to open" qb now and doesn't trust his eyes. He doesn't even trust them when he rolls out and has a guy right in front of him for 5 yards, yet continues to hold it.
The other problem I haven't seen mentioned as much is that he's nowhere near as fast as he used to be. He can't escape like a couple years ago and I think it's frustrating him. I believe it's why be had the two facemask penalties...he's frustrated that he can't do what he used to.
So you're now talking about a scared qb who can't throw with anticipation, has the worst deep ball rating in the league, probably fewest td passes from a starter, multiple turnovers, multiple turnovers that were defensive touchdowns, terrible completion percentage, reduced escapability, and now coming apart at the seams by committing the dumbest facemask penalties I've ever seen.
Can he turn it around? Nothing is impossible, but he looks pretty bad to me. And now he has to do it without Chubb, probably forever.
Well the $230 million dollar question is WHY Watson is currently playing like Brandon Weedon on a bad day. His stats to date don't lie, and they're abysmal. He's not hurt. You can't blame two seasons of rust or an injury anymore.
Mental? Lack of confidence? Trying too hard?
Well, we had better start seeing drastic improvement soon, or my 9-8 prediction for the Browns this season is looking pretty good.
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No, it's not something he can get back. Watson is very much a "see open, throw to open" qb now and doesn't trust his eyes. He doesn't even trust them when he rolls out and has a guy right in front of him for 5 yards, yet continues to hold it.
The other problem I haven't seen mentioned as much is that he's nowhere near as fast as he used to be. He can't escape like a couple years ago and I think it's frustrating him. I believe it's why be had the two facemask penalties...he's frustrated that he can't do what he used to.
So you're now talking about a scared qb who can't throw with anticipation, has the worst deep ball rating in the league, probably fewest td passes from a starter, multiple turnovers, multiple turnovers that were defensive touchdowns, terrible completion percentage, reduced escapability, and now coming apart at the seams by committing the dumbest facemask penalties I've ever seen.
Can he turn it around? Nothing is impossible, but he looks pretty bad to me. And now he has to do it without Chubb, probably forever.
Well the $230 million dollar question is WHY Watson is currently playing like Brandon Weedon on a bad day. His stats to date don't lie, and they're abysmal. He's not hurt. You can't blame two seasons of rust or an injury anymore.
Mental? Lack of confidence? Trying too hard?
Well, we had better start seeing drastic improvement soon, or my 9-8 prediction for the Browns this season is looking pretty good.
His stats to date don't lie, and they're abysmal. He's not hurt. You can't blame two seasons of rust or an injury anymore.
Mental? Lack of confidence? Trying too hard?
Could you image how bad this offense would have looked if Amari Cooper had not played thru his groin injury Monday? (Yikes)
Coop is now on this weeks injury report also, with a shoulder issue
Why would a struggling offensive head coach/play-caller, continue to give Vet's a day off after that BS performance?
Njoku don't need to practice with Watson after that ?show? Titans/ at Ravens...than Week 4 Bye week ?
ya may want to add poor coaching decisions ?
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No, it's not something he can get back. Watson is very much a "see open, throw to open" qb now and doesn't trust his eyes. He doesn't even trust them when he rolls out and has a guy right in front of him for 5 yards, yet continues to hold it.
The other problem I haven't seen mentioned as much is that he's nowhere near as fast as he used to be. He can't escape like a couple years ago and I think it's frustrating him. I believe it's why be had the two facemask penalties...he's frustrated that he can't do what he used to.
So you're now talking about a scared qb who can't throw with anticipation, has the worst deep ball rating in the league, probably fewest td passes from a starter, multiple turnovers, multiple turnovers that were defensive touchdowns, terrible completion percentage, reduced escapability, and now coming apart at the seams by committing the dumbest facemask penalties I've ever seen.
Can he turn it around? Nothing is impossible, but he looks pretty bad to me. And now he has to do it without Chubb, probably forever.
Well the $230 million dollar question is WHY Watson is currently playing like Brandon Weedon on a bad day. His stats to date don't lie, and they're abysmal. He's not hurt. You can't blame two seasons of rust or an injury anymore.
Mental? Lack of confidence? Trying too hard?
Well, we had better start seeing drastic improvement soon, or my 9-8 prediction for the Browns this season is looking pretty good.
Well the $230 million dollar question is WHY Watson is currently playing like Brandon Weedon on a bad day. His stats to date don't lie, and they're abysmal. He's not hurt. You can't blame two seasons of rust or an injury anymore.
Mental? Lack of confidence? Trying too hard?
Well, we had better start seeing drastic improvement soon, or my 9-8 prediction for the Browns this season is looking pretty good.
I said 7-10/8-9
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Watson was a .500 quarterback when he came back last year, he's a .500 qb now. It's not great but he's not the worst by far. I stand by what I said, it's not time to panic yet, he still has time to turn it around. We just lost a major piece guys, the whole team is going to feel that not just Watson. It's going to take some time to try to replace that production. As far as the "230 million dollar joke", the Browns did not have to give him that kind of money.
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Watson was a .500 quarterback when he came back last year, he's a .500 qb now. It's not great but he's not the worst by far. I stand by what I said, it's not time to panic yet, he still has time to turn it around. We just lost a major piece guys, the whole team is going to feel that not just Watson. It's going to take some time to try to replace that production. As far as the "230 million dollar joke", the Browns did not have to give him that kind of money.
Watson was a .500 quarterback when he came back last year, he's a .500 qb now. It's not great but he's not the worst by far. I stand by what I said, it's not time to panic yet, he still has time to turn it around. We just lost a major piece guys, the whole team is going to feel that not just Watson. It's going to take some time to try to replace that production. As far as the "230 million dollar joke", the Browns did not have to give him that kind of money.
Worst? Well I was pretty shocked that NFL.com had Watson ranked as high as #28 of starting QBs. Personally, I have him at #31, ahead of only Zack Wilson he of 310 yards passing, 2 TDs 4 interceptions, and a stellar QBR of 53.
Maybe the Browns should have taken the stock market disclaimer to heart- "Past performance is no guarantee of future results".
& If we hadn't given Watson that stupid deal, some other team would have. Berry swung for the fences with Deshaun. Should he continue to stink, he's as good as gone, and Kev along with him.
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Watson was a .500 quarterback when he came back last year, he's a .500 qb now. It's not great but he's not the worst by far. I stand by what I said, it's not time to panic yet, he still has time to turn it around. We just lost a major piece guys, the whole team is going to feel that not just Watson. It's going to take some time to try to replace that production. As far as the "230 million dollar joke", the Browns did not have to give him that kind of money.
Worst? Well I was pretty shocked that NFL.com had Watson ranked as high as #28 of starting QBs. Personally, I have him at #31, ahead of only Zack Wilson he of 310 yards passing, 2 TDs 4 interceptions, and a stellar QBR of 53.
Maybe the Browns should have taken the stock market disclaimer to heart- "Past performance is no guarantee of future results".
& If we hadn't given Watson that stupid deal, some other team would have. Berry swung for the fences with Deshaun. Should he continue to stink, he's as good as gone, and Kev along with him.
Worst? Well I was pretty shocked that NFL.com had Watson ranked as high as #28 of starting QBs. Personally, I have him at #31, ahead of only Zack Wilson he of 310 yards passing, 2 TDs 4 interceptions, and a stellar QBR of 53.
Maybe the Browns should have taken the stock market disclaimer to heart- "Past performance is no guarantee of future results".
& If we hadn't given Watson that stupid deal, some other team would have. Berry swung for the fences with Deshaun. Should he continue to stink, he's as good as gone, and Kev along with him.
Depudpuller should be the first to go...
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Watson was a .500 quarterback when he came back last year, he's a .500 qb now. It's not great but he's not the worst by far. I stand by what I said, it's not time to panic yet, he still has time to turn it around. We just lost a major piece guys, the whole team is going to feel that not just Watson. It's going to take some time to try to replace that production. As far as the "230 million dollar joke", the Browns did not have to give him that kind of money.
Worst? Well I was pretty shocked that NFL.com had Watson ranked as high as #28 of starting QBs. Personally, I have him at #31, ahead of only Zack Wilson he of 310 yards passing, 2 TDs 4 interceptions, and a stellar QBR of 53.
Maybe the Browns should have taken the stock market disclaimer to heart- "Past performance is no guarantee of future results".
& If we hadn't given Watson that stupid deal, some other team would have. Berry swung for the fences with Deshaun. Should he continue to stink, he's as good as gone, and Kev along with him.
Berry swung for the fences with Deshaun.
Again, not Watson's fault. He now has to live up to that contract without our biggest offensive weapon. Does Watson need to improve? Of couse he does. I'm getting so tired of this same old song and dance. It's funny that a majority of people aren't willing to give Watson the same leash as some of the other qb's in the Browns past. For once it would be nice if certain members of the fan base didn't lose their shit as soon as the slightest hint the qb may be struggling.
Soon as Watson throws an incomplete pass in the next game people will be chanting for DTR. Then DTR will come in, get hurt, then we're shit out of luck and fans calling for everyone to be fired and blow the whole thing up. It's the same fucking shit every year.
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